Commissioner's - How would you handle this: (1 Viewer)

[azcards33]

16 team league that is extremely deep (Yahoo free). A couple (2) of managers feel that they'd rather not have, or start, a kicker, and instead keep an extra bench player.

I've already posted a note stating that all teams need to have a Kicker by Week 1, but those same two teams have still not picked a kicker up

What's the next step?

 

[Raging Alpaca]

16 team league that is extremely deep (Yahoo free). A couple (2) of managers feel that they'd rather not have, or start, a kicker, and instead keep an extra bench player. I've already posted a note stating that all teams need to have a Kicker by Week 1, but those same two teams have still not picked a kicker upWhat's the next step?

Do you have league rules which explicitly state the starting lineup requirements. and lay out what, if any penalty there is for not fielding a complete lineup? If no, I see no problem with the strategic decision to not start a kicker, though I think it's a dumb move.

 

[azcards33]

16 team league that is extremely deep (Yahoo free). A couple (2) of managers feel that they'd rather not have, or start, a kicker, and instead keep an extra bench player. I've already posted a note stating that all teams need to have a Kicker by Week 1, but those same two teams have still not picked a kicker upWhat's the next step?

Do you have league rules which explicitly state the starting lineup requirements. and lay out what, if any penalty there is for not fielding a complete lineup? If no, I see no problem with the strategic decision to not start a kicker, though I think it's a dumb move.

it's not a keeper league and there aren't any specific rules stating they must start one, but it is a required position, so shouldn't they have to have one?

 

[wannabee]

1. what do the rules say about fielding/starting a player at each position, including byes?

2. wait until the first week to do anything. They could be waiting until after this weekend's games to pick up a kicker. They could be waiting until they see how the Vinateri and Koenen situations, among others, shake out.

 

[gorf]

16 team league that is extremely deep (Yahoo free). A couple (2) of managers feel that they'd rather not have, or start, a kicker, and instead keep an extra bench player.

I've already posted a note stating that all teams need to have a Kicker by Week 1, but those same two teams have still not picked a kicker up

What's the next step?

Do you have league rules which explicitly state the starting lineup requirements. and lay out what, if any penalty there is for not fielding a complete lineup? If no, I see no problem with the strategic decision to not start a kicker, though I think it's a dumb move.

it's not a keeper league and there aren't any specific rules stating they must start one, but it is a required position, so shouldn't they have to have one?

this does not compute.

 

[paz1]

They get a loss for illegal lineup.

Now if it wasn't stated that a kicker was mandatory before the draft then it's a little stickier...

 

[BrentBlack]

You could tell them to do one thing and change your mind after the game has started. Oh wait...that's what you do in the FFA.

 

[Raging Alpaca]

16 team league that is extremely deep (Yahoo free). A couple (2) of managers feel that they'd rather not have, or start, a kicker, and instead keep an extra bench player. I've already posted a note stating that all teams need to have a Kicker by Week 1, but those same two teams have still not picked a kicker upWhat's the next step?

Do you have league rules which explicitly state the starting lineup requirements. and lay out what, if any penalty there is for not fielding a complete lineup? If no, I see no problem with the strategic decision to not start a kicker, though I think it's a dumb move.

it's not a keeper league and there aren't any specific rules stating they must start one, but it is a required position, so shouldn't they have to have one?

If there is no rule saying that teams with an incomplete lineup will be ineligble/forfeit, then I think they are within their rights to refrain from starting a kicker.

 

[paz1]

16 team league that is extremely deep (Yahoo free). A couple (2) of managers feel that they'd rather not have, or start, a kicker, and instead keep an extra bench player. I've already posted a note stating that all teams need to have a Kicker by Week 1, but those same two teams have still not picked a kicker upWhat's the next step?

Do you have league rules which explicitly state the starting lineup requirements. and lay out what, if any penalty there is for not fielding a complete lineup? If no, I see no problem with the strategic decision to not start a kicker, though I think it's a dumb move.

it's not a keeper league and there aren't any specific rules stating they must start one, but it is a required position, so shouldn't they have to have one?

Just saw this and agree with the "does not compute" post.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I guess it`s there FANTASY to not play kickers....how about D/ST...do they play those ???

 

[GregR_2]

I can understand a rule requiring teams to have a valid starting lineup each week. If nothing else it gives you something upon which you can act when you have an owner go AWOL and not setting his lineup.

I don't understand a need to micromanage people's rosters other than that. If they want to hold on to a guy until they find out how a situation shapes out, then get a starter from waivers at the last minute, that should be their choice.

