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Commish waits until games are played to make a ruling (1 Viewer)

What I would have done was...

  • FORCED DROP. Make the Asst. commish drop any player and keep Olsen in his lineup

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  • REPLACE TE. Make the Asst. commish drop Greg Olsen and insert his only other TE, even though the Bea

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  • TE GETS ZERO. Make the Asst. commish drop Greg Olsen, and give him a ZERO at the TE spot, BECAUSE t

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  • KEEP EXTRA PLAYER. Let the Asst. Commish keep Olsen because the site is not set up properly.

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  • GET A NEW COMMISH and Asst. Commish. So these thing get resolved before ANY of the games start.

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Beggin4Par

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Our ASSISTANT COMMISH "team" claimed Greg Olsen (CHI-TE) and started him without making a drop. I emailed our commish on Saturday morning to report it. A whole day went by and I emailed the Commish and Asst commish several times. Sunday morning, I spoke to the commish who said it was not yet resolved.

After the games started, and after the Asst Commish called me to explain (his partner did it), our Commish decided to pull Olsen from the Asst Commish lineup and inserted Alge Crumpler.

Tonight I get to watch Alge Crumpler steal a game from me that I'd have already won with Greg Olsen in the Asst Commish lineup.

I say, Olsen should have gotten ZERO due to his team owner making the invalid move (since the Commish decided to drop Olsen from the Asst Commish's team, theat means he had no TE in his starting lineup).

OR... Asst Commish should have been forced to drop a player and keep Olsen (given that he BID for him, he felt there was value there) now he gets his BID MONEY back.

Our commish had all day Saturday, after getting my email, to get this resolved before the games started. I think a commish is supposed to resolve things like this quickly.

When I lose tonight because Crumpler's points will count, that is going to change everything... standings, playoff seedings (probably), and maybe even the regular season and post season prizes

As I said before, handling it before the game started is the way it is supposed to be done. If our Assistant Comish and Commish are unable to resolve things before the games start, then how many more assistants do we need to assure us of fair play, throughout the season?

Do our Co-Commissioners even bother to verify ANY of the moves we make? I'd suggest there's a lot more to it than that.

Seriously, this is our assistant commish and the commish?

 
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did u try the guy's cell phone number? i mean on saturday most of us are on 36 hour benders that started friday night and end before kickoff sunday.

on a less serious note, nobody really cares about your league that much. get a real league like MFL where you cant pickup a player and go over your roster size, perhaps?

 
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Force drop with Olsen forced at TE seems appropriate to me. Good luck with that though.

Once the resolution is resolved, let it go and have fun. Seriously, let it go. You'll be happier. Laugh about it. Be entertained. These things happen.

Oh, and lock down what happens next time. (no commish action, force drop hopefully)

 
looks to me like you should have kept your mouth shut here and dug your own grave.

You point out the error so commish removes the WW move and puts in last week's starter.

Had you not complained......

You blame the commish for looking at the games and making his ruling(which I do agree is pretty bleh) but you too are looking at the game results wanting one guy over another based on performance and/or your thoughts on how he'll do.

BTW Both Atlanta Ts are hurt and I figure Alge will be blocking alot tonight.

 
Some people take this hobby way too seriously. I don't see what's wrong with just deleting the transaction and since Crumplers game hadn't started yet letting the owner start him instead. Had Crumplers game already been in progress I could see why you'd be upset but in this case not-so-much.

 
I think the commish did the right thing...remove the illegal player and stick in whoever should have been there.

Now, the issue of the jackass adding extra players...that part is confusing. How do you go over roster size? Could anyone have added Olsen, or just the commish? If the answer is just the folks with the commish 'power', then I say get the league to vote if they want the ###-commish fired. Any shady dealings should remove him from that post.

 
yeah I feel that the wrongly picked up TE should be dropped and the one he would have had started.... Its the only fair thing.

If you are going to complain the add shouldnt have happened then you have to be willing to undo it. It stinks you lose, but its not fair to make a stink and then complain when its fixed.

 
Dude, there's only 2 possible solutions here:

1. add/drop is invalidated -- original lineup remains intact (Crumpler starts, YOU LOSE)

2. add/drop is allowed -- Olsen starts, YOU LOSE

If you want to win on a technicality (which would not have existed if the Commish had taken care of this before the games started) then I feel sorry for anyone who has to play in a league with you.

