Colts at Patriots (1 Viewer)

[biju]

is the Pats defense playing well or is Luck playing that bad?

Luck really hasn't played good all year. He just gets so many attempts that he puts up big yardage.

His last 3 games have been pretty good...

Had a solid game vs. the Vikes early in the year also

The games against the Jags, Dolphins, and Titans? Well, I suppose you can get excited about beating those teams.

So.... you're saying you were wrong?

Ok, I'm wrong on the games against the worst teams in the league. When you're averaging a 55% completion rate you're throwing just above JaMarcus Russell. Just because the guy gets yardage doesn't mean he's doing it particularly well.Fantasy football really screws with people's perception of what is a great performance I guess.

You're welcome to check the game log stats with me next time.

You play who's on the schedule..he's done well recently and an awful team from last year is eyeing a playoff spot.

Obviously today he struggled at times but like someone wrote he played well for the most part in a game vs a superior opponent. Fact is the Colts are over achieving but Luck has been a bright spot for a team that won what 2 games last year with basically the same roster.

Ok. Today he was 27 completions on 50 passes. That's 54%. He had 2 TDs with 3 INTs, plus one that should have been an INT. Two pick-6s in the game.Yeah, he played pretty well.

 

[money.never.sleeps]

Sorry, I guess Im wrong.

 

[SoBeDad]

Completion rate should be adjusted for down and distance to equate QBs who have different o-lines, running games, etc. When adjusted for down and distance, Luck is good. On third and fourth downs, adjusted or un-adjusted for time and distance, Luck is fourth, while Rodgers is just 14th. On early downs, Luck must not be doing as well as Rodgers and many others. Part of that is his gunslinger mentality; part of it is that his receivers include an aging Wayne, a couple of rejects from other teams and some rookies. He also runs well and keeps many plays alive with pocket presence and strength. I'm not a homer. I've just watch a few of his games and have come away very impressed with his passing ability.

 

[money.never.sleeps]

Completion rate should be adjusted for down and distance to equate QBs who have different o-lines, running games, etc. When adjusted for down and distance, Luck is good. On third and fourth downs, adjusted or un-adjusted for time and distance, Luck is fourth, while Rodgers is just 14th. On early downs, Luck must not be doing as well as Rodgers and many others. Part of that is his gunslinger mentality; part of it is that his receivers include an aging Wayne, a couple of rejects from other teams and some rookies. He also runs well and keeps many plays alive with pocket presence and strength. I'm not a homer. I've just watch a few of his games and have come away very impressed with his passing ability.

Don't even try to use fantasy football perception to reason with biju.. it wont work. You need solid statistical information and or actual examples of game footage*.

 

[donkshow]

Colts were 1st in the league in 3rd and 10+ conversions before today.

Luck is playing fine. Not superb by any means, but he's playing fine and most people pegged the Colts to finish 4-12 at best. They already have 6 wins.

No complaints here.

 

[Balco]

Colts were 1st in the league in 3rd and 10+ conversions before today. Luck is playing fine. Not superb by any means, but he's playing fine and most people pegged the Colts to finish 4-12 at best. They already have 6 wins.No complaints here.

People seem to forget Peyton Manning's rookie year. Luck has all the tools, and will learn from games like this. They need to get him a running game, though.

 

[biju]

Completion rate should be adjusted for down and distance to equate QBs who have different o-lines, running games, etc. When adjusted for down and distance, Luck is good. On third and fourth downs, adjusted or un-adjusted for time and distance, Luck is fourth, while Rodgers is just 14th. On early downs, Luck must not be doing as well as Rodgers and many others. Part of that is his gunslinger mentality; part of it is that his receivers include an aging Wayne, a couple of rejects from other teams and some rookies. He also runs well and keeps many plays alive with pocket presence and strength. I'm not a homer. I've just watch a few of his games and have come away very impressed with his passing ability.

Don't even try to use fantasy football perception to reason with biju.. it wont work. You need solid statistical information and or actual examples of game footage*.

I'm not arguing this stat at all. What I'm arguing against is your qualitative view on Luck. This is one stat that shows potential, albeit against sub-par defenses. Completion rate and YPA all paint a different picture so as one stat looks good, others don't. Just because he's strong in one stat doesn't mean he's some elite QB, or really even doing good from a statistical standpoint. Luck has to be close to having the most INTs in the league too. How does that work into being one of the best? How often do the elite QBs in the league also lead the league in INTs?

