Colin Kaepernick Thread and related anthem kneeling issues/news (7 Viewers)

[parasaurolophus]

. But there is a whole spectrum of negative reactions to it that I have seen. From a level of disagreement that I actually respect to awful, hateful, irredeemable conduct.

We very much agree here. 

 

[jonessed]

Ian Rapoport‏ @RapSheet 19h19 hours ago

Athletes for Impact, an advocacy group that includes #Seahawks DL Michael Bennett,

releases a statement supporting Colin Kaepernick in hopes of him signing with a team

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/930876846912212992

"It is now clear because of the courage and willingness to speak truth to power, Kaepernick has not been signed by any NFL team. As Seattle Seahawks star Michael Bennett said of Kaepernick, 'If you look at the quarterbacks in the NFL right now, out of the backups, I can't name one better than him...' Legendary athletes such as Muhammad Ali, Tommy Smith and John Carlos were disparaged by many in their day for using their platform to speak out against racism and injustice. Today their statues stand proudly in the Smithsonian National Museum of African American History and Culture in Washington D.C. and they are widely celebrated as truth tellers ahead of their time. It is time we start celebrating our truth tellers from the start.

"We support Kaepernick's decision to exercise his first amendment rights to protest and we call on all NFL owners, general managers and coaches with a positional need to summon the courage to sign Colin Kaepernick and to stand with us on the right side of history. No one should be denied employment for having the courage to follow their convictions and take action for equality and social justice."

Screw people like Bennett who have shown to be liars.  They are more part of the problem than the solution.  I don’t agree with Kaepernick’s assessment of police, but he hasn’t made false allegations.

I have no idea how anyone takes Bennett seriously anymore.

 

[msommer]

Staying on topic.......

Forgetting the link, as usual....

 

[Dedfin]

Forgetting the link, as usual....

I just assume anything he posts is from Stormfront or Breitbart or the like.

 

[Doug B]

I just assume anything he posts is from Stormfront or Breitbart or the like.

Not so bad this time -- HT got the Larry Elder article from Townhall.com. Townhall bills itself a conservative site ... but a quick perusal seems to indicate that it is typically above the Breitbart-type fray**. And a site like Stormfront wouldn't have much use for Larry Elder.

** though I see an Ann Coulter column hosted there    

 

[squistion]

https://digiday.com/icymi/5-things-know-week-oaths-layoffs-colin-kaepernicks-absence-brand-campaigns/

5 things to know from this week: Oath’s layoffs, Colin Kaepernick’s absence from brand campaigns and more

[...]

Why big brands aren’t working with Colin Kaepernick

Former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick landed on the cover of GQ’s “Men of the Year” issue. But since Kaepernick — who has nearly 5 million followers across Facebook, Instagram and Twitter — knelt during the national anthem at NFL games in 2016 to protest police brutality and racism, he hasn’t appeared in campaigns or partnerships for major brands.

Potential reasons why Kaepernick isn’t teaming up with big brands:

- His actions divided audiences. “You are either with his belief system or not,” said Scott Davis, chief growth officer at brand and marketing consultancy Prophet.

- Brands could seem like they’re commercializing police brutality.

- Kaepernick doesn’t want to. As he put it when he started kneeling: “If they take football away, my endorsements from me, I know that I stood up for what is right.”

Kaepernick’s absence from such deals could be a good thing, though. “His followers see him as being purely motivated,” said Thomas Ordahl, chief strategy officer at brand consulting firm Landor. “To suddenly monetize on that could backfire. It could look like he’s gaming it all.”

 

[Dan Lambskin]

https://digiday.com/icymi/5-things-know-week-oaths-layoffs-colin-kaepernicks-absence-brand-campaigns/

5 things to know from this week: Oath’s layoffs, Colin Kaepernick’s absence from brand campaigns and more

[...]