 
Dude, there's only 2 possible solutions here:

1. add/drop is invalidated -- original lineup remains intact (Crumpler starts, YOU LOSE)

2. add/drop is allowed -- Olsen starts, YOU LOSE

If you want to win on a technicality (which would not have existed if the Commish had taken care of this before the games started) then I feel sorry for anyone who has to play in a league with you.
:thumbup: What he said.

 
Isn't there like a "whiners," "sore losers," or "crying" thread for stuff like this? Seriously, it's not like your commish is taking in a six figure salary here. So the guy is busy with his family on a Saturday and has priorities? Cut him some slack. Quit the #####ing and take your 'L' like a man.

Our ASSISTANT COMMISH "team" claimed Greg Olsen (CHI-TE) and started him without making a drop. I emailed our commish on Saturday morning to report it. A whole day went by and I emailed the Commish and Asst commish several times. Sunday morning, I spoke to the commish who said it was not yet resolved.

After the games started, and after the Asst Commish called me to explain (his partner did it), our Commish decided to pull Olsen from the Asst Commish lineup and inserted Alge Crumpler.

Tonight I get to watch Alge Crumpler steal a game from me that I'd have already won with Greg Olsen in the Asst Commish lineup.

I say, Olsen should have gotten ZERO due to his team owner making the invalid move (since the Commish decided to drop Olsen from the Asst Commish's team, theat means he had no TE in his starting lineup).

OR... Asst Commish should have been forced to drop a player and keep Olsen (given that he BID for him, he felt there was value there) now he gets his BID MONEY back.

Our commish had all day Saturday, after getting my email, to get this resolved before the games started. I think a commish is supposed to resolve things like this quickly.

When I lose tonight because Crumpler's points will count, that is going to change everything... standings, playoff seedings (probably), and maybe even the regular season and post season prizes

As I said before, handling it before the game started is the way it is supposed to be done. If our Assistant Comish and Commish are unable to resolve things before the games start, then how many more assistants do we need to assure us of fair play, throughout the season?

Do our Co-Commissioners even bother to verify ANY of the moves we make? I'd suggest there's a lot more to it than that.

Seriously, this is our assistant commish and the commish?
 
Dude, there's only 2 possible solutions here:

1. add/drop is invalidated -- original lineup remains intact (Crumpler starts, YOU LOSE)

2. add/drop is allowed -- Olsen starts, YOU LOSE

If you want to win on a technicality (which would not have existed if the Commish had taken care of this before the games started) then I feel sorry for anyone who has to play in a league with you.
:confused: What he said.
You didn't read me correctly. I WIN if he leaves Olsen in the lineup. As it turns out, I won with his replacement (Alge Crumpler) in the lineup. The point of my posting wasn't so much the WIN that hung in the balance last night. it was that the Asst. Commish made an invalid move, and then the Commish lolly-gagged his way into the league site to correct it after the games had started.I was pushing our Commish to make a decision before the games started, and being a weak Commish, he did NOTHING until until my 6th email to him.

I think a Commish should make quicker decisions, and an Asst Commish should know the rules well enough NOT to make invalid claims.

'Nuff said... Next thread... nothing to see here.

 
Nothing personal, but I'm pretty sure that everyone in here ragging on the OP would be #####ing and moaning as much, if not more, if someone started an illegal lineup against them and the commish reveresed it after the fact.

 
Nothing personal, but I'm pretty sure that everyone in here ragging on the OP would be #####ing and moaning as much, if not more, if someone started an illegal lineup against them and the commish reveresed it after the fact.
I wholehearedly disagree. If I alerted my commissioner that my opponent started an illegal lineup, and the commissioner fixed said lineup, I don't see what there would be to complain about.
 
Beggin4Par said:
Our ASSISTANT COMMISH "team" claimed Greg Olsen (CHI-TE) and started him without making a drop. I emailed our commish on Saturday morning to report it. A whole day went by and I emailed the Commish and Asst commish several times. Sunday morning, I spoke to the commish who said it was not yet resolved.

After the games started, and after the Asst Commish called me to explain (his partner did it), our Commish decided to pull Olsen from the Asst Commish lineup and inserted Alge Crumpler.

