College Professor Taught the Wrong Course For a Full Semester (1 Viewer)

[Yankee23Fan]

I'm not getting all the criticism of the student here. It is not unreasonable when signing up for a class and paying for it to expect the school to actually teach the class you signed up for. Whether the class that should have been taught was too easy, or the student should have been able to do well anyway in the class that was taught in error is really beside the point, IMO.

"I picked a really easy course so I could keep my A average and then they tricked me with a real one. It hurt my 4.0 GPA which is meaningless in the real world. And I still got a B." Yeah it wasn't the right course but she comes off as whiny and entitled. We have all been around these people in various classes over the years. Anything that costs them a point is the end of the world.

It's pretty meaningful for a community college student who wants to transfer to a full fledged university.

Yeah, biggy is right and NC is way off base here, in my opinion.

 

[NCCommish]

I'm not getting all the criticism of the student here. It is not unreasonable when signing up for a class and paying for it to expect the school to actually teach the class you signed up for. Whether the class that should have been taught was too easy, or the student should have been able to do well anyway in the class that was taught in error is really beside the point, IMO.

"I picked a really easy course so I could keep my A average and then they tricked me with a real one. It hurt my 4.0 GPA which is meaningless in the real world. And I still got a B." Yeah it wasn't the right course but she comes off as whiny and entitled. We have all been around these people in various classes over the years. Anything that costs them a point is the end of the world.

It's pretty meaningful for a community college student who wants to transfer to a full fledged university.

Again not really. I have 3 people I have watched go through the process. None of them were straight A's. They all got into the public 4 year college they applied to after finishing.

But would their chances of getting into an elite school have been better had they received straight As? It's not about getting into "a" college. It's about increasing your odds of getting into the best college possible, and grades matter.

Ok so if the girl who had trouble with basic chemistry is planning a run at Harvard yeah her grades might matter, sure. Of course Harvard only accepts 2% of all transfers so I am not sure she has a snowballs chance even with an A. Do we really think that's the case?

 

[bigbottom]

I'm not getting all the criticism of the student here. It is not unreasonable when signing up for a class and paying for it to expect the school to actually teach the class you signed up for. Whether the class that should have been taught was too easy, or the student should have been able to do well anyway in the class that was taught in error is really beside the point, IMO.

"I picked a really easy course so I could keep my A average and then they tricked me with a real one. It hurt my 4.0 GPA which is meaningless in the real world. And I still got a B." Yeah it wasn't the right course but she comes off as whiny and entitled. We have all been around these people in various classes over the years. Anything that costs them a point is the end of the world.

It's pretty meaningful for a community college student who wants to transfer to a full fledged university.

Again not really. I have 3 people I have watched go through the process. None of them were straight A's. They all got into the public 4 year college they applied to after finishing.

But would their chances of getting into an elite school have been better had they received straight As? It's not about getting into "a" college. It's about increasing your odds of getting into the best college possible, and grades matter.

Ok so if the girl who had trouble with basic chemistry is planning a run at Harvard yeah her grades might matter, sure. Of course Harvard only accepts 2% of all transfers so I am not sure she has a snowballs chance even with an A. Do we really think that's the case?

Do I think she is planning to go to Harvard? I have no idea. But it is beyond obvious that grades matter when trying to increase her chances of getting into the best school possible. I get it. You're grumpy and have dug yourself in on this one.

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

NCC off the rails in here.

 

[NCCommish]

I'm not getting all the criticism of the student here. It is not unreasonable when signing up for a class and paying for it to expect the school to actually teach the class you signed up for. Whether the class that should have been taught was too easy, or the student should have been able to do well anyway in the class that was taught in error is really beside the point, IMO.

"I picked a really easy course so I could keep my A average and then they tricked me with a real one. It hurt my 4.0 GPA which is meaningless in the real world. And I still got a B." Yeah it wasn't the right course but she comes off as whiny and entitled. We have all been around these people in various classes over the years. Anything that costs them a point is the end of the world.

It's pretty meaningful for a community college student who wants to transfer to a full fledged university.

Yeah, biggy is right and NC is way off base here, in my opinion.

Maybe I am. Hasn't been the case as a student to me. Hasn't been the case as an applicant for me. Hasn't been the case as the person doing the hiring. And it hasn't been the case of any of the children I know who went this route.

Maybe someone could share with us the time they got to explain their GPA as an applicant after graduation. Or maybe one of you transferred from a 2 year school and can share with us how the one B you got in a basic class kept you out of the school of your choice. I mean my sample size is so small and I am obviously so wrong those stories must be rampant.

 

[Zow]

The professor taught a different class than the students signed up for. They should all get a "Pass" for it so they get credit but doesn't impact grades.. Hurting their GPA or causing them to stay in school longer because of a blatant error by the college is unfair.

