Colts LBs (1 Viewer)

[Bdub]

How do you guys see things shaking out this season for the Colt's LBs? I know a lot has to do with whether or not Session comes back. And one of these days Angerer is going to replace Brackett and will be a super stud, but that isn't going to happen this year.

Let's say Session returns. Is the plan for him to be the 3 down WLB, Brackett the 3 down MLB, and Angerer the 2 down SLB? If he doesn't, will it be Angerer that moves to WLB?

I'm thinking that Angerer or Session might be a nice buy low right now, but we won't know anything for awhile. If Brackett stays healthy all year, he will be a steal too.

Anyway, just wondering what you guys thought about it. It seems nobody is really excited about any of them, and one of them will probably post great fantasy numbers this year.

 

[Cipherchris]

I think Wheeler stays in SLB

Putting Angerer in the SLB position hurts his IDP value. No one is giving me angerer thus far. Try to see if you can stash Kavell Conner, I think he'll be Bracketts replacement if he doesn't come back. I would think that Angerer is slotted at MLB for the long haul. As far as short term, see if you can get session.

 

[Jene Bramel]

How do you guys see things shaking out this season for the Colt's LBs? I know a lot has to do with whether or not Session comes back. And one of these days Angerer is going to replace Brackett and will be a super stud, but that isn't going to happen this year. Let's say Session returns. Is the plan for him to be the 3 down WLB, Brackett the 3 down MLB, and Angerer the 2 down SLB? If he doesn't, will it be Angerer that moves to WLB? I'm thinking that Angerer or Session might be a nice buy low right now, but we won't know anything for awhile. If Brackett stays healthy all year, he will be a steal too. Anyway, just wondering what you guys thought about it. It seems nobody is really excited about any of them, and one of them will probably post great fantasy numbers this year.

2011: Either Session/Brackett/Angerer (with Angerer out in most subpackages) or Conner/Brackett/Angerer (subpackages less clear, it was Hagler last year).2012: Angerer every down MLB, rest unclear to me.Would have Brackett as LB3, Session as LB3+ in first 2011 scenario. Angerer probably LB3+ but lower ceiling than Session in second 2011 scenario.

 

[Bdub]

How do you guys see things shaking out this season for the Colt's LBs? I know a lot has to do with whether or not Session comes back. And one of these days Angerer is going to replace Brackett and will be a super stud, but that isn't going to happen this year. Let's say Session returns. Is the plan for him to be the 3 down WLB, Brackett the 3 down MLB, and Angerer the 2 down SLB? If he doesn't, will it be Angerer that moves to WLB? I'm thinking that Angerer or Session might be a nice buy low right now, but we won't know anything for awhile. If Brackett stays healthy all year, he will be a steal too. Anyway, just wondering what you guys thought about it. It seems nobody is really excited about any of them, and one of them will probably post great fantasy numbers this year.

2011: Either Session/Brackett/Angerer (with Angerer out in most subpackages) or Conner/Brackett/Angerer (subpackages less clear, it was Hagler last year).2012: Angerer every down MLB, rest unclear to me.Would have Brackett as LB3, Session as LB3+ in first 2011 scenario. Angerer probably LB3+ but lower ceiling than Session in second 2011 scenario.

Thanks for the input guys. I have to decide whether to keep Angerer or not this summer, and it'll be a costly roster spot if I do. I am just hoping that if I do, I might be able to use him some during the 2011 season. Hopefully he won't be a 55 tackle 2 down SLB all season long.Now next year will be a different story, and worth the wait!

 

[Cipherchris]

How much is he worth? and is he very coveted in your league?

 

[Bdub]

How do you guys see things shaking out this season for the Colt's LBs? I know a lot has to do with whether or not Session comes back. And one of these days Angerer is going to replace Brackett and will be a super stud, but that isn't going to happen this year. Let's say Session returns. Is the plan for him to be the 3 down WLB, Brackett the 3 down MLB, and Angerer the 2 down SLB? If he doesn't, will it be Angerer that moves to WLB? I'm thinking that Angerer or Session might be a nice buy low right now, but we won't know anything for awhile. If Brackett stays healthy all year, he will be a steal too. Anyway, just wondering what you guys thought about it. It seems nobody is really excited about any of them, and one of them will probably post great fantasy numbers this year.

