Conspiracy Theorists UNITE! Refs just refuse to call penalties on the Chiefs (2 Viewers)

[pinkstapler]

This video showing side-by-side views of both teams' OT's is pretty good "hard evidence" that the "lining up to the center's belt line" situation was refereed unequally.

The video shows amazing timing by LT Juwan Taylor to avoid a false start, but then the author makes a cogent argument that this timing is enabled by egregiously lining up in the backfield to enable better vision of the center snap.

Video: The NFL is already helping the Chiefs CHEAT

Disclaimer: Video author is a Broncos fanatic.

My last post on this because again, I don't really care about the individual arguments here nor do I think it will ever provide anything fruitful; I was just trying to point out the macro perspective of the whole thing. But any video "evidence" that isn't shown from at least close to a perpendicular angle is bad evidence to me. It's impossible to tell alignments with the ball and with the center that Refs are analyzing where a few inches are the difference between a penalty/not a penalty when the camera shot is looking over a CBs shoulder taken at a 45 deg angle. And, at least in my experience, a video making a fair argument on this wouldn't be called "The NFL is already helping the Chiefs CHEAT". Obviously points to not only bias, but someone who is incapable of/unwilling to have reasonable discourse. But if that isn't obvious to you, again, I doubt there's much room for fruitful discussion here.

 

[Stoneworker]

This video showing side-by-side views of both teams' OT's is pretty good "hard evidence" that the "lining up to the center's belt line" situation was refereed unequally.

The video shows amazing timing by LT Juwan Taylor to avoid a false start, but then the author makes a cogent argument that this timing is enabled by egregiously lining up in the backfield to enable better vision of the center snap.

Video: The NFL is already helping the Chiefs CHEAT

Disclaimer: Video author is a Broncos fanatic.

But any video "evidence" that isn't shown from at least close to a perpendicular angle is bad evidence to me.

The angle of the camera makes zero difference because by looking at the foot placements of the respective OT's relative to the ball and hash marks any objective observer can easily see the differences.

Lol. And I fully realize that the video was made by a Broncos fan which I fully disclosed so of course there is going to be risk of bias in the conclusion.

If you have something better or more tangible than just your own biased words, then by all means please provide it.

 

[Bossman]

In the end we all just have to swallow it because KC winning is what is best for the league and the officials appear to be conscious of that.
Now that their team is backed by Taylor Swift, there is a much larger fan base wanting that team to win. More Fans = More $$$
S***'s rigged but we're all still going to watch it.

 

[IHEARTFF]

On the timeout, I read somewhere that Andy had already gotten the timeout recognized but not sure why that isn't being shown or if its 100% true or not

 

[efactor]

OL blatant false starts
Spaggs calling timeout instead of Reid, and no penalty?

Meanwhile,
Baltimore OL called for 187 penalties for not being close enough to the line.
Def called for a ridiculous roughing the passer call

It really looks sooooo obvious that the refs are still showing preference to KC.

The worst is the Superbowls they have won...

They were the 6th most penalized team last year, and had the most offensive holding calls last year during the regular season, but somehow in the playoffs the "Chiefs consistently had fewer penalties than their opponents throughout the playoffs.", and didn't have any offensive holding calls in the superbowl. They have never once had a single holding call against them in the 3 straight superbowls.

I am a panthers fan btw...

Yeah, the zero offensive holding penalties is amazing for a team that has a lot in the regular season. Amazing I tell you.

 

[Wildcat]

OL blatant false starts
Spaggs calling timeout instead of Reid, and no penalty?

Meanwhile,
Baltimore OL called for 187 penalties for not being close enough to the line.
Def called for a ridiculous roughing the passer call

It really looks sooooo obvious that the refs are still showing preference to KC.

The worst is the Superbowls they have won...

They were the 6th most penalized team last year, and had the most offensive holding calls last year during the regular season, but somehow in the playoffs the "Chiefs consistently had fewer penalties than their opponents throughout the playoffs.", and didn't have any offensive holding calls in the superbowl. They have never once had a single holding call against them in the 3 straight superbowls.

I am a panthers fan btw...

Yeah, the zero offensive holding penalties is amazing for a team that has a lot in the regular season. Amazing I tell you.

They rise above in the playoffs. The great teams do.

 

[Wildcat]

OL blatant false starts
Spaggs calling timeout instead of Reid, and no penalty?

Meanwhile,
Baltimore OL called for 187 penalties for not being close enough to the line.
Def called for a ridiculous roughing the passer call

It really looks sooooo obvious that the refs are still showing preference to KC.

The worst is the Superbowls they have won...

