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Is this the one with Bizzaro Superman?League of Hypocrites
However, if the Chinese are good at anything, it's piracy. They'll find ways to watch if they want to. Nobody will make money off of it, but the gamed will be viewed.They certainly could, but it would likely cost them a lot of money. I’ve read some sentiments of people thinking that the NBA has leverage because the Chinese people realize that the NBA product is by far the best basketball product in the world and that the people would be really angry if they no longer had access to NBA games anymore.
Actually, the NBA could have avoided all of this by being hypocrites.League of Hypocrites
Yea it’s weird how people are framing this. I think the NBA’s response has missed, but it’s not like they are tossing support behind China either.Actually, the NBA could have avoided all of this by being hypocrites.
(i.e., if they had punished Morey and proclaimed that they don't support free speech.)
But because they expressed support for Morey's rights, China went ballistic.
These people are all frauds. Every one of them.This proves the NBA is not the "socially aware", not the "woke, league they proclaim to be. NBA coaches and players who tweet about Russia, Trump, Global warming, social injustice are silent right now. LeBron, Pops, Kerr, China is in effect trying to do the same thing with the NBA as they are trying to do with the USA in general. Philly owner sends a chopper for Meek Mill to cater to his fans yet won`t even make one comment on China.
By not condemning something, when you historically do not show hesitation to show condemnation for ideas you disagree with, shows your tacit consent to their ideas.Yea it’s weird how people are framing this. I think the NBA’s response has missed, but it’s not like they are tossing support behind China either.
Yes. When Ted Cruz and AOC both think you've done something wrong, you've really upset the apple cart.By not condemning something, when you historically do not show hesitation to show condemnation for ideas you disagree with, shows your tacit consent to their ideas.
Here I go again.Yes. When Ted Cruz and AOC both think you've done something wrong, you've really upset the apple cart.
I get this but do you happen to own an iPhone or literally any electronic device?By not condemning something, when you historically do not show hesitation to show condemnation for ideas you disagree with, shows your tacit consent to their ideas.
Exactly. I bet Ted Cruz and AOC are tweeting from theirs as well.I get this but do you happen to own an iPhone or literally any electronic device?
The problem isn't the NBA working with China. That's fine. Lots of companies do it. The problem starts when Americans lose their rights because China tells companies to do things. When Americans are no longer allowed the freedom of free speech because China doesn't want us to speak, the NBA needs to tell China to go pound sand. That's the issue.Here I go again.
Really I just see politicians jumping at an opportunity to gain.
Were these politicians railing together before this tweet from random NBA dude? Are they currently railing against any/all businesses and products doing business in China?
Or is it just the NBA, just now, because now AOC and Ted Cruz can make it on to SportsCenter?
I'm not keeping up with the specifics... and pardon my cynicism, but I go back to the same question.The problem isn't the NBA working with China. That's fine. Lots of companies do it. The problem starts when Americans lose their rights because China tells companies to do things. When Americans are no longer allowed the freedom of free speech because China doesn't want us to speak, the NBA needs to tell China to go pound sand. That's the issue.
I think it's always been known that China might have a say in certain things. And that was kind of frowned upon by citizens but done by companies anyway. It's almost been like a running joke. But with this situation, they made an American citizen apologize for his free speech. It was kind of like the straw that broke the camel's back. But in this case, the straw was a telephone pole.I'm not keeping up with the specifics... and pardon my cynicism, but I go back to the same question.
Is it just the NBA? Is it just now? Without bothering to come to come up with specific examples, I have to assume MANY MANY companies with much larger footprints than the NBA have caved and modified their behavior and speech to keep their $ in China flowing. Not just over Hong Kong, not just now - but over any number of things, since forever.
I mean China didn't just now start being China.
Explain how that is relevant. I'm not the one who is being the hypocrite sellout.I get this but do you happen to own an iPhone or literally any electronic device?
Then we all have to stop acting like we are getting more woke as a society.Let’s condemn China and be mad at the nba for not standing up to them, they type out on their electronic device that they are able to afford because it was made for slave wages in China.
Of course you are. You take advantage of China’s slave labor. We all do.Explain how that is relevant. I'm not the one who is being the hypocrite sellout.
My wife quit eating meat 4 years ago because I took her to a butcher shop in Detroit where they actually slaughter and sell on site. This place sells to all the local supermarkets and restaurants too. Well when you walk it is very cold and there is an mistakable smell and the animals are actually hanging and being butcher. My wife ran out crying. I said you just want to see a nice steak wrapped and sitting in the meat counter but you don`t want to know where it actually comes from.
