Cotch (1 Viewer)

[noleinfrance]

He is my #3 WR. Is his value pretty much shot now or what?

 

[TitusIII]

It certainly isn't a good thing. Barring BEdwards or SHolmes having monster seasons and earning a big contract with someone else..the writing is on the wall. Just my opinion, but I think the other two wide-outs do possess more talent than JC, by a decent margin. Of course, JC does gets the most he can with what he has, but I do think the Jets see Sanchez tossing balls to BE and SH for the next 5 years.

 

[EBF]

Hard to say. He would be a nice Ward-like complement opposite Holmes.

I think Edwards is in greater peril since his contract will be up after this season.

 

[EBF]

It certainly isn't a good thing. Barring BEdwards or SHolmes having monster seasons and earning a big contract with someone else..the writing is on the wall. Just my opinion, but I think the other two wide-outs do possess more talent than JC, by a decent margin. Of course, JC does gets the most he can with what he has, but I do think the Jets see Sanchez tossing balls to BE and SH for the next 5 years.

"Talent" comes in many forms. Edwards is taller and faster than Cotchery, but that's only one part of the equation. If you want to talk about consistency catching the football, toughness, and hand-eye coordination then Cotchery has more "talent" than Edwards.

 

[TitusIII]

It certainly isn't a good thing. Barring BEdwards or SHolmes having monster seasons and earning a big contract with someone else..the writing is on the wall. Just my opinion, but I think the other two wide-outs do possess more talent than JC, by a decent margin. Of course, JC does gets the most he can with what he has, but I do think the Jets see Sanchez tossing balls to BE and SH for the next 5 years.

"Talent" comes in many forms. Edwards is taller and faster than Cotchery, but that's only one part of the equation. If you want to talk about consistency catching the football, toughness, and hand-eye coordination then Cotchery has more "talent" than Edwards.

I agree, Cotchery does all the little things to make up for the athleticism he lacks...nevertheless, I don't think those little things make him a better talent than the Holmes, or Edwards. Time will certainly tell, but I fully expect BE to shine in NY for quite some time...

 

[jurb26]

There is no way this is good for Cotch in the short term and I doubt it is in the long term as well. He is now bumped down to the 3rd best WR on the team and more than likely the 4th passing option behind Edwards, Holmes and Keller. Long term I think the best you can hope for is that he regains the value he had prior to yesterday as either Holmes or Edwards end up on new teams and he's back to his former role. That or he ends up on a new team in a similar role.

 

[munchkin]

It certainly isn't a good thing. Barring BEdwards or SHolmes having monster seasons and earning a big contract with someone else..the writing is on the wall. Just my opinion, but I think the other two wide-outs do possess more talent than JC, by a decent margin. Of course, JC does gets the most he can with what he has, but I do think the Jets see Sanchez tossing balls to BE and SH for the next 5 years.

"Talent" comes in many forms. Edwards is taller and faster than Cotchery, but that's only one part of the equation. If you want to talk about consistency catching the football, toughness, and hand-eye coordination then Cotchery has more "talent" than Edwards.

I agree, Cotchery does all the little things to make up for the athleticism he lacks...nevertheless, I don't think those little things make him a better talent than the Holmes, or Edwards. Time will certainly tell, but I fully expect BE to shine in NY for quite some time...

The thing is, you can trust Cotchery's talent, you can't trust Braylon's. Mr Edwards is going to be whining on the sidelines a lot this year.

 

[cr8f]

There is no way this is good for Cotch in the short term and I doubt it is in the long term as well. He is now bumped down to the 3rd best WR on the team and more than likely the 4th passing option behind Edwards, Holmes and Keller. Long term I think the best you can hope for is that he regains the value he had prior to yesterday as either Holmes or Edwards end up on new teams and he's back to his former role. That or he ends up on a new team in a similar role.

I don't agree. I see Holmes and Edwards competing for the #2. Is Leon washington involved? No way does Holmes for a 5th makes sense.

