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Colston targetting week 8 return (1 Viewer)
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Lobary
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Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
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Tanner9919
Footballguy
As with most players returning from injury, he'll be rusty..Colston *might* come back in week 8 but won't look like the Pro Bowl WR that he is, until week 12-13..or in other words, he's useless for fantasy teams the remainder of the fantasy football season, but will probably have decent value in the fantasy post season,weeks 14-16...
crowe1130
Footballguy
I'd expect him to knock the rust off a little sooner than that. This wasn't a knee or ankle injury. That being said, week 8 sounds more optimistic than realistic, especially with a week 9 bye.
ceo3west
Footballguy
Thats terrible news. 2 days ago someone reported he was targetting week 6.
crnerblitz
Footballguy
kupcho1
Footballguy
duece2626
Footballguy
Obviously this guy did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night! Seriously, useless the rest of the year? 4-5 weeks until he returns to form?
blackjack23
Footballguy
you didn't feel like looking it up either?
This is the issue right here.Anyone that's been in a cast knows that joints get calcified, muscles atrophy, etc. Strength and range of motion don't return instantly. Things should improve in a week or two, but anyone that thinks Colston's going to be playing in a game the same week that cast comes off is not being realistic.I'm afraid he's right. Can you tell me why he's not?
tombonneau
Footballguy
I agree. But isn't the cast coming off next week? That means he'll be 2-3 weeks post-cast by the time he gets on the field. Plenty of time. Again, this is the same injury he had in college, and he was able to catch footballs then. I'm not at all worried about how he'll perform on the field. What I'm worried about, is now long it will take him to get back on to the field to perform ...
Anyone that's been in a cast knows that joints get calcified, muscles atrophy, etc. Strength and range of motion don't return instantly.
Things should improve in a week or two, but anyone that thinks Colston's going to be playing in a game the same week that cast comes off is not being realistic.
Gopher State
Footballguy
sounds like your trying to trade for Colston
duece2626
Footballguy
sounds like your trying to trade for Colston
taz
Footballguy
I agree. But isn't the cast coming off next week? That means he'll be 2-3 weeks post-cast by the time he gets on the field. Plenty of time. Again, this is the same injury he had in college, and he was able to catch footballs then. I'm not at all worried about how he'll perform on the field. What I'm worried about, is now long it will take him to get back on to the field to perform ...
Anyone that's been in a cast knows that joints get calcified, muscles atrophy, etc. Strength and range of motion don't return instantly.
Things should improve in a week or two, but anyone that thinks Colston's going to be playing in a game the same week that cast comes off is not being realistic.
I'm tempering my expectations and expecting him to come back fully healthy after the bye, with some sick matchups:Nov. 9 @ ATL
Nov 16 @ KAN
Nov 24 GNB
If he's able to make it back Week 8, great. But I'm not counting on him.
Edit to add: A couple of shrewd owners made separate low-ball offers for Colston this week, so they must be sensing he'll be back at full strength.
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Deepster
Footballguy
I had ligament surgery on my right thumb (I'm righty) a couple years ago. You're exactly right about the range of motion and strength. It was a good month before I could swing a golf club without a lot of pain. I can't imagine having a football whipped at me and taking hits on it a week or two afterwards. I realize all people and procedures are different, but I'd proceed with caution.
blackjack23
Footballguy
Cuz its a ####in handI'm afraid he's right. Can you tell me why he's not?
useful post, thanksCuz its a ####in handI'm afraid he's right. Can you tell me why he's not?
Lobary
Footballguy
In 2006 David Givens had the same surgery as Colston and returned five weeks later. Last year Anthony Gonzalez dislocated his thumb with a possible torn ligament and came back three weeks later (and played well). I'm sure their thumbs hurt like a mother, as will Colston's, but they only have sixteen chances to play. Pain is a constant regardless.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
From a BEAT WRITERSeriously, you guys need to check the source of information before you believe it
Interseptopus
Footballguy
It's called corticosteriods... wipes out any pain. He will be fine. Range of motion and strength will be decreased, but week 10 he will look like a #1 WR for your fantasy team. Week 8 he may be rusty, but he is still worth a start
wasted space 25
Footballguy
Yea guys come on be realistic. He has the best doctors and the best medicine around. Not to mention the shady of all shady trainers that will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to get their best WR back on the field. If you traded for him im assuming you traded for the last quarter of the season's production anyways. I traded Andre for Colston and Ray Rice in my dynasty league and i couldnt be happier. Just pulled off 85 for Colston in a re-draft yesterday. I'd keep trying to make a move for him now. I bet his price just got cheaper too.
