Cooks - Up/neutral - Can't see him getting less Targets than he did in NO. I can see the same or more but not less. The Pat's didn't trade all that for him not to use him.What does this do to fantasy values of Patriots and Saints?
Cooks- up?
Brady- up
Brees- down
Thomas- up
Edelman- down
Gronk- ?
Lots of targets though and Brady is still going to hit him on 3-5 long TD's........All he was missing in NO was the targets........Not saying he's going to get them in NE but it's in the range of possible outcomes that they target him heavily.......Cooks is better than Welker and can run the patented New England bubble screen and short slant.
I think he's going to thrive and be the primary WR but he's never been a goal line threat so Gronk is going to clean up inside the red zone.
Ginn should keep a safety back, which will help. He's no cooks obviously but he keeps defenses honest.Thomas- up, more targets, more number 1 coverage but should be positive net effect
This. They look really dumb if he is like 4th in targets and used as a Decoy like half the season. Most of my leaguemates act like that is the case. So in my 16 tm dyn PPR he is my WR1 (I have not much behind him.) So whoever owns Cooks in Dyn PPR I don't think you will get fair market value for him.Cooks - Up/neutral - Can't see him getting less Targets than he did in NO. I can see the same or more but not less. The Pat's didn't trade all that for him not to use him.
Brady- Up - Another elite weapon.
Brees- Down - Loses his best WR and he's getting a little older.
Thomas- Down - He will be exposed being the focal point of defenses.
Edelman- down - Less targets
Gronk- neutral - He is still the #1 option but he gets hurt a lot........
Good teams don't use great WR like Cooks as decoys. That's what teams that miss the playoffs every year do.This. They look really dumb if he is like 4th in targets and used as a Decoy like half the season. Most of my leaguemates act like that is the case. So in my 16 tm dyn PPR he is my WR1 (I have not much behind him.) So whoever owns Cooks in Dyn PPR I don't think you will get fair market value for him.
I think he'll be less volatile but he will have several 3/30 weeks, followed up by the 7/`130 and 2 td games. Just who he is.This. They look really dumb if he is like 4th in targets and used as a Decoy like half the season. Most of my leaguemates act like that is the case. So in my 16 tm dyn PPR he is my WR1 (I have not much behind him.) So whoever owns Cooks in Dyn PPR I don't think you will get fair market value for him.
You say he'll be less volatile and then immediately contradict that statement by implying he'll be extremely volatile. I'm just a little confused... which is it?I think he'll be less volatile but he will have several 3/30 weeks, followed up by the 7/`130 and 2 td games. Just who he is.
Snead way up, not so sure about Fleener.Snead and Fleener up, at least pre-draft
hmmmmm his last 5 games weren't all that great last season. Well the Arizona game was great but everybody was torching AZ through the air at that point. He's a little older plus he's losing a very important WR in Cooks. I'm not saying he's going to fall off the face of the earth but yeah he's not going to have as good of a year as he just had. That's probably a safe bet actually.Where is all this Brees down coming from? This will not affect Brees one bit, he will get his usual 4800-5000 yards, 35TD's.
I'd be more concerned that he would fall off because of aging than Cooks leaving. In Stills' last season with the Saints, he had 63 receptions on 85 targets for 931 yards. Ginn has averaged 49 rec for 746 yards over the last two years with Cam. I think Ginn will fall somewhere between his average with Carolina and Stills' last season. I'd look for whoever steps into the primary receiving RB role to pick up the rest.hmmmmm his last 5 games weren't all that great last season. Well the Arizona game was great but everybody was torching AZ through the air at that point. He's a little older plus he's losing a very important WR in Cooks. I'm not saying he's going to fall off the face of the earth but yeah he's not going to have as good of a year as he just had. That's probably a safe bet actually.
What about a trade w CLE and NE jumps back in the 1st? Pause value on Lewis until the dust clears.Slight bump to Dion Lewis. No #32 means no possibility of McCaffrey.
Dont see a lot of difference in targets between Snead, Thomas, Fleener and Mitchell, Gronk and Edelman. Former had 308 last year, latter 244. Prorate Gronk over 16 games and the Pats are still at 282. Last year of Edelmans contract and hes 31. He was the target hog last year with 158. Pats went after Cooks hard. Gotta think theyre going to revamp their offense a bit to fit him. Not gonna be hard to beat the 117 targets he got in New Orleans.I see a lot of driven opinions based on how they hope it effects their fantasy team. Everyone on the Pats has taken a value hit, even Cooks, Edelman and Gronk somewhat. People think Cooks value goes up from 250 points in standard PPR? He got 78/1173/8... but that is going to go up with 37 other mouths to feed? The QB is the same level so its not like he is getting a huge extra bump. This is my problem with the fantasy community, they talk on hopes and dreams instead of reality and logic...destroys value assessment. Edelman may see fewer targets, I'm not so sure when no matter who they get, his value stays consistent in his production barring injury. His line was 98/1106/3 may be lower but not by much. I have heard for years, Edelman will take a hit... he just never does. Boston guy above didnt even mention the guy coming off of a 98 catch season in his post of all NE options. I do agree Gronk will play less to keep him healthy. Amendola will be cut, one would think.
