Commissioner problem? (1 Viewer)

[dhockster]

I called everyone spoke to everyone and the league is split on it. We don't have a rule against it (although we should, but you live and learn). It doesn't benefit me in any way. Sure I would play the 4 seed but I could care less who I play. The only way it would benefit me is that we give 50 dollars to the person that finishes as the top seed. I explained to the owner that I would give home the 50 if Hernandez scores more than 2 points. Only because one owner said that he agrees that my brother should be able to do what he wants but feels its messed up for the other guy to get cheated outta 50 dollars. I don't know if he's starting or sitting him as of now I told the league It's his team he will do what he wants so we will see and vote next year to change the rule

I do think you should recuse yourself and let league vote decide since you benefit from your decision to let him leave an open starting spot his own roster (your decision would put you against the 4th seed which is a worse team than your brother's team).

Tried to do the league vote but to many people have chips in play. I ask the 4 seed and he voted against it cuz now he'd have to play me (best team in league). Then a couple people voted in favor of my brother because they just downright can't stand the other guy.

I would probably go by vote of all the non-playoff owners. If owners vote based on personal feelings and not the facts of the situation, there is nothing you can do about that. I think you will have done everything you could as commissioner to come to a fair decision with the rules written as they are.

Been there done that 2-2 split

So that basically puts it back in your lap. Whether it is the right decision or not, I think you have to force him to start Hernandez because that benefits you the least, and thus, removes any appearance that your decision was based on your own self-interest. Thus the integrity of the commissioner is protected. Again, it may not be the right decision, but it is the best decision you can make based on the circumstances.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

This is just one person has nothing to do with anyone else besides him and what's best for his team

It's not true that it "has nothing to do with anyone else besides him." It potentially impacts the playoff futures of three other teams, in addition to his own. That's why "it's ok if it's in his team's best interest" is a poor argument. His team's interests are not the only ones, as commissioner, that you are tasked to protect.

I'm not taking sides

Unfortunately you are. It's not your fault, but that comes with being the commissioner. A league issue has been raised that has previously never been addressed, and you're forced to make a decision on the spot. Not doing anything is taking a side: on the question, "In the absence of a rule specifically prohibiting it, should an owner be allowed to submit an incomplete lineup to impact playoff seeding?" you're taking the side "Yes."

 

[Yitbos69]

So if he wins he plays you? If he loses he plays someone else? So it changes who you both play? How is that not collusion?

alternately challenge his manhood

tell him if he is that afraid to play the other team perhaps fantasy chess is more his style

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Haha I already have since it would be me he is scared to play. He is so scared of the Strait Cash Homeys

 

[dhockster]

Two comparable real life scenarios:

-The NFL allows teams to rest its starters at the end of the season. This can impact who makes the playoffs. Several years ago, the Jets were 7-7 and playing the Colts who were undefeated. The Colts, with the lead, decided to rest Peyton Manning and various other starters in the 2nd half. The Jets won the game. The following week, the Jets played the Bengals, who had already clinched a playoff spot and could not get a bye. Therefore the playoffs started the following week for the Bengals. The Bengals decided to rest their starters and the Jets won again and made the playoffs.

Somebody got knocked out of the playoffs because teams did not play their best possible line-up and another team benefitted from that.

-In the Olympics last year, several asian country teams (I don't remember which country) were disqualified in Ping Pong for tanking games that would get them easier opponents down the line. The olympics stated that this went against the spirit of the olympics.

I think the NFL example is more in line with this situation, but I obviously see the argument on both sides.

 

[JShare87]

So if he wins he plays you? If he loses he plays someone else? So it changes who you both play? How is that not collusion?

alternately challenge his manhood

tell him if he is that afraid to play the other team perhaps fantasy chess is more his style

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Haha I already have since it would be me he is scared to play. He is so scared of the Strait Cash Homeys

Because I'm not conspiring with him or telling him what to do......... I'm the one trying to stop him from benching Hernandez in the first place.

 

[Yitbos69]

its clear that you and your brother don't want to play each other...he is willing to lose to you to give you both a better chance at winning...its clearly collusion...it is not in the best interest of your league and you as commish are the one that is supposed to protect your league when the written rules don't....

So if he wins he plays you? If he loses he plays someone else? So it changes who you both play? How is that not collusion?

alternately challenge his manhood

tell him if he is that afraid to play the other team perhaps fantasy chess is more his style

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Haha I already have since it would be me he is scared to play. He is so scared of the Strait Cash Homeys

Because I'm not conspiring with him or telling him what to do......... I'm the one trying to stop him from benching Hernandez in the first place.

 

[JShare87]

its clear that you and your brother don't want to play each other...he is willing to lose to you to give you both a better chance at winning...its clearly collusion...it is not in the best interest of your league and you as commish are the one that is supposed to protect your league when the written rules don't....

So if he wins he plays you? If he loses he plays someone else? So it changes who you both play? How is that not collusion?

alternately challenge his manhood

tell him if he is that afraid to play the other team perhaps fantasy chess is more his style

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Haha I already have since it would be me he is scared to play. He is so scared of the Strait Cash Homeys

Because I'm not conspiring with him or telling him what to do......... I'm the one trying to stop him from benching Hernandez in the first place.