Tonight I get to watch Alge Crumpler steal a game from me that I'd have already won with Greg Olsen in the Asst Commish lineup.

I say, Olsen should have gotten ZERO due to his team owner making the invalid move (since the Commish decided to drop Olsen from the Asst Commish's team, theat means he had no TE in his starting lineup).

OR... Asst Commish should have been forced to drop a player and keep Olsen (given that he BID for him, he felt there was value there) now he gets his BID MONEY back.

Our commish had all day Saturday, after getting my email, to get this resolved before the games started. I think a commish is supposed to resolve things like this quickly.

When I lose tonight because Crumpler's points will count, that is going to change everything... standings, playoff seedings (probably), and maybe even the regular season and post season prizes

As I said before, handling it before the game started is the way it is supposed to be done. If our Assistant Comish and Commish are unable to resolve things before the games start, then how many more assistants do we need to assure us of fair play, throughout the season?

Do our Co-Commissioners even bother to verify ANY of the moves we make? I'd suggest there's a lot more to it than that.

Seriously, this is our assistant commish and the commish?
Also - I don't like any of your poll choices. I think the way it was handled was fine.
 
Beggin4Par said:
I was pushing our Commish to make a decision before the games started, and being a weak Commish, he did NOTHING until until my 6th email to him.
Or else he's not an uber-nerd, and doesn't check his e-mail every five seconds?There are other possibilities here besides an attempt to screw you over. They probably don't care nearly as much as you do.
 
Beggin4Par said:
I was pushing our Commish to make a decision before the games started, and being a weak Commish, he did NOTHING until until my 6th email to him.
Or else he's not an uber-nerd, and doesn't check his e-mail every five seconds?There are other possibilities here besides an attempt to screw you over. They probably don't care nearly as much as you do.
Then the guy probably shouldn't be the commish. I think the day before the games, and definitely the morning of, the commish has the responsibility to make sure everything is running fine. If he doesn't want to do that, I can guarentee someone in the league would be willing too. Hand off the responsibility if you don't want it.
 
I'm confused how the other owner stole a win. Crumpler got fewer points than Olsen. Exactly when was Olsen removed from the team? 5 minutes after it started? after the whole game? Either way, I thik the commish did the right thing. the league does need to address how it happened ASAP.

 
Beggin4Par said:
dozer said:
[scooter] said:
Dude, there's only 2 possible solutions here:

1. add/drop is invalidated -- original lineup remains intact (Crumpler starts, YOU LOSE)

2. add/drop is allowed -- Olsen starts, YOU LOSE

If you want to win on a technicality (which would not have existed if the Commish had taken care of this before the games started) then I feel sorry for anyone who has to play in a league with you.
:thumbup: What he said.
You didn't read me correctly. I WIN if he leaves Olsen in the lineup. As it turns out, I won with his replacement (Alge Crumpler) in the lineup. The point of my posting wasn't so much the WIN that hung in the balance last night. it was that the Asst. Commish made an invalid move, and then the Commish lolly-gagged his way into the league site to correct it after the games had started.I was pushing our Commish to make a decision before the games started, and being a weak Commish, he did NOTHING until until my 6th email to him.

I think a Commish should make quicker decisions, and an Asst Commish should know the rules well enough NOT to make invalid claims.

'Nuff said... Next thread... nothing to see here.
how much is he getting paid to commish your league?
 
So in other words, you felt the right decision was whichever one gave you a win?!

Either accept the Olsen move, which you already stated was illegal, or force him to take a zero for an illegal lineup. How does that make any sense?

Your issue seems to be that the commish didn't make the move in a timely enough manner, but you only sent emails. Perhaps a phone call would have helped, since after the first 3 or 4 emails it should have been apparent he either wasn't checking email or was not responding to your nagging. Seems pretty passive aggressive to me.

As others have said, you need to lighten up. It's just fantasy football. The commish ruled in the spirit of the competition. I'm the commissioner in one of my leagues, and in all the years, I've never punitively ruled against someone who made an illegal move. That's petty and does more damage in the long run to the league because you have a set a precedent that mistakes are never acceptable.

