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Cleveland's Running Back Situation... Who's Next? (1 Viewer)
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TartanLion
Footballguy
I think I’ll go with Christine Michael although expect Robert Turbin to get mixed in as well
zamboni
Footballguy
Ford looked plenty good last night, but I'd be surprised if he wasn't going to considerably share the backfield with someone else TBD. This is a team that's predicated on the run, and by the looks of things, putting it in Watson's hands is not going to work well. Asking Ford to take on Chubb's role is probably unrealistic - it might not be great for fantasy, but good for the team to not overwork him. Whether that means Strong becomes a big part of an RBBC, a trade for Taylor, or someone else brought in remains to be seen.
zamboni
Footballguy
This could have some legs with the Rams clearly wanting to move on. Plus, they'd be trading him to the other conference.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I hate to say it this way but Cleveland unfortunately has to come to the realization that Chubb's career might be over, certainly not competing at the same level
How long do you want to be in pain as an organization with this?
I can see Cleveland making a move for Taylor and saying nice things about Chubb rehabbing and they will have a fierce 2-Back system but the reality is unless they make a move for Taylor or Jacobs or someone, then you push off to the '24 Draft or next off season, they already played a bunch of meaningless games last year without Watson and now 2023 ha taken a major hit.
-Sitting around and signing a vet, watching the season slowly deteriorate or they can make a bold move and continue to push in 2023 instead of "building" for next year. And it's so early in the season to just line up and go thru the motions for 15 more weeks.
How long do you want to be in pain as an organization with this?
I can see Cleveland making a move for Taylor and saying nice things about Chubb rehabbing and they will have a fierce 2-Back system but the reality is unless they make a move for Taylor or Jacobs or someone, then you push off to the '24 Draft or next off season, they already played a bunch of meaningless games last year without Watson and now 2023 ha taken a major hit.
-Sitting around and signing a vet, watching the season slowly deteriorate or they can make a bold move and continue to push in 2023 instead of "building" for next year. And it's so early in the season to just line up and go thru the motions for 15 more weeks.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Ford put up pretty strong numbers vs the Steelers last night.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
D'Ernest Johnson is in JAX.
Unless you are thinking that they might trade a 7th rounder or something for him.
Unless you are thinking that they might trade a 7th rounder or something for him.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I'm bidding $200 on Bryce Brown
zamboni
Footballguy
They could - also have Hasty as depth in JAX
Utter Chaos
Footballguy
They have plenty of cap space this year. Not sure about the future. Fournette and Hunt would be the cheapest to acquire. They'd have to trade to get Akers or JT and their teams will probably ask for too much.
Deamon
Footballguy
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I think Akers could be had for a 6th
Deamon
Footballguy
From another thread, but appropriate here.
Interesting, it sounds like they may bring two guys in. But does this mean they run with 4 on their squad or could Strong be gone?
I did not get the sense that's what Stefanski meant when he said you can't replace Chubb with just one person. My interpretation was that he was just saying there is not someone who will just simply replace his production.
But saying that it would not surprise me because even with Chubb was healthy I was surprised how lean they went after Ford, who himself was unknown. I think some of that had to do with wanting to use Moore out of the backfield a decent amount.
I got one out of left field.
Dalvin Cook.
Jets end of things: a lot changed since they signed Dalvin. Obviously losing Rodgers was the massive impact and I can see where that would lead people to think they need to use Dalvin more but let's put that aside for a second. When they signed Dalvin, Breece had not yet returned. They don't want to overwork Breece but he's shown he's back to some degree and is already chirping at not getting the ball enough so any value they put on Dalvin as a hedge against Breece making it back would be less. Abanakanda kind of came on after the Dalvin signing. Then we got the money. The way Dalvin's contract is structured his base is just over $1m and he gets per game roster bonus up to $347k. Short version is he cost the Jets about $410K a week to keep him, if they found someone to take him they'd save potentially $6m. At this point I think getting Izzy more work over Dalvin might be a bonus as well. For Dalvin the money is ultimately why he came to the Jets but I'm sure playing with Rodgers was a big part of it. Now no Rodgers, and the healthier Breece gets his role is just going to get smaller so I don't think he'd mind a deal all that much.
