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Colin Kaepernick Thread and related anthem kneeling issues/news (4 Viewers)
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squistion
Footballguy
That is not true, the traffic stop and jailing of Sandra Bland was the type of targeting of AAs by LEOs that Kaepernick was protesting: and became part of the Black Lives Matter protests
https://www.vox.com/2019/5/7/18535659/sandra-bland-video-traffic-stop-brian-encinia-texas-police
And she was discussed earlier in the thread and no one complained at the time that it had nothing to do with Kaep.
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Jobber
Footballguy
Why was she arrested? Unless she had an outstanding warrant, yes it certainly does. I guarantee if I were to do the same as she, I would have been at home eating dinner with my family that evening.
squistion
Footballguy
Trump was outraged.
https://time.com/5613766/trump-says-inappropriate-megan-rapinoe-national-anthem-protest/
Trump Says It's Inappropriate for U.S. Soccer Star Megan Rapinoe to Protest During the National Anthem
President Donald Trump thinks it’s inappropriate for Megan Rapinoe, the U.S. women’s soccer team co-captain, to protest during the national anthem.
At the FIFA Women’s World Cup in France, where the U.S. team advanced to the quarterfinals with a win against Spain on Monday, Rapinoe has stood motionless when “The Star Spangled Banner” is sung at pre-game ceremonies. Rapinoe has long been outspoken about her decision to keep quiet or kneel during the national anthem to protest police brutality and discrimination against minorities.
Asked by The Hill if Rapinoe’s protests were appropriate, Trump said, “No. I don’t think so.”
Rapinoe, 33, first knelt during the national anthem in September 2016, as a gesture of solidarity with African American football players in the NFL, including former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick, whose kneeling protests sparked national debate. In February, Kaepernick settled a lawsuit he had opened against the NFL arguing that team owners and officials had colluded to keep him out of the league after his protests.
“Being a gay American, I know what it means to look at the flag and not have it protect all of your liberties,” Rapinoe told American Soccer Now to explain her decision to start protesting in 2016.
After Rapinoe’s protest, the U.S. Soccer Federation introduced a rule requiring players to “stand respectfully” during the anthem. Rapinoe then began standing still and expressionless when it was sung at games.
In May, she told Yahoo Sports she would “probably never put [her] hand over [her] heart” or “sing the national anthem” again.
In the same interview, she called Trump “sexist,” “racist” and “not a good person.”
squistion
Footballguy
Q: “Are you excited about going to the White House?”
Megan Rapinoe: “I’m not going to the ####### White House
https://twitter.com/ErickFernandez/status/1143597136988332035 (video at link).
Megan Rapinoe: “I’m not going to the ####### White House
https://twitter.com/ErickFernandez/status/1143597136988332035 (video at link).
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
I am Hispanic and got arrested for having an unpaid no proof of insurance ticket. I showed that I had my proof and they still took me in.
skycriesmary
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
It is equally amusing to see how many on the right care whether an athlete puts their hand on their heart or sings during the playing of national anthem. It amazes me that anyone spends more than 10 seconds thinking about it.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I would have no idea who this women is or what she did if not for the cheerleading done in this thread. Not a fan of a person who puts their personal politics over the country they are alledgely representing. She is not worth the time of day.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
This is a fairly ambiguous comment. Did you have an unpaid proof of insurance ticket?
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
This is a lame comment. Kaep was the first and most high profile. Tons of people hopped on the bandwagon, they didnt get anywhere near as much media coverage. There are plenty of people in the nfl that were kneeling and people couldnt even tell you their name.
timschochet
Footballguy
There are three quotes from her in the story. Each one is political and is a criticism of this country and seem to imply she will never have any respect for this country. Not sure how you spin that as putting country over personal politics, but I am sure you will try.
irish eyes
Footballguy
Rapinoe is garbage and a hypocrite. No respect for our country, but she will certainly use it to her benefit. Hates USA but wears it on her uniform. She is worse than Crapernick but both are worthless. Most people dont even know who she is, but I will be pulling for whatever team plays US in world cup. How anyone could cheer for someone like that is beyond me.jon_mx said:
jomar
Footballguy
should I be more concerned about someone who doesn't put their hand over their heart while the national anthem plays or at a President who obstructs justice into foreign interference in our elections, who openly solicits foreign countries to commit crimes against US citizens, and who openly calls our free press the enemy of the people? which one is more disrespectful and harmful to our country? gotta be the woman soccer play, right?
timschochet
Footballguy
Spin isn’t necessary in this instance. She’s using her position to draw attention to issues she cares about in the hopes that she can affect change. In doing do she’s putting her personal reputation at risk. It’s naive IMO (So was Kaepernick) but it’s also in keeping with our greatest traditions of American protest. Much like William Lloyd Garrison’s public burning of the Constitution, its a profoundly patriotic act.jon_mx said:
timschochet
Footballguy
Interesting. This reaction by you is perfectly fine, but I’m curious as to how you distinguish it from her actions which you disapprove of.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Yes, but it was an Hispanic cop that arrested me too and I had my POI on me at the time.parasaurolophus said:
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I admit to not being familiar with the laws in your area, since I dont know even know where this happened, but what does current POI have to do with a past violation and not paying the ticket for a past violation? Are you allowed to be arrested for an unpaid violation or not?
