Come up with 11 defenders to stop this offense... (1 Viewer)

[On The Rocks]

But here's the catch. You can't have two players from the same franchise on your defense. I did the same thing with my offense. For instance, Jerry Rice HAD to be on this team, but that meant that Joe Montana could not be. Then once Dan Marino got on the team, that meant that Dwight Stephenson could not be.

List the teams the players were with when they were their most dominant.

I know that you could argue for Unitas over Marino, Alworth over Moss, Payton over Sanders, etc. But I simply put together a team which I thought would be the hardest to defend. Now show me a nasty 11 who could stop them.

QB - Dan Marino (Dolphins)

RB - Barry Sanders (Lions)

FB - Jim Brown (Browns)

TE - Tony Gonzalez (Chiefs)

WR - Randy Moss (Vikings)

WR - Jerry Rice (49ers)

LT - Anthony Munoz (Bengals)

LG - John Hannah (Patriots)

C - Mike Webster (Steelers)

RG - Larry Allen (Cowboys)

RT - Jackie Slater (Rams)

I am listing 4 D-Linemen and 4 LBS:DE Bruce Smith. He had success getting to Dan Marino even while Marino was in his prime.

DT Joe Greene. Face to Face with Webster would be a nice matchup. However he would have problems with John Hannah.

DT Ted Washington. Not a Hall of Famer, but a guy in his prime was a space eater that could make room for his LB's to make plays.

DE Reggie White. Quick to the passer and excellent against the run.

OLB Lawerence Taylor. Simply the best LB in the world.

ILB Ray Nitchke. You have to have someone as nasty as Jim Brown to take him one on one if neccessary.

ILB Ray Lewis. I can't stand the guy, but this isn't a popularity contest.

OLB Derrick Brooks. There are better LB's that played inside but I can't think of anyone else to play OLB.

CB Champ Bailey

CB Deion Sanders. As long as he doesn't have to cover the run, he will be ok.

S Ronnie Lott

S Rod Woodson

 

[NoFBinLA]

While I can't quite roll with the rest of the participents here in this thread -- this is my favorite thread of the off season.

 

[Raider Nation]

While I can't quite roll with the rest of the participents here in this thread -- this is my favorite thread of the off season.

March or April is always the best time to break these things out.In the middle of the season, they leave the first page in record time.

 

[Raider Nation]

QB - Dan Marino (Dolphins) Roger Staubach Cowboys

RB - Barry Sanders (Lions)

FB - Jim Brown (Browns)

TE - Tony Gonzalez (Chiefs) Shannon Sharpe Broncos

WR - Randy Moss (Vikings)

WR - Jerry Rice (49ers)

LT - Anthony Munoz (Bengals)

LG - John Hannah (Patriots)

C - Mike Webster (Steelers) Jim Otto Raiders

RG - Larry Allen (Cowboys) Bruce Matthews Oilers/Titans

RT - Jackie Slater (Rams) Forrest Gregg Packers

Fixed.

BTW, I've been thinking about your changes all afternoon.Staubach?

The guy was a fine QB to be sure... the original Comeback Kid. But I could think of 15 QBs I'd rather have to attack a defense with an all-star team around him. Please share your thoughts on why he'd be your guy.

 

[Raider Nation]

MINE

DE - Bruce Smith (Bills)

DT - Joe Greene (Steelers)

DT - Reggie White (Eagles)

DE - Howie Long (Raiders)

OLB - Lawrence Taylor (Giants)

MLB - Mike Singletary (Bears)

OLB - Derrick Brooks (Bucs)

S - Ronnie Lott (49ers)

S - Rod Woodson (Ravens)

CB - Deion Sanders (Falcons)

CB - Champ (Skins)

Not even a comment?

My comment is that you must be a fairly young guy.

 

[JAA]

No 3-3-5 stack?

 

[Raider Nation]

No 3-3-5 stack?

That might work against my Run 'n Shoot squad:MoonSandersMoss/Rice/Harrison/Alworth

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

First of all, great thread ! Had a blast with this. My team is combined of 22 players in which none come from the same NFL team and all players are being used "in their prime".

