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Comedian Louis CK admits to sexual harassment of several women (1 Viewer)
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pantherclub
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wikkidpissah
Footballguy
He could have come back the next day if he had the right material to go with it. That's the magic and the mad responsibility of standup - you can go anywhere you want to go if you write it right and you'll be buried behind a hot-button issue forever if you dont. I'm not saying comics weren't as damaged by 9/11 and other tragic occurences as we all were but, in the back of the minds of every one of them worth their salt, they were writing the bit that would make them the first one to get us laughing again. Cancer, abortion, mangled baby ducks, it don't matter if it's written and timed right and Louis Ck or any other comic who's done something wrong can get back on that stage and get all the laughs he's capable of, but he's gotta deal. To quote the most famous standup comedian of all time "That's an awful big matzo ball to leave hangin' out there".
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Moe.
Footballguy
Who said he wasn't allowed? He did a show the other night, right? People aren't obligated to go, and venues aren't obligated to give him time. I don't understand this at all.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I know its an unpopular opinion, but I agree. Not really buying the he had the power argument regarding a guy that most of america had no idea who he was at the time and I dont think was the boss of any of the people that accused him. Wasn't one of them a producer and he was a guest star?
I dont think the fact that they admired him is enough to create "power". So definitely messed up behavior and very weird, but not what many people are saying. Didnt somebody quote a tweet earlier in this thread about false imprisonment? Thats absurd.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Louis issue is he believed his own press in thinking that he some how transcended to an auteur and member of high society and while I can appreciate someone evolving, he built and somewhat betrayed his real core audience by muting his open channel inner dialogue for more mainstream appeal.
In comedy parlance, he became a comedian you clap at and not one you laugh at, and put his dopey woody Allen schtick in there, he had no cover when the fur went flying
bigmarc27
Footballguy
Did we determine that he asked for consent before every instance? I was under the impression that he did, and if so, then I’m missing some of the outrage too. If he just called someone into his hotel room under the pretense of work and then started jacking it, then yeah that’s a major problem. If it’s two consenting adults and he asked for and received consent, then what am I missing. Obviously not asking “Hey I’m gonna do this and you’re gonna watch or else!” but “hey I like you outside of the day to day stuff, would you be into this?”
When was the last time you've been to a live comedy act? Maybe it's just my region or the venues I go to, but I've been catching shows about every other month for the last 3 or 4 years and I don't think there's been a single heckler.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
It has been a while, so you may have a point there, but CK not being hounded by audiences in the clubs where he's used to working out his sets (not to mention what SJW World will plan for him at any venue which gives notice of his appearance) would still surprise me as much as him attempting a comeback without dealing with the scandal and/or his problem in his material
Rirruto
Footballguy
There's got to be a level for Weinstein and Cosby (who are sick mother####ers) and a level for Louis (who did something definitely ####ty) and then guys like Aziz Ansari and the Talking Dead guy (who might be bad boyfriends or hook ups but did nothing wrong).
For me at the end of the day, it's like the Chappelle Show skit about Michael Jackson. He made Thriller, man. Thriller. Louis is one of the biggest in the game. I hope he eventually gets back. I don't know how long that should take or if now is the right time. If that makes me a bad dude, then I'm a bad dude.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Yes I have. Have you? And the Twitterverse? You conveniently forgot to address that.Have you actually read the discussion in here?
Foosball God
Foos
Jesus. The guy was in a position of power, the women felt compelled or they might face career limitations. This isn't difficult.bigmarc27 said:
pantherclub
Footballguy
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Position of power because they admired him. That's a terrible threshold. He was not any of their bosses. In fact i think technically one of them was his boss.
pantherclub
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
This story only made the news and became a big deal because of the ick factor. Had he propositioned these women to give him oral sex this never even gets talked about.
Physically restrained you? Nope
Asked for permission? Yes
Was your boss? Nope
Any evidence that there was any retribution to the women that said no? Nope.
