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Minnesota Sports Fans - Who Has It Worse Than Them? (1 Viewer)

Updated resume two games into Wolves-Thunder that I should have posted here. Minnesota's record in conference championship games / ALCS:



Twins 0-1, lost ALCS to Angels 2002​
Vikings 0-4, Gary Anderson wide left in '99, 41-donut in East Rutherford '01, Favre across his body '10, Philly beatdown in '18​
Wild 0-1, lost WCF to Anaheim in '03​
Wolves 0-2, working on 0-3​
0-for-8, working on 0-9
Break it down by the actual game count in those series:​
Twins 1-4​
Vikings 0-4​
Wild 0-4​
Wolves 3-10 (thru game 2 WCF)​
4-22 .154
It should be noted that these numbers don't take into account:​
  • Twins 18-game playoff losing streak 2004-2023
  • Eight opening round playoff losses for the Wild in ten years and counting
  • Seven consecutive opening round playoff losses for the Wolves 1997-2003
  • Vikings 0-4 Super Bowl record (pre-1991)
  • Zero championships for the North Stars in their 26 seasons


While zero championships in 34 seasons despite having four bites at the apple for most of that time sounds incredible, the real story from a statistical standpoint is zero championship appearances. Par value would be about 8 expected championship appearances with 4 titles in that time. We have none. My dream isn't to see the Vikings win a Super Bowl, it's to see them get to one and at worst, build upon their loss count on the big stage just like my deceased ancestors got to experience in their time.

It really starts to feel like a situation where they complement each other in collectively tormenting the fanbase of the state they represent. Individual incompetence is nothing to write home about. The futility can't be fully appreciated unless you're a fan of all the teams. Vikings have a historically strong regular season record and are rarely awful. So what that they're 0-4 in the big one? Someone has to lose. Losing the first four? Sucks, but nothing unprecedented or statistically significant. Twins? They have their two championships in 65 seasons and more than their fair share of division titles. Can't hold anything against them. Wild making the playoffs in 8 of the last 10 seasons. Do you know what their sister Blue Jackets club have had to endure over their existence? What more could you ask for? [Don't ask for a series win in any of those eight playoff appearance this decade]. Timberwolves, 0-for-36 but we're right on the cusp. Right? Right?

And then you take the fact that there's one big D-1 school in the state, and they're also playing their part. It's incredible that just as the high hopes for the Timberwolves (and to a lesser degree Wild) come crashing down, suddenly the Twins get hot out of nowhere, taking the torch to set us up for the next disappointment.

It's legitimately starting to sell me on simulation theory. Some kid programmed me to be a MN sports fan at a young age and is tormenting me like an ant under a magnifying glass.
 
Updated resume two games into Wolves-Thunder that I should have posted here. Minnesota's record in conference championship games / ALCS:



Twins 0-1, lost ALCS to Angels 2002​
Vikings 0-4, Gary Anderson wide left in '99, 41-donut in East Rutherford '01, Favre across his body '10, Philly beatdown in '18​
Wild 0-1, lost WCF to Anaheim in '03​
Wolves 0-2, working on 0-3​
0-for-8, working on 0-9
Break it down by the actual game count in those series:​
Twins 1-4​
Vikings 0-4​
Wild 0-4​
Wolves 3-10 (thru game 2 WCF)​
4-22 .154
It should be noted that these numbers don't take into account:​
  • Twins 18-game playoff losing streak 2004-2023
  • Eight opening round playoff losses for the Wild in ten years and counting
  • Seven consecutive opening round playoff losses for the Wolves 1997-2003
  • Vikings 0-4 Super Bowl record (pre-1991)
  • Zero championships for the North Stars in their 26 seasons


While zero championships in 34 seasons despite having four bites at the apple for most of that time sounds incredible, the real story from a statistical standpoint is zero championship appearances. Par value would be about 8 expected championship appearances with 4 titles in that time. We have none. My dream isn't to see the Vikings win a Super Bowl, it's to see them get to one and at worst, build upon their loss count on the big stage just like my deceased ancestors got to experience in their time.