The Offense

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QB - Favre - Packers

RB - B.Sanders - Lions

FB - J.Brown - Browns

WR - Harrison - Colts

WR - C.Carter (could go Moss here but I hate him)- Vikings

TE - K.Winslow (Senior) - Chargers

LT - Munoz - Bengals

LG - Hannah - Patriots

C - Webster - Steelers

RG - Dierdorf - Cardinals

RT - Slater - Rams

The Defense

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DE - R.White - Eagles

DT - Lily - Cowboys

DT - Sapp - Buccaneers

DE - B.Smith - Bills

OLB - L.Taylor - Giants

MLB - Butkus - Bears

OLB - Hendricks - Raiders

CB - D.Sanders - Falcons

FS - Atwater - Broncos

SS - Lott - 49ers

CB - D.Green - Redskins

 

[Chase Stuart]

QB - Dan Marino (Dolphins) Roger Staubach Cowboys

RB - Barry Sanders (Lions)

FB - Jim Brown (Browns)

TE - Tony Gonzalez (Chiefs) Shannon Sharpe Broncos

WR - Randy Moss (Vikings)

WR - Jerry Rice (49ers)

LT - Anthony Munoz (Bengals)

LG - John Hannah (Patriots)

C - Mike Webster (Steelers) Jim Otto Raiders

RG - Larry Allen (Cowboys) Bruce Matthews Oilers/Titans

RT - Jackie Slater (Rams) Forrest Gregg Packers

Fixed.

BTW, I've been thinking about your changes all afternoon.Staubach?

The guy was a fine QB to be sure... the original Comeback Kid. But I could think of 15 QBs I'd rather have to attack a defense with an all-star team around him. Please share your thoughts on why he'd be your guy.

Staubach's probably as underrated a player as I can think of; it's amazing considering he played perhaps the most high profile of positions, QB for the Dallas Cowboys.This is the last of three articles I wrote analyzing QB passing statistics. Let's leave aside Young, Montana and Marino (Rice, Rice, you picked him ); that leaves Tarkenton, Unitas, Manning (the article was written before 2006) and Staubach as the top four QBs in that very basic metric.

I didn't want to use Manning because he's too recent and I've got lots of Manning as it is, and I wanted to leave Unitas/Manning off anyway in case I switched to Harrison. I don't think many people would argue that Tarkenton should be the guy, which actually leaves Staubach at the top of this very simple list.

This list accounts for just how much better a passer than the league average a QB was; it doesn't account for anything else. But Staubach was a pretty mobile guy (better than Favre, not as good as Elway) but more importantly, he didn't have incredible teammates. Hayes was past his prime when Staubach became elite, which left him mainly with Pearson. Obviously a great WR, but it's not like he was in the Rams offense, the Colts offense, or the 49ers offense. That's got to be a slight knock against the Warners, Mannings and Youngs/Montanas of the world.

What Staubach accomplished was incredible on a per attempt basis. Five times he ranked 1st or 2nd in the league in adjusted yards per attempt. Here's part of what I've written before:

wonder what sort of numbers Staubach could have ended up with if he hadn’t missed the prime of his career because of his Navy obligations. Staubach’s first 2,000 yard season (in his second season as a starter) came at the age of 31. Had he never entered the Navy, he might have ended up as the greatest player that ever played. In 1979 he had the 21st greatest passing season on this list, and he did it at 37 years old.

To have one of the better seasons of all time at age 37 makes me wonder how good he would have been at 27. In his prime, what couldn't he do? He played well in winning two Super Bowls, and more than well enough to win a third (1978). Who else -- outside of Marino, Manning, Montana, Young, Unitas -- would you want in there? Favre? Elway? Staubach had much better stats than both (on a per attempt basis) in a tougher era. Maybe he even had a better supporting cast than Elway and Favre of late, but I look at what Staubach did and I wonder what more do you want? He had a 12-7 post-season record and his teams went 85-31 in the years he started.

I can add more, I guess, but I'd like to know what you have against Staubach and/or who do you want to put ahead of him outside of the five mentioned above?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Not to :hijack: too much, but what about 11 offensive players with only one per modern conference (i.e., forget what conference they were actually in, just what they're in now)?

I actually don't think it would be too hard. You could go with Montana or Young, since ND is independent and the MWC hasn't had too many superstars off the top of my head. I also think you wouldn't have too many candidates from the SWAC or the C-USA.

So we've got Rice, Moss, Young/Montana. I'd probably grab Brown and Sanders. So the Big 12 and Big East are out. I've got to roll out of here, but maybe someone can finish up.