Browns end of things: the money owed to Dalvin is a major negative but Stefanski is very familar with him as he served as QB coach and OC the first 3 years of Dalvin's career. The comp would be next to nothing, just the money he's owed and if they don't like what he gives them most of his contract is week to week.
Dalvin Cook.
Jets end of things: a lot changed since they signed Dalvin. Obviously losing Rodgers was the massive impact and I can see where that would lead people to think they need to use Dalvin more but let's put that aside for a second. When they signed Dalvin, Breece had not yet returned. They don't want to overwork Breece but he's shown he's back to some degree and is already chirping at not getting the ball enough so any value they put on Dalvin as a hedge against Breece making it back would be less. Abanakanda kind of came on after the Dalvin signing. Then we got the money. The way Dalvin's contract is structured his base is just over $1m and he gets per game roster bonus up to $347k. Short version is he cost the Jets about $410K a week to keep him, if they found someone to take him they'd save potentially $6m. At this point I think getting Izzy more work over Dalvin might be a bonus as well. For Dalvin the money is ultimately why he came to the Jets but I'm sure playing with Rodgers was a big part of it. Now no Rodgers, and the healthier Breece gets his role is just going to get smaller so I don't think he'd mind a deal all that much.
Browns end of things: the money owed to Dalvin is a major negative but Stefanski is very familar with him as he served as QB coach and OC the first 3 years of Dalvin's career. The comp would be next to nothing, just the money he's owed and if they don't like what he gives them most of his contract is week to week.
Deamon
Footballguy
Damn thats bold. That would be crazy, but it actually kinda makes sense.
Gotta wonder though if they'd rather Akers who would be basically free, or hunt who knows the system and would be fully free.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
My ignorant guess is that Ford will be the lead back for a week or two while another player (or two) are signed. If that’s a big signing like JTaylor, it’s essentially over for Ford as the lead back sooner rather than later.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I understand the logic behind Hunt but he wasn't exactly amazing his first time thru Cleveland.
I'm sure they would utilize him but more in a 60/40 type thing with Ford, after MNF game it looks like Ford will easily be the starter moving forward.
I don't see Hunt coming in and taking 15-20 touches a week
That would be a reason they likely don't want to overpay him, even if Ford were to miss time I don't think they would overload Hunt
I'm sure they would utilize him but more in a 60/40 type thing with Ford, after MNF game it looks like Ford will easily be the starter moving forward.
I don't see Hunt coming in and taking 15-20 touches a week
That would be a reason they likely don't want to overpay him, even if Ford were to miss time I don't think they would overload Hunt
Chaka
Footballguy
Agreed but I would modify to Ford looks like the clear starter this week. I think he will be given the opportunity to seize the job but a string of ineffectiveness will leave the door open to other options.
Cleveland.com’s Mary Kay Cabot reports the Browns are “close” to signing RB Kareem Hunt.
The deal, according to Cabot, is expected to get done on Wednesday. Hunt visited with his former team on Tuesday, a day after Nick Chubb went down with a season-ending knee injury against the Steelers. That the Browns let Hunt walk this offseason and rolled with Jerome Ford as the team’s RB2 likely means Ford will function as the lead back with Chubb sidelined. Hunt could eventually cut into Ford’s pass-game involvement, limiting Ford’s fantasy ceiling.
The deal, according to Cabot, is expected to get done on Wednesday. Hunt visited with his former team on Tuesday, a day after Nick Chubb went down with a season-ending knee injury against the Steelers. That the Browns let Hunt walk this offseason and rolled with Jerome Ford as the team’s RB2 likely means Ford will function as the lead back with Chubb sidelined. Hunt could eventually cut into Ford’s pass-game involvement, limiting Ford’s fantasy ceiling.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Yeah - My guess is Hunt is goes back to role similar to what he had last year.
