Corona Virus Serious Level - 3.6.20 (1 Viewer)

[The Future Champs]

Going on unemployment today.   Only other time I’ve done that was when I was laid off in the Great Recession.  I think this is going to be be much uglier than most of you expect.

 

[TheIronSheik]

2

I believe the fear that it causes will be WAY more harmful than the actual virus.  

C19 will go the way of Monkey Pox, Swine Flu, Mad Cow, Bird Flu, SARS, MERS, Ebola and all of the other diseases that pop up, cause the world to panic, then fade into Bolivian.  

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Anybody voting less than a 7 just isn’t paying attention to the trouble this is causing the markets, the economy and school systems. Any votes for 1-5 are completely preposterous. 

I didn’t account for economic impact initially, just perceived impact on my daily life.  This could have an affect on my year end bonus so I’m willing to bump it up to a 3

 

[Skipdog77]

2

I believe the fear that it causes will be WAY more harmful than the actual virus.  

C19 will go the way of Monkey Pox, Swine Flu, Mad Cow, Bird Flu, SARS, MERS, Ebola and all of the other diseases that pop up, cause the world to panic, then fade into Bolivian.  

Why do you hate South America?

 

[GroveDiesel]

I voted 7 based largely on the impact I think this is eventually going to have on society in non-health ways. We’ve already seen impacts to supply chains, production, etc. As it spreads here (and it will), shutting down commerce, social events, sporting events, etc will have huge impacts that may last for a really long time. 

One of the things that really concerns me is the level of panic that may hit as it spreads. We’re already seeing runs on supplies and as stuff runs out, people may panic more and more and we could see some really awful effects from that alone. Australia already had a case of someone pulling a knife on someone in a grocery store over toilet paper. Hopefully people will pull together rather than see society begin to tear itself apart if things get bad.

 

[Hawks64]

AMA with Dr. John Torres, medical correspondent for NBC News who practices emergency medicine, and I'm joined by Dr. Joseph Fair, a virologist, epidemiologist and global outbreak responder. We’re here to discuss the new COVID-19 coronavirus outbreak. It's over but has some good info.

 

[belljr]

Five of the 20 residents remain sequestered in Burlington County, and are continuing to follow the CDC’s recommended 14-day home quarantine, he said. The other 15 have cleared the protocol and are no longer isolated.

Well since this is where I live....

My number just spiked....

 

[belljr]

2

I believe the fear that it causes will be WAY more harmful than the actual virus.  

C19 will go the way of Monkey Pox, Swine Flu, Mad Cow, Bird Flu, SARS, MERS, Ebola and all of the other diseases that pop up, cause the world to panic, then fade into Bolivian.  

This is how I originally felt but I don't recall those being "everywhere"

 

[jrt103]

For you and where you live

Zero

 

[bostonfred]

One of the biggest events of my lifetime was 9/11. It temporarily disrupted air travel (i was on a plane for work later that September), permanently changed people's behaviors (like people attending web classes instead of flying to our offices, which is now commonplace), the stock market got hammered, and most important,  a significant number of people - thousands, not millions - died.  

In even optimistic scenarios, this is trending towards being worse in every way. 

If it's true that people can get reinfected after having this, and that it's actually more deadly after reinfection... this could be the big one. 

 

[fred_1_15301]

One of the biggest events of my lifetime was 9/11. It temporarily disrupted air travel (i was on a plane for work later that September), permanently changed people's behaviors (like people attending web classes instead of flying to our offices, which is now commonplace), the stock market got hammered, and most important,  a significant number of people - thousands, not millions - died.  

In even optimistic scenarios, this is trending towards being worse in every way. 

If it's true that people can get reinfected after having this, and that it's actually more deadly after reinfection... this could be the big one. 

Welp we know what you voted.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

So there are 44 people in this forum that think that a disease has already killed at least thousands of people (and most likely tens of thousands of people), had shut down all of China for over a month until Marshall law like quarantines were implemented, has completely destroyed much of the travel sector, has created economic and supply chain turmoil to a 13% global loss in economic markets in basically two weeks, is crippling Italy, and with growing case counts in the US is somewhere between a 1-3 on a seriousness scale out of 10.   There are lots of things that will never make sense to me—and this is one of them.   

 

[snellman]

So there are 44 people in this forum that think that a disease has already killed at least thousands of people (and most likely tens of thousands of people), had shut down all of China for over a month until Marshall law like quarantines were implemented, has completely destroyed much of the travel sector, has created economic and supply chain turmoil to a 13% global loss in economic markets in basically two weeks, is crippling Italy, and with growing case counts in the US is somewhere between a 1-3 on a seriousness scale out of 10.   There are lots of things that will never make sense to me—and this is one of them.   