 
Beggin4Par said:
I was pushing our Commish to make a decision before the games started, and being a weak Commish, he did NOTHING until until my 6th email to him.
Or else he's not an uber-nerd, and doesn't check his e-mail every five seconds?There are other possibilities here besides an attempt to screw you over. They probably don't care nearly as much as you do.
Then the guy probably shouldn't be the commish. I think the day before the games, and definitely the morning of, the commish has the responsibility to make sure everything is running fine. If he doesn't want to do that, I can guarentee someone in the league would be willing too. Hand off the responsibility if you don't want it.
:ptts:Let's give an example.Your commish is a hardcore FF nut. He's one of those who checks his lineups every day, gets e-mails, checks the SP daily, etc.But, he goes to Oklahoma for the weekend to see his college play in Norman. He stays through Sunday hanging out with his best friend. Doesn't get a chance to check e-mails.Oh, wait, that's me. And my cell phone was on the whole time. If there was a problem, after the 5th e-mail, you might want to try and pick up the phone.HTH
 
But, he goes to Oklahoma for the weekend to see his college play in Norman. He stays through Sunday hanging out with his best friend. Doesn't get a chance to check e-mails.Oh, wait, that's me. And my cell phone was on the whole time. If there was a problem, after the 5th e-mail, you might want to try and pick up the phone.HTH
And I bet you let your league know you were out of town right? That's what a good commish does. Yes, I've done it before. No, it isn't hard. No, you don't have to be a total hard core FF junkie to do it well. It really doesn't take THAT much effort to be a good commish.By the way, I'm not saying the OP is right here and I'm not saying the commish's decision is wrong. I'm just saying the commish could have easily taken care of things so it wouldn't have even been an issue. Once again, that's what being a good commish is all about.
 
But, he goes to Oklahoma for the weekend to see his college play in Norman. He stays through Sunday hanging out with his best friend. Doesn't get a chance to check e-mails.Oh, wait, that's me. And my cell phone was on the whole time. If there was a problem, after the 5th e-mail, you might want to try and pick up the phone.HTH
And I bet you let your league know you were out of town right? That's what a good commish does. Yes, I've done it before. No, it isn't hard. No, you don't have to be a total hard core FF junkie to do it well. It really doesn't take THAT much effort to be a good commish.By the way, I'm not saying the OP is right here and I'm not saying the commish's decision is wrong. I'm just saying the commish could have easily taken care of things so it wouldn't have even been an issue. Once again, that's what being a good commish is all about.
:football:Some people are just amazing.
 
But, he goes to Oklahoma for the weekend to see his college play in Norman. He stays through Sunday hanging out with his best friend. Doesn't get a chance to check e-mails.Oh, wait, that's me. And my cell phone was on the whole time. If there was a problem, after the 5th e-mail, you might want to try and pick up the phone.HTH
And I bet you let your league know you were out of town right? That's what a good commish does. Yes, I've done it before. No, it isn't hard. No, you don't have to be a total hard core FF junkie to do it well. It really doesn't take THAT much effort to be a good commish.By the way, I'm not saying the OP is right here and I'm not saying the commish's decision is wrong. I'm just saying the commish could have easily taken care of things so it wouldn't have even been an issue. Once again, that's what being a good commish is all about.
:mellow:Some people are just amazing.
Uhm, ok. Thanks for not answering the question. I guess maybe you're a min effort commish yourself? :goodposting: And no, that isn't sarcasm. Serious question.Edit: Another thought on this given the general pass this commish gets. Are you in fairly cheap leagues? I can see where a $25 league is likely to be much "looser" than say a league with a $300 entry fee. I can't see a serious money league being so casual with things.
 
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But, he goes to Oklahoma for the weekend to see his college play in Norman. He stays through Sunday hanging out with his best friend. Doesn't get a chance to check e-mails.

Oh, wait, that's me. And my cell phone was on the whole time. If there was a problem, after the 5th e-mail, you might want to try and pick up the phone.

HTH
And I bet you let your league know you were out of town right? That's what a good commish does. Yes, I've done it before. No, it isn't hard. No, you don't have to be a total hard core FF junkie to do it well. It really doesn't take THAT much effort to be a good commish.By the way, I'm not saying the OP is right here and I'm not saying the commish's decision is wrong. I'm just saying the commish could have easily taken care of things so it wouldn't have even been an issue. Once again, that's what being a good commish is all about.
:pickle: Some people are just amazing.
Uhm, ok. Thanks for not answering the question. I guess maybe you're a min effort commish yourself? :goodposting: And no, that isn't sarcasm. Serious question.Edit: Another thought on this given the general pass this commish gets. Are you in fairly cheap leagues? I can see where a $25 league is likely to be much "looser" than say a league with a $300 entry fee. I can't see a serious money league being so casual with things.
OK everyone thanks for the feedback. Now here's what happened and here's why I say we have a weak commish and a problem at assistant commish.1. Asst Commish was the guilty party. His role is clearly defined as the 2nd resource to go to if there is a problem. In this case, he caused the problem.