Why big brands aren’t working with Colin Kaepernick

Former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick landed on the cover of GQ’s “Men of the Year” issue. But since Kaepernick — who has nearly 5 million followers across Facebook, Instagram and Twitter — knelt during the national anthem at NFL games in 2016 to protest police brutality and racism, he hasn’t appeared in campaigns or partnerships for major brands.

Potential reasons why Kaepernick isn’t teaming up with big brands:

- His actions divided audiences. “You are either with his belief system or not,” said Scott Davis, chief growth officer at brand and marketing consultancy Prophet.

- Brands could seem like they’re commercializing police brutality.

- Kaepernick doesn’t want to. As he put it when he started kneeling: “If they take football away, my endorsements from me, I know that I stood up for what is right.”

Kaepernick’s absence from such deals could be a good thing, though. “His followers see him as being purely motivated,” said Thomas Ordahl, chief strategy officer at brand consulting firm Landor. “To suddenly monetize on that could backfire. It could look like he’s gaming it all.”

Probably the same reason Bob Griffin isn't doing subway commercials anymore 

 

[squistion]

Ari Gilberg‏ @arigilberg 3m3 minutes ago

Nathan Peterman has five interceptions in one half of football today.

Fun fact:

That’s one more interception than Colin Kaepernick had in 331 attempts ALL OF LAST SEASON.

But Colin Kaepernick isn’t talented enough to be in the NFL, right?

 

[Max Power]

I hope the Bills sign Kaep.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Ari Gilberg‏ @arigilberg 3m3 minutes ago

Nathan Peterman has five interceptions in one half of football today.

Fun fact:

That’s one more interception than Colin Kaepernick had in 331 attempts ALL OF LAST SEASON.

But Colin Kaepernick isn’t talented enough to be in the NFL, right?

Well he's not on a roster

 

[[scooter]]

only 3 players knelt this weekend. I think it’s safe to say Don won yet again

Hey buddy, 6 players protested this weekend (so far). Still a higher number than before Trump went off.

BTW, Marshawn Lynch sat during the U.S. national anthem, but stood during the Mexican national anthem.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Today it's about Nate Peterman.  Nothing about Tom Savage though.   Good times.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Today it's about Nate Peterman.  Nothing about Tom Savage though.   Good times.

Brett Hundley stunk too but he has already won as many games this year as K-whatever did last year.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Havent really been hearing too many Case Keenum references these days. 

 

[Ghost Rider]

Unless they want to continue to roll with Case Keenum until Bradford is healthy, Vikings should seriously consider signing Kaep.
 

 

[McGarnicle]

Is this still a relevant story anywhere outside of this board? 

 

[WilliamBonney]

If the Vikings had signed the CK they’d be 19-0 at this point in the season.  

 

[squistion]

Is this still a relevant story anywhere outside of this board? 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/cavaliers/2017/11/19/lebron-james-colin-kaepernick-blackballed-nfl/879331001/

 

[parasaurolophus]

Anybody know how Gabbert did today?

 

[McGarnicle]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/cavaliers/2017/11/19/lebron-james-colin-kaepernick-blackballed-nfl/879331001/

Oh Lebron compared him to MLK and Muhammad Ali?  

Still a huge story I guess.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Patrick Daugherty‏ @RotoPat 4h4 hours ago

Sure, Kap can actually complete passes at the NFL level, but hard to overstate

how valuable Tom Savage's anthem standing is to this team.

Fun fact:

Savage has led his team to as many wins this year as Colin did all last year. 

Another fun fact:

No team scored 31 points with Colin at QB the last two years. Macho Man Tom Savage accomplished that feat today.  

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I enjoy fun facts.

 

[[scooter]]

Anybody know how Gabbert did today?

0-1, therefore infinitely worse than Kaepernick.

 

[WilliamBonney]

Dak throws 3 picks yet Dallas won’t call CK. 

 

[parasaurolophus]

0-1, therefore infinitely worse than Kaepernick.

Ok cool. Thanks.