Fielding a D might be harder.

No one took me up on this, maybe because it was pretty simple.

QB Steve Young - BYU - MWC

HB Barry Sanders - OSU - Big 12

FB Jim Brown - Syracuse - Big East

WR Jerry Rice - Mississippi Valley State - SWAC

WR Randy Moss - Marshall - C-USA

TE Shannon Sharpe - Savannah State - Independent

LT Anthony Munoz - USC - Pac-10

LG John Hannah - Alabama - SEC

C - Mike Webster - Wisconsin - Big 10

RG - Larry Allen - Sonoma State - CCAA (D-II)

RT - Walter Jones - FSU - ACC

(Slater went to Jackson State, which is in the SWAC; Gregg went to Southern Methodist, in the C-USA). Man, it wasn't easy finding a good ACC fit.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

But here's the catch. You can't have two players from the same franchise on your defense. I did the same thing with my offense. For instance, Jerry Rice HAD to be on this team, but that meant that Joe Montana could not be. Then once Dan Marino got on the team, that meant that Dwight Stephenson could not be.

List the teams the players were with when they were their most dominant.

I know that you could argue for Unitas over Marino, Alworth over Moss, Payton over Sanders, etc. But I simply put together a team which I thought would be the hardest to defend. Now show me a nasty 11 who could stop them.

QB - Dan Marino (Dolphins)

RB - Barry Sanders (Lions)

FB - Jim Brown (Browns)

TE - Tony Gonzalez (Chiefs)

WR - Randy Moss (Vikings)

WR - Jerry Rice (49ers)

LT - Anthony Munoz (Bengals)

LG - John Hannah (Patriots)

C - Mike Webster (Steelers)

RG - Larry Allen (Cowboys)

RT - Jackie Slater (Rams)

DE Reggie White - IgglesDE Bruce Smith - Bills

DT Richard Seymour - Pats

DT Dave Butz - Skins

WSLB Laurence Taylor - G-Men

MLB Ray Lewis - Ravens

SSLB Junior Seau - Bolts

CB Champ Bailey - Broncos

CB Rod Woodson - Steelers

S Ronnie Lott - Niners

S Kenny Easley - Hawks

 

[Raider Nation]

QB - Dan Marino (Dolphins) Roger Staubach Cowboys

RB - Barry Sanders (Lions)

FB - Jim Brown (Browns)

TE - Tony Gonzalez (Chiefs) Shannon Sharpe Broncos

WR - Randy Moss (Vikings)

WR - Jerry Rice (49ers)

LT - Anthony Munoz (Bengals)

LG - John Hannah (Patriots)

C - Mike Webster (Steelers) Jim Otto Raiders

RG - Larry Allen (Cowboys) Bruce Matthews Oilers/Titans

RT - Jackie Slater (Rams) Forrest Gregg Packers

Fixed.

BTW, I've been thinking about your changes all afternoon.Staubach?

The guy was a fine QB to be sure... the original Comeback Kid. But I could think of 15 QBs I'd rather have to attack a defense with an all-star team around him. Please share your thoughts on why he'd be your guy.

<Nice reply snipped for brevity>I can add more, I guess, but I'd like to know what you have against Staubach and/or who do you want to put ahead of him outside of the five mentioned above?

I should have been more clear.... I have absolutely nothing against Roger the Dodger. I loved watching him in the clutch when I was a wee lad. But for this collection of talent, I'd prefer other QBs.Here are 15 I'd choose before him, irrespective of my "nobody from the same team" stipulation.

- Manning

- Favre

- Marino

- Montana

- Unitas

- Elway

- Brady

- Baugh

- Moon

- Esiason

- Fouts

- Young

- Kelly

- Aikman

- Bradshaw

 

[Chase Stuart]

I should have been more clear.... I have absolutely nothing against Roger the Dodger. I loved watching him in the clutch when I was a wee lad. But for this collection of talent, I'd prefer other QBs.

Here are 15 I'd choose before him, irrespective of my "nobody from the same team" stipulation.

- Brady

- Baugh

- Moon

- Esiason

- Fouts

- Young

- Kelly

- Aikman

- Bradshaw

I'd have a tough time making an argument for any of these 9 QBs, especially given the collection of talent on this team.

