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Coach of the year? (1 Viewer)
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Sweet Feet
Footballguy
thought about this the other day.. Bruce Arians did a hell of a job 
snogger
Footballguy
Very
You don't hear much about him since the "real" coach was out fighting cancer. He did a hell of a job filling in. 
Co-Coaches of the year?? 
ctrlaltdefeat
Footballguy
His use of harvin is very questionable though. Other than that, he's an okay candidate but a long shot.Purple glasses on
Fraiser took a 3-13 team, with at best an Average QB, to 10-6 and the playoffs.
ctrlaltdefeat
Footballguy
Pete Carroll is doing a great job and deserves credit for going with wilson over the big money free agent Flynn they signed.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
35 new players on the Indy roster this year.
Thirty-Five
Somebody in that town deserves CotY.
Thirty-Five
Somebody in that town deserves CotY.
ThePittbully
Footballguy
For me it would be Arians or Carroll
Typically CotY goes to the coach whose team outperformed expectations the most. By that criteria, these should be the candidates:
Pete Carroll (4 games over his team's o/u projection)
John Fox (4 games over his o/u)
Arians (6 games over)
Smith (4 games over)
Frazier (4.5 games over)
It's essentially a lock to go to Arians based on that criteria. Personally, I hate that criteria- voting on the guy who exceeded expectations the most is how we wind up with such massive embarrassments as Haslett and Jauron winning CotY. Seriously, if you're in a fraternity with Jim Haslett and **** Jauron, just how meaningful do you feel that fraternity really is. I'd much rather see voters reward truly dominant teams, rather than penalizing them for the fact that people recognized before the season that they might actually be pretty good. I like Fox, Belichick, Harbaugh, or Carroll for the award for that reason- those are the four best teams in the league right now, so their coaches must have done the best job.
Pete Carroll (4 games over his team's o/u projection)
John Fox (4 games over his o/u)
Arians (6 games over)
Smith (4 games over)
Frazier (4.5 games over)
It's essentially a lock to go to Arians based on that criteria. Personally, I hate that criteria- voting on the guy who exceeded expectations the most is how we wind up with such massive embarrassments as Haslett and Jauron winning CotY. Seriously, if you're in a fraternity with Jim Haslett and **** Jauron, just how meaningful do you feel that fraternity really is. I'd much rather see voters reward truly dominant teams, rather than penalizing them for the fact that people recognized before the season that they might actually be pretty good. I like Fox, Belichick, Harbaugh, or Carroll for the award for that reason- those are the four best teams in the league right now, so their coaches must have done the best job.
Sweet Feet
Footballguy
just think... Arians was let go in Pittsburgh and now essentially has the Colts in the playoffs
Abraham
Footballguy
Would be an excellent choice in Cleveland.just think... Arians was let go in Pittsburgh and now essentially has the Colts in the playoffs
Sweet Feet
Footballguy
Not very familiar with Arians in terms of his family and what he wants to do.. meaning is he comfortable just being an OC or does he want the top spot? He's been in the league off and on since 89 so Im not sure what to thinkCleveland would make sense if any since the new owner was in the Steelers ownership circle right?Would be an excellent choice in Cleveland.just think... Arians was let go in Pittsburgh and now essentially has the Colts in the playoffs
RaiderBones
Footballguy
This
mad sweeney
Footballguy
And 4 -1 -1 in the division.
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Tied an NFL record with 7 wins in games where he was an underdog. He had a 7-6-1 record in games where his team was the underdog. That's not 7-6-1 against the spread, that's 7-6-1 straight up. Best season ever by a team that was an underdog in nearly every game they played.
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
Since 1970, only 4 teams have been 3-6 and closed it out like the Redskins this year to make the playoffs. I dont think Shanahan will win it but he certainly has done an amazing job with a seriously depleted defense, a rookie QB and a rookie RB, and a not very upgraded receiving corps that lost Fred Davis for most of the year and Garcon for half of it.
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You can't give him credit for closing 7-0 without also giving him credit for starting 3-6. Shanahan did a great job getting rg3 ready for the pro game (just like some of us were saying all offseason that he would
), but he wouldn't make my top 5. I'd probably have him 8th on my ballot.