They were the 6th most penalized team last year, and had the most offensive holding calls last year during the regular season, but somehow in the playoffs the "Chiefs consistently had fewer penalties than their opponents throughout the playoffs.", and didn't have any offensive holding calls in the superbowl. They have never once had a single holding call against them in the 3 straight superbowls.

I am a panthers fan btw...

Let’s look at the first part of what you said. So they were getting penalized in the regular season. Why are some here complaining that they aren’t? Should they have been the most penalized team?

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

OL blatant false starts
Spaggs calling timeout instead of Reid, and no penalty?

Meanwhile,
Baltimore OL called for 187 penalties for not being close enough to the line.
Def called for a ridiculous roughing the passer call

It really looks sooooo obvious that the refs are still showing preference to KC.

The worst is the Superbowls they have won...

They were the 6th most penalized team last year, and had the most offensive holding calls last year during the regular season, but somehow in the playoffs the "Chiefs consistently had fewer penalties than their opponents throughout the playoffs.", and didn't have any offensive holding calls in the superbowl. They have never once had a single holding call against them in the 3 straight superbowls.

I am a panthers fan btw...

Yeah, the zero offensive holding penalties is amazing for a team that has a lot in the regular season. Amazing I tell you.

Hard to draw a definitive conclusion there without more context, though. "A lot" of offensive holding penalties is like a little more than 1 per game on average. It's not like they were called for it 6 times a game all season and then none in the Super Bowl. Would be interesting to see this stat for their opponents as well. It could be the case that they just call fewer penalties in the Super Bowl in general and let the guys play a little more, in which case it wouldn't be unusual at all for a team that averaged 1 per game all season to get 0 in the Super Bowl.

I have no idea what the actual answer is, and I'm a SF fan so I hate the Chiefs as much as anyone. But you gotta be careful about random stats.

 

[efactor]

OL blatant false starts
Spaggs calling timeout instead of Reid, and no penalty?

Meanwhile,
Baltimore OL called for 187 penalties for not being close enough to the line.
Def called for a ridiculous roughing the passer call

It really looks sooooo obvious that the refs are still showing preference to KC.

The worst is the Superbowls they have won...

They were the 6th most penalized team last year, and had the most offensive holding calls last year during the regular season, but somehow in the playoffs the "Chiefs consistently had fewer penalties than their opponents throughout the playoffs.", and didn't have any offensive holding calls in the superbowl. They have never once had a single holding call against them in the 3 straight superbowls.

I am a panthers fan btw...

Yeah, the zero offensive holding penalties is amazing for a team that has a lot in the regular season. Amazing I tell you.

They rise above in the playoffs. The great teams do.

Not in this area. They still hold plenty. It just isn't called.

 

[General Malaise]

OL blatant false starts
Spaggs calling timeout instead of Reid, and no penalty?

Meanwhile,
Baltimore OL called for 187 penalties for not being close enough to the line.
Def called for a ridiculous roughing the passer call

It really looks sooooo obvious that the refs are still showing preference to KC.

To be fair, the refs SHOULD have called a late hit penalty on Roquan Smith on that out of bounds shot to Mahomes. I'm shocked that wasn't flagged, so the officiating wasn't completely biased, IMO.

 

[Wildcat]

OL blatant false starts
Spaggs calling timeout instead of Reid, and no penalty?

Meanwhile,
Baltimore OL called for 187 penalties for not being close enough to the line.
Def called for a ridiculous roughing the passer call

It really looks sooooo obvious that the refs are still showing preference to KC.

The worst is the Superbowls they have won...

They were the 6th most penalized team last year, and had the most offensive holding calls last year during the regular season, but somehow in the playoffs the "Chiefs consistently had fewer penalties than their opponents throughout the playoffs.", and didn't have any offensive holding calls in the superbowl. They have never once had a single holding call against them in the 3 straight superbowls.

I am a panthers fan btw...

Yeah, the zero offensive holding penalties is amazing for a team that has a lot in the regular season. Amazing I tell you.

They rise above in the playoffs. The great teams do.

Not in this area. They still hold plenty. It just isn't called.

