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I think they guarantee it's spread. Instead of everyone being rational and buying what they need, they panic and buy a four year supply of hand sanitizer, leaving 1/2 the folks with nothing. Nearly guarantees the spread will go unchecked and get them in the end.
I mean that part is kind of stupid but people in general staying home and being cleaner than most of these nasty folks usually are could go a long ways here.
Sorry but I did not.
Please drop the shtick. This is serious for a lot of people and there isn't much patience for other stuff.
Possible chicken or egg scenario but if this is bad as people think, I believe we will know. Not convinced that we are being all that careful yet, plenty of people in denial that we even have a problem.
H1N1 was much worse in the infection and fatality rate, as well as how quickly it spread and there wasn't a vaccine for a long time.
The "Unknown" factor.
as far as i understand it, it's that these viruses which jump from animal to human aren't well understood (though, better understood than previous iterations) so science isn't quite sure how to quickly respond... as they are (generally) with influenza.
So the actual virus itself is similar to the regular flu? The hysteria seems a little misplaced to me. It doesn't seem to be like the disease in Outbreak but the hysteria seems to be on that level. It is almost a self fulfilling issue (water and TP shortages for example). People think a big issue and do over the top actions causing issues because things cannot keep up.
Lack of Leadership
Again it is just the unknown right now. Seems many people might have had it without knowing and recovered fine. Others not so.
12,469/60,800,000 is a fatality rate of .021% for H1H1.mr. furley said:
"estimate" vs. reality so far.
"China is the origin of the virus and still accounts for over 80 percent of cases and deaths. But its cases peaked and began declining more than a month ago, according to data presented by the Canadian epidemiologist who spearheaded the World Health Organization’s coronavirus mission to China. Fewer than 200 new cases are reported daily, down from a peak of 4,000.
), the law states that epidemics tend to rise and fall in a roughly symmetrical pattern or bell-shaped curve. AIDS, SARS, Ebola — they all followed that pattern. So does seasonal flu each year."
Seems possible. Heard on the Daily NYTimes pod this morning that the US has tested ~6,000 people total thus far and South Korea has been testing ~10,000 PER DAY of late. Just seems odd/irresponsible that testing isn't being done on a much larger scale in the US.
we didn't get the tests delivered until this weekend, or so i heard on the news driving in today. apparently the first round of tests were invalid/contaminated. Who knows, but in reality
Not to mention those people who might have mild symptoms, and wouldn't think to get tested, but they remain carriers.
Fair enough. I don't get the logic of cutting the current estimate by like 98%, but you're right that it is an estimate and we don't know how things will play out.
And, if I am recalling correctly, SARS was the last named strain of coronavirusmr. furley said:
i always think back to Desert Storm 1 now whenever i hear estimated figures for something like this.
I said this early in the other thread—but I feel like it’s worth bringing up again. In any other outbreak—did China (a world superpower, and a country that put it’s economy ahead f everything) proactively and effectively shut themselves down for over a month? Do you think that it was just a hoax and an over-reaction that a country that always puts economics ahead of humanitarianism just randomly went to those lengths—or do you think that maybe it was really bad there? I choose to believe that things were really bad there and the numbers they released are utter garbage. The only way they got a handle on the situation is by instituting quarantines in major areas through authoritarianism that we could probably best describe as Marshall Law here in the states.
Not sure what you mean. I put the ends of the spectrum as essentially nothing on one end and WW3 on the other end. Those aren't my "own" parameters. Those are the ends of the spectrum for how serious people think this is.
Well I do need a beer run soon enough (given the impending worldwide quarantine). I think I know what beer I'm getting.
You described the low end of the spectrum as “not serious at all. Barely a blip that’ll be gone in a few days”. This was after the virus had already killed many people in China, was over a month old, and the economic ramifications were already starting to get felt. Your description of the low end of the spectrum really was invalid—and yet people still voted for it—which is exactly what I didn’t understand. Based on your description of “1”—literally nobody should have voted less than a 2 or 3. Thats my only point.
That's the entire point of a poll. I'm asking people what they think. Not what I think.
I totally get that you are asking what others think—but giving them options that we are well beyond effectively invalidates your own poll in my opinion. The “1” option should have read something like “serious enough to where lots of people have died, China has shut itself down for a month—but I don’t see it getting much worse than that”. My point is that your description of “1” implies a nothing-burger—when it’s already well beyond that. Based on the parameters of your poll—even standard flu season should register a 2-3–as that kills lots of people, has economic impacts, and effects our lives and lasts longer than just a few days. Anyhow—that’s just my 2 cents.
Thanks. We'll just disagree there. When I ask people a question trying to get their opinion, I try to be as open as possible and not lead them. Thanks for the feedback though as it's always good to hear other opinions.
I'm going to take a wild guess that you live somewhere that hasn't yet been directly affected. I bet if you lived in, say, Washington state, her reaction wouldn't have nearly as aloof.
No vaccine exists for any human coronavirus. This is completely unrelated to anti-vaxxers.
