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I live in a state with no teams.
I think the key would be in the geographics. Where did you live at the time? Let's say someone lives in Maine but they are a Lakers fan. Bandwagon. Boston fan? Not as likely since that is in the general vicinity as far as NBA teams go.

 
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I DO hold him responsible for calling a long bomb touchdown pass against the Bruins with a minute left in the game, already up by 14. That was chicken ####.
Maybe people have a point about Pittsburgh, but at least you have a reason to stick up for your alma mater in all this.

 
I live in a state with no teams.
I think the key would be in the geographics. Where did you live at the time? Let's say someone lives in Maine but they are a Lakers fan. Bandwagon. Boston fan? Not as likely since that is in the general vicinity as far as NBA teams go.
I think an exception could be made for those who became Atlanta Braves fans, despite living no where near Georgia, because they had TBS on their cable provider in the 80's and this was in the days before ESPN and Fox Sports started airing games on cable. The only competition to Braves baseball on TV in the 80's was the Saturday afternoon Game of the Week (I think it was NBC).

I'm not a Braves fan, but one of my best friends in college, despite growing up an hour from Pittsburgh, was a huge Brave fan growing up because he watched them on TBS religously.

 
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Tim, I've defended you more than most sane folks would (in my mind, if not by posts), but shut the #### up about this.

Steeler fans turning into martyrs may be the worst thing that civilization has produced to date.

 
I'm not a Braves fan, but one of my best friends in college, despite growing up an hour from Pittsburgh, was a huge Brave fan growing up because he watched them on TBS religously.
That's sad given the storied history of the Pirates. Though all of that may have been before y'alls time.

 
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I'm not a Braves fan, but one of my best friends in college, despite growing up an hour from Pittsburgh, was a huge Brave fan growing up because he watched them on TBS religously.
That's sad given the storied history of the Pirates. Though all of that may have been before y'alls time.
He probably was only five years old in 1979. By the time the Bonds/Bonilla/Van Slyke days arrived he was already hooked the Braves.

 
I'm not a Braves fan, but one of my best friends in college, despite growing up an hour from Pittsburgh, was a huge Brave fan growing up because he watched them on TBS religously.
That's sad given the storied history of the Pirates. Though all of that may have been before y'alls time.
He probably was only five years old in 1979. By the time the Bonds/Bonilla/Van Slyke days arrived he was already hooked the Braves.
I was actually thinking more Willie Stargell, etc.

 
I DO hold him responsible for calling a long bomb touchdown pass against the Bruins with a minute left in the game, already up by 14. That was chicken ####.
Maybe people have a point about Pittsburgh, but at least you have a reason to stick up for your alma mater in all this.
I didn't attend UCLA. My parents, brother, and wife did. I attended UCIrvine, which has no football team. I am an Anteater.
 
I'm not a Braves fan, but one of my best friends in college, despite growing up an hour from Pittsburgh, was a huge Brave fan growing up because he watched them on TBS religously.
That's sad given the storied history of the Pirates. Though all of that may have been before y'alls time.
He probably was only five years old in 1979. By the time the Bonds/Bonilla/Van Slyke days arrived he was already hooked the Braves.
I was actually thinking more Willie Stargell, etc.
Like I said, he was probably only five years old in Stargell's (and the "We are Family" crew's) last good year.

 
They need to already stop whining. The 2013 NFC Championship game featured one-sided officiating
The refs have been extremely charitable towards Seattle lately. I think they have made up for the SB. Time for all parties to move on.

 
No one cares or wants to talk about when the officials' calls go against the Steelers. It's like it just doesn't exist around here.
Horse hockey. Plenty of people talked about the major breaks the Chargers got in that game against the Chiefs that let them into the playoffs and kept the Steelers out. But keep playing the victim, by all means.
Hilarious. The only account that a Steeler's fan can come up with of calls going against their team is in a game that they weren't even a part of.

And just an fyi - the league office had sent a memo to the officiating crew of the Chargers-Chiefs game that the outcome of the game would effect the Steeler's playoff chances. This memo came in to late and none of the officials checked their Blackberries, so the information did not get to them. You can bet that the game would have gone much differently had the officials known that the Steeler's playoff hopes were reliant on a Chargers loss.