There’s likely holding on almost every play in the NFL if you wanted to call it. Do the Chiefs get the benefit of the doubt? Maybe. I just think there’s a bunch of conspiracy theorists in here. This happens all the time when there is a dynasty team. It was the Cowboys haters, then the Patriots haters. Rinse and repeat

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Similar to when the Pats went on their run, I think teams playing the Chiefs beat themselves a lot more than do against other teams. The Chiefs deserve credit for this as they put themselves in this position where teams are trying so hard to beat them that they do uncharacteristic things. There were numerous examples in the Super Bowl where the Niners simply beat themselves.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

The no flag on Spags is the most blatant. Everyone just laughed that off??

it's not a penalty....ref is supposed to ignore it.....but he didn't....you only call it after verifying it was the head coach.....ref screwed up....but it's not a penalty on KC

 

[Stinkin Ref]

This is very likely just a happy coincidence for the NFL than an actual engineered outcome; but in an online media world driven by views, clicks, and comments/engagement the Refs making a few bad calls every game is a literal goldmine for them. Having it favor the team that's recently become the most "hated" in the league pushes the numbers even more. I've typically heard this argument made semi-jokingly about replacing baseball umpires with machines that can call balls and strikes, but it feels relevant here too: without the human element to not only keep errors in refereeing, but also the concept of "judgement calls", what will all the fans talk about? It feels like a serious case could be made it goes against their own self-interest to remove these errors and judgement calls from games when they seemingly have no negative effect on views/engagement. And again, if anything, they seem to increase those things for the respective leagues. Just interesting food for thought.

Not that my opinion matters much, but I didn't think anything last night was too egregious. If/when an asst. coach gets a penalty for attempting to call a time out a few weeks from now, I'll likely change my mind haha. I'm almost positive every single O-line coach is meeting with their squad today and tomorrow to go over alignments though, as it could not have been anymore clear that's an issue the NFL wants addressed this year. I think that's a positive too. Offenses have gotten so much benefit from rule changes and adjustments the past few years, it's nice to see an advantage being reigned in a bit. Should make it a bit easier on defenses to generate pressure and give QBs a few less ticks to get rid of the ball in the pocket.

....this might be the most underrated post in the history of the Shark Pool....hopefully everybody takes the time to read it

 

[Stinkin Ref]

The no flag on Spags is the most blatant. Everyone just laughed that off??

Hiding it in plain sight, it seems.

its not a penalty....ref just shouldn't have granted it...

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Offenses have gotten so much benefit from rule changes and adjustments the past few years, it's nice to see an advantage being reigned in a bit. Should make it a bit easier on defenses to generate pressure and give QBs a few less ticks to get rid of the ball in the pocket.

Then why didn't they call false starts on the Chiefs right tackle? He got a head start on pass blocking on every passing play.

No clue, but honestly I feel like it's been like that for years and isn't just a Chiefs thing. Kyle Long made a career of false starting nearly every single play and just never getting called for it. I think Lane Johnson was a serial offender as well. Not saying it's right, but it's different then the alignment issue as the alignment they have a few seconds to look at and judge before the snap. The early jumps are a split second call. Again, not excusing it, but they are two different things.

The psychologist in me just sees the trends in the fact people don't like the Chiefs, there's a belief the refs favor the Chiefs (leaving out whether it's true or not, what is not really debatable is people do think that), so it's proven science that much, much more time and attention is going to be put on analyzing and critiquing the refs calls in Chiefs game with a focus on calls that favor them. So we are going to see more there, and also it is going to be reported and publicized there, more than probably any other team/matchup in the league. This isn't a counter argument saying that any of those popular beliefs aren't true; just we should acknowledge the fact it 100% makes complete sense that it will be analyzed/seen/talked about more than any other team and create a bit of a self-fulfilling prophesy effect with the Chiefs. Almost similar to Taylor Swift in the stands. It feels unrelenting because everywhere you look people are talking about it. They could show her only once, but if every tv show and social media outlet is reporting on/posting about it 100 times a day, it's going to seem to be a lot worse than it might actually be.

gold medal

 

[pinkstapler]

The no flag on Spags is the most blatant. Everyone just laughed that off??

it's not a penalty....ref is supposed to ignore it.....but he didn't....you only call it after verifying it was the head coach.....ref screwed up....but it's not a penalty on KC

He could have been wrong and I didn't see it myself during the game; but fairly certain I heard Collinsworth say in the game the ref Spags was approaching did ignore him, and that it was a different ref who granted the timeout, and that he acknowledged that timeout call from Reid not Spags. Not sure if that matters in regards to whether or not a penalty should have been called against KC for anyone other than the HC *attempting* to call a timeout because I wasn't even aware of that being a rule until last night (if it even is).

 

[Gally]

OL blatant false starts
Spaggs calling timeout instead of Reid, and no penalty?

Meanwhile,
Baltimore OL called for 187 penalties for not being close enough to the line.
Def called for a ridiculous roughing the passer call

It really looks sooooo obvious that the refs are still showing preference to KC.