The teacher adjusted the grades up once the error was discovered.

Yeah, but a Pass/Fail is different from bumping grades up. I think giving everyone a Pass is probably the best solution.

Pretty sure whiny chick disagrees.

You think she'd rather have her GPA hurt than not having it impacted at all?

Her GPA is meaningless. It's a 2 year degree. And I think a B is probably easier to use to achieve an average grade than a pass/fail grade.

I'm not sure what's gotten you all riled up, but, respectfully, your arguments aren't even making sense.

1) Why would whiny chick prefer an outcome that hurts her GPA, when she states expressly that she was trying to maintain a 4.0?

2) Why do you conclude her GPA is meaningless? Neither of us know what her future plans are, but her GPA is vitally important if she is trying to get admitted to a good 4-year university.

3) Why would you "think that a B is probably easier to use to achieve an average grade than a pass/fail grade?" I'm actually not even sure what you're saying here. A passing grade in a pass/fail class would have no impact on her GPA. She'd still have her 4.0. Why would a B grade help her average?

Can you average in a pass/fail?

No. That's the point. Since she already has a 4.0, it would be far more advantageous and equitable for her if the remedy to the situation was to make the class a pass/fail.*

*Only issue here is that the college probably limits the amount of pass/fail and oftentimes choosing to go pass/fail is done in the anticipation of a bad grade and colleges made assume that without a proper explanation.

 

[Slapdash]

This grades are meaningless angle is pretty damn ridiculous.

Particularity when discussing how a paying customer is being screwed by the college here.

 

[Slapdash]

The professor taught a different class than the students signed up for. They should all get a "Pass" for it so they get credit but doesn't impact grades.. Hurting their GPA or causing them to stay in school longer because of a blatant error by the college is unfair.

The teacher adjusted the grades up once the error was discovered.

Yeah, but a Pass/Fail is different from bumping grades up. I think giving everyone a Pass is probably the best solution.

Pretty sure whiny chick disagrees.

You think she'd rather have her GPA hurt than not having it impacted at all?

Her GPA is meaningless. It's a 2 year degree. And I think a B is probably easier to use to achieve an average grade than a pass/fail grade.

I'm not sure what's gotten you all riled up, but, respectfully, your arguments aren't even making sense.

1) Why would whiny chick prefer an outcome that hurts her GPA, when she states expressly that she was trying to maintain a 4.0?

2) Why do you conclude her GPA is meaningless? Neither of us know what her future plans are, but her GPA is vitally important if she is trying to get admitted to a good 4-year university.

3) Why would you "think that a B is probably easier to use to achieve an average grade than a pass/fail grade?" I'm actually not even sure what you're saying here. A passing grade in a pass/fail class would have no impact on her GPA. She'd still have her 4.0. Why would a B grade help her average?

Can you average in a pass/fail?

No. That's the point. Since she already has a 4.0, it would be far more advantageous and equitable for her if the remedy to the situation was to make the class a pass/fail.*

*Only issue here is that the college probably limits the amount of pass/fail and oftentimes choosing to go pass/fail is done in the anticipation of a bad grade and colleges made assume that without a proper explanation.

True. Pass/Fail is a good tool to be able to take additional course-load without being graded for it though.

I did it for a class that was useful to the job I already was hired before before graduating. Didn't want the potential to throw off the GPA. Ended up with the highest grade somehow.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I'm not getting all the criticism of the student here. It is not unreasonable when signing up for a class and paying for it to expect the school to actually teach the class you signed up for. Whether the class that should have been taught was too easy, or the student should have been able to do well anyway in the class that was taught in error is really beside the point, IMO.

"I picked a really easy course so I could keep my A average and then they tricked me with a real one. It hurt my 4.0 GPA which is meaningless in the real world. And I still got a B." Yeah it wasn't the right course but she comes off as whiny and entitled. We have all been around these people in various classes over the years. Anything that costs them a point is the end of the world.

It's pretty meaningful for a community college student who wants to transfer to a full fledged university.

Yeah, biggy is right and NC is way off base here, in my opinion.

Maybe I am. Hasn't been the case as a student to me. Hasn't been the case as an applicant for me. Hasn't been the case as the person doing the hiring. And it hasn't been the case of any of the children I know who went this route.

Maybe someone could share with us the time they got to explain their GPA as an applicant after graduation. Or maybe one of you transferred from a 2 year school and can share with us how the one B you got in a basic class kept you out of the school of your choice. I mean my sample size is so small and I am obviously so wrong those stories must be rampant.

You woke up on the wrong side of the earth today. Go decaf for the rest of the day and watch the sunset tonight.

