Colston targetting week 8 return (1 Viewer)

[Interseptopus]

You do realize hes been able to run around and stay in shape all throughout this injury. His thumb will be a little sore but it will be completely healed once the cast comes off (otherwise they wouldnt remove). So if his cast comes off next week, he'll have about 1-2 weeks to improve his flexibility in his hand and get some soreness out. Plus football players take these things called painkillers. So in other words, he'll be 100% at most 2 weeks after the cast comes which is week 8. Like I said speculating on week 12-13 is comepletely and utterly laughable.

You have no possible way of knowing what stage of recovery Colston will be in when his cast comes off. I happen to think your week 8 forecast is a reasonable guess, but let's not pretend we know more about the situation than we do. It's all speculation.

Yes I do. They wont take the cast off unless its completely healed. Now if you wanna argue that they may not take the cast off next week then I agree. We wont know until it happens.

Not 100% true. The cast is removed partially because they don't want to cause any further deconditioning to his thumb musculature- further loss in ROM, further decrease in strength. Healing occurs in 3 stages... first stage lasts about 3 weeks, for which immobilization typically occurs. Second stage lasts about another 4 weeks, which focuses more on getting the tissue used to moving and back to its original state. The third stage occurs until 6 months to a year where the body slowly adapts and replaces tissues. This goes the same for any tissue (bone, muscle, ligament).

Chances are his thumb isn't just magically "all better" after only 3 weeks of immobilization. He still has some healing to do, but the benefits from immobilization are done after 3-4 weeks, after that you're only hurting yourself by the effects of deconditioning.

Yes, his thumb is for the most part healed- meaning chances of him re-injuring are low, as long as he works within his range of comfort, but he isn't just all better after surgery and 3-4 weeks of casting. Lots of repair still has to occur with the repair sites of the ligament

 

[blackjack23]

You do realize hes been able to run around and stay in shape all throughout this injury. His thumb will be a little sore but it will be completely healed once the cast comes off (otherwise they wouldnt remove). So if his cast comes off next week, he'll have about 1-2 weeks to improve his flexibility in his hand and get some soreness out. Plus football players take these things called painkillers. So in other words, he'll be 100% at most 2 weeks after the cast comes which is week 8. Like I said speculating on week 12-13 is comepletely and utterly laughable.

You have no possible way of knowing what stage of recovery Colston will be in when his cast comes off. I happen to think your week 8 forecast is a reasonable guess, but let's not pretend we know more about the situation than we do. It's all speculation.

Yes I do. They wont take the cast off unless its completely healed. Now if you wanna argue that they may not take the cast off next week then I agree. We wont know until it happens.

Not 100% true. The cast is removed partially because they don't want to cause any further deconditioning to his thumb musculature- further loss in ROM, further decrease in strength. Healing occurs in 3 stages... first stage lasts about 3 weeks, for which immobilization typically occurs. Second stage lasts about another 4 weeks, which focuses more on getting the tissue used to moving and back to its original state. The third stage occurs until 6 months to a year where the body slowly adapts and replaces tissues. This goes the same for any tissue (bone, muscle, ligament).

Chances are his thumb isn't just magically "all better" after only 3 weeks of immobilization. He still has some healing to do, but the benefits from immobilization are done after 3-4 weeks, after that you're only hurting yourself by the effects of deconditioning.

Yes, his thumb is for the most part healed- meaning chances of him re-injuring are low, as long as he works within his range of comfort, but he isn't just all better after surgery and 3-4 weeks of casting. Lots of repair still has to occur with the repair sites of the ligament

Wow thanks for the explanation

 

[-baller]

Dude. Epitome of why I joined FBG.

Sorry that I am intelligent and am trying to share that intelligence with others curious about Colston's condition. You can listen to a beat writer speculate about a player but you can't listen to someone who has a doctorate degree in physical therapy? Seems backwards to meYou don't like it, then don't read it. Sorry if it's over your head... I'll try to dumb it down next time for you

apparently, not as intelligent as you thought....good info, though -- thx for that, if not the attitude.