To be fair, the refs SHOULD have called a late hit penalty on Roquan Smith on that out of bounds shot to Mahomes. I'm shocked that wasn't flagged, so the officiating wasn't completely biased, IMO.

Only if they then threw the flag for embellishment on Mahomes.

Yes, Roquan was dumb and 9 out of 10 times they call that but it wasn't bad and Mahomes turned ragdoll and tried to flop for the call. I liked it wasn't called as it was a minor touch.

 

[DeaLerZ]

OL blatant false starts
Spaggs calling timeout instead of Reid, and no penalty?

Meanwhile,
Baltimore OL called for 187 penalties for not being close enough to the line.
Def called for a ridiculous roughing the passer call

It really looks sooooo obvious that the refs are still showing preference to KC.

The worst is the Superbowls they have won...

They were the 6th most penalized team last year, and had the most offensive holding calls last year during the regular season, but somehow in the playoffs the "Chiefs consistently had fewer penalties than their opponents throughout the playoffs.", and didn't have any offensive holding calls in the superbowl. They have never once had a single holding call against them in the 3 straight superbowls.

I am a panthers fan btw...

Yeah, the zero offensive holding penalties is amazing for a team that has a lot in the regular season. Amazing I tell you.

They rise above in the playoffs. The great teams do.

Not in this area. They still hold plenty. It just isn't called.

There’s likely holding on almost every play in the NFL if you wanted to call it. Do the Chiefs get the benefit of the doubt? Maybe. I just think there’s a bunch of conspiracy theorists in here. This happens all the time when there is a dynasty team. It was the Cowboys haters, then the Patriots haters. Rinse and repeat

Nothing conspiracy about it. Don't care that they are a "dynasty". These are just the facts. Take the facts however you want

They were the 6th most penalized team in the league last year
#1 in Offensive holding calls last season

Than come playoff time they all of the sudden don't get penalized as often, and haven't once been called for offensive holding during any of their 3 superbowl wins

 

[Stinkin Ref]

OL blatant false starts
Spaggs calling timeout instead of Reid, and no penalty?

Meanwhile,
Baltimore OL called for 187 penalties for not being close enough to the line.
Def called for a ridiculous roughing the passer call

It really looks sooooo obvious that the refs are still showing preference to KC.

The worst is the Superbowls they have won...

They were the 6th most penalized team last year, and had the most offensive holding calls last year during the regular season, but somehow in the playoffs the "Chiefs consistently had fewer penalties than their opponents throughout the playoffs.", and didn't have any offensive holding calls in the superbowl. They have never once had a single holding call against them in the 3 straight superbowls.

I am a panthers fan btw...

Yeah, the zero offensive holding penalties is amazing for a team that has a lot in the regular season. Amazing I tell you.

They rise above in the playoffs. The great teams do.

Not in this area. They still hold plenty. It just isn't called.

There’s likely holding on almost every play in the NFL if you wanted to call it. Do the Chiefs get the benefit of the doubt? Maybe. I just think there’s a bunch of conspiracy theorists in here. This happens all the time when there is a dynasty team. It was the Cowboys haters, then the Patriots haters. Rinse and repeat

this

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I have been to I don't know how many threads in this forum...but it's a lot....of people crying about how the league/refs favor the Chiefs....and still not one single person has answered this question...

HOW EXACTLY IS THIS PASSED ON TO 120+ REFS .....?

secret meetings in an alley.....?....TOP SECRET envelopes delivered to each ref....email....text.........zoom call...?

 

[TomServo]

I have been to I don't know how many threads in this forum...but it's a lot....of people crying about how the league/refs favor the Chiefs....and still not one single person has answered this question...

HOW EXACTLY IS THIS PAASED ON TO 120+ REFS .....?

secret meetings in an alley.....?....TOP SECRET envelopes delivered to each ref....email....text.........zoom call...?

Hidden lyrics in Taylor Swift songs.

 

[efactor]

I have been to I don't know how many threads in this forum...but it's a lot....of people crying about how the league/refs favor the Chiefs....and still not one single person has answered this question...

HOW EXACTLY IS THIS PAASED ON TO 120+ REFS .....?

secret meetings in an alley.....?....TOP SECRET envelopes delivered to each ref....email....text.........zoom call...?

Geeeezzzzzz Homer, probably the dark web

If there is nothing to it, why do you get so upset when people bring it up? Why don't you just relish in the joy?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I have been to I don't know how many threads in this forum...but it's a lot....of people crying about how the league/refs favor the Chiefs....and still not one single person has answered this question...

HOW EXACTLY IS THIS PAASED ON TO 120+ REFS .....?

secret meetings in an alley.....?....TOP SECRET envelopes delivered to each ref....email....text.........zoom call...?