blackjack23
Footballguy
You do realize hes been able to run around and stay in shape all throughout this injury. His thumb will be a little sore but it will be completely healed once the cast comes off (otherwise they wouldnt remove). So if his cast comes off next week, he'll have about 1-2 weeks to improve his flexibility in his hand and get some soreness out. Plus football players take these things called painkillers. So in other words, he'll be 100% at most 2 weeks after the cast comes which is week 8. Like I said speculating on week 12-13 is comepletely and utterly laughable.useful post, thanksCuz its a ####in handI'm afraid he's right. Can you tell me why he's not?
Interseptopus
Footballguy
You do realize hes been able to run around and stay in shape all throughout this injury. His thumb will be a little sore but it will be completely healed once the cast comes off (otherwise they wouldnt remove). So if his cast comes off next week, he'll have about 1-2 weeks to improve his flexibility in his hand and get some soreness out. Plus football players take these things called painkillers. So in other words, he'll be 100% at most 2 weeks after the cast comes which is week 8. Like I said speculating on week 12-13 is comepletely and utterly laughable.useful post, thanksCuz its a ####in handI'm afraid he's right. Can you tell me why he's not?
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Lobary
Footballguy
You do realize hes been able to run around and stay in shape all throughout this injury. His thumb will be a little sore but it will be completely healed once the cast comes off (otherwise they wouldnt remove). So if his cast comes off next week, he'll have about 1-2 weeks to improve his flexibility in his hand and get some soreness out. Plus football players take these things called painkillers. So in other words, he'll be 100% at most 2 weeks after the cast comes which is week 8. Like I said speculating on week 12-13 is comepletely and utterly laughable.useful post, thanksCuz its a ####in handI'm afraid he's right. Can you tell me why he's not?
timschochet
Footballguy
What will be the impact on Lance Moore. Not now, but when Colston comes back?
The original statement was that he won't play like a pro bowl Wide Receiver til week 12-13 not that he wouldn't play until week 12-13.Pain is secondary and pain killers may not be given to Colston for this during the game. His touch or the dexterity of his thumb and the ability to close onto a ball and catch it is the main issue. A common issue after thumb surgery is the nerves and the thumb having a numb feeling. Initially, while Colston can watch the ball go into his hands and his mind knows the pattern of a ball in flight hitting his hands, he could lack that touch at the last second with a numb thumb. It's not uncommon for a Wide Receiver to have balls bounce off his hand after thumb surgery til he gets it all squared away. Numbing the pain but not numbing his touch seems difficult. I'm not sure how the Saints docs will deal with that, but they're surely well trained to handle that issue.You do realize hes been able to run around and stay in shape all throughout this injury. His thumb will be a little sore but it will be completely healed once the cast comes off (otherwise they wouldnt remove). So if his cast comes off next week, he'll have about 1-2 weeks to improve his flexibility in his hand and get some soreness out. Plus football players take these things called painkillers. So in other words, he'll be 100% at most 2 weeks after the cast comes which is week 8. Like I said speculating on week 12-13 is comepletely and utterly laughable.useful post, thanksCuz its a ####in handI'm afraid he's right. Can you tell me why he's not?
