Consider this before you blame players... (1 Viewer)

[BassNBrew]

I'm fine with the system as it is. It's essentially one year contracts with some signing bonus money that's guaranteed. These guys have to produce to earn the money they're due. If they don't produce enough, they take a pay cut or they're cut. If they over produce their contract like Larry Johnson, they force a pay raise. Pretty much like lots of "regular" people.So no, I don't have a problem with a guy overperforming like Larry Johnson holding out for more money. And I don't have a problem with an underperforming player having to take a pay cut. Works pretty well.J

However, if an NFL player is permanently injured and consequently cut, they will not receive disability payments equivalent to 60% of their normal paycheck for the rest of their life (ala long-term disability). Us "common-folk" have protection in place...NFL players do not.

Really....you have stats to back up that statement?

 

[-OZ-]

I'm fine with the system as it is. It's essentially one year contracts with some signing bonus money that's guaranteed. These guys have to produce to earn the money they're due. If they don't produce enough, they take a pay cut or they're cut. If they over produce their contract like Larry Johnson, they force a pay raise. Pretty much like lots of "regular" people.So no, I don't have a problem with a guy overperforming like Larry Johnson holding out for more money. And I don't have a problem with an underperforming player having to take a pay cut. Works pretty well.J

However, if an NFL player is permanently injured and consequently cut, they will not receive disability payments equivalent to 60% of their normal paycheck for the rest of their life (ala long-term disability). Us "common-folk" have protection in place...NFL players do not.

IIRC, they can purchase their own insurance. Take 10% or whatever it costs to self-insure. I'm not sure how many "common folk" have that protection. (I do, but that's an entirely different matter)

 

[GroveDiesel]

If you restructure your contract, somewhere you lost something.

not really. players convert salary money to signing bonus money all the time. the player gets the cash up front and the team gets to spread out the cap hit over the length of the contract. restructurings don't always equal a pay cut.

This is exactly what happened actually. They restructured the contract and converted a bunch of money from this year's salary to a bonus that he got last year. Now he's crying because his salary is low this year. From PFT:

Then again, Kendall is largely responsible for his current situation. He signed a new contract in March 2006 and received a $3.9 million signing bonus. Though the deal also reduced his base salary for 2006 from $4.3 million to $1.3 million, he came out of the transaction with more money on his 1040.

 

[Reaper]

Kendall's in what, year 2 of a 4 year deal? Forgive me if I don't have much sympathy for him.

Not the issue. Kendall was promised a $1 million bonus this year, which the team now refuses to pay.Would you be pissed if your boss promised you a $30,000 raise and then backed out on that commitment? Be honest.

The Jets were going to cut Kendall last year.....

At the last moment they came to him with an offer - The Jets decided that at THAT VALUE they would keep him... Kendalls agent knows the market at the time and agrees to sign a new deal that pays him a 3.9 signing bonus....

The Jets felt that at THAT PRCE they got this issue behind them and locked up a "decent" guard without having prolonged disputes... EVERYONE IS HAPPY - NICE!!!!!!

BUT WAIT... After just one year, Kendall says there were promises NOT in the contract?????

Doesn't make sense AT ALL.

Add that bonus to his salary and he made over 5 million last year... Now of course that bonus is supposed to be spread through the life of the contract IF HE HONORS IT!!!!!

I think Kendalls agent saw the contract guards got this year and figured he could tighten the screws to get a little more and possiby get Cut, walk away with FIVE MILLION DOLLARS for last year and then go out and get ANOTHER bonus in a better market now....

Kendall and his agent are out of their minds.....

Peter King:

This is how idiotic the trend toward re-doing perfectly good contracts is getting.

Fourteen months ago, New York Jets guard Pete Kendall, a serviceable but not Pro Bowl guard, renegotiated his contract into a four-year deal, through 2009. The Jets gave him a $3.9 million signing bonus and salaries of $1.3 million, $1.7 million, $2 million and $2.4 million. That's four years and $11.3 million.

A few months after earning the last of the $5.2 million his first year called for in salary and bonus, Kendall wants a new contract because of the insane money guards got in the free-agent market this offseason.

Let's extrapolate. The salary cap has gone up $24 million over the last two years. If all the players who signed four-year contracts in the last two years suddenly felt they were grossly underpaid, and said they weren't playing football again until their contract was fixed, what do you think would happen? I'll tell you what: There'd be 250 players skipping mini-camps and offseason programs right now, and there'd be a job-action crisis unlike any we've seen in this league in years.