Brees Down? Guy makes the players, the players do not make him. Graham left, how did Brees do? Colston left, how did Brees do? Bush left, how did Brees do? Guy hasnt had less than 33 total TDs since 2007. Has only thrown lower than 4600 yards once since that time and that year he threw for 4300. lol Brees takes a value hit though, huh? In my eyes, you lose any credibility on your football opinion by saying such things. Logic and reality, not hopes and dreams.
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What if Brady retires tomorrow? Pause value on Cooks until the dust clears.What about a trade w CLE and NE jumps back in the 1st? Pause value on Lewis until the dust clears.
I think you're right about Snead but would not be the least bit surprised if the saints draft a receiver who takes a lot of targets.I like Thomas, but Snead the guy with the most upside from this move.
Thomas taking #1 CBs, Snead will be the go-to... He's actually one of the more underrated WRs in the league, imo
If they can get value, sure. Otherwise I think they draft their hammer later in the draft, at least a few guys who work for the pats will drop into the mid rounds, they don't need an elite talent. Personally I'm watching Brian hill.What about Peterson, Charles, Lacy or Murray. They are still out there and NE needs a hammer.
You guys don't think Blount can handle the load? He looked really good last year.If they can get value, sure. Otherwise I think they draft their hammer later in the draft, at least a few guys who work for the pats will drop into the mid rounds, they don't need an elite talent. Personally I'm watching Brian hill.
I actually have a history of great calls in respect to WRs, especially young ones/rookies.Snead is kinda like Josh Gordon huh?
As a Snead owner, I am now going to trade him because you said this and look into acquiring Thomas before he explodes.
Soulfly is like that bad luck guy from Bronx Tale who slips my mind right now. Probably because I was excited about Snead before I read that, now I am flustered. Ha!
???I get it, this is the new Trump schtick people are using to validate themselves regardless of facts.
How many time has Blount been a free agent? I lost count, but it's been multiple times. He never got offered much money and has never in demand. That is going to change all of a sudden? I am guessing the market will again be soft for a one trick poney that can't catch and is on the front side of 30. The Pats won't give him much money, but neither will anyone else.WheelsUp said:Blount can clearly handle the load, but he has a SB and his career is almost over. He may want the money the Patriots are not willing to give.
This...the only thing I'm worried about with Brees is his age.If Brees drops off, it will be because of age, not because he lost Cooks. Brees has been great his whole NO career despite never really having a stud WR.
Just like the Saints offense won't really change Brees' numbers as long as he's there, I don't thing the Pats offense reconfigured and added together changes much. NE always has a potent offense and plays with the lead a ton. So they went from scoring 30-odd points to scoring 30-odd points. Not much difference. People have a tendency to want to just layer on more and more production, but in reality things just get moved around and redistributed with only a slight bump. I don't think Brady's numbers go up. Maybe they score a little faster or score earlier in games . . . I think it just means they go into clock burning mode earlier in games. Maybe a couple more TDs with Gronk back and Cooks getting behind the defense, but nothing major.Pats D could be up...with Cooks and Gronk in the fold the Pats O should be putting up big points meaning opposing offenses are probably gone have to force things which means the potential for more turnovers and sacks...
Gonna have agree to disagree here (and I do understand your logic)...this offense (on paper) has a chance to be in that 2007 ballpark (especially if Gronk stays healthy) ...Brady has a group of weapons like he never has and I have zero doubts that BB will try to put up as many points as possible regardless of the score...also, let's remember...the whole line is intact and they have debatable the best OC in the NFL back...this offense is just loaded and they will still be adding in another piece or two...Just like the Saints offense won't really change Brees' numbers as long as he's there, I don't thing the Pats offense reconfigured and added together changes much. NE always has a potent offense and plays with the lead a ton. So they went from scoring 30-odd points to scoring 30-odd points. Not much difference. People have a tendency to want to just layer on more and more production, but in reality things just get moved around and redistributed with only a slight bump. I don't think Brady's numbers go up. Maybe they score a little faster or score earlier in games . . . I think it just means they go into clock burning mode earlier in games. Maybe a couple more TDs with Gronk back and Cooks getting behind the defense, but nothing major.
Similar to the NBA. Put 4 guys that average 25 ppg on the same team and they won't average anywhere near 100 points playing together.
Plus we are still a long way from opening day . . . who knows who will be on the Opening Day roster. If they lose Hightower and move on from Butler, the defense could be weakened. There still is a ton of free agency, the draft, more trades (as if they haven't done enough in that area already), potential cap hits, etc.