 
FWIW, I never complain about calls not going my team's way, and never will. I have never seen a professional team sporting event decided by bad calls and never will, and that applies to college football as well. If your team loses, it's because your team either wasn't good enough or didn't play well enough to win- period. True fans don't whine.

As a Lakers fan and a Steelers fan, I have been forced to endure the whiny complaints of the fans of the Sacramento Kings and the Seattle Seahawks. Not sure which group was more embarrassing.

 
I have never seen a professional team sporting event decided by bad calls and never will
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From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armando_Galarraga%27s_near-perfect_game

Galarraga retired the first 26 batters he faced, but his bid for a perfect game was ended one out short when first base umpire Jim Joyce incorrectly ruled that Indians batter Jason Donald reached first base safely on a ground ball.

Joyce was tearful and apologetic to Galarraga after the game upon realizing he had made the incorrect call.
 
As a Lakers fan and a Steelers fan, I have been forced to endure the whiny complaints of the fans of the Sacramento Kings and the Seattle Seahawks. Not sure which group was more embarrassing.
Wow, yea, sorry. Perfect example of bandwagonism right there.
With regard to the Steelers, absolutely. I became a fan at age 10 after watching Lynn Swann in the Superbowl. (Had I known at the time he was a Trojan, I might have reconsidered). With regard to the Lakers, I am from the area, and we had season tickets to the Forum throughout most of my childhood.

 
I have never seen a professional team sporting event decided by bad calls and never will
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From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armando_Galarraga%27s_near-perfect_game

Galarraga retired the first 26 batters he faced, but his bid for a perfect game was ended one out short when first base umpire Jim Joyce incorrectly ruled that Indians batter Jason Donald reached first base safely on a ground ball.

Joyce was tearful and apologetic to Galarraga after the game upon realizing he had made the incorrect call.
You're talking about an individual achievement. Was the game won or lost on a bad call?
 
I have never seen a professional team sporting event decided by bad calls and never will
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From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armando_Galarraga%27s_near-perfect_game

Galarraga retired the first 26 batters he faced, but his bid for a perfect game was ended one out short when first base umpire Jim Joyce incorrectly ruled that Indians batter Jason Donald reached first base safely on a ground ball.

Joyce was tearful and apologetic to Galarraga after the game upon realizing he had made the incorrect call.
Tim never saw that game.

 
FWIW, I never complain about calls not going my team's way, and never will. I have never seen a professional team sporting event decided by bad calls and never will, and that applies to college football as well. If your team loses, it's because your team either wasn't good enough or didn't play well enough to win- period. True fans don't whine.

As a Lakers fan and a Steelers fan, I have been forced to endure the whiny complaints of the fans of the Sacramento Kings and the Seattle Seahawks. Not sure which group was more embarrassing.
1972 Olympic basketball gold medal game? Packers vs. Seahawks last year? Heck, Chargers vs. Chiefs game this year that knocked your Steelers out?
 
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I have never seen a professional team sporting event decided by bad calls and never will
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From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armando_Galarraga%27s_near-perfect_game

Galarraga retired the first 26 batters he faced, but his bid for a perfect game was ended one out short when first base umpire Jim Joyce incorrectly ruled that Indians batter Jason Donald reached first base safely on a ground ball.

Joyce was tearful and apologetic to Galarraga after the game upon realizing he had made the incorrect call.
You're talking about an individual achievement. Was the game won or lost on a bad call?
That game wasn't. But other's have. You won't ever see an official apologize for a bad call that decided the game.

The reason I posted this example is because the official apologized for his bad call, so that there would be no argument that bad calls do happen, and can significanty change outcomes such as perfect games, shutouts, records.... and yes even the winner of the game.

 
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FWIW, I never complain about calls not going my team's way, and never will. I have never seen a professional team sporting event decided by bad calls and never will, and that applies to college football as well. If your team loses, it's because your team either wasn't good enough or didn't play well enough to win- period. True fans don't whine.

As a Lakers fan and a Steelers fan, I have been forced to endure the whiny complaints of the fans of the Sacramento Kings and the Seattle Seahawks. Not sure which group was more embarrassing.
1972 Olympic basketball gold medal game?
You know, when I wrote that I immediately thought of that event, which is why I decided to add the word "professional". The USA team was amateur. That event, and what happened to Roy Jones in 1988, are examples of fixed results IMO. But that's very different from a game being decided by bad calls.
 