 

[davearm]

You do realize hes been able to run around and stay in shape all throughout this injury. His thumb will be a little sore but it will be completely healed once the cast comes off (otherwise they wouldnt remove). So if his cast comes off next week, he'll have about 1-2 weeks to improve his flexibility in his hand and get some soreness out. Plus football players take these things called painkillers. So in other words, he'll be 100% at most 2 weeks after the cast comes which is week 8. Like I said speculating on week 12-13 is comepletely and utterly laughable.

You have no possible way of knowing what stage of recovery Colston will be in when his cast comes off. I happen to think your week 8 forecast is a reasonable guess, but let's not pretend we know more about the situation than we do. It's all speculation.

Yes I do. They wont take the cast off unless its completely healed. Now if you wanna argue that they may not take the cast off next week then I agree. We wont know until it happens.

So you're saying there's zero chance that the doctor could remove the cast, examine the thumb, and then based upon that examination, elect to put Colston in a soft cast, brace, splint, or any other sort of less restrictive and/or removable immobilizer?If so, you're kidding yourself. Any number of scenarios are possible, not just the two you're considering (completely healed, or cast stays on).

Heck they may take the cast off and say, go ahead and begin rehabbing it, but wear this air cast at night so you don't sleep on it funny and damage it while it continues to heal. That wouldn't be at all uncommon.

 

[Bri]

As with most players returning from injury, he'll be rusty..Colston *might* come back in week 8 but won't look like the Pro Bowl WR that he is, until week 12-13..or in other words, he's useless for fantasy teams the remainder of the fantasy football season, but will probably have decent value in the fantasy post season,weeks 14-16...

I'm afraid he's right. Can you tell me why he's not?

Cuz its a ####in hand

useful post, thanks

You do realize hes been able to run around and stay in shape all throughout this injury. His thumb will be a little sore but it will be completely healed once the cast comes off (otherwise they wouldnt remove). So if his cast comes off next week, he'll have about 1-2 weeks to improve his flexibility in his hand and get some soreness out. Plus football players take these things called painkillers. So in other words, he'll be 100% at most 2 weeks after the cast comes which is week 8. Like I said speculating on week 12-13 is comepletely and utterly laughable.

The original statement was that he won't play like a pro bowl Wide Receiver til week 12-13 not that he wouldn't play until week 12-13.Pain is secondary and pain killers may not be given to Colston for this during the game. His touch or the dexterity of his thumb and the ability to close onto a ball and catch it is the main issue. A common issue after thumb surgery is the nerves and the thumb having a numb feeling. Initially, while Colston can watch the ball go into his hands and his mind knows the pattern of a ball in flight hitting his hands, he could lack that touch at the last second with a numb thumb. It's not uncommon for a Wide Receiver to have balls bounce off his hand after thumb surgery til he gets it all squared away. Numbing the pain but not numbing his touch seems difficult. I'm not sure how the Saints docs will deal with that, but they're surely well trained to handle that issue.

You do not know what ligament he tore in his thumb. He may have had surgery near the MCP of the thumb (metacarpal pharyngeal joint), which would make the incision for the surgery closer to the palm of the hand. This would not affect any sensation on the most distal aspect of the thumb (tip of the thumb); the only loss of sensation would be near the incision.Not to mention, any incision made would be on the dorsal side of the hand, therefore limiting the effects of numbness on the palmer side of the thumb, preserving sensation of touch.He may have some impaired sensation, but he won't feel like he has no thumbRegardless of his condition, he will have SOME sensation in his thumb. It's not like his thumb is completely numb. There is deep sensation and surface sensation. His surface sensation may be impaired, but his deep sensation will not be. So unless Colston's job relies on fine touch sensation (such as feeling a feather drape across the skin), his performance should not suffer much. When the ball impacts his hand, PAIN will NOT be secondary, it will be primary. He will be able to feel the ball with his deeper receptors.You can't assume he will have sensation issues since you do not know exactly where the incision was and how big it was. Just because he got cut into does not mean his entire C6 dermatome will be lost distal to the incision