It really starts to feel like a situation where they complement each other in collectively tormenting the fanbase of the state they represent. Individual incompetence is nothing to write home about. The futility can't be fully appreciated unless you're a fan of all the teams. Vikings have a historically strong regular season record and are rarely awful. So what that they're 0-4 in the big one? Someone has to lose. Losing the first four? Sucks, but nothing unprecedented or statistically significant. Twins? They have their two championships in 65 seasons and more than their fair share of division titles. Can't hold anything against them. Wild making the playoffs in 8 of the last 10 seasons. Do you know what their sister Blue Jackets club have had to endure over their existence? What more could you ask for? [Don't ask for a series win in any of those eight playoff appearance this decade]. Timberwolves, 0-for-36 but we're right on the cusp. Right? Right?

And then you take the fact that there's one big D-1 school in the state, and they're also playing their part. It's incredible that just as the high hopes for the Timberwolves (and to a lesser degree Wild) come crashing down, suddenly the Twins get hot out of nowhere, taking the torch to set us up for the next disappointment.

It's legitimately starting to sell me on simulation theory. Some kid programmed me to be a MN sports fan at a young age and is tormenting me like an ant under a magnifying glass.
At least the weather is nice up there?
 
Updated resume two games into Wolves-Thunder that I should have posted here. Minnesota's record in conference championship games / ALCS:



Twins 0-1, lost ALCS to Angels 2002​
Vikings 0-4, Gary Anderson wide left in '99, 41-donut in East Rutherford '01, Favre across his body '10, Philly beatdown in '18​
Wild 0-1, lost WCF to Anaheim in '03​
Wolves 0-2, working on 0-3​
0-for-8, working on 0-9
Break it down by the actual game count in those series:​
Twins 1-4​
Vikings 0-4​
Wild 0-4​
Wolves 3-10 (thru game 2 WCF)​
4-22 .154
It should be noted that these numbers don't take into account:​
  • Twins 18-game playoff losing streak 2004-2023
  • Eight opening round playoff losses for the Wild in ten years and counting
  • Seven consecutive opening round playoff losses for the Wolves 1997-2003
  • Vikings 0-4 Super Bowl record (pre-1991)
  • Zero championships for the North Stars in their 26 seasons


While zero championships in 34 seasons despite having four bites at the apple for most of that time sounds incredible, the real story from a statistical standpoint is zero championship appearances. Par value would be about 8 expected championship appearances with 4 titles in that time. We have none. My dream isn't to see the Vikings win a Super Bowl, it's to see them get to one and at worst, build upon their loss count on the big stage just like my deceased ancestors got to experience in their time.

It really starts to feel like a situation where they complement each other in collectively tormenting the fanbase of the state they represent. Individual incompetence is nothing to write home about. The futility can't be fully appreciated unless you're a fan of all the teams. Vikings have a historically strong regular season record and are rarely awful. So what that they're 0-4 in the big one? Someone has to lose. Losing the first four? Sucks, but nothing unprecedented or statistically significant. Twins? They have their two championships in 65 seasons and more than their fair share of division titles. Can't hold anything against them. Wild making the playoffs in 8 of the last 10 seasons. Do you know what their sister Blue Jackets club have had to endure over their existence? What more could you ask for? [Don't ask for a series win in any of those eight playoff appearance this decade]. Timberwolves, 0-for-36 but we're right on the cusp. Right? Right?

And then you take the fact that there's one big D-1 school in the state, and they're also playing their part. It's incredible that just as the high hopes for the Timberwolves (and to a lesser degree Wild) come crashing down, suddenly the Twins get hot out of nowhere, taking the torch to set us up for the next disappointment.

It's legitimately starting to sell me on simulation theory. Some kid programmed me to be a MN sports fan at a young age and is tormenting me like an ant under a magnifying glass.
At least the weather is nice up there?
We got about a week. And then not much better than the Louisiana bayou.