I voted a 1 based on the question, for me and where I live.  

I think this is being way overblown. It is basically a virus, much like the flu. If you are a person in normal to good health, you may catch it, but you probably will not die from it.  The biggest group at risk are the elderly and people in poor health.  I have never had a flu shot nor would I get a vaccine for this if and when it becomes available.  

On an economical impact, it will have a larger effect, but that will be nationwide.  Consumer goods, parts for electronics, automotive parts (I am in the automotive business). A vast majority of these come from China, so this happening in China has a larger effect than it happening in our country.

 

[shadyridr]

So there are 44 people in this forum that think that a disease has already killed at least thousands of people (and most likely tens of thousands of people), had shut down all of China for over a month until Marshall law like quarantines were implemented, has completely destroyed much of the travel sector, has created economic and supply chain turmoil to a 13% global loss in economic markets in basically two weeks, is crippling Italy, and with growing case counts in the US is somewhere between a 1-3 on a seriousness scale out of 10.   There are lots of things that will never make sense to me—and this is one of them.   

Diseases kill people every day. Majority of humanity will survive

 

[CGRdrJoe]

I’m in the Bay Area and this morning I woke up with a sore throat, runny nose and phlegm cough. I worked from home today and am currently not running a fever but I’m a but paranoid that it could be the virus or the flu. Teleworking one day isn’t a big deal but 2 weeks? This would be a major inconvenience if it ends up being more than a 48 hour bug. 

 

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 Do what now? 
 

I voted 7. I think it's going to be a major inconvenience and 6 figures of people will die, but It'll blow over. 
 

@Joe Bryant I'm already doing weekly CoronaVirus surveys kinda like this but a bit more detailed. If you want two weekly CoronaVirus surveys in the FFA, that's totally cool. Rad even.  I just thought I'd let ya know in case ya missed it. 
 

YIC 

 

[seahawk 17]

I voted six. However, as my workplace continues to panic and I see the virus creep closer to my state it gets more stressful. I am not concerned about my family catching it and dying due to current health and age, but my overall anxiety worsens every few days.

 

[JoeSteeler]

Voted 5 but that may change in the next couple days or weeks

 

[-OZ-]

Serious enough to impact the office.

We have subordinate offices in Korea, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Italy, and many other locations being impacted.  The supply chain issue is legitimate for many of our team members. 

Markets are impacted but will bounce back, so that barely counts IMO unless you're fearful or trying to time things. 

We haven't heard of any outbreaks here yet but that's probably just a matter of time. 

Our daughter is still considered immune compromised, so we're extra careful with her (and have been for the last year)

 

[Otis]

I’d be curious to see a poll on whether/when people are going to seek out extra food and supplies. Seems crazy to me, but then again once most people are going out and doing it, there really will be shortages. So it’s a question of figuring out when we are hitting that tipping point when your average person (non prepper) is heading out to start doing that kind of thing.  If ever. 

 

[JaxBill]

Anybody voting less than a 7 just isn’t paying attention to the trouble this is causing the markets, the economy and school systems. Any votes for 1-5 are completely preposterous. 

Well the question was local so I said 4 but that could easily ramp up to a 7 or 8 by next week.  We haven't seen any school closings locally.  i havent seen any of the panic or hoarding that goes on pre Hurricane either. A lot of talk and contingencies but not a lot of direct fallout .... yet.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

2

 

[shader]

The virus is going to have an impact on supply chains and GDPs.  I personally think that is overblown and a lot of the fear is propped up by the media wanting to play this up and get ratings.

The mortality rate is high, lets freak out --- but yet we haven't really been testing it so the number of cases in the denominator is significantly understated.

The number of cases grows every day, lets freak out -- but that is perpetuated by the fact we are finally testing...and this is quickly dropping the mortality rate...which way do you want it?  

My guess is there are millions of people infected, but it just doesnt move the needle in terms of concern beyond taking a day off of work or not feeling great.  Yes, for the elderly, this can be deadly, just like any virus.  The fact that it is new, makes it that much worse and causes fear and panic.  I get all of that, and I understand the concern for those that are older and have parents that are in the high risk zone.

Our spring break is planned for Disney in 2 weeks.  This is the first time going with our 6 and 7 year olds and we currently still plan to go  (may be forced not to, but that is not my decision).  The reality of the low rates of incidents for kids (and really anyone under 40/50), confirms this decision to go in our opinion.  My wife is an NP at a pediatrics office, which I suppose is relevant.

ETA - I feel it should be a 2 or 3, but we are likely in the 7 or 8 category nationwide.  In Ohio, we are probably a 4 or 5.