 

[ditka...mike ditka]

all they are doing is waiting until right before kickoff of week 1 to grab their kicker at the last allowable time. They are probably using that spot up on someone like cedric cobbs that they hope will be named the starter...then they could just drop someone else and grab a kicker to start..if cobbs isnt the starter, they drop him on saturday or sunday morning (or thursday since there is a game then) and grab a kicker.......

what dont you understand?

 

[dirtyhalos]

I can understand a rule requiring teams to have a valid starting lineup each week. If nothing else it gives you something upon which you can act when you have an owner go AWOL and not setting his lineup.I don't understand a need to micromanage people's rosters other than that. If they want to hold on to a guy until they find out how a situation shapes out, then get a starter from waivers at the last minute, that should be their choice.

 

[azcards33]

all they are doing is waiting until right before kickoff of week 1 to grab their kicker at the last allowable time. They are probably using that spot up on someone like cedric cobbs that they hope will be named the starter...then they could just drop someone else and grab a kicker to start..if cobbs isnt the starter, they drop him on saturday or sunday morning (or thursday since there is a game then) and grab a kicker.......what dont you understand?

you guys are so smartcan't put anything past you these days

 

[Chairshot]

16 team league that is extremely deep (Yahoo free). A couple (2) of managers feel that they'd rather not have, or start, a kicker, and instead keep an extra bench player. I've already posted a note stating that all teams need to have a Kicker by Week 1, but those same two teams have still not picked a kicker upWhat's the next step?

If you have stated that they need a kicker by Week 1, then they have until Week 1 to pick up a kicker.They've done nothing wrong until after Week 1. Unless there is a rule that says you need to keep a kicker *on your roster at all times*, then the only rule they have to abide by is making sure they have a kicker by kickoff of the first game for Week 1.I wouldn't worry about it until they have an illegal roster for Week 1 games. It doesn't seem like they are breaking any rules here.A previous poster said it, and is probably right, that they are waiting to see how some position battles work themselves out before they make a decision on who to drop and what kicker to pick up.This doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

 

[CapnJB]

all they are doing is waiting until right before kickoff of week 1 to grab their kicker at the last allowable time. They are probably using that spot up on someone like cedric cobbs that they hope will be named the starter...then they could just drop someone else and grab a kicker to start..if cobbs isnt the starter, they drop him on saturday or sunday morning (or thursday since there is a game then) and grab a kicker.......what dont you understand?

I agree... you are still a week and a half from HAVING to start a kicker. They'd be foolish not to start one as most average kickers score double what most average TEs score. I normally don't draft one and hold on to my possible waiver wire gems until I must drop someone to grab Scobee or someone like that the day before the season gets underway. I'm currently sitting on T Henry and Lundy waiting to see what the final news is out of their camps....

 

[FMD]

I see nothing wrong with this. If they don't play one during the season that is the penalty (no scoring from that position). If they stash a player while the pre-season plays out good for them. I also agree with the previous posts regarding very clear rules prior to the draft/start of the season. If it's not there just ignore.

I think this shows creativity & I have used that technique myself for years. One of the best things about fantasy sports is having to outhink your opponents to look for an advantage.......................

 

[azcards33]

Thought this might help. Here is the guy's roster:

QB P. Rivers

(SD - QB) @Oak Mon

8:15 pm 12 10 115 0 1 3 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -2.28

WR Ro. Williams

(Det - WR) Sea Sun

11:00 am 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 45 687 8 0 0 0 0 85.67

WR T. Williamson

(Min - WR) @Was Mon

5:00 pm 0 0 0 0 0 0 28 0 24 372 2 192 0 0 0 39.08

WR N. Burleson

(Sea - WR) @Det Sun

11:00 am 0 0 0 0 0 0 -6 0 30 328 1 21 0 0 0 29.14

RB S. Jackson

(StL - RB) Den Sun

11:00 am 0 0 0 0 0 0 1046 8 43 320 2 0 0 0 3 134.19

RB L. Maroney

(NE - RB) Buf Sun

11:00 am - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 0.00

TE J. Witten

(Dal - TE) @Jac Sun

2:15 pm 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 66 757 6 0 0 0 0 85.72

W/R B. Engram

(Sea - WR) @Det Sun

11:00 am 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 67 778 3 9 0 0 2 61.94

BN C. Henry

(Cin - WR) @KC Sun

11:00 am 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 31 422 6 0 0 0 1 57.02