 

[chris1969]

DE-Deacon Jones (Rams)

DT-"Mean" Joe Greene (Stillers)

DE-Reggie White (Eagles)

OLB-Ted Hendricks (Raiders)

ILB-**** Butkus (Bears)

ILB-Ray Nitschke (Packers)

OLB-LT (Giants)

CB-Mike Haynes (Patriots)

CB-Night Train Lane (Lions)

S-Ken Houston (Oilers)

S-Ronnie Lott (49ers)

 

[trader jake]

Those of you listing Reggie White on the Philadelphia Eagles are incorrect. He was drafted by them but choose to play in Green Bay. White won some games in that other jersey but won a Super Bowl as a member of the Packers. TIA.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Those of you listing Reggie White on the Philadelphia Eagles are incorrect. He was drafted by them but choose to play in Green Bay. White won some games in that other jersey but won a Super Bowl as a member of the Packers. TIA.

Huh???

 

[Liquid Tension]

QB - Dan Marino (Dolphins) Roger Staubach Cowboys

RB - Barry Sanders (Lions)

FB - Jim Brown (Browns)

TE - Tony Gonzalez (Chiefs) Shannon Sharpe Broncos

WR - Randy Moss (Vikings)

WR - Jerry Rice (49ers)

LT - Anthony Munoz (Bengals)

LG - John Hannah (Patriots)

C - Mike Webster (Steelers) Jim Otto Raiders

RG - Larry Allen (Cowboys) Bruce Matthews Oilers/Titans

RT - Jackie Slater (Rams) Forrest Gregg Packers

Fixed. Picking Harrison over Moss would wipe out Unitas and Manning as options, and make Staubach an even stronger pick. But if we're playing this "at their height" game, Moss probably wins, and either way he's a better complement to Rice.

I know you're a big Slater fan, but I was surprised to see he only made 7 Pro Bowls. And he didn't have to compete with Munoz. Roaf made 11, Ogden 10, Pace 7, etc. I went with Gregg, though, who has no blemishes on his resume.

Allen's great and all, and maybe was the best G ever at his peak. But I figured I'd throw in the only 14-time Pro Bowler in league history. Figured I'd throw Otto in there to spice things up as well. As for Sharpe, I think he's a better fit for this offense than Gonzo.

Chase, Staubach, are you kidding me?

 

[Husker]

Let’s take this even a step further. No duplicate franchises on special teams, no duplicate franchises on a starting lineup, and no duplicate franchises a second team. I limited to players I remember (so hard to judge ones based on historian stuff only such as Jim Brown).

Special teams:

Adam Vinatieri – K – Patriots

Ray Guy – P – Raiders

Rick Upchurch – KR – Broncos

Billy Johnson – PR – Oilers

Offense (First Team):

Dan Marino – QB – Dolphins

Walter Payton – HB – Bears

Lorezno Neal – FB – Chargers

Jerry Rice – WR – 49ers

Steve Largent – WR – Seahawks

Ozzie Newsome – TE – Browns

Mike Webster – C – Steelers

John Hannah – G – Patriots

Larry Allen – G – Cowboys

Anthony Munoz – T – Bengals

Jackie Slater – T – Rams

Offense (Second Team):

John Elway – QB – Broncos

Marshall Faulk – RB – Rams

Tom Rathman – FB – 49ers

Marvin Harrison – WR – Colts

Cris Carter – WR – Vikings

Kellen Winslow – TE – Chargers

Mike Stephenson – C – Dolphins

Will Shields – G – Chiefs

Bruce Matthews – G – Oilers

Jonathan Ogden – T – Ravens

Joe Jacoby – T – Redskins

Defense (First Team):

Reggie White – DE – Eagles

Bruce Smith – DE – Bills

Randy White – DT – Cowboys

Dan Hampton – DT – Bears

Ray Lewis – MLB – Ravens

Lawrence Taylor – OLB – Giants

Derrick Brooks – OLB – Buccaneers

Deion Sanders – CB – Falcons

Darrell Green – CB – Redskins

Ronnie Lott – S – 49ers

Nolan Cromwell – S – Rams

Defense (Second Team):

Howie Long – DE – Raiders

Jason Taylor – DE – Dolphins

John Randall – DT – Vikings

Cortez Kennedy – DT – Seahawks

Mike Singletary – MLB – Bears

Junior Seau – OLB – Chargers

Andre Tippett – OLB – Patriots

Rod Woodson – CB – Steelers

Champ Bailey – CB – Broncos

Ed Reed – S – Ravens

Darrell Woodson – S – Cowboys

My biggest struggle was the Steel Curtain years. They were really on the edge of my memory (I’m 35 years old). So, Joe Greene and Mel Blount fell off the list and on again, and off again, etc.