good postWouldn't the body's reaction to pain in the hand or more specifically the thumb, be to not grip the object causing the pain? While gripping a football isn't gripping a hot piece of coal, how does pain play in here then?Much of your post is about what we don't necessarily know, yet we often(if not always) guess upon the extent of injuries knowing little details. Along those guessing lines, what is safe to assume here with nerves and pain and catching a football?

That's all we do in this forum- speculate. It's very possible he may have a loss of sensation... chances of it being so significant that he's just plain awful is low. But who knows. I would think their doctors took that into consideration while planning the surgery.As far as pain goes- they'll most likely shoot it up with lots of pain killers (direct injection) to avoid any affects of pain in his catching. His grip strength would be lower if he is in pain, as the body tries to protect itself. However, week 8 is a long ways away... more healing will occurThe main issue, which few people have addressed, but it has been brought up, is the range of motion. He will have some limits in ROM, especially after having his hand casted for 4 weeks. Chances are he will not be able to fully oppose, flex, extend his thumb. However, he is getting the cast removed next week, which then his therapists will work on the ROM and get him back to normal. By week 8 he should have close to full range of motion of his thumb, minimal pain.From what I've studied, this injury shouldn't hamper him past the bye week. He may have some residual pain, and he may have some referred numbness, but he shouldn't be hampered to the point where he won't be able to catch a football.As a Packer fan- if Antonio Freeman can have his career best year playing with a cast on his hand (which the cast would provide absolutely zero somatosensory feedback... aka touch), Colston can catch a ball with a little pain and a little numbness in his thumb

thanksI appreciate you taking the time to discuss

 

[Van Dyman]

I'm just waiting to find out how he's going to catch footballs w/a surgically repaired thumb that's been in a cast for a month.

Yep. I had similar injury. Took a week to feel MOBILE, then still felt weird - and some pain/sensitivity - for another week. About a month to feel totally back to normal. I've got Colston on my bench, hoping for the best, but I probably won't start him until I've seen him in a game and see if he catches fastballs ok.

 

[Hammerage]

Brandon Marshall had his arm nearly severed, surgically reattached with new tendons and everything and is playing like he has bionic arms and legs (slight exageration), I am sure that Colston can get back to form nearly immediately.

 

[identikit]

Brandon Marshall had his arm nearly severed, surgically reattached with new tendons and everything and is playing like he has bionic arms and legs (slight exageration), I am sure that Colston can get back to form nearly immediately.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Brandon Marshall had his arm nearly severed, surgically reattached with new tendons and everything and is playing like he has bionic arms and legs (slight exageration), I am sure that Colston can get back to form nearly immediately.

Paging Chaser.....This is a great idea for Marshall in the infamous weekly Chaser thread....Brandon Marshall is THE BIONIC MAN!!!

 

[hellz_fireflies]

Its a cast on his thumb..not like he's sitting on his butt all this time..how can he be rusty? Just no game action he still keeps in shape. But if they say week 8 might as well be after their bye in 9 so it be week 10!

 

[FFdork]

I'm too lazy to look for it, but didn't it get posted in this forum that the cast was removed previously? I'm sure this was incorrect, but what happened to him saying he was targeting week 6?

 

[strong]

Dude. Epitome of why I joined FBG.

that's doctor. not dude.

 

[hellz_fireflies]

Marques Colston said this week that he hopes to return for the Saints' Week 8 game in London.

By that point, he will have missed six games. Colston will have the cast removed next week, then he will try to build up his strength in his surgically repaired thumb. The Saints haven't commented publicly on Colston's return recently; maybe that's because he's not close to coming back. Oct. 4 - 10:24 pm et

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

I know an old hockey player that returned from this injury in 28 days...