Well there isn't much of a story here ladies... Did we mention that he MASTURBATED?
Oh!!!! We have a story for sure.
Foosball God
Foos
Wow. I think he's a funny guy. I like his stand up but it is sad that you guys don't see the position he put these women in. You don't have to be someone's boss to be in a position of power over them. You think all those women came out afterwards just to pile on or something? Terrible.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
NeverEnough
Footballguy
He asked them & they stayed & watched. They were not forced to stay. No doors blocked. Then months/years later you're suddenly hurt by it? Come on...
Foosball God
Foos
Right, they all just decided they were hurt by it. They were totally into it a few years ago but now they don't enjoy that kind of thing anymore so they said hey, let me ruin this guy;s career for no reason other than some other woman said she didn't enjoy it.
I don't really care if you want to go to his shows, but what he did was wrong and I find it pretty sad that a bunch of you don't see that.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
for point of reference, a year or so ago Hollywood Reporter hosted a series of roundtable discussions among people in the business of comedy (they're on youtube, quite good) and i remember someone making a point about pre-scandal Louis CK by saying "this was like 2011-12, when he owned standup comedy". CK's blessing was almost Johnny Carson-level important if you wanted to advance from club work at that time, and his help & advice was among the most valuable commodities in the realm.
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
I want to laugh. I don't need to hear about the scandal to laugh. But way to push your beliefs on others and then looking down your nose at those that don't agree with them.
bigmarc27
Footballguy
I don’t really even care for his comedy, not really a fan. I just don’t know what further steps he could have taken to ensure everything was ok. He asked, they stayed. Does everyone with a moderate level of success need to carry waivers with them and a 3rd party witness?
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I think the most recent of these incidents was back in 2006. I think it is very noteworthy that one of the women that rejected him went to the producers immediately and they were willing to shutter the production.
I also find it noteworthy that back in 2002 when it happened with the two women in the room together, they also were telling the story about what happened the next day.
That to me shows there wasn't a fear of him ruining their careers.
Foosball God
Foos
These weren't just random women he met at bars or something, they were all associates. They all had something to lose if he didn't like them.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
It sure was creepy & weird, but he asked permission & they stayed under their own free will. He did not force himself on anyone & he was not their boss. These are just more women looking for a pay day and/or their 15 minutes. #metoo
NeverEnough
Footballguy
Well, they apparently didn't have an issue with losing common sense, self-respect or dignity by staying. Are you their father?
NeverEnough
Footballguy
NeverEnough
Footballguy
Jayrod
Footballguy
I'm sure everyone sees what he did as wrong.
Rolling through a stop sign is wrong. So is committing murder. They just aren't on the same level. He didn't commit Weinstein and Cosby level atrocities so he doesn't deserve the Weinstein and Cosby level treatment. Let the punishment fit the crime.
Foosball God
Foos
Foosball God
Foos
And it is pretty clear that a bunch of people don't see it. I'm not going to change their minds and they certainly won't change mine so that's pretty much the end of it.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
If you were making the point that you should never fish off the company pier, I agree with you. I also would agree if your whole point was that it was wrong to proposition the one girl he did on the jobsite. That is workplace harassment and it was actually addressed as such back when it happened.
But the bold is just dumb considering everybody technically has something to lose by somebody not liking them. The threshold has to be different than that. It has to be a reasonable consideration. Those two women didn't sit in his room laughing and watching him masturbate because they were afraid for their careers or were worried that he wouldn't like them if they said no and left. If that was an actual fear they wouldn't have been ridiculing his behavior in the bar the very next day.
That argument defies logic.
Dana, we just have to do this! I mean we can't tell him no.
You are right Julia! Just laugh and play along.
Dana, now that he ejaculated, let's go tell everybody what just happened.
Ummmm.... Julia, won't that make him dislike us?
So?
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
oh, no, plz dont shatter me again with your devastating use of emojis like you did the other day. the klonopin is just wearing off now....