There's a very simple explanation that has alluded to multiple times in this exact thread: the Jordan effect.

Maybe that's not what's happening and folks are totally wrong about that. But it's kind of embarrassing for a sports fan to be unfamiliar with the concept of referees being a little biased in favor of superstars.

 

[Bossman]

I'll just leave this right here ....
Once Again, rules do not apply to KC

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I have been to I don't know how many threads in this forum...but it's a lot....of people crying about how the league/refs favor the Chiefs....and still not one single person has answered this question...

HOW EXACTLY IS THIS PAASED ON TO 120+ REFS .....?

secret meetings in an alley.....?....TOP SECRET envelopes delivered to each ref....email....text.........zoom call...?

There's a very simple explanation that has alluded to multiple times in this exact thread: the Jordan effect.

Maybe that's not what's happening and folks are totally wrong about that. But it's kind of embarrassing for a sports fan to be unfamiliar with the concept of referees being a little biased in favor of superstars.

so it's not really a true conspiracy theory that has any legs or merit....it is sports fans needing to realize that 120+ refs are doing this without even knowing they are doing it.....got it

and the Chiefs are the only team with superstars.....got it

 

[efactor]

I'll just leave this right here ....
Once Again, rules do not apply to KC

Horrible

Also remember last year when the Refs had the gall to call Toney for the penalty on the Kecle to Toney lateral TD when he was obviously offside. Mahomes was yelling at the official during the game that Toney wasn't offside and still upset about it after the game and said "to take away greatness like that. I know as fans, you want to see the guys on the field decide the game". Forget the fact that it was the right call and Toney was well beyond the LOS. What a friggin hypocrite. He gets virtually every call his way, but that just isn't enough.

 

[efactor]

I have been to I don't know how many threads in this forum...but it's a lot....of people crying about how the league/refs favor the Chiefs....and still not one single person has answered this question...

HOW EXACTLY IS THIS PAASED ON TO 120+ REFS .....?

secret meetings in an alley.....?....TOP SECRET envelopes delivered to each ref....email....text.........zoom call...?

There's a very simple explanation that has alluded to multiple times in this exact thread: the Jordan effect.

Maybe that's not what's happening and folks are totally wrong about that. But it's kind of embarrassing for a sports fan to be unfamiliar with the concept of referees being a little biased in favor of superstars.

so it's not really a true conspiracy theory that has any legs or merit....it is sports fans needing to realize that 120+ refs are doing this without even knowing they are doing it.....got it

and the Chiefs are the only team with superstars.....got it

OK Mr. Simpson

 

[karl.Racki]

I'll just leave this right here ....
Once Again, rules do not apply to KC

Why does this shock anyone.. They have a guy who has 8 felonies against him still playing.. Rules don't apply to them.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

chiefs hate is awesome....adults get a forum to bring out their inner crybaby....

 

[General Malaise]

OL blatant false starts
Spaggs calling timeout instead of Reid, and no penalty?

Meanwhile,
Baltimore OL called for 187 penalties for not being close enough to the line.
Def called for a ridiculous roughing the passer call

It really looks sooooo obvious that the refs are still showing preference to KC.

To be fair, the refs SHOULD have called a late hit penalty on Roquan Smith on that out of bounds shot to Mahomes. I'm shocked that wasn't flagged, so the officiating wasn't completely biased, IMO.

Only if they then threw the flag for embellishment on Mahomes.

Yes, Roquan was dumb and 9 out of 10 times they call that but it wasn't bad and Mahomes turned ragdoll and tried to flop for the call. I liked it wasn't called as it was a minor touch.

I liked that it wasn't called either, but I think Collinsworth was surprised it wasn't and so was I, considering how many flags were tossed on the night.

 

[Gally]

OL blatant false starts
Spaggs calling timeout instead of Reid, and no penalty?

Meanwhile,
Baltimore OL called for 187 penalties for not being close enough to the line.
Def called for a ridiculous roughing the passer call

It really looks sooooo obvious that the refs are still showing preference to KC.

To be fair, the refs SHOULD have called a late hit penalty on Roquan Smith on that out of bounds shot to Mahomes. I'm shocked that wasn't flagged, so the officiating wasn't completely biased, IMO.

Only if they then threw the flag for embellishment on Mahomes.

Yes, Roquan was dumb and 9 out of 10 times they call that but it wasn't bad and Mahomes turned ragdoll and tried to flop for the call. I liked it wasn't called as it was a minor touch.

I liked that it wasn't called either, but I think Collinsworth was surprised it wasn't and so was I, considering how many flags were tossed on the night.