2. Commish was contacted and did nothing until the games started.

3. Asst commish called me before the game, claimed ignorance, and did nothing.

4. Then Crumpler was switched into the lineup for Greg Olsen. Commish said Olsen must be dropped. (FINE, let's say I agree with that ruling).

and here's the best part...

Today, the commish reversed his decision, let the Assistant commish keep Greg Olsen (the invalid claim), and let him choose today who he would drop.

Asst commish dropped Kurt Warner... who was just picked up last week. (Why drop him? Oh yeah, he has that torn ligament thingy.)

Last week, looking at his roster, his worst player was probably Kevin Faulk. (Recently upgraded his value, no?)

So, am I still making too big a deal of it?

I trust a lot of the feedback I get here. If you could consider the above seriously, it would be appreicated.

 
Please stop whining / posting here. Nobody cares about your fantasy league in the Shark Pool. Maybe in the AC forum.

Did you even lose the game, for crying out loud (pun intended)!!!

 
But, he goes to Oklahoma for the weekend to see his college play in Norman. He stays through Sunday hanging out with his best friend. Doesn't get a chance to check e-mails.

Oh, wait, that's me. And my cell phone was on the whole time. If there was a problem, after the 5th e-mail, you might want to try and pick up the phone.

HTH
And I bet you let your league know you were out of town right? That's what a good commish does. Yes, I've done it before. No, it isn't hard. No, you don't have to be a total hard core FF junkie to do it well. It really doesn't take THAT much effort to be a good commish.By the way, I'm not saying the OP is right here and I'm not saying the commish's decision is wrong. I'm just saying the commish could have easily taken care of things so it wouldn't have even been an issue. Once again, that's what being a good commish is all about.
:mellow: Some people are just amazing.
Uhm, ok. Thanks for not answering the question. I guess maybe you're a min effort commish yourself? :goodposting: And no, that isn't sarcasm. Serious question.Edit: Another thought on this given the general pass this commish gets. Are you in fairly cheap leagues? I can see where a $25 league is likely to be much "looser" than say a league with a $300 entry fee. I can't see a serious money league being so casual with things.
OK everyone thanks for the feedback. Now here's what happened and here's why I say we have a weak commish and a problem at assistant commish.1. Asst Commish was the guilty party. His role is clearly defined as the 2nd resource to go to if there is a problem. In this case, he caused the problem.

2. Commish was contacted and did nothing until the games started.

3. Asst commish called me before the game, claimed ignorance, and did nothing.

4. Then Crumpler was switched into the lineup for Greg Olsen. Commish said Olsen must be dropped. (FINE, let's say I agree with that ruling).

and here's the best part...

Today, the commish reversed his decision, let the Assistant commish keep Greg Olsen (the invalid claim), and let him choose today who he would drop.

Asst commish dropped Kurt Warner... who was just picked up last week. (Why drop him? Oh yeah, he has that torn ligament thingy.)

Last week, looking at his roster, his worst player was probably Kevin Faulk. (Recently upgraded his value, no?)

So, am I still making too big a deal of it?

I trust a lot of the feedback I get here. If you could consider the above seriously, it would be appreicated.
Your commish is a doosh bag, and you're making too big a deal about it.Can we be done with this trivial stuff and move on to your Week 7 gripe now and just get it out of the way?

 
Dude, there's only 2 possible solutions here:

1. add/drop is invalidated -- original lineup remains intact (Crumpler starts, YOU LOSE)

2. add/drop is allowed -- Olsen starts, YOU LOSE

If you want to win on a technicality (which would not have existed if the Commish had taken care of this before the games started) then I feel sorry for anyone who has to play in a league with you.
:goodposting: What he said.
:mellow:
 
But, he goes to Oklahoma for the weekend to see his college play in Norman. He stays through Sunday hanging out with his best friend. Doesn't get a chance to check e-mails.