So by my calculations his record the last 2.5 seasons remains better than Colin's.

 

[squistion]

The President takes aim at Marshawn Lynch.

Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump 3h3 hours ago

Marshawn Lynch of the NFL’s Oakland Raiders stands for the Mexican Anthem

and sits down to boos for our National Anthem. Great disrespect!

Next time NFL should suspend him for remainder of season. 

Attendance and ratings way down.

 

[Uncle CornCob]

The President takes aim at Marshawn Lynch.

Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump 3h3 hours ago

Marshawn Lynch of the NFL’s Oakland Raiders stands for the Mexican Anthem

and sits down to boos for our National Anthem. Great disrespect!

Next time NFL should suspend him for remainder of season. 

Attendance and ratings way down.

some people just don’t get it and never will . Totally tone deaf

 

[sho nuff]

some people just don’t get it and never will . Totally tone deaf

Yet you keep defending Trump.

 

[squistion]

Nick Jack Pappas @Pappiness 4h4 hours ago

Trump believes Marshawn Lynch should be suspended from his job,

but Alabama's Roy Moore, a sexual predator, can still run for his.

 

[Da Guru]

If the Vikings had signed the CK they’d be 19-0 at this point in the season.  

Don`t need him..They are very happy with Keenum right now and have Teddy back.

 

[Da Guru]

Nick Jack Pappas @Pappiness 4h4 hours ago

Trump believes Marshawn Lynch should be suspended from his job,

but Alabama's Roy Moore, a sexual predator, can still run for his.

Wrong thread..this is  for Kap talk.

 

[thayman]

Nick Jack Pappas @Pappiness 4h4 hours ago

Trump believes Marshawn Lynch should be suspended from his job,

but Alabama's Roy Moore, a sexual predator, can still run for his.

One works for a private organization.  One is trying to be the representative for a group of people in a representative democracy.  If the people of Alabama feel a sexual predator represents them and their values, well that's certainly their right.  But equating the two does not help your position on this topic.

 

[squistion]

One works for a private organization.  One is trying to be the representative for a group of people in a representative democracy.  If the people of Alabama feel a sexual predator represents them and their values, well that's certainly their right.  But equating the two does not help your position on this topic.

Indeed, not the same. The difference is black and white...

 

[thayman]

Indeed, not the same. The difference is black and white...

Black and white as in racist?  Or black and white as in they are obviously different and you probably shouldn't have attempted to equate the two?  

 

[TobiasFunke]

One works for a private organization.  One is trying to be the representative for a group of people in a representative democracy.  If the people of Alabama feel a sexual predator represents them and their values, well that's certainly their right.  But equating the two does not help your position on this topic.

That's one difference.  Another difference is that Trump has no interest in the private organization he's attempting to influence, but is the de facto leader of the political party that has nominated Moore to the Senate.  One could very easily argue he has a greater obligation to weigh in on Moore than on the behavior of Lynch (or anyone in any private business, really).

 

[thayman]

That's one difference.  Another difference is that Trump has no interest in the private organization he's attempting to influence, but is the de facto leader of the political party that has nominated Moore to the Senate.  One could very easily argue he has a greater obligation to weigh in on Moore than on the behavior of Lynch (or anyone in any private business, really).

I agree.  I don't disagree with Trump when he said that it's up to the voters of Alabama to decide.  I would have liked to see him personally condemn the behavior also but well.....Trump.

 

[squistion]

Black and white as in racist?  Or black and white as in they are obviously different and you probably shouldn't have attempted to equate the two?  

Hmmm...let's see...in the past 24 hours Trump has attacked personally on Twitter two private citizens, Lavar Ball and Marshawn Lynch. Before that it was Jemele Hill and Colin Kaepernick. Wonder what all these people have in common?

 

[Da Guru]

Hmmm...let's see...in the past 24 hours Trump has attacked personally on Twitter two private citizens, Lavar Ball and Marshawn Lynch. Before that it was Jemele Hill and Colin Kaepernick. Wonder what all these people have in common?