Don't get me wrong, I was floored that there was no flag. I was extremely happy there wasn't one but expected it.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

chiefs hate is awesome....adults get a forum to bring out their inner crybaby....

It's not Chiefs hater, I'm a big fan of Mahomes and Reid,
Let's not mince words or just throw shade or a blanket over what is an obvious issue and clear visual problem to everyone watching at home
That includes just blowing off people posting with "Chiefs Hate" because that's what you believe but it's simply not true.
Juwan Taylor for about 2.5 years now, everyone watching at home can see this Cheifs' Tackle get off the line prior to the snap...and he needs to obviously but it's not legal.
People that post about this are not Chiefs' haters or "crazy"

-If we are going to have a rationale conversation, great but if it's just all rolled up as Cheifs' hate, very short sighted and obtuse on this issue.

But I felt the Chiefs did win the game fairly and Lamar Jackson showed at the end why he's Lamar Jackson and why Mahomes is Mahomes.
Don't shoot at MoP, just keeping it real. The illegal formation calls stopped the flow of the game and then salt in the wound is Taylor starting early before the snap

 

[Payne]

The no flag on Spags is the most blatant. Everyone just laughed that off??

Hiding it in plain sight, it seems.

its not a penalty....ref just shouldn't have granted it...

It says in the link above it can be a penalty

 

[efactor]

chiefs hate is awesome....adults get a forum to bring out their inner crybaby....

And you whining even when your team wins

 

[Stinkin Ref]

chiefs hate is awesome....adults get a forum to bring out their inner crybaby....

It's not Chiefs hate, I'm a big fan of Mahomes and Reid,
Let's not mince words or just throw shade or a blanket over what is an obvious issue and clear visual problem to everyone watching at home
That includes just blowing off people posting with "Chiefs Hate" because that's what you believe but it's simply not true.
Juwan Taylor for about 2.5 years now, everyone watching at home can see this Cheifs' Tackle get off the line prior to the snap...and he needs to obviously but it's not legal.
People that post about this are not Chiefs' haters or "crazy"

-If we are going to have a rationale conversation, great but if it's just all rolled up as Cheifs' hate, very short sighted and obtuse on this issue.

But I felt the Chiefs did win the game fairly and Lamar Jackson showed at the end why he's Lamar Jackson and why Mahomes is Mahomes.
Don't shoot at MoP, just keeping it real. The illegal formation calls stopped the flow of the game and then salt in the wound is Taylor starting early before the snap

call it what you want and put makeup on the pig....but it's still a pig....you'd be obtuse and short sighted not to admit that chiefs hate is in fact a very real thing....

 

[Stinkin Ref]

chiefs could beat a middle school team and people would find a reason why the middle school team got screwed....fact

 

[The Duff Man]

It happens in every sport, with the good players and teams, and in reverse with the bad ones.

All star pitchers get more corner of the zone calls than their peers. Enforcers in hockey get more penalties called on them for the same behaviour than their peers. Fouls in basketball, the list goes on. Anything that is a subjective call is victim to this happening.

The question is….so what? Some refs are way worse at this than others (there is data out there) but other than that they are all human.

Which is why the NFL is for entertainment purposes only

 

[Stinkin Ref]

chiefs hate is awesome....adults get a forum to bring out their inner crybaby....

And you whining even when your team wins

where exactly was I whining about anything

 

[Stinkin Ref]

The no flag on Spags is the most blatant. Everyone just laughed that off??

Hiding it in plain sight, it seems.

its not a penalty....ref just shouldn't have granted it...

It says in the link above it can be a penalty

technically it is only supposed to be the head coach or one of the designated "captains that is on the field"....which as far as the captains thing goes, could very well not be possible....there is also a part of the rule that allows for "official's discretion"....which basically is a grey area that can cover almost everything....apparently what I heard is that there was another official who acknowledged Reid also calling the timeout at about the same time....we just weren't shown that and the focus was on Spags and the official that called it because of him....(which he could do because of the grey area)...but ultimately the ref that called it because of spags should have ignored it and not granted the timeout....although because of the "official's discretion" part of it he could be covered...

 

[Ministry of Pain]

chiefs hate is awesome....adults get a forum to bring out their inner crybaby....

It's not Chiefs hate, I'm a big fan of Mahomes and Reid,
Let's not mince words or just throw shade or a blanket over what is an obvious issue and clear visual problem to everyone watching at home
That includes just blowing off people posting with "Chiefs Hate" because that's what you believe but it's simply not true.
Juwan Taylor for about 2.5 years now, everyone watching at home can see this Cheifs' Tackle get off the line prior to the snap...and he needs to obviously but it's not legal.
People that post about this are not Chiefs' haters or "crazy"

-If we are going to have a rationale conversation, great but if it's just all rolled up as Cheifs' hate, very short sighted and obtuse on this issue.