FWIW, I never complain about calls not going my team's way, and never will. I have never seen a professional team sporting event decided by bad calls and never will, and that applies to college football as well. If your team loses, it's because your team either wasn't good enough or didn't play well enough to win- period. True fans don't whine.

As a Lakers fan and a Steelers fan, I have been forced to endure the whiny complaints of the fans of the Sacramento Kings and the Seattle Seahawks. Not sure which group was more embarrassing.
1972 Olympic basketball gold medal game? Packers vs. Seahawks last year? Heck, Chargers vs. Chiefs game this year that knocked your Steelers out?
Or the Missouri 5th down game against Colorado.

 
It doesn't matter if an official apologizes for a bad call or not. That's not my point. Every game has dozens of referee calls, and every game has dozens of decisions by coaches, and dozens upon dozens of plays. Bad calls are a possibility in every game. If your team is in a position in which a bad call could affect the final outcome, then that is on your team. If your team is comfortably ahead by the end of the game, then a bad call will not affect you. That's why I say that I have never seen a game decided by bad calls. When bad calls happen, they are only one small factor out of a thousand factors that decide an outcome. People who point to bad calls ignore all the other factors; they are looking for an easy excuse.

 
It doesn't matter if an official apologizes for a bad call or not. That's not my point. Every game has dozens of referee calls, and every game has dozens of decisions by coaches, and dozens upon dozens of plays. Bad calls are a possibility in every game. If your team is in a position in which a bad call could affect the final outcome, then that is on your team. If your team is comfortably ahead by the end of the game, then a bad call will not affect you. That's why I say that I have never seen a game decided by bad calls. When bad calls happen, they are only one small factor out of a thousand factors that decide an outcome. People who point to bad calls ignore all the other factors; they are looking for an easy excuse.
When those thousand factors have unfolded 500 in favor of one team and 500 in favor of the other, then yes the game is determined by a bad call.

 
True fans don't whine.
This thread is one giant whine fest, started by you. Guess you're not a true fan, but we already knew that.
I haven't whined once. Whining about a sporting event involves complaining about the result. What result have I complained about?
You're whining about people pointing out clear and objective mistakes that are undeniable to any rational human with a minimum level of intelligence and discussing their obvious impact on the outing of a sporting event that happened many years ago.A true Steelers fan wouldn't care how they won IMO. Maybe you need to get over it?

 
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It doesn't matter if an official apologizes for a bad call or not. That's not my point. Every game has dozens of referee calls, and every game has dozens of decisions by coaches, and dozens upon dozens of plays. Bad calls are a possibility in every game. If your team is in a position in which a bad call could affect the final outcome, then that is on your team. If your team is comfortably ahead by the end of the game, then a bad call will not affect you. That's why I say that I have never seen a game decided by bad calls. When bad calls happen, they are only one small factor out of a thousand factors that decide an outcome. People who point to bad calls ignore all the other factors; they are looking for an easy excuse.
When those thousand factors have unfolded 500 in favor of one team and 500 in favor of the other, then yes the game is determined by a bad call.
Theoretically I suppose, but the odds of a completely even distribution of factors prior to the final or bad call are astronomical. Now I realize that's not really the point you're making. You're claiming that, for example, if we have a game that is tied or within one score and then we have a bad call, then that bad call decides the outcome. But suppose the team that was ahead by one score had several opportunities to be ahead by more than that, and failed to execute? Suppose the team behind by one score had several opportunities to actually be ahead, but failed? It seems to me that all of these factors are just as decisive, and cumulatively they are far MORE decisive than the bad call in determining the outcome.

 
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True fans don't whine.
This thread is one giant whine fest, started by you. Guess you're not a true fan, but we already knew that.
I haven't whined once. Whining about a sporting event involves complaining about the result. What result have I complained about?
You're whining about people pointing out clear and objective mistakes that are undeniable to any rational human with a minimum level of intelligence and discussing their obvious impact on the outing of a sporting event that happened many years ago.A true Steelers fan wouldn't care how they won IMO. Maybe you need to get over it?
I've already admitted I was kind of a jerk for starting this thread. I was being a little tongue in cheek because all week long I've been hearing what wonderful fans the Seahawks have, and it reminded me of all the griping they did after that Superbowl. It did annoy me at the time, though I didn't whine about it. I just wanted to point out the irony. In truth I don't really care if Seattle wins or not. I can't root for Denver with much enthusiasm.
 