Oh, and one other thing: Kendall will be 34 in July.

Some contract causes are just. Kendall's is insane.

 

[Reaper]

Kendall's in what, year 2 of a 4 year deal? Forgive me if I don't have much sympathy for him.

Not the issue. Kendall was promised a $1 million bonus this year, which the team now refuses to pay.Would you be pissed if your boss promised you a $30,000 raise and then backed out on that commitment? Be honest.

I believe he also restructured last year which was the source of the promise of more money. He took a paycut with the promise that it would be made up for the next year, and now the Jets are balking.

He re-structured but he didn't take a paycut. I don't see how Kendall is a "good guy." He only made his way to the Jets because he was divisive with Arizona. He's been trashing the team to the media so I don't feel bad for him. There's a right way and a wrong way to complain about your contract.

If you restructure your contract, somewhere you lost something. If the Jets promised him a million this offseason I have to assume that he definitely gsve something up somewhere, which is tantamount to a paycut.And if you look above I pointed out that he was drummed out of Seattle and AZ so I don't know where these analysts are getting their ideas that he's a good guy.

He did not take a pay cut - he had an NON-GUARANTEED contract - The team was going to cut him and then THEY ALL AGREED TO A NEW DEAL...AND.. He was given 3.9 Million GUARANTEED that he now wants to walk away with.

 

[Raider Nation]

Kendall's in what, year 2 of a 4 year deal? Forgive me if I don't have much sympathy for him.

Not the issue. Kendall was promised a $1 million bonus this year, which the team now refuses to pay.Would you be pissed if your boss promised you a $30,000 raise and then backed out on that commitment? Be honest.

I believe he also restructured last year which was the source of the promise of more money. He took a paycut with the promise that it would be made up for the next year, and now the Jets are balking.

He re-structured but he didn't take a paycut. I don't see how Kendall is a "good guy." He only made his way to the Jets because he was divisive with Arizona. He's been trashing the team to the media so I don't feel bad for him. There's a right way and a wrong way to complain about your contract.

If you restructure your contract, somewhere you lost something. If the Jets promised him a million this offseason I have to assume that he definitely gsve something up somewhere, which is tantamount to a paycut.And if you look above I pointed out that he was drummed out of Seattle and AZ so I don't know where these analysts are getting their ideas that he's a good guy.

He did not take a pay cut - he had an NON-GUARANTEED contract - The team was going to cut him and then THEY ALL AGREED TO A NEW DEAL...AND.. He was given 3.9 Million GUARANTEED that he now wants to walk away with.

I can't quite hear you.

 

[RenegadeGM]

Kendall's in what, year 2 of a 4 year deal? Forgive me if I don't have much sympathy for him.

Not the issue. Kendall was promised a $1 million bonus this year, which the team now refuses to pay.Would you be pissed if your boss promised you a $30,000 raise and then backed out on that commitment? Be honest.

I believe he also restructured last year which was the source of the promise of more money. He took a paycut with the promise that it would be made up for the next year, and now the Jets are balking.

He re-structured but he didn't take a paycut. I don't see how Kendall is a "good guy." He only made his way to the Jets because he was divisive with Arizona. He's been trashing the team to the media so I don't feel bad for him. There's a right way and a wrong way to complain about your contract.

If you restructure your contract, somewhere you lost something. If the Jets promised him a million this offseason I have to assume that he definitely gsve something up somewhere, which is tantamount to a paycut.And if you look above I pointed out that he was drummed out of Seattle and AZ so I don't know where these analysts are getting their ideas that he's a good guy.

Exactly... IIRC, wasn't Kendall one of the guys Dennis Green cut after finding out he was one of the players who complained to the NFL after his early practices, causing the Cards to subsequently lose some OTAs or something like that?Similar to what happened when Coughlin took over in NY and Marinelli in DET.Edited to add: this has nothing to do with the contract argument, but more to the point that Kendall isn't necessarily known as a "great guy".

 

[proninja]

I totally agree. If I was underpaid in a league without guaranteed contracts, I'd hold out until I was paid market value. If I was being overpaid, you can be certain I'd get cut and re-signed at market value.

Yep. This topic is especially interesting to me because I'm an independent contractor. I am constantly battling with the companies through whom I am contracted over what wages are "fair" for my services, and it's easy to feel unappreciated. Albeit I'm on a much smaller pay scale, granted. But I feel what they're going through.