In what part of these 2 pages did you come to the conclusion that I don't want to play him. I've already said I could care less who I play the 4 seed has a really good team as well.

 

[B-Deep]

its clear that you and your brother don't want to play each other...he is willing to lose to you to give you both a better chance at winning...its clearly collusion...it is not in the best interest of your league and you as commish are the one that is supposed to protect your league when the written rules don't....

So if he wins he plays you? If he loses he plays someone else? So it changes who you both play? How is that not collusion?

alternately challenge his manhood

tell him if he is that afraid to play the other team perhaps fantasy chess is more his style

\

Haha I already have since it would be me he is scared to play. He is so scared of the Strait Cash Homeys

Because I'm not conspiring with him or telling him what to do......... I'm the one trying to stop him from benching Hernandez in the first place.

In what part of these 2 pages did you come to the conclusion that I don't want to play him. I've already said I could care less who I play the 4 seed has a really good team as well.

if you let him bench gronk some people will think this

if you don;t the only one mad is your brother

tell him he can;t put you in this position as comish and he should start gronk and stop being a jerk

and then clarify that intentionally losing games is crap for next season

 

[Varmint]

Our league rules state that the division winner gets to CHOOSE who he will face in the first week of the playoffs

 

[T J]

NOT collusion in any way. He can do what he wants per your rules. He's trying to win and while some may question his tactics, it's a legal, viable strategy.

 

[kegger]

NOT collusion in any way. He can do what he wants per your rules. He's trying to win and while some may question his tactics, it's a legal, viable strategy.

 

[pantagrapher]

NOT collusion in any way. He can do what he wants per your rules. He's trying to win and while some may question his tactics, it's a legal, viable strategy.

Once he starts discussing it with the other team that benefits from the decision to tank, it's basically two teams agreeing to fix the outcome of a game.

 

[T J]

NOT collusion in any way. He can do what he wants per your rules. He's trying to win and while some may question his tactics, it's a legal, viable strategy.

Once he starts discussing it with the other team that benefits from the decision to tank, it's basically two teams agreeing to fix the outcome of a game.

Wrong. Collusion is, by definition, when two or more parties conspire to achieve an outcome. The mere fact of it being discussed does not mean the second party engaged in any conspiracy o achieve any specific outcome. In fact, in this case, the commish told his brother NOT to do what he was considering. You can't hold it against someone simply because one person mentioned what he was thinking about doing to another person.

 

[Lionz will turn it around!]

If it is not going to affect another team making the playoffs and you do not have a rule about line-ups I do not see the problem with him sitting Aaron. But if him winning would make another team make the playoffs then he would need to start Hernandez tonight and do the right thing.

 

[JShare87]

NOT collusion in any way. He can do what he wants per your rules. He's trying to win and while some may question his tactics, it's a legal, viable strategy.

Once he starts discussing it with the other team that benefits from the decision to tank, it's basically two teams agreeing to fix the outcome of a game.

Wrong. Collusion is, by definition, when two or more parties conspire to achieve an outcome. The mere fact of it being discussed does not mean the second party engaged in any conspiracy o achieve any specific outcome. In fact, in this case, the commish told his brother NOT to do what he was considering. You can't hold it against someone simply because one person mentioned what he was thinking about doing to another person.

Thank you that's what I've been saying he is upset because I (the commissioner) brought it up to the league about what he wanted to do. Someone in the league text me and said a Eric is sitting Hernanadez are u going to let that fly. I said no absolutely not. I call my brother and tell him he can't do that then he explains his reasoning in doing it. I see his point but I also see how this would upset other league members. At no point did I tell him what to do because that would benefit me. The only reason I have a say in this is because I'm the commish. All I was trying to do is get the leagues opinion on a problem that's all (thats why i called every member of the league and got their opinion no collusion.

 

[glumpy]

Ok right now I am the one seed he is the 3. If he Beats me I drop down to the 3 he gets the 2 seed and the current 2 seed the one with Vick Ballard and turner will move up to the one seed. Therefore I would rematch my brother as the 2 plays the 3. However if he losses I will remain the one and he would be the 3 seed playing the current 2 seed with Vick Ballard and turner. This whole thing has gotten really outta hand. My brother is extremely fired up that I won't let this slide and its causes a pretty ugly even throughout the league not good at all.

Perception-wise this could be your biggest problem. Do you have 1st and 2nd place awards? Him sitting Hernandez could look like an effort to make it an all brothers' final.

 

[Johnny Blood]

I called everyone spoke to everyone and the league is split on it. We don't have a rule against it (although we should, but you live and learn). It doesn't benefit me in any way. Sure I would play the 4 seed but I could care less who I play.

I hope you didn't give that argument to the league. It doesn't make any difference what you *as an owner* think about who you want to play.Don't mix up being an owner and a commissioner.The reason the #1 seed plays the #4 seed is because it is expected (not guaranteed) that the 4 seed is the weakest. Whether you as an owner think that is true in this case is totally irrelevant.

 

[dhockster]

What did you end up doing? Did you brother have to play Hernandez or not?

 

[JShare87]

He sat him...... I told him do what he wanted the league was split 50/50 on it so not much I could do as there is no rule against it. He wanted to sit him so we will see if it backfires on him. I know they're just projections but he is projected 160 and the guy he is now facing is projected 100. I was also projected 160 the guy he would've played if he started him.