Well just read it's a done deal. In the article the following was written:
""On first glance, Ford put together a very nice night, rushing 16 times for 106 yards. But one carry accounted for 69 of those yards, meaning his average per rush on the other 15 attempts came in at 2.5 yards.
That's not how the Browns intend to run the football, Chubb or no Chubb. It became clear they wouldn't be able to proceed with the just likes of Ford and the recently acquired Pierre Strong, especially with the continued struggles of quarterback Deshaun Watson weighing down their offense. Knowing Hunt was available and still living in the area, Cleveland made one of the most predictable phone calls in recent memory, and in less than 24 hours, bygones were bygones between Hunt and his hometown team.
He might not take lead back snaps on a short week against the Titans, Stefanski told reporters on Tuesday that Ford was the new lead back, but Hunt likely will be expected to carry a larger share of the load than he ever did while sharing the backfield with Chubb. We'll see if he's up to the task.""
""On first glance, Ford put together a very nice night, rushing 16 times for 106 yards. But one carry accounted for 69 of those yards, meaning his average per rush on the other 15 attempts came in at 2.5 yards.
That's not how the Browns intend to run the football, Chubb or no Chubb. It became clear they wouldn't be able to proceed with the just likes of Ford and the recently acquired Pierre Strong, especially with the continued struggles of quarterback Deshaun Watson weighing down their offense. Knowing Hunt was available and still living in the area, Cleveland made one of the most predictable phone calls in recent memory, and in less than 24 hours, bygones were bygones between Hunt and his hometown team.
He might not take lead back snaps on a short week against the Titans, Stefanski told reporters on Tuesday that Ford was the new lead back, but Hunt likely will be expected to carry a larger share of the load than he ever did while sharing the backfield with Chubb. We'll see if he's up to the task.""
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
Going from a FA to a 15-20 touch running back in the span of half a week seems optimistic.
Chaka
Footballguy
nirad3
Footballguy
Maybe I don't fully understand the money complexities, but does CLE really burn $4MM on a guy they're not going to use a lot? Yes, Ford looked good but Hunt might still have some tread on the tires even if he looked pretty shot last year.
I grabbed Hunt (spent $27 out of $100 allotment) in a 16-teamer where I was RB-starved thanks to Akers. Hoping for the best here.
I grabbed Hunt (spent $27 out of $100 allotment) in a 16-teamer where I was RB-starved thanks to Akers. Hoping for the best here.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
X Spurt speculation
Couple of smart guys think it’s $2.5M base, $1.5M incentives. Are they saying nothing upfront (& we know it won’t be GTD, only 112 out of 2K NFL players have guaranteed deals.)
Anyway, details won’t come out for a few days (typically.)
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Anyway…
I was the only one who put in a claim. Don’t need him rn (& who would start him or Ford v that TEN front?), will hold a few weeks until the byes to see how it shakes out. HC said he’s not the lead back so low expectations but minimal investment so NBD.
I was the only one who put in a claim. Don’t need him rn (& who would start him or Ford v that TEN front?), will hold a few weeks until the byes to see how it shakes out. HC said he’s not the lead back so low expectations but minimal investment so NBD.
nirad3
Footballguy
I misheard on SiriusXM this morning. I could have sworn they just said "$4MM" and not "up to...".
Deamon
Footballguy
that is a good point chaka
Van Dyman
Footballguy
Monitor the Titans injury report. This week's first practice report adds new injuries to three important DL players - Denico Autry, Harold Landry, and Teair Tart. It might not end up being as negative a matchup as you would normally think.
Chaka
Footballguy
I appreciate the can-do attitude but as long as Simmons is in the middle it's a problem. Maybe a lesser one but still would rather face the Raiders by a good margin.