But I felt the Chiefs did win the game fairly and Lamar Jackson showed at the end why he's Lamar Jackson and why Mahomes is Mahomes.
Don't shoot at MoP, just keeping it real. The illegal formation calls stopped the flow of the game and then salt in the wound is Taylor starting early before the snap

call it what you want and put makeup on the pig....but it's still a pig....you'd be obtuse and short sighted not to admit that chiefs hate is in fact a very real thing....

Nobody is putting anything on a pig, have no idea what you are referring to
All the media shows and social media platforms today pretty much throw roses at the Chiefs
Never read a report that talks about Reid and the Cheifs the way the Patriots' hate was for 2 decades but they were proven cheaters and I think deserved it

I have no idea what this Chiefs hate thing is, sounds made up to be honest
Even when a poster(me) posts not a Chiefs hater, you still come across uber defensive, why?
If anything you yourself are stoking those flames,(Chiefs' Hate) I don't see the problem with people asking questions and wanting to know why Taylor is never called

I even posted that I felt in the end the game was won/lost by LJax and the Cheifs' D
Obviously that fell on deaf ears, nobody is trying to take back the Lombardi Trophies
I didn't say the Chiefs cheated or were not deserving last night, but there is an obvious issue with Taylor

I'm disappointed because I don't think of you in this way even a team you root for
This sort of sounds like when a group of people start asking questions of another group and are labeled as "Anti-Blanks"

Cheers!

BTW: To the larger audience there is a LOT MORE going on than just this issue, I want to be clear about that, enough with the rule changes and rule reminders and rule emphasis
I just want to go back to enjoying football, it's gotten so complicated we must have a retired referee in the booth to explain things that many times only make the situation feel worse.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

OL blatant false starts
Spaggs calling timeout instead of Reid, and no penalty?

Meanwhile,
Baltimore OL called for 187 penalties for not being close enough to the line.
Def called for a ridiculous roughing the passer call

It really looks sooooo obvious that the refs are still showing preference to KC.

I thought we discussed some of this last night
I believe anyone can call timeout including the players on the field
I don't see the issue with Spags running down the sidelines calling timeout, he's Head Coach 1-B on that team

 

[B Maverick]

I think as sports fans we all just want consistency in the calls. Or at least the perception of it. And showing someone that the fouls were called 8-6 isn't going to help.

Watching each team's first drive and seeing the Raven's oline in a straight line and getting called for illegal formation. Then watching the Chiefs oline still in their V-ish looking formation and nothing is called. To the neutral and Ravens fan (or Chiefs haters), it does not seem to be consistent. How can the Ravens be called when they are all level but the Chiefs are not when they are clearly not level?

 

[encaitar]

chiefs could beat a middle school team and people would find a reason why the middle school team got screwed....fact

If the Chiefs played a middle school team and the middle school team was called for penalties that the Chiefs weren't called for despite being just as, if not more, guilty of them... then people would be right to say they got screwed.

No one's saying the Chiefs aren't a great team. Hell, only an idiot would say that. That's actually what makes people upset. The Chiefs are already the best team in the league. Seeing them get an unfair advantage from the refs alongside that is a little bit infuriating. I'm saying that as a fan of neither team that played last night.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Here is another one I'd like to see discussed since the NFL can make technology remove some of the fun in the games, everyone thought Likely caught the ball but they use zoom enhancement to show the toe was a little over/on the line...OK

-Since we're not gonna go ALL the WAY with technology on downs, distance, spots of the ball throughout the football game, we're not putting chips on everyone so we can see more clearly who is committing this and that penalty...but if we aren't gonna do all that then you can't have this magic zoom in replay on the last play of the game when the team is already announcing it's going for 2 points.

How come the other 96 plays are treated so differently? Believe me, I understand why they do it this way but they aren't doing any service the NFL fan sitting at home that doesn't root for either of these 2 teams.

 

[Spin]

That Chiefs right tackle false starting on every passing play and the refs fixation with the Ravens OL, is very telling for sure.

I don't know if it was or wasn't, but this is probably like the Lane Johnson thing everyone was complaining about last year - in real time it looks like he's constantly false starting but the way it's officiated this isn't actually a false start. I forget the exact specifics but essentially he's allowed to kick back his foot before the snap. It looks like he's moving before the snap (because he is) but that specific movement is allowed.