 

[Balance]

I know an old hockey player that returned from this injury in 28 days...

I returned from this injury about that quick... same diagnosis and surgery - 4 weeks.At the end of the day, it is a finger. You have 9 others to compensate with.Of course I wasn't worth millions of dollars... it was up to me not a doctor and team.

 

[-baller]

you have 10 thumbs?

 

[taz]

I get the feeling Colston will argue his point to get on the field Week 8, considering the game is in London on an international stage. Whether the Saints decide to hold him out and give him the extra two weeks remains to be seen.

 

[Ridgelake]

Any news on Colston?

 

[KingEl]

He was standing behind the coaches in a couple of tv shots last night, and I swear one time he had both his hands up and had just a little bandage on his thumb. Looked like the bigger cast that I had seen in a pict was gone... good news I hope

 

[taz]

This explains why I just received two separate offers for Colston with six minutes of each other:

Tue, Oct 7 Larry Holder, of the Biloxi Sun-Herald, reports New Orleans Saints WR Marques Colston (thumb) may be able to return for the team's Week 7 game.(KFFL)

Can't find a link, though.If this is true, then

 

[Lobary]

I get the feeling Colston will argue his point to get on the field Week 8, considering the game is in London on an international stage. Whether the Saints decide to hold him out and give him the extra two weeks remains to be seen.

I suspect he plays week 7 (@Car) because it's a critical game against a divisional opponent.

 

[KingEl]

Sean Payton was on Sirius this morning- The host asked him about Shockey's return. he said "Shockey should be back within two weeks" He then said "Marquis is another guy who should be back WITHIN two weeks" He then mentioned several other injured players and said "about two or three weeks" The host then said "Have you considered just resting some of the injured players like Shockey and Colsten until after the bye? Payton said "no, I would expect Marquis to be back by the San Diego game, but its also realistic to have him ready for the Carolina game" In the conversation, he threw out a couple more "Marquis has a realistic goal to be ready for Carolina" " I would expect to have most of the guys ready for San Diego" etc..

Seemed like concrete strong news.... There is a light at the end of the tunnel

 

[Sylira21]

Oh my, that's a relief.

I'm still wondering how much he really knows though. If the cast hasn't been taken off yet, how can anyone really know how well he has healed or how well the thumb will respond? Or am I just displaying my medical ignorance again?

 

[mike303]

I'm a believer. I just traded Julius Jones, Berrian, and a draft pick to get Colston in a Zealot league.

 

[Lobary]

Sean Payton was on Sirius this morning- The host asked him about Shockey's return. he said "Shockey should be back within two weeks" He then said "Marquis is another guy who should be back WITHIN two weeks" He then mentioned several other injured players and said "about two or three weeks" The host then said "Have you considered just resting some of the injured players like Shockey and Colsten until after the bye? Payton said "no, I would expect Marquis to be back by the San Diego game, but its also realistic to have him ready for the Carolina game" In the conversation, he threw out a couple more "Marquis has a realistic goal to be ready for Carolina" " I would expect to have most of the guys ready for San Diego" etc..

Seemed like concrete strong news.... There is a light at the end of the tunnel

Also confirmed in the Picayune.LINK

 

[davearm]

Sean Payton was on Sirius this morning- The host asked him about Shockey's return. he said "Shockey should be back within two weeks" He then said "Marquis is another guy who should be back WITHIN two weeks" He then mentioned several other injured players and said "about two or three weeks" The host then said "Have you considered just resting some of the injured players like Shockey and Colsten until after the bye? Payton said "no, I would expect Marquis to be back by the San Diego game, but its also realistic to have him ready for the Carolina game" In the conversation, he threw out a couple more "Marquis has a realistic goal to be ready for Carolina" " I would expect to have most of the guys ready for San Diego" etc..

Seemed like concrete strong news.... There is a light at the end of the tunnel

Ugh just when I had almost forgotten about the Cubs.