Oh, wait, that's me. And my cell phone was on the whole time. If there was a problem, after the 5th e-mail, you might want to try and pick up the phone.

HTH
And I bet you let your league know you were out of town right? That's what a good commish does. Yes, I've done it before. No, it isn't hard. No, you don't have to be a total hard core FF junkie to do it well. It really doesn't take THAT much effort to be a good commish.By the way, I'm not saying the OP is right here and I'm not saying the commish's decision is wrong. I'm just saying the commish could have easily taken care of things so it wouldn't have even been an issue. Once again, that's what being a good commish is all about.
:mellow: Some people are just amazing.
Uhm, ok. Thanks for not answering the question. I guess maybe you're a min effort commish yourself? :confused: And no, that isn't sarcasm. Serious question.Edit: Another thought on this given the general pass this commish gets. Are you in fairly cheap leagues? I can see where a $25 league is likely to be much "looser" than say a league with a $300 entry fee. I can't see a serious money league being so casual with things.
OK everyone thanks for the feedback. Now here's what happened and here's why I say we have a weak commish and a problem at assistant commish.1. Asst Commish was the guilty party. His role is clearly defined as the 2nd resource to go to if there is a problem. In this case, he caused the problem.

2. Commish was contacted and did nothing until the games started.

3. Asst commish called me before the game, claimed ignorance, and did nothing.

4. Then Crumpler was switched into the lineup for Greg Olsen. Commish said Olsen must be dropped. (FINE, let's say I agree with that ruling).

and here's the best part...

Today, the commish reversed his decision, let the Assistant commish keep Greg Olsen (the invalid claim), and let him choose today who he would drop.

Asst commish dropped Kurt Warner... who was just picked up last week. (Why drop him? Oh yeah, he has that torn ligament thingy.)

Last week, looking at his roster, his worst player was probably Kevin Faulk. (Recently upgraded his value, no?)

So, am I still making too big a deal of it?

I trust a lot of the feedback I get here. If you could consider the above seriously, it would be appreicated.
That's b.s. I think he was correct initially to drop Olsen and put Crumpler in his lineup. No way should he be allowed to keep Olsen since he had an illegal roster (not sure how the website would allow this) so that should nullify the transaction. It sounds like either the commish is an idiot or it's a very casual league with very loose rules. In any event it doesn't sound like a fun league to be in.

 
It sounds like your whining and complaining prompted the commish to side with the other team, just to piss you off a bit more.

 
But, he goes to Oklahoma for the weekend to see his college play in Norman. He stays through Sunday hanging out with his best friend. Doesn't get a chance to check e-mails.Oh, wait, that's me. And my cell phone was on the whole time. If there was a problem, after the 5th e-mail, you might want to try and pick up the phone.HTH
And I bet you let your league know you were out of town right? That's what a good commish does. Yes, I've done it before. No, it isn't hard. No, you don't have to be a total hard core FF junkie to do it well. It really doesn't take THAT much effort to be a good commish.By the way, I'm not saying the OP is right here and I'm not saying the commish's decision is wrong. I'm just saying the commish could have easily taken care of things so it wouldn't have even been an issue. Once again, that's what being a good commish is all about.
I agree. If you want to run it, run it right, I've never understood the half-assed leagues, particularly when there is money involved. I love all these people saying, "Well don't be such a ____, don't be such a nerd, not everyone is hardcore, etc." Then why bother doing it? There's a right way and wrong way (usually). Doesn't mean you have to be a #####, just run things according to rules, stay on top of things.
 
It appears that Olsen was in his starting lineup at the time the game started. Therefore, Olsen should be his tight end for the week. A commish should NOT reward a team positive points (especially a win) because of a roster infringment.

I would probably drop the lowest scoring player on the team that was on the bench or maybe a 2nd kicker, but I would NOT create a situation where the team wins based on that teams mistake. I've been a Commish for 10+ years and this will create people trying to work around the rules and look for gray areas in the rules. In my league if you don't have the correct amount of starters and reserves then you're rewarded ZERO points. I try to make sure everyone has the right amount and if it happened I wouldn't let a team get ZERO points, but I definately wouldn't reward a team a win becuase that same team didn't follow the rules.

 

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