3-4 act like idiots?  Trump is an idiot as well so he knows one.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Hmmm...let's see...in the past 24 hours Trump has attacked personally on Twitter two private citizens, Lavar Ball and Marshawn Lynch. Before that it was Jemele Hill and Colin Kaepernick. Wonder what all these people have in common?

A dumb attention seeker commenting on other dumb attention seekers 

 

[thayman]

Hmmm...let's see...in the past 24 hours Trump has attacked personally on Twitter two private citizens, Lavar Ball and Marshawn Lynch. Before that it was Jemele Hill and Colin Kaepernick. Wonder what all these people have in common?

You're trying to argue  and equate several things all at once.  I'm just telling you that comparing Trump's comments on Roy Moore to Trump's comments on Marshawn Lynch do not help your argument on the topic of this thread.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Hmmm...let's see...in the past 24 hours Trump has attacked personally on Twitter two private citizens, Lavar Ball and Marshawn Lynch. Before that it was Jemele Hill and Colin Kaepernick. Wonder what all these people have in common?

They have all been banned, suspended, or fined? Did I get it right?

 

[squistion]

They have all been banned, suspended, or fined? Did I get it right?

No, none of that is applicable to Lavar Ball.

 

[Uncle CornCob]

Hmmm...let's see...in the past 24 hours Trump has attacked personally on Twitter two private citizens, Lavar Ball and Marshawn Lynch. Before that it was Jemele Hill and Colin Kaepernick. Wonder what all these people have in common?

What do you think ? Please explain exactly what you mean by this. Not some google it answer. 

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Marshawn Lynch is a lot of things, but I don't think he's seeking attention or trying to make a particularly serious statement.  He's not Colin Kaepernick.  He just DGAF.  Which is also fine by me.  

 

[squistion]

You're trying to argue  and equate several things all at once.  I'm just telling you that comparing Trump's comments on Roy Moore to Trump's comments on Marshawn Lynch do not help your argument on the topic of this thread.

You are entitled to your opinion.

I have seen many comments on social media, particularly from African Americans making the same point that I have. From the always outspoken and controversial Shaun King:

Shaun King‏Verified account @ShaunKing 5h5 hours ago

If you are struggling to understand why Trump has criticized LaVar Ball & Marshawn Lynch more than Roy Moore, it’s because conservatives have made it very clear that a white Republican pedophile bothers them far less than a Free Black Man.

 

[Uncle CornCob]

Marshawn Lynch is a lot of things, but I don't think he's seeking attention or trying to make a particularly serious statement.  He's not Colin Kaepernick.  He just DGAF.  Which is also fine by me.  

If he doesn’t seek attention then why do a reality show

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Yeah, I don't have to go to Google or Twitter to say that I think that Donald Trump knows how to appeal to racists.  I wouldn't even call the appeals coded at this point. They're less dog whistle and more megaphone.  

 

[Henry Ford]

If he doesn’t seek attention then why do a reality show

I would imagine for the huge amount of money they'll pay him.

Edit: This isn't some random person looking for 15 minutes of fame.  If someone offered me millions to do ten 15-minute episodes of something on facebook, I think I'd probably consider it.

For about ten seconds and then ask for a check.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

If he doesn’t seek attention then why do a reality show

Because he thinks it's fun and people will pay him?  But let me rephrase.  I don't think Marshawn Lynch is seriously protesting racial injustice so much as giving those with a gigantic hard-on over the anthem issue a big F-you.  

 

[TobiasFunke]

The better question is why Trump has attacked Lynch, Kapernick, Hill, Ball, and Steph Curry but NOT Popovich, Steve Kerr and Stan Van Gundy.

Or I guess the better argument, since the answer to the question is fairly obvious to anyone whose head isn't so far up their ### they can see out their belly button.