For my second team, I tried to get some complimentary talent (e.g. Payton and Neal to pound the ball with a couple of pass receiving RBs coming off the bench).

I know I am forgetting someone obvious in this list.

 

[Sludge]

Those of you listing Reggie White on the Philadelphia Eagles are incorrect. He was drafted by them but choose to play in Green Bay. White won some games in that other jersey but won a Super Bowl as a member of the Packers. TIA.

His "best" year was in 1987 when he had 21 sacks in a strike shortend season of 12 games. For this list he should be an Eagle.

 

[Husker]

8 seasons in Philly.

6 in GB.

1 in Carolina.

I would count Reggie as an Eagle. Certainly, as a Cowboy fan, I remember him causing more pain as an Eagle.

 

[Pskov1420]

How about yet another step further. A full 22 players, plus a punter and a kicker, and a punt/kick returner, no player from the same franchise across the team.

QB - Peyton Manning (Colts)

RB - Barry Sanders (Lions)

FB - Jim Brown (Browns)

WR - Jerry Rice (49ers)

WR - Lance Alworth (Chargers)

TE - Tony Gonzales (Chiefs)

LT - Anthony Munoz (Bengals)

LG - Larry Allen (Cowboys)

C - Jim Otto (Raiders)

RG - Bruce Matthews (Oilers/Titans)

RT - Forest Gregg (Packers)

DE - Reggie White (Eagles)

DT - Joe Greene (Steelers)

DT - Alan Page (Vikings)

DE - Deacon Jones (Rams)

SLB - Lawrence Taylor (Giants)

MLB - **** Butkus (Bears)

WLB - Derrick Brooks (Buccaneers)

CB - Deion Sanders (Falcons)

CB - Champ Bailey (Broncos)

FS - Larry Wilson (Cardinals)

SS - Ed Reed (Ravens)

K - Morton Andersen (Saints)

P - Reggie Roby (Dolphins)

PR/KR - Brian Mitchell (Redskins)

 

[trader jake]

Those of you listing Reggie White on the Philadelphia Eagles are incorrect. He was drafted by them but choose to play in Green Bay. White won some games in that other jersey but won a Super Bowl as a member of the Packers. TIA.

His "best" year was in 1987 when he had 21 sacks in a strike shortend season of 12 games. For this list he should be an Eagle.

Reggie's "best" year was the year he won a Super Bowl...in Green Bay as a member of the Packers.

 

[Native]

Game on. Raidernation.

DE Deacon Jones

DT Bob Lilly

DT Mean Joe Greene

DE Leroy Selmon (or Reggie White)

LB Bobby Bell

LB **** Butkus

LB Lawrence Taylor (Jack Ham)

DB Night Train Lane

DB Mel Blount (Mike Haynes)

SS Ronnie Lott

FS Willie Wood

Disclaimer: I picked a one backup DL, one backup LB and one backup DB.

Leroy Selmon was one of the greatest pass rushers the league has ever known - and this was while being stuck playing Left End in Tampa's 3-4 alignment. In a 4-3, he would be devastating. Together with Deacon Jones, I dont believe that your OT's would stand a chance against our pass rush. In the middle, Lilly and Greene would destory your interior line, giving your QB nowhere to escape and about .5 seconds to throw the ball on any given snap. It would be ugly. And for good measure, just when your tackles finally begin to wilt and despair, Im going to bring Reggie White off the bench.

Bobby Bell was argubaly the most athletic LB ever to play the game. With 4.5 speed, he was a wonderful coverage LB with uncanny instincts and devastating closing ability. He could also hit like a ton of bricks. **** Butkus is the ultimate 4-3 MLB and could play the run as well as any linebacker that ever lived. Lawrence Taylor is out of position as a 4-3 OLB, but hes so damn talented that I had to include him on this team. If he isnt able to maintain his coverage responsibilities, Jack Ham can take his place on the field.

