ghostguy123
Footballguy
Anything else you can tell us?? How do you KNOW the colluded? How long after first come first serve did they pick the players up??
This is terrible man. You paint a picture like a blind dude.
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This is terrible man. You paint a picture like a blind dude.
r0llin_game
Footballguy
Pretty sure the correct answer is that the guy that got colluded against should sleep with the wives of the guys that colluded against him.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I understand the urge to ridicule most the posts who start the "is this collusion" thread, but this is the very definition of collusion.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
He's asking in the form of a hypothetical question. It's not rocket science. Let's say three teams colluded with each other to arrange their free agent blind bids in such a way to specifically prevent another team from grabbing three specific players. Forget how you find out about how this happened, or if two of the guys are cousins or vote Republican. Do you think that behavior is collusion?
ghostguy123
Footballguy
That is not the same as this.
This appears (though who the hell really knows) to be at some point during "1st come 1st serve" waivers, which is not remotly close to something that happens during blind bidding.
It seems in this case (but again, who knows) while 1st come 1st serve was open, these guys emailed each other or whatever to say to pick up some guys to screw over another team.
It isn't remotely close to being the same because that team that got "screwed over" had every opportunity during both bidding and the first come first serve period to get a player he needed.
So is it collusion? Sure, but I don't think there should be any reprocutions whatsoever if that is indeed how it went down.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
chickensoup
Footballguy
Don't really see why it matters to be honest. It's people upgrading their team in an activity that generally sees teams not upgrade their team when they are out of the playoff hunt.
They are not hurting the competative balance of the league whatsoever, it doesn't matter if they talk about it first. As a matter of fact they are increasing competativeness in the league.
If you want to call it collusion from an academic standpoint, have at it. But if you are going to do that then trades are collusion, because teams do it for their benefit at the disadvantage of others. 2 friends discussing waivers they are going to put in for is collusion as well.
The guy being "colluded" against probably has done something to get people to want to perform this heinous act of team improvement against him and in all honesty, I'm fine with them doing it. Heck, I do stuff to screw over my best friends team constantly, just because it increases the fun (and #### talking)
They are not hurting the competative balance of the league whatsoever, it doesn't matter if they talk about it first. As a matter of fact they are increasing competativeness in the league.
If you want to call it collusion from an academic standpoint, have at it. But if you are going to do that then trades are collusion, because teams do it for their benefit at the disadvantage of others. 2 friends discussing waivers they are going to put in for is collusion as well.
The guy being "colluded" against probably has done something to get people to want to perform this heinous act of team improvement against him and in all honesty, I'm fine with them doing it. Heck, I do stuff to screw over my best friends team constantly, just because it increases the fun (and #### talking)
ghostguy123
Footballguy
This isnt even what they did. They didnt "put in" for anything. It was first come first serve, which dramaticlaly lessens the severity of this collusion to the point where (if it played out the way I think it did) it is not even worth discussing as collusion any more than a trade would be as you said.
This is a case of the other guy being wayyyyyy dumber and less proactive than it is collusion.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Put me in the camp that says "not every single possible form of collusion should be illegal"
Minor point: I churn the waiver wire strategically during the week (we have no transaction limits) and I know others in my league do as well. I don't consider this particular part of OPs post to be anything but honest competition.
Collusion? I oppose collusion and think it should be outlawed in fantasy leagues. It's outlawed in the real world for a reason, perhaps subtle but a fine reason nonetheless. There are gray areas, perhaps. Emailing an owner reminding him to set a lineup when this benefits you in the standings is fine, since that owner's absenteeism hurts the league more than your email. Trades on a string, motivated by Bye weeks, are absolutely awful and should be outlawed. Sending a league-wide email without having a conversation, asking all of the league to squeeze so-and-so in TEs, is probably not collusion because there was no conversation, no give-and-take, provided your motivations are selfish AND strategic, not personal.