That's not the point at all, though. No one is mad because we have things made in China. They are mad because China told an American business that they need to shut down the freedom of speech. AND THEY DID SO WITHOUT QUESTION. This entire argument is about China telling Americans what they can and can't say. It has nothing to do with things being made in China.I’m not backing the nba here. They mismanaged this badly. But the whole I can’t believe the nba is getting in bed with China to make money shtick when we all use them to our financial advantage is silly.
Our 401ks love Cheap Chinese laborOf course you are. You take advantage of China’s slave labor. We all do.
This isn’t the 1st time it’s happened and I suspect it won’t be the lastThey are mad because China told an American business that they need to shut down the freedom of speech. AND THEY DID SO WITHOUT QUESTION
When has it happened before?This isn’t the 1st time it’s happened and I suspect it won’t be the last
The point is whatever people want it to be for their particular narrative.That's not the point at all, though. No one is mad because we have things made in China. They are mad because China told an American business that they need to shut down the freedom of speech. AND THEY DID SO WITHOUT QUESTION. This entire argument is about China telling Americans what they can and can't say. It has nothing to do with things being made in China.
Is it actually a store that has fine meats, but everything is wide open. So right behind the counters you can hear the saws and see the butchers doing their craft. The animals are not alive but hanging on hooks.
why would you do this?
Happens with movies , dialogue and scenes get changed to appease ChinaWhen has it happened before?
Previously had a Moto cell phone, but they are no longer made in America either. iPhone is an American company that has its product built elsewhere. Please tell me what cell phone I can choose to own that meets the standard?Of course you are. You take advantage of China’s slave labor. We all do.
This isn't really true, though. Silver came out in support of Morey's free speech rights, as did many other people within the NBA. (Meanwhile, China is actually mad at Silver for not punishing Morey.)That's not the point at all, though. No one is mad because we have things made in China. They are mad because China told an American business that they need to shut down the freedom of speech. AND THEY DID SO WITHOUT QUESTION. This entire argument is about China telling Americans what they can and can't say. It has nothing to do with things being made in China.
Again, that's different. That's not telling someone they can't say something and then making them apologize to China for saying it.Happens with movies , dialogue and scenes get changed to appease China
Silver only came out after the backlash started from the NBA distancing themselves from the tweet. And then the NBA issued a statement that turned out to say one thing in English and another thing in Chinese.This isn't really true, though. Silver came out in support of Morey's free speech rights, as did many other people within the NBA. (Meanwhile, China is actually mad at Silver for not punishing Morey.)
The NBA has removed political signs at some games, but when have they ever permitted political signs?
What does Silver's timing have to do with it? You said the NBA shut down freedom of speech without question. I'm pointing out that the NBA did, in fact, question China (by supporting Morey's free speech rights, by refusing to apologize, and by refusing to punish Morey).Silver only came out after the backlash started from the NBA distancing themselves from the tweet. And then the NBA issued a statement that turned out to say one thing in English and another thing in Chinese.This isn't really true, though. Silver came out in support of Morey's free speech rights, as did many other people within the NBA. (Meanwhile, China is actually mad at Silver for not punishing Morey.)
The NBA has removed political signs at some games, but when have they ever permitted political signs?
He was told to apologize. He deleted the tweet and apologized. They even had Harden apologize to China because of the tweet. Once everyone in America started to bash the NBA, Silver came out and said he supported Moray's right to tweet what he wanted. Too late. You already chastised him and made him apologize. Silver was doing damage control. The same way they put out the statement saying it was a mistake, in English. But in Chinese calling it something else that admonished the Rockets GM.What does Silver's timing have to do with it? You said the NBA shut down freedom of speech without question. I'm pointing out that the NBA did, in fact, question China (by supporting Morey's free speech rights, by refusing to apologize, and by refusing to punish Morey).
Also, the NBA didn't technically shut down Morey's freedom of speech. He voluntarily deleted the tweet after he realized how much trouble it caused.
When did Silver chastise Morey prior to supporting his right to free speech? Where did Silver make Morey apologize? (I read that the apology was induced by Houston's owner, not by Silver or the NBA.)He was told to apologize. He deleted the tweet and apologized. They even had Harden apologize to China because of the tweet. Once everyone in America started to bash the NBA, Silver came out and said he supported Moray's right to tweet what he wanted. Too late. You already chastised him and made him apologize. Silver was doing damage control. The same way they put out the statement saying it was a mistake, in English. But in Chinese calling it something else that admonished the Rockets GM.What does Silver's timing have to do with it? You said the NBA shut down freedom of speech without question. I'm pointing out that the NBA did, in fact, question China (by supporting Morey's free speech rights, by refusing to apologize, and by refusing to punish Morey).