Observations for the future scientific study of this phenomenon:

  • most obvious, the fairer sex is unaffected -- Lynx & Frost
  • "infected roots" theory
    • teams originating from MN unable to win championships in MN:
      • Vikings
      • Timberwolves
      • Wild
      • North Stars -- remedied by relocation
      • Loons
    • teams originating outside of MN, that won championships in MN:
      • Twins 1987 & 1991 (Washington Senators)
      • Lakers 1949, 1950, 1952, 1953, 1954 (Detroit Gems)
 
34 years for a city with all four major sports (and no finals/SB appearances, much less wins) is pretty hard to top, purely from a statistical standpoint. Add to that a Gopher hoops squad whose only Final Four appearance in my lifetime was erased from the record books, and it's been a tough run.

I watched both Twins WS wins as a teenager. Never thought I'd get to a point in my life where I'm legitimately wondering if any of those teams will make another appearance in my lifetime. :oldunsure:
 
12,000 days without a finals trip of any kind
Impossible. Is this real?
And are we talking just big four?

Lynx and Gophers have been recently.
No, they aren't counting the Lynx.

Minnesota sports is just so overflowing with excellence that acknowledging a franchise that just got robbed of a 5th title in the last 15 years is beneath them.

Minnesota sports fans aren't looking for excellence. They're just looking for people to listen to them whine.
 
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12,000 days without a finals trip of any kind
Impossible. Is this real?
And are we talking just big four?

Lynx and Gophers have been recently.
No, they aren't counting the Lynx.

Minnesota sports is just so overflowing with excellence that acknowledging a franchise that just got robbed of a 5th title in the last 15 years is beneath them.

Minnesota sports fans aren't looking for excellence. They're just looking for people to listen to them whine.
Thread wasn't started by a Minnesota fan.
 
12,000 days without a finals trip of any kind
Impossible. Is this real?
And are we talking just big four?

Lynx and Gophers have been recently.
No, they aren't counting the Lynx.

Minnesota sports is just so overflowing with excellence that acknowledging a franchise that just got robbed of a 5th title in the last 15 years is beneath them.

Minnesota sports fans aren't looking for excellence. They're just looking for people to listen to them whine.
Thread wasn't started by a Minnesota fan.

ZOMG SORRY FOR CARING ABOUT YOU.
 
12,000 days without a finals trip of any kind
Impossible. Is this real?
And are we talking just big four?

Lynx and Gophers have been recently.
No, they aren't counting the Lynx.

Minnesota sports is just so overflowing with excellence that acknowledging a franchise that just got robbed of a 5th title in the last 15 years is beneath them.

Minnesota sports fans aren't looking for excellence. They're just looking for people to listen to them whine.
OVER THE LINE!!
 
34 years for a city with all four major sports (and no finals/SB appearances, much less wins) is pretty hard to top, purely from a statistical standpoint. Add to that a Gopher hoops squad whose only Final Four appearance in my lifetime was erased from the record books, and it's been a tough run.

I watched both Twins WS wins as a teenager. Never thought I'd get to a point in my life where I'm legitimately wondering if any of those teams will make another appearance in my lifetime. :oldunsure:

Doesn't fit the 34-year drought narrative and it's one of very few regions where NCAA hockey is anywhere within shouting distance of basketball and football, but 22 years is getting a bit ridiculous for Gophers hockey with all of their built-in advantages.

With the BIG 10 Super Conference, it's getting nearly impossible to imagine a "trip to Pasadena" ever being a thing in our lifetime for football, which is quite sad to think about. I guess we can settle for following them out for a UCLA game.


As for the big 4, this is reaching a point where the drought is more interesting than some random team eventually crashing through and winning it. In a way, it's a personal question. Do you really want to see the cartoon where Wile E Coyote dines on the carcass of Roadrunner or Charlie Brown gets to kick the football? Seeing it would definitely satisfy some itch temporarily. After the dust settles, I feel like the whole operation would have lost its identity. I'm sure it was a great party for Cubs fans when they won, but the vibe of that franchise has never been the same since. There's beauty in the suffering.
 