I do believe personality stuff ruins leagues, and if the motivation was personal, not strategic, the moves should be outlawed. Trying to hurt a team because you don't like the owner, or favor another owner, as opposed to specifically trying to help your own team, will quickly destroy a league. Leagues should have rules that seek to keep themselves from imploding based on personal animus.
Collusion? I oppose collusion and think it should be outlawed in fantasy leagues. It's outlawed in the real world for a reason, perhaps subtle but a fine reason nonetheless. There are gray areas, perhaps. Emailing an owner reminding him to set a lineup when this benefits you in the standings is fine, since that owner's absenteeism hurts the league more than your email. Trades on a string, motivated by Bye weeks, are absolutely awful and should be outlawed. Sending a league-wide email without having a conversation, asking all of the league to squeeze so-and-so in TEs, is probably not collusion because there was no conversation, no give-and-take, provided your motivations are selfish AND strategic, not personal.
I do believe personality stuff ruins leagues, and if the motivation was personal, not strategic, the moves should be outlawed. Trying to hurt a team because you don't like the owner, or favor another owner, as opposed to specifically trying to help your own team, will quickly destroy a league. Leagues should have rules that seek to keep themselves from imploding based on personal animus.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
So what do you suggest be done about it?Don't understand people's confusion.
Generally if someone breaks the rules there should be some sort of reprocussion.
What should be done in this exact case?
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I have no idea. Depends on a lot of factors that the OP hasn't provided. That does not, in any way, change the fact that three owners working together to disadvantage another owner is absolutely collusion.So what do you suggest be done about it?
Generally if someone breaks the rules there should be some sort of reprocussion.
What should be done in this exact case?
ghostguy123
Footballguy
OP, was this discussed by the three teams BEFORE waivers?
Or did one of them notice it during the first come first serve period and shoot an email to a couple other people, saying "hey, ya know if we do this, this, and this, then this happens"?
Did they all three do a three-way phone convo and talk about screwing the guy over, or did one guy email two others once first come first serve opened suggesting they pick up a player to screw the other guy over, and then they did it?
Or did one of them notice it during the first come first serve period and shoot an email to a couple other people, saying "hey, ya know if we do this, this, and this, then this happens"?
Did they all three do a three-way phone convo and talk about screwing the guy over, or did one guy email two others once first come first serve opened suggesting they pick up a player to screw the other guy over, and then they did it?
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
So many emotions over this comment.
The definition of collusion has "illegal" in it.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
And again, I don't think every form of collusion should be banned.
This very well might be a case where I side with "allow it".
But as you said, and I said 20 times, dude didnt provide anywhere near enough info.
But sure, simple, it IS a form of collusion..........so the answer is "yes". So was that all he was looking for? A yes or no answer??
He obviously started the thread to see if it was a "yes", but why do that unless you feel something should be done about it?
ghostguy123
Footballguy
As I said, going 36 in a 35 is also "illegal".So many emotions over this comment.
The definition of collusion has "illegal" in it.
While illegal, I think it is perfectly acceptable to go 36 in a 35, do you not agree??
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I guess I will be done with this for now, unless the OP decises to provide some legit detail so we know what happened exactly.
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
36 is illegal in a 35, just because you dont agree does not mean its not illegal.As I said, going 36 in a 35 is also "illegal".So many emotions over this comment.
The definition of collusion has "illegal" in it.
While illegal, I think it is perfectly acceptable to go 36 in a 35, do you not agree??
I also think it is pretty blatant from the number of your posts and comments that you are involved in this trade in the league discussed.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Nope, just bored workin a night shift.
I never said I dont agree about 36 being illegal. I said it IS illegal by the letter of the law. I just think it is also acceptable assuming safe driving conditions.
I better not see you going 36 in any 35s out there mr law abiding citizen.
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chickensoup
Footballguy
Sure, but who cares? Coordination of screwing someone over on FFA waivers is no different then those people just picking the players up independently. This actually increases the competition in the league which in 100% of cases is a good thing.