My secondary is all about toughness. Blount and Lane were the two most aggressive CB's of all time and would stifle your WR's at the LOS. In the event I needed a pure shut down corner, I could bring Mike Haynes in off the bench. Ronnie Lott is the ultimate enforcer and intimidator, while Willie Wood is probably the best pure Free Safety that ever lived.

Thoughts?

 

[Chase Stuart]

DE - Reggie White (Eagles/Packers)

DT - Joe Greene (Steelers)

DT - Bob Lily (Cowboys)

DE - Deacon Jones (Rams)

OLB - Lawrence Taylor (Giants)

MLB - **** Butkus (Bears)

OLB - Derrick Brooks (Bucs)

S - Ronnie Lott (49ers)

S - Larry Wilson (Cardinals)*

CB - Deion Sanders (Falcons)

CB - **** Lane (Lions)

DE Deacon Jones

DT Bob Lilly

DT Mean Joe Greene

DE Leroy Selmon (or Reggie White)

LB Bobby Bell

LB **** Butkus

LB Lawrence Taylor (Jack Ham)

DB Night Train Lane

DB Mel Blount (Mike Haynes)

SS Ronnie Lott

FS Willie Wood

Thoughts?

Pretty similar teams. Selmon's great and all, but even Tampa homers would admit that White was a better play, especially for our 4-3. If you wanted to go 3-4 and use Taylor and Selmon, you'd have a better case, but I think White would be the right pick anyway.I thought about using Bell instead of Brooks, and I think Bell's the better play but Brooks would be better at covering Gonzo.

I don't know how you can take someone over Sanders, and Blount wouldn't be permissible anyway. But Sanders has to make this team. At safety, Wood and Wilson were the top safeties of the 60s. Both are fine choices.

 

[Kleck]

Despite his relatively short career, I would go with Kenny Easley at strong safety.

That must be before my time but I have no idea who that is. i was actually thinking of making it a hard hitter like my personal favs Atwater or eric turner RIP.

Great. I was feeling old earlier tonight, now I feel ancient. Easley was a Seahawk safety in the mid-80s. Team gave him massive doses of Advil (ibuprofen?) and it ruined his kidneys. There were some very ugly lawsuits. They tried to trade him to Arizona, but kidney damage showed up in his physical and his career was suddenly over.First thought that comes to mind with regard to Easley was what Steve Largent said about him.

Kenny Easley was the only rookie I saw that showed up and played like a ten year veteran.

He was big, fast, and a scary hitter. The big debate in the mid 80s was Lott or Easley. Seems a slam dunk now, but only because Easley has career cut short. Easley was scary good. I remember him return punts when the team lots their regular return guy. Yes, he scored on a punt return. I think it was 1984. He may have been defensive player of the year in 83 or 84. Pretty sure he had 10 picks one of those seasons. Seattle defense was loaded in 83 and 84. Easley was the heart of that team. That made it to an AFC title game after upsetting the heavily favored Dolphins in Miami.

 

[yetiknight]

DE Willie McGinest CLEDE Richard Seymour NWEDT Ted Washington SFLB Mike Vrabel PITLB Adalius Thomas BALLB Roosevelt Colvin CHILB Junior Seau MIASS Rodney Harrison SDSS Lawyer Milloy BUFCB Ty Law KCCCB Bill Belichick NYJ

that is awesome. and hilarious.

 

[yetiknight]

I see your 11 RN, and I will squash them.

RDE - Reggie White/Phi*

DT - Randy White/Dal*

LDE - Deacon Jones/LARams*

ROLB - Lawrence Taylor/NYG*

ILB - **** Butkis/Chi

ILB - Ray Lewis/Bal

LOLB - Bobby Bell/KC

RCB - Rod Woodson/Pit*

LCB - Deion Sanders/Atl

FS - Ronnie Lott/SF*

SS - Rodney Harrison/SD*

Went with the 3-4 to make it impossible for you to outscheme the defense. There is room for some Bear 4-6 hybrid as well. Quite frankly you would have to play offense like you were in a fire drill. The only touchdowns would be on freak plays by Moss, Rice, or Barry. Those guys can't be completely held in check. But I see this defense having almost as much of a shot at scoring as the offense.

* These are players that I never wavered on while writing this post. That was after reading the whole thread though.