BN K. Winslow

(Cle - TE) NO Sun

11:00 am - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 0.00

BN C. Simms

(TB - QB) Bal Sun

11:00 am 191 122 2035 10 7 29 31 0 1 -3 0 0 0 0 4 71.60

BN W. Lundy

(Hou - RB) Phi Sun

11:00 am - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 0.00

BN D. Henderson

(NO - WR) @Cle Sun

11:00 am 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 0 22 343 3 0 0 0 0 37.10

BN M. Leinart

(Ari - QB) SF Sun

2:15 pm - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 0.00

Field Goals Made Field Goals Missed PAT

Pos Kickers Action Opp Status 0-19 20-29 30-39 40-49 50+ 0-19 20-29 30-39 40-49 50+ Made Miss Fan Pts

K --empty-- - - - - - - - - - - - - 0.00

Tackles Turnovers TD Misc

Pos Defense Players Action Opp Status Tack

Solo Tack

Ast Sack Safe Int Fum

Force Fum

Rec TD Pass

Def Blk

Kick Fan Pts

D J. Vilma

(NYJ - DL) @Ten Sun

11:00 am 128 45 0.5 0 1 4 1 0 6 0 182.25

D K. Bulluck

(Ten - DL) NYJ Sun

11:00 am 102 36 5.0 0 2 1 1 0 10 0 164.00

D D. Ware

(Dal - DL) @Jac Sun

2:15 pm 47 11 8.0 0 0 3 0 0 1 0 86.25

D L. Milloy

(Atl - DB) @Car Sun

11:00 am 75 32 1.0 0 1 0 1 0 4 0 111.00

DB M. Huff

(Oak - DB) SD Mon

8:15 pm - - - - - - - - - - 0.00

DB B. Dawkins

(Phi - DB) @Hou Sun

11:00 am 70 10 3.5 0 3 4 1 0 24 0 131.00

DL De. Williams

(Atl - DL) @Car Sun

11:00 am 100 28 3.0 0 2 1 1 0 3 0 143.00

DL D.. Williams

(Den - DL) @StL Sun

11:00 am 41 16 0.0 0 0 2 0 0 3 0 60.00

BN D. Morgan

(Car - DL) Atl Sun

11:00 am 59 18 3.0 0 0 1 1 0 2 0 87.50

 

[GregR_2]

I don't know how it matters what his roster is. He can pick up who he wants, when he wants. If you want teams to have to start a valid lineup, then have a such a rule. Otherwise let it be until lineups are frozen.

 

[coolnerd]

So he is carrying Devery henderson instead of robbie gould...Unless you have specific rules about maintaining certain position on a roster, he has around a week almost to the hour to set his line-up. I am missing why it is an issue.

 

[bentley]

I would make sure and not give them any free Monday Night picks.

 

[davper]

all they are doing is waiting until right before kickoff of week 1 to grab their kicker at the last allowable time. They are probably using that spot up on someone like cedric cobbs that they hope will be named the starter...then they could just drop someone else and grab a kicker to start..if cobbs isnt the starter, they drop him on saturday or sunday morning (or thursday since there is a game then) and grab a kicker.......what dont you understand?

This is exactly what I am doing now. I purposely didn't draft a kicker 2 weeks ago. I drafted an extra RB to see what his would be over the next 3 weeks.I had 2 such running backs, Cedrick Houston and Chris Perry. Both were drafted in the last 2 rounds. Neither panned out so I dropped them both and grabbed Lundy & Morency.Obviously, on Sunday, I will drop one of them and grab a kicker. I am hoping it doesn't come to that. I am trying to pawn the both of them to the DD owner for the handcuff to one of my other RBs.If it happens, I get an RB that was drafted in the 8th round for 2 players I took flyers on in the last 2. Seemed like a sound strategy, we'll see.

 

[cayronut]

And if they don't get a kicker, just wait til they lose some week by 2-3 pts.!!! Kickers have won it for me before.

 

[The Jerk]

I don't see anything wrong with this situation. If your rules require at least one player to be drafted at every position, then I would disallow the last pick from the roster. If your rules require a complete starting lineup be fielded by each team, then:

1) It's an unnecessary rule. If an owner believes his team is better suited by taking a 0 at one or more positions, it should be allowed. It doesn't make sense to me, but it's the owner's decision.

2) If your rules require that every position be filled in the starting lineup, then I would forfeit the game to this owner's opponent. However, you must wait until the lineup deadline for this action to take place.