2011: Either Session/Brackett/Angerer (with Angerer out in most subpackages) or Conner/Brackett/Angerer (subpackages less clear, it was Hagler last year).2012: Angerer every down MLB, rest unclear to me.Would have Brackett as LB3, Session as LB3+ in first 2011 scenario. Angerer probably LB3+ but lower ceiling than Session in second 2011 scenario.I'm a huge Angerer fan, more than almost anyone. But in terms of IDP fantasy football, when do you see him becoming a super star? It's not going to happen at either OLB spot, 3 down or not. It has to be as our 3 down MLB, and I'm not so sure Gary is going to be on the golf course as an Ex-Colt in 2012. You say 2012 Angerer every down MLB. Is Brackett going to retire after this year? I know he's getting old, he's not a sexy IDP player anymore, but he's definitely in the way of Pat's IDP progression. I think he's 31, got a nice fat contract, Polian loves him, etc. My point is, I can't afford to mess around with Pat for 2 or more years if it's going to take that long. Every year I draft or pick up studs like Bishop, Washington, etc. I want to stick this one out before keepers are due this summer, but his roster spot is going to hurt me if it's a long term project. Thoughts? I realize he's 1 injury or a stutter step by Brackett away from becoming a beast, but he's also in the same boat as Maulaluga. Did I spell that dude's name correctly?

 

[Jene Bramel]

I'm a huge Angerer fan, more than almost anyone. But in terms of IDP fantasy football, when do you see him becoming a super star? It's not going to happen at either OLB spot, 3 down or not. It has to be as our 3 down MLB, and I'm not so sure Gary is going to be on the golf course as an Ex-Colt in 2012. You say 2012 Angerer every down MLB. Is Brackett going to retire after this year? I know he's getting old, he's not a sexy IDP player anymore, but he's definitely in the way of Pat's IDP progression. I think he's 31, got a nice fat contract, Polian loves him, etc.

These decisions come down to (a) what you think the player's upside will be and (b) whether you have the roster space to allow yourself the room to be patient with the player. Not every player in this situation will turn out to be Barrett Ruud, Stephen Tulloch or Desmond Bishop after you sit on them for a year (or more), but if you see that kind of talent and can hold the developmental roster spot, it's worth the risk.I don't think Brackett has held up as well over the past three seasons as guys like Ray Lewis and Desmond Bishop have. I don't see Angerer taking over at MLB until 2012 without injury, but he'll be there unless he proves so valuable at OLB this year that the Colts look elsewhere for their long term MLB. Brackett's long-term contract isn't a major obstacle. If he can't handle the job, I think the Colts will move on.I'm also not sure I agree that Angerer can't be a stud outside. He showed promise, including statistical promise, in the rare instances he played an every-down OLB role last year. If Angerer blossoms outside -- especially if the Colts choose to allow Brackett to play out his contract inside -- the scheme will support an 85-95 solo every-down OLB.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

If Angerer was playing WLB on every down I see no reason that he couldn't put up some pretty nice numbers in that scheme. Session does that now.....the rub with him is that he seems to only do it for 5 games before he hurts himself.

Session's per-game #s, if I recall correct, are fairly meaty over his career as the starting WLB are they not? The key would be Angerer getting to play in the Nickle.

 

[Jene Bramel]

If Angerer was playing WLB on every down I see no reason that he couldn't put up some pretty nice numbers in that scheme. Session does that now.....the rub with him is that he seems to only do it for 5 games before he hurts himself.Session's per-game #s, if I recall correct, are fairly meaty over his career as the starting WLB are they not? The key would be Angerer getting to play in the Nickle.

Session's numbers were always LB2 quality when healthy, as were many of the linebackers before him.I don't think Angerer plays WLB this year, though. I think there's a chance that he proves dynamic enough and Brackett holds up well enough for the Colts to move Angerer to Will in 2012. I'd (loosely) handicap Angerer's 2011 prospects:70% every-down SLB, 25% base only SLB, 5% MLB I'd (loosely) handicap Angerer's 2012 prospects:65% every-down MLB, 20% every-down SLB, 10% every-down WLB, 5% base only OLB

 

[Bdub]

If Angerer was playing WLB on every down I see no reason that he couldn't put up some pretty nice numbers in that scheme. Session does that now.....the rub with him is that he seems to only do it for 5 games before he hurts himself.Session's per-game #s, if I recall correct, are fairly meaty over his career as the starting WLB are they not? The key would be Angerer getting to play in the Nickle.