Exactly. And, on top of it all, if a player sits to make sure that he doesn't injure himself further, he's not a "team player" and he takes the PR hit for being soft. Well, guarantee my contract, and I'll leave it all out there for you. If you're going to cut me as soon as I get hurt busting my ### for your team, well, tough dookie.

So you'll half ### my loan unless I guarantee to use you for all future loans?

No, but if you wanted me to guarantee that I wouldn't do loans for anybody but you, I'd work out some sort of a guarantee whereby if I were to do that for you, there'd be a satisfactory amount of loans in it for me.

 

[Phurfur]

I see your point, and a part of me agrees. However, it's hard for a blue collar guy like myself to relate when a Jamarcus Russell is turning down 31 million guaranteed because he wants 34 million guaranteed or something to that affect. So he is missing camp, and potentially hurting his team over less than 10% of his guaranteed money, not to mention any salaries or bonuses involved. And we're not talking about a guy who makes 30k a year fighting for 33k a year, this one contract will set him for life regardless of that 3 mil difference.I could find a way to be set for life just with the amount that he is squabbling over.

What keeps me on the side of the players (usually) is the fact that if the player does not get the money, the owner does. Does the owner deserve it?

Yes, Business 101 my friend -The purpose of a corporation is to earn money for its shareholders.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Kendall's in what, year 2 of a 4 year deal? Forgive me if I don't have much sympathy for him.

Not the issue. Kendall was promised a $1 million bonus this year, which the team now refuses to pay.Would you be pissed if your boss promised you a $30,000 raise and then backed out on that commitment? Be honest.

I believe he also restructured last year which was the source of the promise of more money. He took a paycut with the promise that it would be made up for the next year, and now the Jets are balking.

He re-structured but he didn't take a paycut. I don't see how Kendall is a "good guy." He only made his way to the Jets because he was divisive with Arizona. He's been trashing the team to the media so I don't feel bad for him. There's a right way and a wrong way to complain about your contract.

If you restructure your contract, somewhere you lost something. If the Jets promised him a million this offseason I have to assume that he definitely gsve something up somewhere, which is tantamount to a paycut.And if you look above I pointed out that he was drummed out of Seattle and AZ so I don't know where these analysts are getting their ideas that he's a good guy.

Exactly... IIRC, wasn't Kendall one of the guys Dennis Green cut after finding out he was one of the players who complained to the NFL after his early practices, causing the Cards to subsequently lose some OTAs or something like that?Similar to what happened when Coughlin took over in NY and Marinelli in DET.Edited to add: this has nothing to do with the contract argument, but more to the point that Kendall isn't necessarily known as a "great guy".

So if a coach is violating the NFL rules and a player complains about it, he's not a good guy? That doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

 

[RenegadeGM]

Kendall's in what, year 2 of a 4 year deal? Forgive me if I don't have much sympathy for him.

Not the issue. Kendall was promised a $1 million bonus this year, which the team now refuses to pay.Would you be pissed if your boss promised you a $30,000 raise and then backed out on that commitment? Be honest.

I believe he also restructured last year which was the source of the promise of more money. He took a paycut with the promise that it would be made up for the next year, and now the Jets are balking.

He re-structured but he didn't take a paycut. I don't see how Kendall is a "good guy." He only made his way to the Jets because he was divisive with Arizona. He's been trashing the team to the media so I don't feel bad for him. There's a right way and a wrong way to complain about your contract.

If you restructure your contract, somewhere you lost something. If the Jets promised him a million this offseason I have to assume that he definitely gsve something up somewhere, which is tantamount to a paycut.And if you look above I pointed out that he was drummed out of Seattle and AZ so I don't know where these analysts are getting their ideas that he's a good guy.

Exactly... IIRC, wasn't Kendall one of the guys Dennis Green cut after finding out he was one of the players who complained to the NFL after his early practices, causing the Cards to subsequently lose some OTAs or something like that?Similar to what happened when Coughlin took over in NY and Marinelli in DET.Edited to add: this has nothing to do with the contract argument, but more to the point that Kendall isn't necessarily known as a "great guy".

So if a coach is violating the NFL rules and a player complains about it, he's not a good guy? That doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

I don't know the particulars of the case... was just noting that this isn't the first time he's had a run-in with management. I'm not taking sides here as I don't know all the facts... just saying he's had run-ins with at least one other nad maybe two other teams. I don't know Kendall personally, but maybe where there is smoke there is fire.