Tim has to make the Super Bowl about him while opening up old wounds. He's the kind of guy that gets up in front of the crowd at Grampa's funeral and talks about how Grandpa's influence got him his job and success, and how cousin George who was Grandpa's favorite, is currently jailed on possession charges.

 
Tim has to make the Super Bowl about him while opening up old wounds. He's the kind of guy that gets up in front of the crowd at Grampa's funeral and talks about how Grandpa's influence got him his job and success, and how cousin George who was Grandpa's favorite, is currently jailed on possession charges.
How much is your fee for my psychoanalysis?
 
Tim has to make the Super Bowl about him while opening up old wounds. He's the kind of guy that gets up in front of the crowd at Grampa's funeral and talks about how Grandpa's influence got him his job and success, and how cousin George who was Grandpa's favorite, is currently jailed on possession charges.
 
Tim has to make the Super Bowl about him while opening up old wounds. He's the kind of guy that gets up in front of the crowd at Grampa's funeral and talks about how Grandpa's influence got him his job and success, and how cousin George who was Grandpa's favorite, is currently jailed on possession charges.
How much is your fee for my psychoanalysis?
Tell me how right I am, that is payment enough. :thumbup:

 
Tim has to make the Super Bowl about him while opening up old wounds. He's the kind of guy that gets up in front of the crowd at Grampa's funeral and talks about how Grandpa's influence got him his job and success, and how cousin George who was Grandpa's favorite, is currently jailed on possession charges.
How much is your fee for my psychoanalysis?
Tell me how right I am, that is payment enough. :thumbup:
You've nailed it. Can you prescribe me some Xanax?
 
Tim has to make the Super Bowl about him while opening up old wounds. He's the kind of guy that gets up in front of the crowd at Grampa's funeral and talks about how Grandpa's influence got him his job and success, and how cousin George who was Grandpa's favorite, is currently jailed on possession charges.
How much is your fee for my psychoanalysis?
Tell me how right I am, that is payment enough. :thumbup:
You've nailed it. Can you prescribe me some Xanax?
I'm an Internet doctor, I'll see what I can do.

 
It doesn't matter if an official apologizes for a bad call or not. That's not my point. Every game has dozens of referee calls, and every game has dozens of decisions by coaches, and dozens upon dozens of plays. Bad calls are a possibility in every game. If your team is in a position in which a bad call could affect the final outcome, then that is on your team. If your team is comfortably ahead by the end of the game, then a bad call will not affect you. That's why I say that I have never seen a game decided by bad calls. When bad calls happen, they are only one small factor out of a thousand factors that decide an outcome. People who point to bad calls ignore all the other factors; they are looking for an easy excuse.
When those thousand factors have unfolded 500 in favor of one team and 500 in favor of the other, then yes the game is determined by a bad call.
Theoretically I suppose, but the odds of a completely even distribution of factors prior to the final or bad call are astronomical.Now I realize that's not really the point you're making. You're claiming that, for example, if we have a game that is tied or within one score and then we have a bad call, then that bad call decides the outcome. But suppose the team that was ahead by one score had several opportunities to be ahead by more than that, and failed to execute? Suppose the team behind by one score had several opportunities to actually be ahead, but failed? It seems to me that all of these factors are just as decisive, and cumulatively they are far MORE decisive than the bad call in determining the outcome.
The most memorable games are the ones where the game is decided in the very last moments. To be honest, I don't care what unfolded up to that point to make the game up for grabs so late in to the game. The better team may have played horribly allowing the worse team to stick around. So what? A game is about to be decided on a few, or even one moment. It sucks when those moments, or that one moment is ruined by a bad call. And bad calls DO happen.

That being said, I admitted earlier that I didn't watch the Steelers/Seahawks superbowl. So I don't know when the bad call (or calls happened). Perhaps it wasn't a last moment bad call. But in this thread you've gone beyond the specifics of that game and thrown out generalities that bad calls don't decide games. Of course they have. Maybe not that one. But the reason I pointed out the baseball game where the umpire apolgized for ruining the Perfect Game is because in game 6 of the 1985 World Series, a blown call was made that was near exactly the same as what happened in the blown no hitter, and it didn't just cost the St Louis Cardinals the game, but the World Series title as well. I hate the Cardinals, so it didn't hurt me at all. But it's one of the most famous game changing bad calls ever made.