Also, the NBA didn't technically shut down Morey's freedom of speech. He voluntarily deleted the tweet after he realized how much trouble it caused.
I've just been told you need to delete this post. Also, please apologize for calling China "communists."In this day and age, I think China has made everyone kinda forget they are Communist. Pointing this out seems an issue.
Here's where I think the NBA is hypocritical, and I will acknowledge I am lumping the comish, coaches, and players all together when I say "the NBA" (disagree with that lumping together if you like, but that's the way I look at it).I think it's fair to call the NBA "sellouts". I'm not sure if it's fair to call them "hypocrites".
Just because you don't stand behind every single social cause, that doesn't make you a hypocrite. I have no problem with the NBA picking and choosing which causes to support, and how far they want to go in terms of that support.
Apparently the NBA published a statement in Mandarin that was phrased more apologetically than the English version. They claimed the English version is the "official" statement, but didn't exactly disavow the other version either. Nate Duncan had a good rant about this on his podcast earlier this week.What does Silver's timing have to do with it? You said the NBA shut down freedom of speech without question. I'm pointing out that the NBA did, in fact, question China (by supporting Morey's free speech rights, by refusing to apologize, and by refusing to punish Morey).
Also, the NBA didn't technically shut down Morey's freedom of speech. He voluntarily deleted the tweet after he realized how much trouble it caused.
His father being assassinated by Islamic jihadists (who took credit) in the 80s may also lend some apathy into hearing his political views a bit more than others, perhaps?I'm no Trump supporter, but I've always gotten annoyed with seeing Kerr's political stances.
He is a darling because he has been lucky enough to have played with MJ, Robinson and Duncan and coached Curry, Klay and Durant. He is listened to not because he has proven his political acumen, but because he is a good 3-pt shooter and has been associated with some of the best basketball players in history. Yet somehow he has been promoted as some kind of political commentator since he mocks Trump and espouses the political opinion du jour.
As a result, I'm kind of glad to see him taking some heat for not being so outspoken when it might actually cost him something. I know that his dad died when he was young and he has had some major health issues, but I don't think that means he has suffered any more than anyone else and deserves any more respect than Joe Schmo from the middle class. In fact, I'd say his life would be considered other worldly and bizarre to the vast majority of us. To give him such a platform over politics was never fair to begin with, but he seemed to embrace it, so he is equally as deserving of the criticism as much as the kudos.
What? Why?His father being assassinated by Islamic jihadists (who took credit) in the 80s may also lend some apathy into hearing his political views a bit more than others, perhaps?
This goes too far, IMO. He has every right to speak out on political issues (that's kind of the whole point of this conversation). He also has to accept that it looks real bad when he, someone generally not shy about providing political commentary, avoids comment by claiming not to be educated enough on the China issue. I'm pretty confident that he knows at least as much about China's abusive human rights practices than he does any number of other subjects he opines on.I'm no Trump supporter, but I've always gotten annoyed with seeing Kerr's political stances.
He is a darling because he has been lucky enough to have played with MJ, Robinson and Duncan and coached Curry, Klay and Durant. He is listened to not because he has proven his political acumen, but because he is a good 3-pt shooter and has been associated with some of the best basketball players in history. Yet somehow he has been promoted as some kind of political commentator since he mocks Trump and espouses the political opinion du jour.
As a result, I'm kind of glad to see him taking some heat for not being so outspoken when it might actually cost him something. I know that his dad died when he was young and he has had some major health issues, but I don't think that means he has suffered any more than anyone else and deserves any more respect than Joe Schmo from the middle class. In fact, I'd say his life would be considered other worldly and bizarre to the vast majority of us. To give him such a platform over politics was never fair to begin with, but he seemed to embrace it, so he is equally as deserving of the criticism as much as the kudos.
I'm surprised you're surprised about the timing.@TheIronSheik
I pretty much agree with your position and sentiment. I just think this milk was spilled long ago and now is a weird time to cry over it.
And of course I find it more suspect still when you see politicians jumping on the bandwagon.
Tacit consent? They are profiting from it.By not condemning something, when you historically do not show hesitation to show condemnation for ideas you disagree with, shows your tacit consent to their ideas.