Commish Queston: Would you accept payment of two teams from one owner (1 Viewer)

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I commish a league where we got a new owner and he's a friend of another owner in the league. Both teams are unpaid one week before the draft and one owner is paying for both teams. I haven't accused them of one person having two teams and neither team has even traded with the other, but I simply don't like the idea of one owner paying for another. I requested in the future that each owner pays his own league fee. The one owner who's paying for both said the other owner is a cash only kind of guy. I said the other guy needs to get a money order in the future. I'm allowing it this year, but not in the future. This is just the way I choose to do business and feel I owe it to the league as commish. I hate being the commish sometimes. What are your thoughts on this?

UPDATED: I see most of you with the exception of one or two don't see a problem with this. Thanks for all the response. I guess I don't see it as something I like, but maybe that's just me. I like to see each team represented by an actual person as much as possible. Whether that's a differing checking account, signature, or other data that separates the owners. I also like having individual records of payments. It's a personal preference I guess.

 

[Warhogs]

This probably depends on how well you know the owners and maybe you would feel more comfortable if there was some history supporting they are managing their tems fairly. I run a league of old friends and two owners are brothers and sometimes the one pays for the other but they have a history of fair dealings and I don't know that they have ever even traded with each other.

 

[loose circuits]

it would certainly alert me, but there are a lot of people that are cash only people. I'd just watch for suspicious behavior between the 2 teams

 

[BigTex]

LOL, there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

it would certainly alert me, but there are a lot of people that are cash only people. I'd just watch for suspicious behavior between the 2 teams

I trust they are legitimate. One owner has been in the league since the beginning (I believe) and he's the one paying for the other owner. I simply don't like doing business this way. It's far easier for accounting purposes of who's paid what if I receive payment from each owner separately. It also helps prove, but not guarantee, they are indeed two separate owners. I believe I owe this to the league.

 

[comfortably numb]

Yea, I am fine with this, i have and would accept.

I actually pay for many leagues for a friend of mine who is cash only kinda guy.

 

[RUSF18]

it would certainly alert me, but there are a lot of people that are cash only people. I'd just watch for suspicious behavior between the 2 teams

I trust they are legitimate. One owner has been in the league since the beginning (I believe) and he's the one paying for the other owner. I simply don't like doing business this way. It's far easier for accounting purposes of who's paid what if I receive payment from each owner separately. It also helps prove, but not guarantee, they are indeed two separate owners. I believe I owe this to the league.

How does it prove anything? You could set up a second Paypal address tied to the same bank account.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

it would certainly alert me, but there are a lot of people that are cash only people. I'd just watch for suspicious behavior between the 2 teams

I trust they are legitimate. One owner has been in the league since the beginning (I believe) and he's the one paying for the other owner. I simply don't like doing business this way. It's far easier for accounting purposes of who's paid what if I receive payment from each owner separately. It also helps prove, but not guarantee, they are indeed two separate owners. I believe I owe this to the league.

How does it prove anything? You could set up a second Paypal address tied to the same bank account.

Yes, I said it doesn't guarantee anything, but it does give me separate accounting of payment for each team, which is they way I want to do it. Also, the one who's been in the league the longest and who is the one paying always pays by check.

 

[CalBear]

Seems like you're asking them to jump through a hoop for no real benefit. If it's one guy trying to cheat, he could just as easily pay his own with Paypal and get a money order to pay for the other, or do two Paypal accounts or whatever.

 

[blend]

I allow this all the time.. If someone wants to vouch for another owner, they can do so by paying their entry fee. Doesn't bother me at all.

 

[Couch Potato]

Unless/until you have some sort of actual evidence that one guy will be running both teams, I wouldn't over think it. Payment is payment.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Seems like you're asking them to jump through a hoop for no real benefit. If it's one guy trying to cheat, he could just as easily pay his own with Paypal and get a money order to pay for the other, or do two Paypal accounts or whatever.

It benefits me as the commish from an accounting purpose.

 

[belljr]

Seems like you're asking them to jump through a hoop for no real benefit. If it's one guy trying to cheat, he could just as easily pay his own with Paypal and get a money order to pay for the other, or do two Paypal accounts or whatever.

It benefits me as the commish from an accounting purpose.

How? Marking down they paid is all you need. My entire league pays cash at the draft. Do you tell people they can't pay in cash?

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Seems like you're asking them to jump through a hoop for no real benefit. If it's one guy trying to cheat, he could just as easily pay his own with Paypal and get a money order to pay for the other, or do two Paypal accounts or whatever.

It benefits me as the commish from an accounting purpose.

Seriously? Either you are very very bad bookkeeper or this is the weakest excuse I've heard. Just "pretend" that the cheque which is double the entry fee is actually two separate entry fees. Problem solved. Phewf.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Seems like you're asking them to jump through a hoop for no real benefit. If it's one guy trying to cheat, he could just as easily pay his own with Paypal and get a money order to pay for the other, or do two Paypal accounts or whatever.

It benefits me as the commish from an accounting purpose.

How? Marking down they paid is all you need. My entire league pays cash at the draft. Do you tell people they can't pay in cash?

No one knows anyone in the league (except the two owners) and have never met each other. Everyone mostly lives in a different state, so I doubt anyone will ever want to pay in cash. Money order maybe, but not cash.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Ive done this for someone before because he dont use banks, just money orders and crap like that, plus he is always broke. LOL

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

I have payed for 3 other owners. My dad only does cash and my two friends both thought it would be easier for them if I just paid so they wouldn't have to set up a pay pal account when they have no other use for one.

 

[No Way Jose]

Talk to both owners over the phone, if that makes you feel better.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Talk to both owners over the phone, if that makes you feel better.