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
You do not know what ligament he tore in his thumb. He may have had surgery near the MCP of the thumb (metacarpal pharyngeal joint), which would make the incision for the surgery closer to the palm of the hand. This would not affect any sensation on the most distal aspect of the thumb (tip of the thumb); the only loss of sensation would be near the incision.Not to mention, any incision made would be on the dorsal side of the hand, therefore limiting the effects of numbness on the palmer side of the thumb, preserving sensation of touch.He may have some impaired sensation, but he won't feel like he has no thumbRegardless of his condition, he will have SOME sensation in his thumb. It's not like his thumb is completely numb. There is deep sensation and surface sensation. His surface sensation may be impaired, but his deep sensation will not be. So unless Colston's job relies on fine touch sensation (such as feeling a feather drape across the skin), his performance should not suffer much. When the ball impacts his hand, PAIN will NOT be secondary, it will be primary. He will be able to feel the ball with his deeper receptors.You can't assume he will have sensation issues since you do not know exactly where the incision was and how big it was. Just because he got cut into does not mean his entire C6 dermatome will be lost distal to the incisionThe original statement was that he won't play like a pro bowl Wide Receiver til week 12-13 not that he wouldn't play until week 12-13.Pain is secondary and pain killers may not be given to Colston for this during the game. His touch or the dexterity of his thumb and the ability to close onto a ball and catch it is the main issue. A common issue after thumb surgery is the nerves and the thumb having a numb feeling. Initially, while Colston can watch the ball go into his hands and his mind knows the pattern of a ball in flight hitting his hands, he could lack that touch at the last second with a numb thumb. It's not uncommon for a Wide Receiver to have balls bounce off his hand after thumb surgery til he gets it all squared away. Numbing the pain but not numbing his touch seems difficult. I'm not sure how the Saints docs will deal with that, but they're surely well trained to handle that issue.You do realize hes been able to run around and stay in shape all throughout this injury. His thumb will be a little sore but it will be completely healed once the cast comes off (otherwise they wouldnt remove). So if his cast comes off next week, he'll have about 1-2 weeks to improve his flexibility in his hand and get some soreness out. Plus football players take these things called painkillers. So in other words, he'll be 100% at most 2 weeks after the cast comes which is week 8. Like I said speculating on week 12-13 is comepletely and utterly laughable.useful post, thanksCuz its a ####in handI'm afraid he's right. Can you tell me why he's not?
bizkliz
Footballguy
You do not know what ligament he tore in his thumb. He may have had surgery near the MCP of the thumb (metacarpal pharyngeal joint), which would make the incision for the surgery closer to the palm of the hand. This would not affect any sensation on the most distal aspect of the thumb (tip of the thumb); the only loss of sensation would be near the incision.Not to mention, any incision made would be on the dorsal side of the hand, therefore limiting the effects of numbness on the palmer side of the thumb, preserving sensation of touch.He may have some impaired sensation, but he won't feel like he has no thumbRegardless of his condition, he will have SOME sensation in his thumb. It's not like his thumb is completely numb. There is deep sensation and surface sensation. His surface sensation may be impaired, but his deep sensation will not be. So unless Colston's job relies on fine touch sensation (such as feeling a feather drape across the skin), his performance should not suffer much. When the ball impacts his hand, PAIN will NOT be secondary, it will be primary. He will be able to feel the ball with his deeper receptors.You can't assume he will have sensation issues since you do not know exactly where the incision was and how big it was. Just because he got cut into does not mean his entire C6 dermatome will be lost distal to the incisionThe original statement was that he won't play like a pro bowl Wide Receiver til week 12-13 not that he wouldn't play until week 12-13.Pain is secondary and pain killers may not be given to Colston for this during the game. His touch or the dexterity of his thumb and the ability to close onto a ball and catch it is the main issue. A common issue after thumb surgery is the nerves and the thumb having a numb feeling. Initially, while Colston can watch the ball go into his hands and his mind knows the pattern of a ball in flight hitting his hands, he could lack that touch at the last second with a numb thumb. It's not uncommon for a Wide Receiver to have balls bounce off his hand after thumb surgery til he gets it all squared away. Numbing the pain but not numbing his touch seems difficult. I'm not sure how the Saints docs will deal with that, but they're surely well trained to handle that issue.You do realize hes been able to run around and stay in shape all throughout this injury. His thumb will be a little sore but it will be completely healed once the cast comes off (otherwise they wouldnt remove). So if his cast comes off next week, he'll have about 1-2 weeks to improve his flexibility in his hand and get some soreness out. Plus football players take these things called painkillers. So in other words, he'll be 100% at most 2 weeks after the cast comes which is week 8. Like I said speculating on week 12-13 is comepletely and utterly laughable.useful post, thanksCuz its a ####in handI'm afraid he's right. Can you tell me why he's not?