 

[cstu]

Agreed, but I think he would have to take a huge discount to stay in New England. Pats need to spend their money elsewhere.

The Pats and Welker were not that far apart before the deadline hit on re-signing him to a long term deal. That was after Gronk signed but before Hernandez got his deal. I am not so sure the Pats won't make a concerted effort to keep Welker, but it would depend on how many years, the guaranteed money involved, and how much per year. I openly wonder what the market will be for a 32 year old slot receiver.

I could certainly see him returning to NE after finding out what his true market value is.

 

[audiolover]

Completion rate should be adjusted for down and distance to equate QBs who have different o-lines, running games, etc. When adjusted for down and distance, Luck is good. On third and fourth downs, adjusted or un-adjusted for time and distance, Luck is fourth, while Rodgers is just 14th. On early downs, Luck must not be doing as well as Rodgers and many others. Part of that is his gunslinger mentality; part of it is that his receivers include an aging Wayne, a couple of rejects from other teams and some rookies. He also runs well and keeps many plays alive with pocket presence and strength. I'm not a homer. I've just watch a few of his games and have come away very impressed with his passing ability.

Don't even try to use fantasy football perception to reason with biju.. it wont work. You need solid statistical information and or actual examples of game footage*.

I'm not arguing this stat at all. What I'm arguing against is your qualitative view on Luck. This is one stat that shows potential, albeit against sub-par defenses. Completion rate and YPA all paint a different picture so as one stat looks good, others don't. Just because he's strong in one stat doesn't mean he's some elite QB, or really even doing good from a statistical standpoint. Luck has to be close to having the most INTs in the league too. How does that work into being one of the best? How often do the elite QBs in the league also lead the league in INTs?

1998 interception leadersasses Intercepted

1. Peyton Manning · IND 28

2. Brett Favre · GNB 23

3. Jake Plummer · ARI 20

4. Craig Whelihan · SDG 19

5. Kordell Stewart · PIT 18

6. Donald Hollas · OAK 16

7. Kerry Collins · 2TM 15

Trent Dilfer · TAM 15

Ryan Leaf · SDG 15

Dan Marino · MIA 15

 

[donkshow]

Completion rate should be adjusted for down and distance to equate QBs who have different o-lines, running games, etc. When adjusted for down and distance, Luck is good. On third and fourth downs, adjusted or un-adjusted for time and distance, Luck is fourth, while Rodgers is just 14th. On early downs, Luck must not be doing as well as Rodgers and many others. Part of that is his gunslinger mentality; part of it is that his receivers include an aging Wayne, a couple of rejects from other teams and some rookies. He also runs well and keeps many plays alive with pocket presence and strength. I'm not a homer. I've just watch a few of his games and have come away very impressed with his passing ability.

Don't even try to use fantasy football perception to reason with biju.. it wont work. You need solid statistical information and or actual examples of game footage*.

I'm not arguing this stat at all. What I'm arguing against is your qualitative view on Luck. This is one stat that shows potential, albeit against sub-par defenses. Completion rate and YPA all paint a different picture so as one stat looks good, others don't. Just because he's strong in one stat doesn't mean he's some elite QB, or really even doing good from a statistical standpoint. Luck has to be close to having the most INTs in the league too. How does that work into being one of the best? How often do the elite QBs in the league also lead the league in INTs?

1998 interception leadersasses Intercepted

1. Peyton Manning · IND 28

2. Brett Favre · GNB 23

3. Jake Plummer · ARI 20

4. Craig Whelihan · SDG 19

5. Kordell Stewart · PIT 18

6. Donald Hollas · OAK 16

7. Kerry Collins · 2TM 15

Trent Dilfer · TAM 15

Ryan Leaf · SDG 15

Dan Marino · MIA 15

He's a rookie. Passing as much as he does he will make mistakes. He's still learning to read NFL D audibles, the speed of the NFL game, not to mention his group of receivers, outside of Wayne, are all extremely green as players. As many INT that Luck has, his WR are making mistakes that cause them as well. It's not all on Luck.