No phone # for either. Should demand that info from every owner?

 

[Couch Potato]

Talk to both owners over the phone, if that makes you feel better.

No phone # for either. Should demand that info from every owner?

I'm saying this friend to friend, because I've known you since 2003 and like you and like your off-the-charts enthusiasm for FF. BUT... having shared 3 leagues with you under two Commissioners, and having seen many of your message board posts in those leagues, you have a real tendency to over worry things, particularly administrative things. This isn't meant to offend or put you down, it's meant to offer the suggestion that you relax on this sort of thing. It causes you stress unnecessarily. 99 of 100 (999 of 1,000?) Commissioners wouldn't even think about this payment non-issue. Worry about things that are worth worrying about, not this.

 

[bonesman]

you could elicit an email from each of them and check the headers to see if their originating IP address is different if you're really that suspicious.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Would you accept payment of two teams from one owner?

Of course.

 

[No Way Jose]

Talk to both owners over the phone, if that makes you feel better.

No phone # for either. Should demand that info from every owner?

Only the ones that you are concerned about. Also, I probably wouldn't demand anything, doubtful to get a friendly response.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

you could elicit an email from each of them and check the headers to see if their originating IP address is different if you're really that suspicious.

See OP update.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Talk to both owners over the phone, if that makes you feel better.

No phone # for either. Should demand that info from every owner?

I'm saying this friend to friend, because I've known you since 2003 and like you and like your off-the-charts enthusiasm for FF. BUT... having shared 3 leagues with you under two Commissioners, and having seen many of your message board posts in those leagues, you have a real tendency to over worry things, particularly administrative things. This isn't meant to offend or put you down, it's meant to offer the suggestion that you relax on this sort of thing. It causes you stress unnecessarily. 99 of 100 (999 of 1,000?) Commissioners wouldn't even think about this payment non-issue. Worry about things that are worth worrying about, not this.

If you want to call it unnecessary worry because I want to guarantee there are two different owners then so be it. I'm letting this go for now. Hey, I'm just trying to do what's best for the league. I always do, even when I'm wrong. I'm not saying it's one owner for two teams, I'm just trying to make sure it isn't and get the accounting the way I prefer it. I'm actually thinking about getting out of the commish business. It's not worth it. I sure don't get anything out of it except headaches.

 

[Couch Potato]

Talk to both owners over the phone, if that makes you feel better.

No phone # for either. Should demand that info from every owner?

I'm saying this friend to friend, because I've known you since 2003 and like you and like your off-the-charts enthusiasm for FF. BUT... having shared 3 leagues with you under two Commissioners, and having seen many of your message board posts in those leagues, you have a real tendency to over worry things, particularly administrative things. This isn't meant to offend or put you down, it's meant to offer the suggestion that you relax on this sort of thing. It causes you stress unnecessarily. 99 of 100 (999 of 1,000?) Commissioners wouldn't even think about this payment non-issue. Worry about things that are worth worrying about, not this.

If you want to call it unnecessary worry because I want to guarantee there are two different owners then so be it. I'm letting this go for now. Hey, I'm just trying to do what's best for the league. I always do, even when I'm wrong. I'm not saying it's one owner for two teams, I'm just trying to make sure it isn't and get the accounting the way I prefer it. I'm actually thinking about getting out of the commish business. It's not worth it. I sure don't get anything out of it except headaches.

Hey Chuck, I just want to add that I understand that you do what you do because you are a guy who cares about things, and that's a quality to be admired. People notice that you care. Hang in there buddy, and I'm sorry if I came off any way other than trying to be helpful.

 

[domvin]

you could elicit an email from each of them and check the headers to see if their originating IP address is different if you're really that suspicious.

Or ask each owner to personalize their team page-I know this is on MFL-Ask the new guy for a home address? Pretty harmlessAnnounce that you are compiling each teams personal information to prep for the rookie draft, for trades, etc.... Get names, phone numbers, cells, emails,etc....I was not involved in the kremenull fiasco, but if you can nip this in the bud, or just alleviate concern bc there may not be anything fishy here anyway.... Either way, Good Luck bro

 

[comfortably numb]

you could elicit an email from each of them and check the headers to see if their originating IP address is different if you're really that suspicious.

Or ask each owner to personalize their team page-I know this is on MFL-Ask the new guy for a home address? Pretty harmlessAnnounce that you are compiling each teams personal information to prep for the rookie draft, for trades, etc.... Get names, phone numbers, cells, emails,etc....I was not involved in the kremenull fiasco, but if you can nip this in the bud, or just alleviate concern bc there may not be anything fishy here anyway.... Either way, Good Luck bro

Dear Lord, I have a birthmark on my right ### cheek, should I add that too?To Hoss, I do hear you that Commishing can be a headache at times, but I do agree with Couch, if you are worrying about something this minor, Commishing a league must really be a burden on you.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I know this has kind of been settled, but I'd like to add that we might be seeing more of this over the next couple of years. Aside from being "cash only" or whatever...I think some folks simply can't afford the entry fee due to financial difficulties, and a buddy wants to pay their fee to keep the camaraderie going.

I understand that a person who can't afford to play shouldn't play because it's just fantasy football. But for many people, it's a big social event, a year-round source of fun and something lifelong friends do together. That might not be the case in this instance, but some folks out there might be going through a tough time and the fun of this hobby is exactly what they need in their lives to add a little fun. A friend might see that and simply decide to spot them the entry fee to keep their participation going.

As a commissioner, I would think this is at least a possibility and wouldn't push the issue much if someone is paying for someone else. I wouldn't want to embarrass anybody. As long as everyone is "paid up" you're good to go.