I have a buddy who thinks there are millions infected.  That’s just not possible 

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The virus itself? About a three.

Our collective freak out? About a nine.

So let's call it a 6.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Redo of this poll in early May should be interesting.

 

[Joe Bryant]

@Joe Bryant I'm already doing weekly CoronaVirus surveys kinda like this but a bit more detailed. If you want two weekly CoronaVirus surveys in the FFA, that's totally cool. Rad even.  I just thought I'd let ya know in case ya missed it. 
 

Thanks GB. 

 

[Joe Bryant]

Also. Just a reminder to please keep the discussion more on why you think what you think and not why other people are stupid who don't think what you think. Thanks. 

 

[Bossman]

Attempted to buy hand sanitizer at my CVS a few days ago. Sold out.

So looked for it at the giant grocery store. Shelf was empty. 

I found 3 bottles hidden way back behind the hand soap.

I'm curious how people can protect their family from this. 

A few posts above, poster says his daughter is immune compromised and their being careful with her...

but you still go to work, the store, the bank, etc ... interact with potentially infected people, then come home to her.

How can you protect her if you're not protecting yourself? I don't see how this is possible unless you just don't leave the house.

I own a small business with customers coming and going all day long ... and I'm seriously considering closing the store at some point

for the safety of my employees and my own family.

ETA: Northeast US // Voted 8 .... (Very serious. I know it won't kill me but will kill many ... is still going to suck having it)

 

[prosopis]

If that’s true then why are so many sophisticated corporations and world governments seemingly freaking out?  They just getting it wrong?  Buying into groupthink?

I don't know the answer to this but they do seem to cry wolf every few years. See H1N1,swine flu, avian flu etc.... which is why I don't take it to seriously. Some of this may have to do with the mass communication we have now. If you go back into the past some of these scares were real- smallpox, measles,polio

I suppose it could be a group think thig?

 

[prosopis]

Anybody voting less than a 7 just isn’t paying attention to the trouble this is causing the markets, the economy and school systems. Any votes for 1-5 are completely preposterous. 

I voted three. I base that on the inconvenience of people buying all the TP and water at Costoc. I also work in the health field and it is getting to be a PIA to get supplies like masks and sanitizers we use in the ORs. 

 

[DallasDMac]

i dont watch any news

Might want to consider a new moniker then.

 

[JaxBill]

i went to volunteer training for next weekend's Players Championship ("PGATour Fifth Major"). I'm working Admissions where I'll be in contact with thousands of people frim around the world.Their advice for Coronavirus:

Don't touch the other person's phone when you scan the ticket.

We'll have hand sanitizer available 

That's it.

 

[belljr]

i went to volunteer training for next weekend's Players Championship ("PGATour Fifth Major"). I'm working Admissions where I'll be in contact with thousands of people frim around the world.Their advice for Coronavirus:

Don't touch the other person's phone when you scan the ticket.

We'll have hand sanitizer available 

That's it.

Say hi to my dad

 

[Dezbelief]

Voted 3 currently, with the hope the virus itself isn't going to run rampant through my hometown. If it hits I will likely be in contact with infected people who may or may not know they have it. In that case I will personally feel 10. 

 

[Kal El]

I rated a 4, because while it is contagious, it does what many diseases do, namely, hit harder among people with poorer immune systems. That said, it is definitely spreading faster and farther than SARS, swine flu, or bird flu did, and coupled with the idea put forth by the ignorant that vaccinations are dangerous, that could lead to a greater impact, especially among children.

 

[elbowrm]

I voted 7.  
 

at current rates of growth and hospitalization rates, we’re looking at a full blown failure of the US healthcare system in early May

 

[ShaqAttaq]

I’d be curious to see a poll on whether/when people are going to seek out extra food and supplies. Seems crazy to me, but then again once most people are going out and doing it, there really will be shortages. So it’s a question of figuring out when we are hitting that tipping point when your average person (non prepper) is heading out to start doing that kind of thing.  If ever. 

My wife bought a package of toilet paper at Costco just because of the stories of TP hoarding elsewhere 

 

[Mister CIA]

I'm not going to the gym for at least a month.

 

[TripItUp]

Voted 7.

If Italy, Iran and other countries that have had exposure prior to the US are any indication I think the financial repercussions will be real both for the US and the global economy.

As an actual health risk, a lot of people will die that normally would not have...perhaps on the order of millions, but hopefully not.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

If this turns out to be pretty inconsequential, I may never buy into any hysteria again in my life. 

However I do think there is more to this than what we are currently experiencing.  The word got out early and has been constant, if this is much ado about nothing, Im gonna be almost shocked.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Also. Just a reminder to please keep the discussion more on why you think what you think and not why other people are stupid who don't think what you think. Thanks. 