 
Tim has to make the Super Bowl about him while opening up old wounds. He's the kind of guy that gets up in front of the crowd at Grampa's funeral and talks about how Grandpa's influence got him his job and success, and how cousin George who was Grandpa's favorite, is currently jailed on possession charges.
How much is your fee for my psychoanalysis?
Tell me how right I am, that is payment enough. :thumbup:
You've nailed it. Can you prescribe me some Xanax?
I'm an Internet doctor, I'll see what I can do.
Better yet, hide his internet service from him. Or change his password. Anything!

 
It doesn't matter if an official apologizes for a bad call or not. That's not my point. Every game has dozens of referee calls, and every game has dozens of decisions by coaches, and dozens upon dozens of plays. Bad calls are a possibility in every game. If your team is in a position in which a bad call could affect the final outcome, then that is on your team. If your team is comfortably ahead by the end of the game, then a bad call will not affect you. That's why I say that I have never seen a game decided by bad calls. When bad calls happen, they are only one small factor out of a thousand factors that decide an outcome. People who point to bad calls ignore all the other factors; they are looking for an easy excuse.
What a truly asinine argument. The best match-ups are those between evenly balanced teams, which is every fan's goal when looking at the "big games." In these types of balanced match-ups, a key play or call can EASILY be the deciding factor. So to say that one of the two evenly matched squads "failed" or "deserved it" because they didn't have a big, comfortable lead, and got screwed over by a bad call is, to be brutally honest, stupid. A pathetic attempt to justify your own personal opinion.

 
Tim has to make the Super Bowl about him while opening up old wounds. He's the kind of guy that gets up in front of the crowd at Grampa's funeral and talks about how Grandpa's influence got him his job and success, and how cousin George who was Grandpa's favorite, is currently jailed on possession charges.
Oh, God. That's tim. :lmao:

eta* Oh yeah, Don Denkinger. Not even close.

 
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FWIW, I never complain about calls not going my team's way, and never will. I have never seen a professional team sporting event decided by bad calls and never will, and that applies to college football as well. If your team loses, it's because your team either wasn't good enough or didn't play well enough to win- period. True fans don't whine.

As a Lakers fan and a Steelers fan, I have been forced to endure the whiny complaints of the fans of the Sacramento Kings and the Seattle Seahawks. Not sure which group was more embarrassing.
I'm the tenured Seahawk fan on this board. I was here at the beginning. When you say "Seattle fans" you're addressing me. If not, then please be specific when leveling your criticisms.

Here is the LINK to the super bowl thread from January 2006. Every post in that thread made by "Kleck" is from me (We had a lottery and I gave my member number to the winner. Proceeds went to Vietnam Vets). If you click that link the first post it will take you to is from me offering congratulations to Pittsburgh fans. Further, I never whined about the officiating. I thought both teams played poorly, but Seattle played worse. Pittsburgh deserved to win.

Now. Where the #### do you get off starting this thread? What's your problem?

 
FWIW, I never complain about calls not going my team's way, and never will. I have never seen a professional team sporting event decided by bad calls and never will, and that applies to college football as well. If your team loses, it's because your team either wasn't good enough or didn't play well enough to win- period. True fans don't whine.

As a Lakers fan and a Steelers fan, I have been forced to endure the whiny complaints of the fans of the Sacramento Kings and the Seattle Seahawks. Not sure which group was more embarrassing.
I'm the tenured Seahawk fan on this board. I was here at the beginning. When you say "Seattle fans" you're addressing me. If not, then please be specific when leveling your criticisms.

Here is the LINK to the super bowl thread from January 2006. Every post in that thread made by "Kleck" is from me (We had a lottery and I gave my member number to the winner. Proceeds went to Vietnam Vets). If you click that link the first post it will take you to is from me offering congratulations to Pittsburgh fans. Further, I never whined about the officiating. I thought both teams played poorly, but Seattle played worse. Pittsburgh deserved to win.

Now. Where the #### do you get off starting this thread? What's your problem?
He spends so much time here he isn't getting any action at home.

 

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