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The "team" comment was in response to a previous comment.
He has absolutely no experience from which to draw to make any sort of conclusion on what is best for this country as a whole. Why in the world would anyone want what he feels is in the best interests of the USA? He has also surrounded himself with virtually no one that meets any sort of experience criteria in his cabinet. He's shooting off the cuff and shaping policy based on the Bannons and Stephen Millers of the world. Who cares if his intentions are possibly good when he has no business making those decisions and never did.
Yep. I’m stupid. By the way...what happened to the “Day of Rage” that you lefties were clutching your pearls over? They don’t dare cross Trump.
I highly disagree that he is trying to do what is best for the country as a whole. I think he is tryouts ngbto do what is best for his pocketbook and that ofnhis Rich donors and the niche of his base and little
Can you give me an example of a time people were wrongly critical of Trump and you corrected them and were met with nothing but attacks?
They don’t dare cross Trump? Wat?
Throughout my life, I've found that folks who repeatedly fail to articulate something despite being given repeated opportunities, often are those who don't understand what it is they're trying to explain. Trump is a perfect example of this. He is given a pass by his supporters at sucking at communication, but he doesn't suck at all communication. He's really good at being petty, at insulting folks, at bragging on himself, at talking up his business. He's good at talking about how much money he has. But get him talking about almost anything else, and he stumbles or falls...anyone else in your life who does this, you'd conclude they don't know what they're talking about. With Trump...he's given the benefit of the doubt that he actually knows...he just can't articulate it. Ok...blind faith in that, just like religion, can't really argue despite it being about as silly as believing Joseph Smith was given the golden tablets by an angel in the woods and translated them himself despite being illiterate and then couldn't show them to anyone else except a single person. People believe that too...with about similar logic behind it.
But that was MY point, in the post to which you angrily replied. I was pointing out the difference between Trump threads and other politics threads, which IMO is that in other threads people defend a person or party or position using facts and logical arguments. That almost never happens in a Trump threads. In fact I’d venture a guess that I actually do that more than anyone (did it the other day on the national monuments), which should tell you something.
Angrily? No one bit. I wasn't even disagree ing with your point. I was just pointing out it had nothing to do with what I was saying, which is their is a lot of over-generalizing attacks on entire groups in the Trump threads which i think is wrong.
Trump defenses typically require a lot of faith: guessing at what he really meant, or faith that he has a master plan that we just don't know about, trust that he's hiring the right folks, belief that he's not lying to us and the entire rest of the agencies are against him...
California? Are you kidding? California has the highest poverty rate in the country. It is tied for 41st in unemployment rate at 4.9% (just below Louisiana at 4.8%) They spend the most money on their school system by far and are ranked in the bottom 10 worst schools in the country. According to their own Governor the state is projected to be $1.6 billion deficit next year.
I suggested that Democrats claim to be the party of minorities but at the end of the day, once they've got the votes, they do little for that constituency. Look at one of the Dems shining stars, Maxine Waters. She's been representing South-Central Los Angeles, continuously since 1977. This is a predominantly Black and Hispanic area of the city. Their poverty rate is over 35% with a median household income of $31,000. High School Graduation rate is 51% (US rate is over 87%). What the #### has she done for these people over the last 40+ years?
WTF do you get that? Lots of tools who have to make it personal. It is impossible to have a decent conversation.
I don't find it impossible. Maybe it's just you.
I am calling it as it is. If Trump haters were as honest as they claim, they would call out the tools too.
Hold on, what echo chamber? I'm addressing you. Is there a whole echo chamber against you here?
I've lost count of how many times he's suggested that. The idea that dozens of people could independently come to the same conclusion about the relative strength of his arguments seems inconceivable to him.
Why shouldn't people want less taxes and smaller government?
Exactly. Joe told everyone to tone it down yesterday or he would shut down the forums. These guys are worse today than ever before. I think they want the forum shut down.
Maybe when they get personal they are just calling it as it is.
In what way? What have “these guys” done that was against what Joe has warned?
California's poverty rate isn't the highest in the country.
The US already has many elements of socialism, and we're just fine.
The echo chamber is rapid anti-trump. The only thing you addressing me is that if I don't like it, get out. Real cool.
You wouldn't know by looking in these political forums. If we're just fine, I'd say capitalism is working. Or are you suggesting that we are just fine because of the socialist elements we have. How exactly are we just fine and why are we just fine?
It's a figure of speech meant to indicate that the sky isn't falling as it relates to socialism because socialist elements already exist in the system and the sky hasn't fallen.
You are correct on the poverty rate-my bad. California is 35th. What about everything else I wrote?
Where is the binary line he is drawing up here? On this forum alone, I see less Trump supporters (outside of the Trump trolls like RBM, Bozeman, and Opie aren't an echo chamber, but vapid dogwhistles who just are here to poke bears) than I do actual Republicans, Independents, and Democrats. The old "Liberals vs. Conservatives" doesn't even apply here anymore, and that argument was a bogus argument anyway, even more so now because of Trump, who doesn't have any core ideology other than how much money he can steal.
Republicans win elections by Gerrymandering minorities out of their districts and by suppressing voter turnout of minorities. It's basically codified in the party strategy manual that this is how they win elections. Democrats don't have the same playbook. They want more minorities in their districts and more minorities voting. That alone should tell you the story.
I don't know what to tell you. You point to California as a representation of democratic policies that help minorities, I Point to statistics that show the exact opposite and you don't want to get into statistics.
I don't know which "next year" you're talking about. Back in January Brown was suggesting there could be a $1.6 billion deficit for 2017/2018. Then, in July they passed the budget. See if you can find the deficit. This is the first time CA has had a deficit since 2012.
We can go back and forth on California all day long and cite statistics showing great things and bad things. If you want to focus on a district with Compton in it and say that exemplifies California, it's going to be a silly debate throwing statistics back and forth.
I have... it finding a single one that has violated Joe’s request.
I don't know what data you are looking at, but in terms of per student spending, California is middle to bottom the pack in the U.S. (spends less than most states). The amount has increased over the last 5 years and CA has come up in those rankings. But CA is nowhere near the top in terms of money per student.
I can find the current year data for these metrics, but I'm having trouble finding them for 1977. Anyone know where to get that?
Yeah I don't want to get into the weeds on California. It goes to a larger point that democrat run areas, while claiming to want to help minorities, actually don't.
It tells me that dems know where their bread is buttered when it comes to votes. That's all. And I absolutely say that dems daily call much of the republican policies racist. You are making it sound like republicans do not want to represent minorities. That's not true in any sense.
Those entitlements, affirmative action, welfare are the policies I'm referring to. They've decimated the black population in this country-especially in large cities like philadelphia.