While I didn’t infer that anybody who didn’t think what I thought was stupid (it was more that I just didn’t understand them)—my post certainly was leaning towards what you are mentioning here.  I apologize—and I’m happy to edit it out if you prefer. 

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Diseases kill people every day. Majority of humanity will survive

I dont disagree—but that’s not the point here.  Armed conflict kills people every day—humanity moves on—but that doesn’t mean that september 11th. would register as a nothing burger on this type of scale either. For what it’s worth—I voted a 6.  I do think that this will pass—but I do think that far more people will be effected by this (directly or indirectly) on some sort of level (economically, humanitarily, delays in supply chain kind of stuff..etc).  With that said—I pray for the best but am preparing for something fairly moderate to significant (keep in mind that I’m from California). 

 

[Joe Bryant]

While I didn’t infer that anybody who didn’t think what I thought was stupid (it was more that I just didn’t understand them)—my post certainly was leaning towards what you are mentioning here.  I apologize—and I’m happy to edit it out if you prefer. 

No worries GB. I didn't have anyone in mind. Just a reminder. 

 

[RCon]

I suspect we're going to have school closures soon where I live.  Stores are already out of hand sanitizer, bleach, disinfectant, toilet paper, paper towels, etc.  You can't buy hand sanitizer on Amazon or Walmart.com.  The economic impact will be is already significant.

People are walking around town wearing masks.  People are refusing to shake hands.  The collective freak-out, whether you believe justified or not, already makes this a minimum of a 5, in my opinion.

Should this become truly serious (if it isn't already), I don't believe the US has the political and societal will to impose massive restrictions like other countries have, which could easily make the spread and impact much greater.

I voted 7 for now.

 

[bostonfred]

I’d be curious to see a poll on whether/when people are going to seek out extra food and supplies. Seems crazy to me, but then again once most people are going out and doing it, there really will be shortages. So it’s a question of figuring out when we are hitting that tipping point when your average person (non prepper) is heading out to start doing that kind of thing.  If ever. 

Went to the grocery store yesterday. The place was packed, even for a Saturday. People had carts full of packaged food and big packages of meat for the freezer.  Hand soap was almost completely sold out, no Clorox wipes, most cleaning supplies were gone.  Toilet paper was low and water was getting hit pretty hard. The average cart was overflowing. 

Then we went to a pool party and the place was busier than id ever seen it. Kids in the hot tub and pool, old people watching. Went to a bowling/arcade area, just as busy. 

So I think here in Massachusetts the general thought is that it's not happening here yet, but we should try to be prepared when it comes because worst case you just have extra mac and cheese in the house for a while.  

 

[Tool]

Attempted to buy hand sanitizer at my CVS a few days ago. Sold out.

So looked for it at the giant grocery store. Shelf was empty. 

I found 3 bottles hidden way back behind the hand soap.

I'm curious how people can protect their family from this. 

A few posts above, poster says his daughter is immune compromised and their being careful with her...

but you still go to work, the store, the bank, etc ... interact with potentially infected people, then come home to her.

How can you protect her if you're not protecting yourself? I don't see how this is possible unless you just don't leave the house.

I own a small business with customers coming and going all day long ... and I'm seriously considering closing the store at some point

for the safety of my employees and my own family.

ETA: Northeast US // Voted 8 .... (Very serious. I know it won't kill me but will kill many ... is still going to suck having it)

Googled hand sanitizer vs. soap, this is first article that came up (maybe can find some supporting hand sanitizer) and supports hand washing with soap as better option. 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/carolinekee/lets-settle-the-hand-sanitizer-versus-hand-washing-debate

 

[WDIK2]

Plenty of negatives about living in a small town.  This isn't one of them.  You wouldn't know anything was going on based on the stores.  I guess one was a little low on Clorox wipes, but they had more than enough store brand wipes.  Coworkers have sent pics of empty shelves at Costco in Omaha.

While I think my personal impact will be low with only minor job-related inconveniences,  I understand the economic impact will be felt by everyone.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Interesting development in F1 racing - they had already postponed the China race.  But now thy have banned spectators at the Bahrain Grand Prix.  The race will go on and be televised, but no fans will be allowed in.

 

[DallasDMac]

Glad to see the CDC is sending us some more infected folks off another cruise ship. Hey CDC, go #### yourself. How about sending them to their own home towns to deal with?

 

[Capella]

If this turns out to be pretty inconsequential, I may never buy into any hysteria again in my life. 

However I do think there is more to this than what we are currently experiencing.  The word got out early and has been constant, if this is much ado about nothing, Im gonna be almost shocked.

But what if the hysteria and people taking precautions is what prevents it from breaking out.