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
I always had insurance, just did not have it on me first time I was pulled over. It was no big deal my fines were dismissed.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
The country they are representing is one that has enshrined in its documents the tolerance of dissent. Respect for the expression rights of the minority as well as the majority, or at least that is my understanding. I find her, therefore, representative of her country.jon_mx said:
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Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I would interpret her comments as supportive of her country, except when it falls short of its obligations under its foundational principals. She is not supportive of falling short.jon_mx said:
LMAO. Throwing f-bombs at the office of the presidency. Yup. That's real supportive.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yep, that is the spin I was referring too. This is like having a wife, but telling her you can not show love to her because she is a bit chubby. Yes, you can spin it that you love her because she has not met her ideal weight which would be healthier. You either show her love despite her imperfections or you really don't love her, IMHO.
Well, if you want to split hairs that way then her comments are no less divisive to "the country" than anything Trump has said.
Don't get me wrong, she has every right to say/do what she's doing, but it is nonsense to think it is "supportive of the country." It alienates the very people she ostensibly wants to change, creating even more division.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I don’t think it’s nonsense at all. I think it’s nonsense to now complain that athletes must sing the anthem and can’t even silently protest while standing. And I don’t think she is the one being divisive m...she is speaking out against the division.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
You are entitled to your opinion sir. for all I know you may have been wounded or even died in service of your country. (Obviously if you died you got better.)
That's cool. I find using that time to call attention to herself above both her team and her country to be offensive.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Refusing to put her hand over her heart during the playing of the national anthem when the rest of the team does it is blatantly calling attention to yourself. Pretty simple.
jomar
Footballguy
I don't know because I don't pay too much attention to what female soccer players are doing while the national anthem is being played. is the President still obstructing justice right now? he might've just tweeted some more obstruction this morning. should my outrage be about equal for these two things or is one even a little bit more important?
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squistion
Footballguy
POTUS weighs in...
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 26m26 minutes ago
Women’s soccer player, @mPinoe, just stated that she is “not going to the F...ing White House if we win.” Other than the NBA, which now refuses to call owners, owners (please explain that I just got Criminal Justice Reform passed, Black unemployment is at the lowest level...
....in our Country’s history, and the poverty index is also best number EVER), leagues and teams love coming to the White House. I am a big fan of the American Team, and Women’s Soccer, but Megan should WIN first before she TALKS! Finish the job! We haven’t yet....
....invited Megan or the team, but I am now inviting the TEAM, win or lose. Megan should never disrespect our Country, the White House, or our Flag, especially since so much has been done for her & the team. Be proud of the Flag that you wear. The USA is doing GREAT!
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 26m26 minutes ago
Women’s soccer player, @mPinoe, just stated that she is “not going to the F...ing White House if we win.” Other than the NBA, which now refuses to call owners, owners (please explain that I just got Criminal Justice Reform passed, Black unemployment is at the lowest level...
....in our Country’s history, and the poverty index is also best number EVER), leagues and teams love coming to the White House. I am a big fan of the American Team, and Women’s Soccer, but Megan should WIN first before she TALKS! Finish the job! We haven’t yet....
....invited Megan or the team, but I am now inviting the TEAM, win or lose. Megan should never disrespect our Country, the White House, or our Flag, especially since so much has been done for her & the team. Be proud of the Flag that you wear. The USA is doing GREAT!
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
You may feel better in a country where everyone is forced to stand for the anthem and not speak out against their country without being punished. It sounds like that's what you are looking for.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Doesn't our President curse at his rallies and call US citizens names? Why are you holding a person who you never knew before now to a higher standard than our President?
timschochet
Footballguy
You know what’s funny? This tweet doesn’t bother me at all. In fact I applaud the President. I think it’s classy to invite the team anyhow (a reversal from his stance last year with the NBA). I don’t agree with him about disrespecting the flag but he certainly has the right to offer his opinion. I like how he’s rooting for the team anyhow (unlike a certain poster here) and yes he does deserve credit for criminal justice reform.
I'm not and I've never done that. Based on what I've seen the President should be impeached but for lack of evidence.
Even so, there's a difference between Trump, the office of the President and the U.S. overall.
squistion
Footballguy
So, to be respectful, would you require all athletes participating in any game be required to:jon_mx said:
1) Stand for the anthem?
2) Place a hand over their heart?
3) Sing all the words?
4) Not be expressionless and have a smile on their face?
If so and you demand this degree of compliance, then we would be entering the territory of an authoritarian regime like North Korea.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Do you feel that many other people tend to hold others to a higher standard than they do the President?
sho nuff
Footballguy
I don't require anything. What she actually does has little bearing. It is her attitude which she states that I find repulsive. If you don't respect our country and its laws, why represent the country on the soccer field?
I honestly can't say what others do in relation to judging the President. This thread is about whether the national anthem should be a platform for protest. That is what my comments are intended to be directed toward.
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