I feel like the whole operation would have lost its identity. I'm sure it was a great party for Cubs fans when they won, but the vibe of that franchise has never been the same since. There's beauty in the suffering.
but the suffering needs to feel the jubilation of finally getting there. Without winning it eventually the suffering becomes numbing and that isn't great either. I am an LA Kings fan. It took them 45 years to finally get there. The jubilation was unmatched and has much more meaning than a team that didn't suffer much. All that to say if you never get the jubilation there is no payoff.

I am also a Vikings fan (so I don't root for all Minny teams) and I can't wait for when that day finally comes and winning would be totally worth losing that fandom identity of never winning.
 
I feel like the whole operation would have lost its identity. I'm sure it was a great party for Cubs fans when they won, but the vibe of that franchise has never been the same since. There's beauty in the suffering.
but the suffering needs to feel the jubilation of finally getting there. Without winning it eventually the suffering becomes numbing and that isn't great either. I am an LA Kings fan. It took them 45 years to finally get there. The jubilation was unmatched and has much more meaning than a team that didn't suffer much. All that to say if you never get the jubilation there is no payoff.

I am also a Vikings fan (so I don't root for all Minny teams) and I can't wait for when that day finally comes and winning would be totally worth losing that fandom identity of never winning.
Yeah I'm a Vikings, Timberwolves, Leafs, and Mets fan. Soft spots for the Wild and Twins of course if Leafs/Mets are out of it. I do remember '91 a bit even though I was very little. But I loved the Mets so much at that point it wasn't a big deal to me like if the Mets won. Baseball was my sole focus in life at the time and I did like Puckett so there was some decent enjoyment. Can't imagine it's the same, though.

I'll just take one in my lifetime. Just to know what it feels like. I really don't want to die a sports virgin, frankly.
 
I feel like the whole operation would have lost its identity. I'm sure it was a great party for Cubs fans when they won, but the vibe of that franchise has never been the same since. There's beauty in the suffering.
but the suffering needs to feel the jubilation of finally getting there. Without winning it eventually the suffering becomes numbing and that isn't great either. I am an LA Kings fan. It took them 45 years to finally get there. The jubilation was unmatched and has much more meaning than a team that didn't suffer much. All that to say if you never get the jubilation there is no payoff.

I am also a Vikings fan (so I don't root for all Minny teams) and I can't wait for when that day finally comes and winning would be totally worth losing that fandom identity of never winning.

You adapt. Maybe you become less interested in sports in general or put more time into actually playing one where you have some control (or playing fantasy football). As much time as I put into watching all four of these teams as a kid or even out of college, my interest is definitely waning and I would be lying if I said that 0-for-9 from the teams that have been the most cherished and successful over the past 34 seasons hasn't had a big part in that. It definitely begins to feel like a rigged carnival game at some point, even if I can't Identify the nature of the rig.

Chisholm, MN fictional character Moonlight Graham turned his sports frustrations into becoming a doctor. Starting to get the feeling that I'll be on my deathbed saying "win one for me one day, will ya boys?" to this collection of teams.
 
12,000 days without a finals trip of any kind
Impossible. Is this real?
And are we talking just big four?

Lynx and Gophers have been recently.
No, they aren't counting the Lynx.

Minnesota sports is just so overflowing with excellence that acknowledging a franchise that just got robbed of a 5th title in the last 15 years is beneath them.

Minnesota sports fans aren't looking for excellence. They're just looking for people to listen to them whine.
I’m not sure that’s true. It just becomes more and more improbable as the years go by, statistically speaking.

And true, I’m not counting Lynx. I watched quite a bit of the finals last year but I’m talking about the 4 major men’s pro sports that I’ve been a fan of since I was a kid. I guess you could draw the line wherever you wanted. The Frost just won the PWHL again. We have a soccer team, etc
 

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