The worst thing that happens in fantasy sports is teams giving up after 8-10 weeks because they can't win. That screws over competition much more often than actual consequential collusion ever does. The 2-10 team who gave up 4 weeks ago facing the guy who has to win to make the playoffs happens all the time. Two guys making a completely uneven trade in exchange for something probably happens on rare occasions.
This case appears to be a case of "#### that guy". I don't know what he did to piss off 3 other people that they want him out of contention, but he did something. Maybe he messed around with their sisters, or left them at a bar when he was the DD. Maybe he rejects all trade offers not vastly in his favor. Who knows?
Sure by definition its collusion, but it's completely inconsequential. If the guy getting "screwed" is affected, it appears (with what little info were given) to be his own fault. People don't go to planning on screwing a guys playoff hopes on a whim
I Am the Stig
Footballguy
How do you accomplish preventing someone from picking up a FA?Wrong. If three other owners worked together to accomplish this, that is, by definition, collusion.It just is. Anyone saying otherwise doesn't know what it means. Nothing else matters other than they worked together to collectively and detrimentally affect another team. Collusion.Not Collusion.
Perhaps next time team will pick up a replacement for questionable player
Pipes
Footballguy
I don't think the guy did anything...sound like he just has a really good team that maybe had some tough luck with the schedules or early injuries so nobody wants to play him know. The Gronk owner in my big money league is like that 1 game out but scoring the most points 2 of the last 3 weeks. I don't want to see him in the playoffs. I completely a agree with your last paragraph that it's the own guys fault.Sure, but who cares? Coordination of screwing someone over on FFA waivers is no different then those people just picking the players up independently. This actually increases the competition in the league which in 100% of cases is a good thing.
The worst thing that happens in fantasy sports is teams giving up after 8-10 weeks because they can't win. That screws over competition much more often than actual consequential collusion ever does. The 2-10 team who gave up 4 weeks ago facing the guy who has to win to make the playoffs happens all the time. Two guys making a completely uneven trade in exchange for something probably happens on rare occasions.
This case appears to be a case of "#### that guy". I don't know what he did to piss off 3 other people that they want him out of contention, but he did something. Maybe he messed around with their sisters, or left them at a bar when he was the DD. Maybe he rejects all trade offers not vastly in his favor. Who knows?
Sure by definition its collusion, but it's completely inconsequential. If the guy getting "screwed" is affected, it appears (with what little info were given) to be his own fault. People don't go to planning on screwing a guys playoff hopes on a whim
Pipes
Footballguy
How big is you league where this effected team has no one to pick up and plug in? Even in the 16 team leagues with large benches there is always someone to pick up. They may be crap but someone is available.
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
Owner1: picks up Fleener
Owner2: picks up Tamme
Owner3: picks up N.Paul
Owner3:''Hey OP looks like you'll be a bit short handed at TE this week''
Owner2: ''LOL''
Owner1: ''thats too bad''
OP:
Owner2: picks up Tamme
Owner3: picks up N.Paul
Owner3:''Hey OP looks like you'll be a bit short handed at TE this week''
Owner2: ''LOL''
Owner1: ''thats too bad''
OP:
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Hurl Bruce
Footballguy
I was in a league where I had Gronk and whomever I had as his backup both get injured during the same week last year.
I was down in the pecking order for waivers that week, and came to find that a whole group of other owners, who happen to work together, all picked up every reasonable TE that was available. They also got another owner, the guy who can't think for himself and drafts dudes that retired or have been cut already, to do the same.
Of course, I couldn't prove it, but those #######s all got together, talked about it, and made a calculated move to screw me over.
Not sure if that is what you are talking about with your league, but I called my instance textbook collusion.
I quit that league.
I was down in the pecking order for waivers that week, and came to find that a whole group of other owners, who happen to work together, all picked up every reasonable TE that was available. They also got another owner, the guy who can't think for himself and drafts dudes that retired or have been cut already, to do the same.
Of course, I couldn't prove it, but those #######s all got together, talked about it, and made a calculated move to screw me over.
Not sure if that is what you are talking about with your league, but I called my instance textbook collusion.
I quit that league.