 

[davper]

Thought this might help. Here is the guy's roster:QB P. Rivers (SD - QB) @Oak Mon8:15 pm 12 10 115 0 1 3 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -2.28 WR Ro. Williams (Det - WR) Sea Sun11:00 am 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 45 687 8 0 0 0 0 85.67 WR T. Williamson (Min - WR) @Was Mon5:00 pm 0 0 0 0 0 0 28 0 24 372 2 192 0 0 0 39.08 WR N. Burleson (Sea - WR) @Det Sun11:00 am 0 0 0 0 0 0 -6 0 30 328 1 21 0 0 0 29.14 RB S. Jackson (StL - RB) Den Sun11:00 am 0 0 0 0 0 0 1046 8 43 320 2 0 0 0 3 134.19 RB L. Maroney (NE - RB) Buf Sun11:00 am - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 0.00 TE J. Witten (Dal - TE) @Jac Sun2:15 pm 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 66 757 6 0 0 0 0 85.72 W/R B. Engram (Sea - WR) @Det Sun11:00 am 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 67 778 3 9 0 0 2 61.94 BN C. Henry (Cin - WR) @KC Sun11:00 am 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 31 422 6 0 0 0 1 57.02 BN K. Winslow (Cle - TE) NO Sun11:00 am - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 0.00 BN C. Simms (TB - QB) Bal Sun11:00 am 191 122 2035 10 7 29 31 0 1 -3 0 0 0 0 4 71.60 BN W. Lundy (Hou - RB) Phi Sun11:00 am - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 0.00 BN D. Henderson (NO - WR) @Cle Sun11:00 am 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 0 22 343 3 0 0 0 0 37.10 BN M. Leinart (Ari - QB) SF Sun2:15 pm - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 0.00 Field Goals Made Field Goals Missed PAT Pos Kickers Action Opp Status 0-19 20-29 30-39 40-49 50+ 0-19 20-29 30-39 40-49 50+ Made Miss Fan Pts K --empty-- - - - - - - - - - - - - 0.00 Tackles Turnovers TD Misc Pos Defense Players Action Opp Status TackSolo TackAst Sack Safe Int FumForce FumRec TD PassDef BlkKick Fan Pts D J. Vilma (NYJ - DL) @Ten Sun11:00 am 128 45 0.5 0 1 4 1 0 6 0 182.25 D K. Bulluck (Ten - DL) NYJ Sun11:00 am 102 36 5.0 0 2 1 1 0 10 0 164.00 D D. Ware (Dal - DL) @Jac Sun2:15 pm 47 11 8.0 0 0 3 0 0 1 0 86.25 D L. Milloy (Atl - DB) @Car Sun11:00 am 75 32 1.0 0 1 0 1 0 4 0 111.00 DB M. Huff (Oak - DB) SD Mon8:15 pm - - - - - - - - - - 0.00 DB B. Dawkins (Phi - DB) @Hou Sun11:00 am 70 10 3.5 0 3 4 1 0 24 0 131.00 DL De. Williams (Atl - DL) @Car Sun11:00 am 100 28 3.0 0 2 1 1 0 3 0 143.00 DL D.. Williams (Den - DL) @StL Sun11:00 am 41 16 0.0 0 0 2 0 0 3 0 60.00 BN D. Morgan (Car - DL) Atl Sun11:00 am 59 18 3.0 0 0 1 1 0 2 0 87.50

Ask yourself this question, was there a rule in place prior to the draft that each roster must carry a kicker? And no, it is not implied.If yes, then they must comply immediately or suffer the consequences set forth in the rules(that is in there as well, I hope).If no, then is there a rule that says they must start a kicker?If yes, they must comply by the roster moves lockout time or suffer the consequences set forth in the rules.If no, then they are following the rules that you have diligently put in place and this is a non-issue.If you don't like my answer, then next year change the rules before the draft.

 

[jaemcy3]

This is a very simple problem for a commissioner.

If the rules state you must start a complete lineup then they forfiet the game if they have failed to do so.

If the rules do not state the above they are free to do what they wish and the commish does nothing.

In one of the leagues I commish the rule states your roster must include enouhg players at each position to field a complete roster ignoring byes. If they choose not to start them that is their business. Two years ago in one league my def. had a very tough matchup one week so I left the position blank. I won by 1 point and my def. sccored -4 points on my bench. Unless the rules state that you can't do this there is nothing wrong with it.

 

[The Kansas Comet]

If there is no rule saying that teams with an incomplete lineup will be ineligble/forfeit, then I think they are within their rights to refrain from starting a kicker.

I agree. If they want to put themselves at a bit of a disadvantage, and the rules say they can, what grounds are there for penalizing them?You may want to talk to them before the games next week if they haven't acquired a kicker, just to see what the motivations are for their actions.