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thank you. i kept reading on waiting to see his name. not to bash on kitna who has had a great year (except for maybe a few 4th quarters), but Jones return to form has been a much bigger comeback for the Lions. Too bad the Lions blow and neither of these guys will get any love
I don't think it's the coming back from injury that is special. It is what he has accomplished after coming back. And on a weak passing team thus far. He has been terrific.The more of these injuries there are, the better medicine will get.I'm not a proponent of Walker necessarily, just saying his return has been great.
he was a mediocre, TD-and-a-pick per game QB his first two years as a regular starter. Hardly something to "come back" to. The point is he essentially got it for breaking out, not coming back to a prior level of excellence. Yeah he missed a few games in 03, but he got the 04 award more for "coming back" from the Draft that year, where Rivers was taken and he was already written off because he'd never shown the ability in the first place.
Agree that his return has been great.Disagree he is the front runner or that he deserves the award.
I agree 100%.He dealt with the adversity of having a 1st round pick on thebench and played to a Pro Bowl One of the criteria is NOT having been an outstanding player before, but having faced adversity and returning to perform at a high level.
I don't need to - nor can I w/o access to a list of players' injuries.See above - I'm not saying his return hasn't been great. Just that he isn't exactly dealing with an injury from which NFL players are not known to recover. in fact, NFL players regularly suffer the injury an dregularly return to their prior form.In short, when the league looks at Walker, they are going to ask "what is the adversity from which Walker is coming back? Oh, an ACL tear for which he had more than a year ro recover? Aren't there a ton of players who return from that injury these days?"Then the voter will move on to another player with more adversity to overcome.It is what it is said:
did they reference Walker, Deuce or AGReen?
I really only saw it in passing and didn't even catch their reasoning. But I don't think they brought up any runner ups, just the one guy who they each thought was most deserving.
Never said it was silly to consider him, just that I didn't think he was the "clear" frontrunner as IIWII thought.The more I looked at past winners, the less I thought he deserved consideration. But to say I am "admantly suggesting it is silly to consider him" is you reading something into my posts that is not there.
The more I think about it, the more Walker doesn't DESERVE the award - he did nothing more than any player who got an ACL injury did - he recovered after a year. He diodn;t surprise anyone with a comeback - he got injured, he got well, he played as expected - end of story.This statement seems like a suggestion that Walker is undeserving entirely, and really ought not be considered. Couple that with numerous others, all to the tune of "Walker did nothing special, Walker doesn't DESERVE this award" makes me believe you're adament about your stance.
I'm not sure why folks thought that way - I didn't experience any of that here in Denver. Folks were straight up BEAMING about the trade - the guy DID pass a physical before the trade was completed.Not even sure why it was such a gamble given the Broncos had two picks for each of the first three rounds.He was on schedule with his rehab when he was traded and he was just about 8 months removed from the surgery. I don't think there were many question marks in the Denver organization on whether he'd be ready by game one - I know none of the fans or radio folks were even suggesting he woudl not be ready.Either way, a high second is a pretty high price to pay for a WR - and was the only way the Pack would get a trade done - the team could have used either of its first round picks on a WR - trading for Walker was a coup for the team b/c it allowed them to trade up for Cutler and not worry about filling their need at WR.
Yeah, as a Denver fan, I was ecstatic. But I think everyone was holding their breath up until he took his first few hits in preseason. I don't think that a high second round pick is a lot to give up for one of the game's elite WRs, especially if, as you say, the injury is easy to recover from and everyone expected him to regain his pre-injury form. If that were the case, I think he would gave gone for a first round pick. He didn't go for a first round pick because there were still questions, justified or not, regarding his ability to regain his elite status. The Steelers took Santonio Holmes in the first. The Pats took Chad Jackson early in the second. Given those comparisons, Walker should have been worth at least a mid first round pick.
Even after reading this entire thread I can't think of anyone even close to Walker, in my mind he's hands down the front runner so far.Marc Levin said:
Thanks Marc. I appreciate the kind words.thatguy -
I thought he was in NASCAR???
I thought he was in NASCAR???
Add Rodney Harrison to that List, who not only tore the ACL, but also the LCL and MCL. Twenty years ago, this was a career ending injury, ten years ago, two years off, and maybe you could play at 80% of your former self. Now, a year and your playing, 114-16 months, if you work hard, you're at 100%. The science has improved that fast. Why didn't Marcus Robinson come back. See the qualifier about working hard. Science can only do so much. I think all of the players mentioned are in play for the award. It's a sappy award, and they give it based on audience, not really on who deserves it. Steve Smith came back from a run of the mill broken leg. Career threatening? Maybe? IIRC, it was broken in 3 places, but we have to remember these guys see the best doctors. It would end our days of playing in the flag football league, or at least slow us down, because our HMO wouldn't get us in to the best doctor, but not these guys. My pick goes to Hamlin. Coming back from what he did showed great character. If Roethlisberger can put together a solid season from here on out, he has to get consideration. There's half a season of football left. Winslow? Maybe. All the guys mentioned deserve mention, but there's half a season left. Walker deserves mention too, but unless he leads the league, I think it'll go to somebody else, because it's such a run of the mill injury. He's expected to return to form. Grossman is excelling. Brees is returned to form, that's a neutral. Deuce is back to form. Donovan is back to form, but he deserves consideration for the whole TO situation, the sports hernia, being a sissy and all, though his performance has been diminishing as the season has gone on. There's a lot of season left. A lot of stock to rise and fall from here to the finish.
Nobody had more of a down season last year than Morten Andersen. Using some of the criteria mentioned in this thread you could say Mort was the least likely player to be on a roster this year so that only should merit some consideration.
i know they were nothing major but injuries played a big part (not bigger than mooch but...) in KJs struggles last year. A shoulder, thigh and elbow injury cost him 3 games and kept him ineffective in several others. 10/23/2005 RB Shoulder questionable (10/23) Bothered him for 4 weeks
what time did he miss?
They both won the award.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Comeback_..._the_Year_AwardHamlin doesn't have the media name of Bruschi though, and why I think he probably won't win it, even though I believe he deserves moreso than someone like Walker. Not to discredit Walker, because he is playing well considering he had major surgery on his knee last year, but coming back to play contact football after being in serious condition in the ICU with a fractured skull, blood clots in the brain, hemorrhaging, etc. and being told by doctors that you may never play again, is more of a feat in my eyes.
Just pointing it out for those who didn't know.
Kevin Jones might be a good choice.