Foosball God
Foos
Or how about.
They go up to his room, he asks if he can masturbate in front of them, they think it's a joke he's Louis C.K. after all. He actually whips it out. You're uncomfortable but this guy is a powerhouse in the industry and now it is really awkward so you stay. The next day you tell the story, it still seems a bit unreal, but no one is wants to be that person that kills a production and causes a bunch of people to lose a lot of money or worse torpedo your own career because Louis C.K. quietly lets it be known that he doesn't think you're that good and maybe won't work with the company/venue if you're around, so you try to laugh it off.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
Foosball God
Foos
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
How could the aspen arts festival get killed by saying no to Louis Ck back in 2002?
You serious clark?
Foosball God
Foos
Yes, lets be the ones that caused the big stir at the Aspen Arts festival. Sorry, I said I was done but I keep getting reeled back in. Your position is known and so is mine. I'm off to church.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
That was on the cover of rolling stone right?
bigmarc27
Footballguy
I get where you’re coming from here, I do. At the same time, I just don’t know what else he could have reasonably done to create a consensual experience here. In asking them to go to his hotel room to have a drink, they said yes. Once there, he asks if they can watch him do his thing, they accept. They don’t leave. They don’t express any concern at the time.
As adults, what more could he have done? That’s my question. He didn’t presume they were ok with sexual activity just by coming to his room, he went a step further and asked them once there if they were on board with what he had in mind. If that’s not an acceptable level, what more needs to be done. There will be a million hookups in hotels this weekend among colleagues, friends, and acquaintances. Ideally, each one of these would be handled with the same level of care where the person initiating asks permission.
Moe.
Footballguy
Even Louis has said what he did was wrong. He privately apologized to many of the women years ago before anything even came out. I just read this article again to refresh my memory - cmon, there is no reason to defend his actions here. He did not get consent from all of these women to masturbate in front of them. He started jerking it in the middle of a phone conversation with one of them.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/arts/television/louis-ck-sexual-misconduct.html
edited to add "all of" to the penultimate sentence. One woman stated she went along with his request.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/arts/television/louis-ck-sexual-misconduct.html
edited to add "all of" to the penultimate sentence. One woman stated she went along with his request.
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NeverEnough
Footballguy
Did she hang up when she noticed he was whacking off?
How did she know it was masturbation?
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Moe.
Footballguy
I'm really not interested in talking about if what he did was right or wrong. I don't begrudge you for your opinion and don't expect to change your mind.
As far as present day is concerned, if he wants to try and perform again and people are willing to pay to see him I have no issues with that. I agree with what wikkid has said in this thread - if he doesn't address it I think that's pretty lame. Being a famous comedian is not a birthright. If people aren't interested in what he has to say anymore, or they don't want to be associated with him because of what he did in the past, how can you have a problem with that?
As far as present day is concerned, if he wants to try and perform again and people are willing to pay to see him I have no issues with that. I agree with what wikkid has said in this thread - if he doesn't address it I think that's pretty lame. Being a famous comedian is not a birthright. If people aren't interested in what he has to say anymore, or they don't want to be associated with him because of what he did in the past, how can you have a problem with that?
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TheFanatic
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It's the same for the other side. You may have no problem with people paying money to see him perform, but there are people that do and those people should be perfectly OK with others who choose differently. Sadly, in the world we live in, we know that's not going to be the case. We already have a story that says people were disgusted by his performance where he got the standing O.
Moe.
Footballguy
They have every right to be disgusted by his performance. Why do you have a problem with that?
When someone says they think his comeback is in poor taste, or that he shouldn't be performing - they're just stating their opinion, no different from you. It's not like he's going to be legally barred from performing or anything.
When someone says they think his comeback is in poor taste, or that he shouldn't be performing - they're just stating their opinion, no different from you. It's not like he's going to be legally barred from performing or anything.