 

[biju]

Completion rate should be adjusted for down and distance to equate QBs who have different o-lines, running games, etc. When adjusted for down and distance, Luck is good. On third and fourth downs, adjusted or un-adjusted for time and distance, Luck is fourth, while Rodgers is just 14th. On early downs, Luck must not be doing as well as Rodgers and many others. Part of that is his gunslinger mentality; part of it is that his receivers include an aging Wayne, a couple of rejects from other teams and some rookies. He also runs well and keeps many plays alive with pocket presence and strength. I'm not a homer. I've just watch a few of his games and have come away very impressed with his passing ability.

Don't even try to use fantasy football perception to reason with biju.. it wont work. You need solid statistical information and or actual examples of game footage*.

I'm not arguing this stat at all. What I'm arguing against is your qualitative view on Luck. This is one stat that shows potential, albeit against sub-par defenses. Completion rate and YPA all paint a different picture so as one stat looks good, others don't. Just because he's strong in one stat doesn't mean he's some elite QB, or really even doing good from a statistical standpoint. Luck has to be close to having the most INTs in the league too. How does that work into being one of the best? How often do the elite QBs in the league also lead the league in INTs?

1998 interception leadersasses Intercepted

1. Peyton Manning · IND 28

2. Brett Favre · GNB 23

3. Jake Plummer · ARI 20

4. Craig Whelihan · SDG 19

5. Kordell Stewart · PIT 18

6. Donald Hollas · OAK 16

7. Kerry Collins · 2TM 15

Trent Dilfer · TAM 15

Ryan Leaf · SDG 15

Dan Marino · MIA 15

He's a rookie. Passing as much as he does he will make mistakes. He's still learning to read NFL D audibles, the speed of the NFL game, not to mention his group of receivers, outside of Wayne, are all extremely green as players. As many INT that Luck has, his WR are making mistakes that cause them as well. It's not all on Luck.

Funny, I was going to leave the post as-is because I thought it proved my point. If you can come up with just this case of it in all of modern NFL stats, I pretty much win this. I'll put this out there: Luck is never going to be as great as Peyton Manning or Brett Favre. Period. But you guys can continue to feel free to anoint him based on pedigree.

 

[mad sweeney]

Completion rate should be adjusted for down and distance to equate QBs who have different o-lines, running games, etc. When adjusted for down and distance, Luck is good. On third and fourth downs, adjusted or un-adjusted for time and distance, Luck is fourth, while Rodgers is just 14th. On early downs, Luck must not be doing as well as Rodgers and many others. Part of that is his gunslinger mentality; part of it is that his receivers include an aging Wayne, a couple of rejects from other teams and some rookies. He also runs well and keeps many plays alive with pocket presence and strength. I'm not a homer. I've just watch a few of his games and have come away very impressed with his passing ability.

Don't even try to use fantasy football perception to reason with biju.. it wont work. You need solid statistical information and or actual examples of game footage*.

I'm not arguing this stat at all. What I'm arguing against is your qualitative view on Luck. This is one stat that shows potential, albeit against sub-par defenses. Completion rate and YPA all paint a different picture so as one stat looks good, others don't. Just because he's strong in one stat doesn't mean he's some elite QB, or really even doing good from a statistical standpoint. Luck has to be close to having the most INTs in the league too. How does that work into being one of the best? How often do the elite QBs in the league also lead the league in INTs?

1998 interception leadersasses Intercepted

1. Peyton Manning · IND 28

2. Brett Favre · GNB 23

3. Jake Plummer · ARI 20

4. Craig Whelihan · SDG 19

5. Kordell Stewart · PIT 18

6. Donald Hollas · OAK 16

7. Kerry Collins · 2TM 15

Trent Dilfer · TAM 15

Ryan Leaf · SDG 15

Dan Marino · MIA 15

He's a rookie. Passing as much as he does he will make mistakes. He's still learning to read NFL D audibles, the speed of the NFL game, not to mention his group of receivers, outside of Wayne, are all extremely green as players. As many INT that Luck has, his WR are making mistakes that cause them as well. It's not all on Luck.

Funny, I was going to leave the post as-is because I thought it proved my point. If you can come up with just this case of it in all of modern NFL stats, I pretty much win this. I'll put this out there: Luck is never going to be as great as Peyton Manning or Brett Favre. Period. But you guys can continue to feel free to anoint him based on pedigree.

Being one of the 5 best QBs of all time is a far cry from being an elite QB. 99.99% of all QBs ever in the league won't be as great as Manning or Favre.