good postWouldn't the body's reaction to pain in the hand or more specifically the thumb, be to not grip the object causing the pain? While gripping a football isn't gripping a hot piece of coal, how does pain play in here then?Much of your post is about what we don't necessarily know, yet we often(if not always) guess upon the extent of injuries knowing little details. Along those guessing lines, what is safe to assume here with nerves and pain and catching a football?You do not know what ligament he tore in his thumb. He may have had surgery near the MCP of the thumb (metacarpal pharyngeal joint), which would make the incision for the surgery closer to the palm of the hand. This would not affect any sensation on the most distal aspect of the thumb (tip of the thumb); the only loss of sensation would be near the incision.Not to mention, any incision made would be on the dorsal side of the hand, therefore limiting the effects of numbness on the palmer side of the thumb, preserving sensation of touch.He may have some impaired sensation, but he won't feel like he has no thumbRegardless of his condition, he will have SOME sensation in his thumb. It's not like his thumb is completely numb. There is deep sensation and surface sensation. His surface sensation may be impaired, but his deep sensation will not be. So unless Colston's job relies on fine touch sensation (such as feeling a feather drape across the skin), his performance should not suffer much. When the ball impacts his hand, PAIN will NOT be secondary, it will be primary. He will be able to feel the ball with his deeper receptors.You can't assume he will have sensation issues since you do not know exactly where the incision was and how big it was. Just because he got cut into does not mean his entire C6 dermatome will be lost distal to the incisionThe original statement was that he won't play like a pro bowl Wide Receiver til week 12-13 not that he wouldn't play until week 12-13.Pain is secondary and pain killers may not be given to Colston for this during the game. His touch or the dexterity of his thumb and the ability to close onto a ball and catch it is the main issue. A common issue after thumb surgery is the nerves and the thumb having a numb feeling. Initially, while Colston can watch the ball go into his hands and his mind knows the pattern of a ball in flight hitting his hands, he could lack that touch at the last second with a numb thumb. It's not uncommon for a Wide Receiver to have balls bounce off his hand after thumb surgery til he gets it all squared away. Numbing the pain but not numbing his touch seems difficult. I'm not sure how the Saints docs will deal with that, but they're surely well trained to handle that issue.You do realize hes been able to run around and stay in shape all throughout this injury. His thumb will be a little sore but it will be completely healed once the cast comes off (otherwise they wouldnt remove). So if his cast comes off next week, he'll have about 1-2 weeks to improve his flexibility in his hand and get some soreness out. Plus football players take these things called painkillers. So in other words, he'll be 100% at most 2 weeks after the cast comes which is week 8. Like I said speculating on week 12-13 is comepletely and utterly laughable.useful post, thanksCuz its a ####in handI'm afraid he's right. Can you tell me why he's not?
wasted space 25
Footballguy
Hey isnt Brandon Marshall's right forearm tendon still numb?
Interseptopus
Footballguy
That's all we do in this forum- speculate. It's very possible he may have a loss of sensation... chances of it being so significant that he's just plain awful is low. But who knows. I would think their doctors took that into consideration while planning the surgery.As far as pain goes- they'll most likely shoot it up with lots of pain killers (direct injection) to avoid any affects of pain in his catching. His grip strength would be lower if he is in pain, as the body tries to protect itself. However, week 8 is a long ways away... more healing will occurThe main issue, which few people have addressed, but it has been brought up, is the range of motion. He will have some limits in ROM, especially after having his hand casted for 4 weeks. Chances are he will not be able to fully oppose, flex, extend his thumb. However, he is getting the cast removed next week, which then his therapists will work on the ROM and get him back to normal. By week 8 he should have close to full range of motion of his thumb, minimal pain.From what I've studied, this injury shouldn't hamper him past the bye week. He may have some residual pain, and he may have some referred numbness, but he shouldn't be hampered to the point where he won't be able to catch a football.As a Packer fan- if Antonio Freeman can have his career best year playing with a cast on his hand (which the cast would provide absolutely zero somatosensory feedback... aka touch), Colston can catch a ball with a little pain and a little numbness in his thumbgood postWouldn't the body's reaction to pain in the hand or more specifically the thumb, be to not grip the object causing the pain? While gripping a football isn't gripping a hot piece of coal, how does pain play in here then?Much of your post is about what we don't necessarily know, yet we often(if not always) guess upon the extent of injuries knowing little details. Along those guessing lines, what is safe to assume here with nerves and pain and catching a football?You do not know what ligament he tore in his thumb. He may have had surgery near the MCP of the thumb (metacarpal pharyngeal joint), which would make the incision for the surgery closer to the palm of the hand. This would not affect any sensation on the most distal aspect of the thumb (tip of the thumb); the only loss of sensation would be near the incision.Not to mention, any incision made would be on the