 

[Zow]

I'm not getting all the criticism of the student here. It is not unreasonable when signing up for a class and paying for it to expect the school to actually teach the class you signed up for. Whether the class that should have been taught was too easy, or the student should have been able to do well anyway in the class that was taught in error is really beside the point, IMO.

"I picked a really easy course so I could keep my A average and then they tricked me with a real one. It hurt my 4.0 GPA which is meaningless in the real world. And I still got a B." Yeah it wasn't the right course but she comes off as whiny and entitled. We have all been around these people in various classes over the years. Anything that costs them a point is the end of the world.

It's pretty meaningful for a community college student who wants to transfer to a full fledged university.

Again not really. I have 3 people I have watched go through the process. None of them were straight A's. They all got into the public 4 year college they applied to after finishing.

But would their chances of getting into an elite school have been better had they received straight As? It's not about getting into "a" college. It's about increasing your odds of getting into the best college possible, and grades matter.

Ok so if the girl who had trouble with basic chemistry is planning a run at Harvard yeah her grades might matter, sure. Of course Harvard only accepts 2% of all transfers so I am not sure she has a snowballs chance even with an A. Do we really think that's the case?

Why do you insist on using the most extreme example?

Since we're going all anecdotal here, for my students there are often doing their two-year to get into ASU, U of A, or NAU. They're all fine, four year colleges, but there is a somewhat general hierarchy and U of A is generally "harder" to get into. For my students wanting to transfer there, grades definitely matter. In fact, I had a kid several semesters ago call me upset because I gave him a "B" and beg me to change (I didn't, because since he missed a quiz he barely qualified for a "B") because at that time he had a perfect 4.0 and was trying to transfer into U of A. I ran into him not too long ago and he's now at ASU. So yeah there's a prime example of why it matters.

 

[Sarnoff]

NCC off the rails in here.

He's been off the rails ever since he came back. Shame to see a good poster fall so hard. It's like getting a glimpse of Otis' future.

 

[NCCommish]

I'm not getting all the criticism of the student here. It is not unreasonable when signing up for a class and paying for it to expect the school to actually teach the class you signed up for. Whether the class that should have been taught was too easy, or the student should have been able to do well anyway in the class that was taught in error is really beside the point, IMO.

"I picked a really easy course so I could keep my A average and then they tricked me with a real one. It hurt my 4.0 GPA which is meaningless in the real world. And I still got a B." Yeah it wasn't the right course but she comes off as whiny and entitled. We have all been around these people in various classes over the years. Anything that costs them a point is the end of the world.

It's pretty meaningful for a community college student who wants to transfer to a full fledged university.

Again not really. I have 3 people I have watched go through the process. None of them were straight A's. They all got into the public 4 year college they applied to after finishing.

But would their chances of getting into an elite school have been better had they received straight As? It's not about getting into "a" college. It's about increasing your odds of getting into the best college possible, and grades matter.

Ok so if the girl who had trouble with basic chemistry is planning a run at Harvard yeah her grades might matter, sure. Of course Harvard only accepts 2% of all transfers so I am not sure she has a snowballs chance even with an A. Do we really think that's the case?

Do I think she is planning to go to Harvard? I have no idea. But it is beyond obvious that grades matter when trying to increase her chances of getting into the best school possible. I get it. You're grumpy and have dug yourself in on this one.

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Really her GPA minus applying to a prestigious private college is pretty meaningless especially when we are talking one B. You guys are acting like this cratered her GPA. It's one B. If everything else is an A does it really matter? That one grade? That couple of tenths of a point? You guys want to argue that is going to keep her out of the college she is going to apply to? And that will be the whole reason for it?

If you say so but it doesn't match up with what I have seen happen.

Oh and I am not grumpy. Well maybe a little.

 

[bigbottom]

I'm not getting all the criticism of the student here. It is not unreasonable when signing up for a class and paying for it to expect the school to actually teach the class you signed up for. Whether the class that should have been taught was too easy, or the student should have been able to do well anyway in the class that was taught in error is really beside the point, IMO.

"I picked a really easy course so I could keep my A average and then they tricked me with a real one. It hurt my 4.0 GPA which is meaningless in the real world. And I still got a B." Yeah it wasn't the right course but she comes off as whiny and entitled. We have all been around these people in various classes over the years. Anything that costs them a point is the end of the world.

It's pretty meaningful for a community college student who wants to transfer to a full fledged university.

Again not really. I have 3 people I have watched go through the process. None of them were straight A's. They all got into the public 4 year college they applied to after finishing.

But would their chances of getting into an elite school have been better had they received straight As? It's not about getting into "a" college. It's about increasing your odds of getting into the best college possible, and grades matter.

Ok so if the girl who had trouble with basic chemistry is planning a run at Harvard yeah her grades might matter, sure. Of course Harvard only accepts 2% of all transfers so I am not sure she has a snowballs chance even with an A. Do we really think that's the case?