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
I hear you and he wont win it. But his staff did an amazing job and now has the number one rushing attack in the NFL. I am a Redskins homer, but he makes my top 5 along with Arians and Carroll and a couple others. I dont rank Fox as high because I think Peyton is essentially the OC in Denver. If anything, give it to Elway for bringing Peyton in and matching him up with that defense.You can't give him credit for closing 7-0 without also giving him credit for starting 3-6. Shanahan did a great job getting rg3 ready for the pro game (just like some of us were saying all offseason that he would
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
Not sure I'd put Frazier in there. Without an unprecedented and near historical year from AP, they're golfing with the Lions right now.'fatness said:
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
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fatness
Footballguy
Each of the 4 had an exceptional player this year, without whom the team would have been mediocre.Frazier - PetersonArians - LuckShanahan - Griffin and MorrisCarroll - Wilson
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Arians or Shanahan.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Of course they did. It's pretty much not possible to do so without them. I'd add Lynch to Carroll's haul if you're going to put Morris in there with Shanahan. However, very little other than AP was noteworthy on the Vikings. AP literally was the single reason for their success. Not so with the other candidates. Not saying he did a bad job or shouldn't be mentioned, but I don't think he makes the top 5.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Bruce Arians has won Coach of the Year. Well deserved.
Riversco
Footballguy
This award seems biased against coaches that win year in and year out. Outside of going 16-0, I don't think Belichick or Jim Harbaugh had any chance of winning this. They are expected to win. They throw names around likes Arians, Carroll, and Frasier because they werent expected to do much.Maybe rename this the "who is this guy?/We thought you sucked as a coach!" award.
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snogger
Footballguy
mad sweeney
Footballguy
It is, which makes it doubly absurd that Pagano got some votes. No offense meant to Pagano, they should make up an award to give him it was such a great story of perserverence, but how can Arians' efforts be CoY worthy if Pagano's was too?Bruce Arians has won Coach of the Year. Well deserved.
Warrior
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Yeah, try again.2012 regular season wins:
New England - 12
San Francisco - 11
Indianapolis - 11
2012 preseason over/under win totals in Vegas:
New England - 12
San Francisco - 10
Indianapolis - 5.5
http://pregame.com/sports/stories/b/news/archive/2012/05/15/2012-nfl-regular-season-team-win-totals-290089.aspx
And Indy's under was heavily shaded, at that (-180) ... which means Vegas considered it a small miracle for the Colts to win six games. Instead, they won 11. It's called doing more with less, and that's how you arrive at Bruce Arians being Coach of the Year.
Riversco
Footballguy
So my point still stands. Belichick and Harbaugh have to go 16-0 to have a shot? That's a broken system.Yeah, try again.2012 regular season wins:
New England - 12
San Francisco - 11
Indianapolis - 11
2012 preseason over/under win totals in Vegas:
New England - 12
San Francisco - 10
Indianapolis - 5.5
http://pregame.com/sports/stories/b/news/archive/2012/05/15/2012-nfl-regular-season-team-win-totals-290089.aspx
And Indy's under was heavily shaded, at that (-180) ... which means Vegas considered it a small miracle for the Colts to win six games. Instead, they won 11. It's called doing more with less, and that's how you arrive at Bruce Arians being Coach of the Year.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
So it wouldn't be quite as embarrassing if Haslett and Jauron had gone on to have stellar head-coaching careers? I believe the award is called Coach of the Year... not Coach of a Lifetime. What these men did or didn't accomplish in other seasons is irrelevant.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Harbaugh won it with 13 wins, and Belichick twice won it with 14 wins. So, no.So my point still stands. Belichick and Harbaugh have to go 16-0 to have a shot? That's a broken system.Yeah, try again.2012 regular season wins:
New England - 12
San Francisco - 11
Indianapolis - 11
2012 preseason over/under win totals in Vegas:
New England - 12
San Francisco - 10
Indianapolis - 5.5
http://pregame.com/sports/stories/b/news/archive/2012/05/15/2012-nfl-regular-season-team-win-totals-290089.aspx
And Indy's under was heavily shaded, at that (-180) ... which means Vegas considered it a small miracle for the Colts to win six games. Instead, they won 11. It's called doing more with less, and that's how you arrive at Bruce Arians being Coach of the Year.