dorsal side of the hand, therefore limiting the effects of numbness on the palmer side of the thumb, preserving sensation of touch.He may have some impaired sensation, but he won't feel like he has no thumbRegardless of his condition, he will have SOME sensation in his thumb. It's not like his thumb is completely numb. There is deep sensation and surface sensation. His surface sensation may be impaired, but his deep sensation will not be. So unless Colston's job relies on fine touch sensation (such as feeling a feather drape across the skin), his performance should not suffer much. When the ball impacts his hand, PAIN will NOT be secondary, it will be primary. He will be able to feel the ball with his deeper receptors.You can't assume he will have sensation issues since you do not know exactly where the incision was and how big it was. Just because he got cut into does not mean his entire C6 dermatome will be lost distal to the incisionThe original statement was that he won't play like a pro bowl Wide Receiver til week 12-13 not that he wouldn't play until week 12-13.Pain is secondary and pain killers may not be given to Colston for this during the game. His touch or the dexterity of his thumb and the ability to close onto a ball and catch it is the main issue. A common issue after thumb surgery is the nerves and the thumb having a numb feeling. Initially, while Colston can watch the ball go into his hands and his mind knows the pattern of a ball in flight hitting his hands, he could lack that touch at the last second with a numb thumb. It's not uncommon for a Wide Receiver to have balls bounce off his hand after thumb surgery til he gets it all squared away. Numbing the pain but not numbing his touch seems difficult. I'm not sure how the Saints docs will deal with that, but they're surely well trained to handle that issue.You do realize hes been able to run around and stay in shape all throughout this injury. His thumb will be a little sore but it will be completely healed once the cast comes off (otherwise they wouldnt remove). So if his cast comes off next week, he'll have about 1-2 weeks to improve his flexibility in his hand and get some soreness out. Plus football players take these things called painkillers. So in other words, he'll be 100% at most 2 weeks after the cast comes which is week 8. Like I said speculating on week 12-13 is comepletely and utterly laughable.useful post, thanksCuz its a ####in handI'm afraid he's right. Can you tell me why he's not?
I didn't ask him in my last conversation. I will make sure to next time.Two completely different injuries, two completely different surgical procedures, two completely different prognoses
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MCguidance
Footballguy
Dude. Epitome of why I joined FBG.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Well anyway I just cancelled my trade offer.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Sorry that I am intelligent and am trying to share that intelligence with others curious about Colston's condition. You can listen to a beat writer speculate about a player but you can't listen to someone who has a doctorate degree in physical therapy? Seems backwards to meYou don't like it, then don't read it. Sorry if it's over your head... I'll try to dumb it down next time for you
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MCguidance
Footballguy
Huh? I said your post was the reason I love FBGs, because of it's quality. I wasn't being sarcastic at all.ETA: I assumed you were very smart, which made me respect it that much more. I love football but know little about the physical workings of the body. If we were talking politics, however, that would be a different story, lol.
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Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
You took that as an insult?
Interseptopus
Footballguy
My apologies. Took it as coated heavily in sarcasm. Reason #1 why I dislike the internet
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
I took his post as a compliment to you. Maybe it's just me.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
With Bri arguing with me about his condition, I sensed negativity automatically. Like I said, my mistake. I suppose I shouldn't always assume the negative. Half the people in this forum would roll their eyes at a post that has a heavy dose of jargon in it.I took his post as a compliment to you. Maybe it's just me.
I see somebody stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night...
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Going back to Colston-
I think if you can get him for cheap now would be the time. If you wait any longer his owner won't deal just because he held onto him that long, why give him up now?
Chances are the Colston owner in your league is struggling- I know I am (1-3, finally with Lance Moore now... should be 2-2 but I botched a TE start week 2).
Now's the time to go for Colston if you can. He'll pay off big time weeks 10-16
I think if you can get him for cheap now would be the time. If you wait any longer his owner won't deal just because he held onto him that long, why give him up now?
Chances are the Colston owner in your league is struggling- I know I am (1-3, finally with Lance Moore now... should be 2-2 but I botched a TE start week 2).
Now's the time to go for Colston if you can. He'll pay off big time weeks 10-16
You have no possible way of knowing what stage of recovery Colston will be in when his cast comes off. I happen to think your week 8 forecast is a reasonable guess, but let's not pretend we know more about the situation than we do. It's all speculation.
blackjack23
Footballguy
Yes I do. They wont take the cast off unless its completely healed. Now if you wanna argue that they may not take the cast off next week then I agree. We wont know until it happens.