Do I think she is planning to go to Harvard? I have no idea. But it is beyond obvious that grades matter when trying to increase her chances of getting into the best school possible. I get it. You're grumpy and have dug yourself in on this one.

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Really her GPA minus applying to a prestigious private college is pretty meaningless especially when we are talking one B. You guys are acting like this cratered her GPA. It's one B. If everything else is an A does it really matter? That one grade? That couple of tenths of a point? You guys want to argue that is going to keep her out of the college she is going to apply to? And that will be the whole reason for it?

If you say so but it doesn't match up with what I have seen happen.

Oh and I am not grumpy. Well maybe a little.

Yes. One grade can matter.

Edit: That one grade could drop a GPA from a 4.0 to a 3.93 (assuming a full course load of 16 units per semester). That could absolutely make a difference in competing for limited transfer spots into the good university where you are striving to get admitted (just as the difference between a 4.0 GPA and 3.93 GPA in high school could make a difference in getting into that university).

 

[hagmania]

NCC, it isn't meaningless to the girl.

 

[Henry Ford]

Really her GPA minus applying to a prestigious private college is pretty meaningless especially when we are talking one B. You guys are acting like this cratered her GPA. It's one B. If everything else is an A does it really matter? That one grade? That couple of tenths of a point? You guys want to argue that is going to keep her out of the college she is going to apply to? And that will be the whole reason for it?

If you say so but it doesn't match up with what I have seen happen.

Oh and I am not grumpy. Well maybe a little.

According to UT Austin's website (because this was in Texas) if you want to transfer from community college to their business school, the average accepted transfer GPA for Texas residents last year was a 3.87.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I don't think it's for any of us to decide how important her grades are to her. Maybe her dad's dying wish was for her to get a 4.0. Or maybe she has a $20,000 bet with a friend. I don't think the reason matters. If she thinks her grades are important to her, they are.

 

[Ilov80s]

A friend of mine screwed up big time in HS, tanked his GPA for 3 years. He did as little as possible so he could pass with D-, failed some classes and had to do summer school. Senior year he realized he wanted to do something after high school got in gear. It was too late to salvage his GPA. So he enrolled at a community college and in 2 years was accepted to the University of Michigan. He had to be perfect in community college to get into Michigan. I don't know what kind of chemistry classes he took, he was a business major. Graduated and now has a masters, does well for himself professionally.

 

[Slapdash]

I don't think it's for any of us to decide how important her grades are to her. Maybe her dad's dying wish was for her to get a 4.0. Or maybe she has a $20,000 bet with a friend. I don't think the reason matters. If she thinks her grades are important to her, they are.

And she is the customer here

 

[hagmania]

I don't think it's for any of us to decide how important her grades are to her. Maybe her dad's dying wish was for her to get a 4.0. Or maybe she has a $20,000 bet with a friend. I don't think the reason matters. If she thinks her grades are important to her, they are.

I don't think it's for any of us to decide how important her grades are to her. Maybe her dad's dying wish was for her to get a 4.0. Or maybe she has a $20,000 bet with a friend. I don't think the reason matters. If she thinks her grades are important to her, they are.

And she is the customer here

NCC, it isn't meaningless to the girl.

Hello exactly!

 

[RUSF18]

NCC and Tobias should totally hang out.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

These students were in a Nguyen situation.

I'd just like to point out that I have a co-worker named Nguyen, and thanks to this post I've now been upon the arrival of e-mails and IM's from her for two days straight now.

I'm probably going to get fired for mental instability, and it's all because of you.

 

[gianmarco]

These students were in a Nguyen situation.

I'd just like to point out that I have a co-worker named Nguyen, and thanks to this post I've now been upon the arrival of e-mails and IM's from her for two days straight now.

I'm probably going to get fired for mental instability, and it's all because of you.

 

[Christo]

NCC off the rails in here.

Bringing the dumb is his new hobby.

 

[Tick]

Seems like a lot of the elements of these two classes would be the same. Instead of invoking such a stark reaction, seems like the solution would have been to offer a second semester with the missing material as a sort of compound course.

What was missing? They are the same course. The one she signed up for was a dumbed down version.

I smirked at the original post.

I laughed out loud at this response.

 

[johnjohn]

NCC is in meltdown mode right now

 

[Christo]

NCC is in meltdown mode right now

You might not be the best person to make that assessment.

 

[johnjohn]

NCC is in meltdown mode right now

You might not be the best person to make that assessment.

Okay chuckles, you have 50k posts and 49k of them consists of

 

[Christo]

NCC is in meltdown mode right now

You might not be the best person to make that assessment.

Okay chuckles, you have 50k posts and 49k of them consists of

People like you make me laugh . . . a lot.