Players in a two-point stance are allowed to adjust their back foot before the snap. As long as his backfoot is still in the air while the ball is being snapped, it's just considered "an adjustment".

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At least according to this youtube video which seems to be accurate based on how it's called.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

chiefs hate is awesome....adults get a forum to bring out their inner crybaby....

It's not Chiefs hate, I'm a big fan of Mahomes and Reid,
Let's not mince words or just throw shade or a blanket over what is an obvious issue and clear visual problem to everyone watching at home
That includes just blowing off people posting with "Chiefs Hate" because that's what you believe but it's simply not true.
Juwan Taylor for about 2.5 years now, everyone watching at home can see this Cheifs' Tackle get off the line prior to the snap...and he needs to obviously but it's not legal.
People that post about this are not Chiefs' haters or "crazy"

-If we are going to have a rationale conversation, great but if it's just all rolled up as Cheifs' hate, very short sighted and obtuse on this issue.

But I felt the Chiefs did win the game fairly and Lamar Jackson showed at the end why he's Lamar Jackson and why Mahomes is Mahomes.
Don't shoot at MoP, just keeping it real. The illegal formation calls stopped the flow of the game and then salt in the wound is Taylor starting early before the snap

call it what you want and put makeup on the pig....but it's still a pig....you'd be obtuse and short sighted not to admit that chiefs hate is in fact a very real thing....

Nobody is putting anything on a pig, have no idea what you are referring to
All the media shows and social media platforms today pretty much throw roses at the Chiefs
Never read a report that talked about Reid and the Cheifs the way the Patriots' hate was for 2 decades but they were proven cheaters and I think deserved it

I have no idea what this Chiefs hate thing is, sounds made up to be honest
Even when a poster(me) posts not a Chiefs hater, you still come across uber defensive, why?
If anything you yourself are stoking those flames,(Cheifs' Hate) I don't see the problem with people asking questions and wanting to know why Taylor is never called

I even posted that I felt in the end the game was won/lost by LJax and the Cheifs' D
Obviously that fell on deaf ears, nobody is trying to take back the Lombardi Trophies
I didn't say the Chiefs cheated or were not deserving last night, but there is an obvious issue with Taylor

I'm disappointed because I don't think of you in this way even a team you root for
This sort of sounds like when a group of people start asking questions of another group and are labeled as "Anti-Blanks"

Cheers!

BTW: To the larger audience there is a LOT MORE going on than just this issue, I want to be clear about that, enough with the rule changes and rule reminders and rule emphasis
I just want to go back to enjoying football, it's gotten so complicated we must have a retired referee in the booth to explain things that many times only make the situation feel worse.

its because of statements like the bolded...completely false....Taylor was the most penalized player in the league last year...

 

[IvanKaramazov]

chiefs could beat a middle school team and people would find a reason why the middle school team got screwed....fact

I don't think you guys play the Patriots this year.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

It happens in every sport, with the good players and teams, and in reverse with the bad ones.

All star pitchers get more corner of the zone calls than their peers. Enforcers in hockey get more penalties called on them for the same behaviour than their peers. Fouls in basketball, the list goes on. Anything that is a subjective call is victim to this happening.

The question is….so what? Some refs are way worse at this than others (there is data out there) but other than that they are all human.

Which is why the NFL is for entertainment purposes only

I mean, it doesn't bother me in the slightest to notice that Josh Allen gets some roughing calls that the Sam Darnolds of the world wouldn't get. That's just how sports are. My team was on the losing end of those sorts of calls for a long time, so I'm not going to feel bad about it now.

(I still think about how Milano basically chopped Mike White in half and didn't get flagged for it. In slow motion, it was clearly a legal hit, but we all know that that play draws a flag about 99% of the time. If that were Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers, Milano probably gets ejected and I'm only halfway kidding.)

 

[Scooby1974]

OL blatant false starts
Spaggs calling timeout instead of Reid, and no penalty?

Meanwhile,
Baltimore OL called for 187 penalties for not being close enough to the line.
Def called for a ridiculous roughing the passer call

It really looks sooooo obvious that the refs are still showing preference to KC.

The worst is the Superbowls they have won...

They were the 6th most penalized team last year, and had the most offensive holding calls last year during the regular season, but somehow in the playoffs the "Chiefs consistently had fewer penalties than their opponents throughout the playoffs.", and didn't have any offensive holding calls in the superbowl. They have never once had a single holding call against them in the 3 straight superbowls.

I am a panthers fan btw...

Yessssssss, THIS! And don't give us "we just let them play", either. There has been a very distinct advantage.