Session's numbers were always LB2 quality when healthy, as were many of the linebackers before him.I don't think Angerer plays WLB this year, though. I think there's a chance that he proves dynamic enough and Brackett holds up well enough for the Colts to move Angerer to Will in 2012. I'd (loosely) handicap Angerer's 2011 prospects:70% every-down SLB, 25% base only SLB, 5% MLB I'd (loosely) handicap Angerer's 2012 prospects:65% every-down MLB, 20% every-down SLB, 10% every-down WLB, 5% base only OLB

Let's say Session hangs around this year. Is there any chance that Angerer gets the third down package duties, even if he's playing SLB? I think the key is the 3 down role, regardless of which OLB position he plays. Chad Greenway plays SLB, but he never leaves the field and his numbers are great. Thomas Davis kicks ### too as a 3 down SLB (when healthy). I think if Session is in camp this summer, we'll have a terrific OLB camp battle. Session, Angerer, Connor, Wheeler. Great depth to work with. I'll be rooting for Pat. I watched every step he took last year (went to several games too) and he's an incredible tackler. Fast, instinctive, sheds blockers, etc. But his pass coverage skills are not on par with Session.

 

[Jene Bramel]

If Angerer was playing WLB on every down I see no reason that he couldn't put up some pretty nice numbers in that scheme. Session does that now.....the rub with him is that he seems to only do it for 5 games before he hurts himself.Session's per-game #s, if I recall correct, are fairly meaty over his career as the starting WLB are they not? The key would be Angerer getting to play in the Nickle.

Session's numbers were always LB2 quality when healthy, as were many of the linebackers before him.I don't think Angerer plays WLB this year, though. I think there's a chance that he proves dynamic enough and Brackett holds up well enough for the Colts to move Angerer to Will in 2012. I'd (loosely) handicap Angerer's 2011 prospects:70% every-down SLB, 25% base only SLB, 5% MLB I'd (loosely) handicap Angerer's 2012 prospects:65% every-down MLB, 20% every-down SLB, 10% every-down WLB, 5% base only OLB

Let's say Session hangs around this year. Is there any chance that Angerer gets the third down package duties, even if he's playing SLB? I think the key is the 3 down role, regardless of which OLB position he plays. Chad Greenway plays SLB, but he never leaves the field and his numbers are great. Thomas Davis kicks ### too as a 3 down SLB (when healthy). I think if Session is in camp this summer, we'll have a terrific OLB camp battle. Session, Angerer, Connor, Wheeler. Great depth to work with. I'll be rooting for Pat. I watched every step he took last year (went to several games too) and he's an incredible tackler. Fast, instinctive, sheds blockers, etc. But his pass coverage skills are not on par with Session.

Agree with the upside as an every-down SLB, but I think the chances are slim that Angerer plays in a subpackage ahead of Brackett or Session. He had slipped behind Hagler (who was behind Conner on the base defensive depth chart at WLB) during the final weeks of the 2010 regular season.

 

[jacobo_moses]

So Jene is now a good time to dump Pat Angerer? I have him in both my IDP Dynasty Leagues. I mean a SLB that isn't in on 3rd downs isnt really worth rostering is he? Just curious on this.

 

[Jene Bramel]

So Jene is now a good time to dump Pat Angerer? I have him in both my IDP Dynasty Leagues. I mean a SLB that isn't in on 3rd downs isnt really worth rostering is he? Just curious on this.

Exactly the opposite. He'll be a prime buy low if Session returns and he's "relegated" to part time SLB duty. I think it's very likely that Angerer will be the long term every-down MLB. Angerer's career path could be eerily similar to that of Barrett Ruud.

 

[Bdub]

I noticed that on 6/20/11 John Norton has Pat Angerer projected as his #9 OLB with 85 solos, 36 assists, and a handful of big plays. At the same time Session is ranked even higher. Is this projection assuming that Pat is playing SLB this year, likely a 2 down role? I'd be thrilled if he could do that, while waiting to take over at MLB.

Do you guys think those numbers are realistic? Both of them that high?

I've already decided to keep him this summer when the time comes, but those numbers would be an awesome treat for the guy at the end of my roster that I hope next year will be my Barrett Ruud...

 

[HittinHard]

I noticed that on 6/20/11 John Norton has Pat Angerer projected as his #9 OLB with 85 solos, 36 assists, and a handful of big plays. At the same time Session is ranked even higher. Is this projection assuming that Pat is playing SLB this year, likely a 2 down role? I'd be thrilled if he could do that, while waiting to take over at MLB. Do you guys think those numbers are realistic? Both of them that high?I've already decided to keep him this summer when the time comes, but those numbers would be an awesome treat for the guy at the end of my roster that I hope next year will be my Barrett Ruud...

I think Angerers numbers are optimistic but you never know.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Good article here on the Colts defensive shortcomings with the Saints game on 10/23 profiled.(wasn't sure where to put this. As good a place as any I guess)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/911818-how-larry-coyers-defensive-scheme-is-killing-the-indianapolis-colts