 

[Chase Stuart]

The Jets felt that at THAT PRCE they got this issue behind them and locked up a "decent" guard without having prolonged disputes... EVERYONE IS HAPPY - NICE!!!!!!

Kendall's a lot more than a decent guard. He played at a Pro Bowl level in '04, being one of the very top guards in the league. He struggled as a center in '05, because he's not a center. Last year he played in between two rookie first round picks, and played at a very high level. He's been more than a "decent" guard for the Jets.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Kendall's in what, year 2 of a 4 year deal? Forgive me if I don't have much sympathy for him.

Not the issue. Kendall was promised a $1 million bonus this year, which the team now refuses to pay.Would you be pissed if your boss promised you a $30,000 raise and then backed out on that commitment? Be honest.

I believe he also restructured last year which was the source of the promise of more money. He took a paycut with the promise that it would be made up for the next year, and now the Jets are balking.

He re-structured but he didn't take a paycut. I don't see how Kendall is a "good guy." He only made his way to the Jets because he was divisive with Arizona. He's been trashing the team to the media so I don't feel bad for him. There's a right way and a wrong way to complain about your contract.

If you restructure your contract, somewhere you lost something. If the Jets promised him a million this offseason I have to assume that he definitely gsve something up somewhere, which is tantamount to a paycut.And if you look above I pointed out that he was drummed out of Seattle and AZ so I don't know where these analysts are getting their ideas that he's a good guy.

Exactly... IIRC, wasn't Kendall one of the guys Dennis Green cut after finding out he was one of the players who complained to the NFL after his early practices, causing the Cards to subsequently lose some OTAs or something like that?Similar to what happened when Coughlin took over in NY and Marinelli in DET.Edited to add: this has nothing to do with the contract argument, but more to the point that Kendall isn't necessarily known as a "great guy".

So if a coach is violating the NFL rules and a player complains about it, he's not a good guy? That doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

I don't know the particulars of the case... was just noting that this isn't the first time he's had a run-in with management. I'm not taking sides here as I don't know all the facts... just saying he's had run-ins with at least one other nad maybe two other teams. I don't know Kendall personally, but maybe where there is smoke there is fire.

I don't see how that's a run in with management...it's more management running into you, unfairly.If you work in a mine, and your supervisor is breaking federal laws on safety, you might report that to someone. After your supervisor got in trouble for breaking the law, she might fire you. Would you say that you had a run-in with management?

 

[RenegadeGM]

Kendall's in what, year 2 of a 4 year deal? Forgive me if I don't have much sympathy for him.

Not the issue. Kendall was promised a $1 million bonus this year, which the team now refuses to pay.Would you be pissed if your boss promised you a $30,000 raise and then backed out on that commitment? Be honest.

I believe he also restructured last year which was the source of the promise of more money. He took a paycut with the promise that it would be made up for the next year, and now the Jets are balking.

He re-structured but he didn't take a paycut. I don't see how Kendall is a "good guy." He only made his way to the Jets because he was divisive with Arizona. He's been trashing the team to the media so I don't feel bad for him. There's a right way and a wrong way to complain about your contract.

If you restructure your contract, somewhere you lost something. If the Jets promised him a million this offseason I have to assume that he definitely gsve something up somewhere, which is tantamount to a paycut.And if you look above I pointed out that he was drummed out of Seattle and AZ so I don't know where these analysts are getting their ideas that he's a good guy.

Exactly... IIRC, wasn't Kendall one of the guys Dennis Green cut after finding out he was one of the players who complained to the NFL after his early practices, causing the Cards to subsequently lose some OTAs or something like that?Similar to what happened when Coughlin took over in NY and Marinelli in DET.Edited to add: this has nothing to do with the contract argument, but more to the point that Kendall isn't necessarily known as a "great guy".

So if a coach is violating the NFL rules and a player complains about it, he's not a good guy? That doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

I don't know the particulars of the case... was just noting that this isn't the first time he's had a run-in with management. I'm not taking sides here as I don't know all the facts... just saying he's had run-ins with at least one other nad maybe two other teams. I don't know Kendall personally, but maybe where there is smoke there is fire.

I don't see how that's a run in with management...it's more management running into you, unfairly.If you work in a mine, and your supervisor is breaking federal laws on safety, you might report that to someone. After your supervisor got in trouble for breaking the law, she might fire you. Would you say that you had a run-in with management?

Good point... like I said, I don't know all the facts. I just see a talented guy at a crucial position bouncing from team to team. Makes you wonder.And I do wonder if he tanked those snaps the other night.