 

[Jason Wood]

Sometimes you just have to take a step back. The Jets are a run heavy team that now has a plethora of skill position weapons. The simple truth is that most weeks, Keller + Cotch + Edwards + Holmes (in Weeks 5-17) will be in someone's lineup and I'm not sure there are enough targets to go around. Now that said, we also have to acknowledge that as currently constituted I can't fathom how a combination of Greene + LT will approximate last year's rushing success, so the Jets may have to (by hook or by crook), open the offense up more in 2010. I haven't done my NYJ projections yet (thank goodness), but I suspect many of the players are going to be overvalued this year based on unrealistic expectations of an offensive explosion.

 

[Buckna]

He was looking like a nice undervalued buy until this trade. Now there will likely be too much competition for too few targets on this team to make him more than a spot starter. I don't think the trades for Holmes or BE are a reflection on Cotch though, he's a solid #2 when healthy.

I think the trade for Holmes is more about the NYJ being very opportunistic acquiring him for next to nothing and them having little faith in BE. No way they keep both Holmes & BE next year and they may not keep either, in either case Cotch could then regain some value down the line.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I agree, Cotchery does all the little things to make up for the athleticism he lacks...nevertheless, I don't think those little things make him a better talent than the Holmes, or Edwards. Time will certainly tell, but I fully expect BE to shine in NY for quite some time...

Really ?I view Braylon as a colossal bust.A WR who cannot catch the ball with consistancywill never "shine" in the NFL.

 

[Avery]

Would have it have been that much harder to make the thread title "Cotchery" so I wouldn't mistakenly read "Crotch" every time I look at this thread?

Would typing the "-ery" have taken that much of your time?

Thanks for next time.

 

[az_prof]

He was looking like a nice undervalued buy until this trade. Now there will likely be too much competition for too few targets on this team to make him more than a spot starter. I don't think the trades for Holmes or BE are a reflection on Cotch though, he's a solid #2 when healthy.I think the trade for Holmes is more about the NYJ being very opportunistic acquiring him for next to nothing and them having little faith in BE. No way they keep both Holmes & BE next year and they may not keep either, in either case Cotch could then regain some value down the line.

I am not so sure. If NY has so much faith in Edwards and if this was just an opportunistic acquisition, then why all the talk about Brandon Marshall earlier this off season? It seems like NY is not happy with the receiving options--either Cotchery or Edwards.

 

[munchkin]

He was looking like a nice undervalued buy until this trade. Now there will likely be too much competition for too few targets on this team to make him more than a spot starter. I don't think the trades for Holmes or BE are a reflection on Cotch though, he's a solid #2 when healthy.I think the trade for Holmes is more about the NYJ being very opportunistic acquiring him for next to nothing and them having little faith in BE. No way they keep both Holmes & BE next year and they may not keep either, in either case Cotch could then regain some value down the line.

I am not so sure. If NY has so much faith in Edwards and if this was just an opportunistic acquisition, then why all the talk about Brandon Marshall earlier this off season? It seems like NY is not happy with the receiving options--either Cotchery or Edwards.

Edwards and Cotchery are different receivers. Edwards was brought in to stretch the field. You aren't going to get that out of Cotchery but what you will get is a reliable receiver who will work for the tough yards. Cotchery is more Welker like; why wouldn't you want a Wes Welker on your team? Once Holmes is back from his suspension Edwards could be a dead man walking if he doesn't produce.

 

[mlball77]

As a Cotchery dyansty owner, I'm very concerned. I was already shopping him, and now will probably have to hold, as interest previous to the Holmes trade was minimal... and it's likely nonexistant now.

A run-first team with three WRs that are proven and a good receiving TE... I don't see this situation as particularly great for any of them in FF. Probably benefits Sanchez a little bit, while hurting BE, Cotch, Holmes and Keller all somewhat.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Cotch, What does the Holmes trade mean for him?

Access to better weed, is my guess.

 

[Bob Magaw]

There is no way this is good for Cotch in the short term and I doubt it is in the long term as well. He is now bumped down to the 3rd best WR on the team and more than likely the 4th passing option behind Edwards, Holmes and Keller. Long term I think the best you can hope for is that he regains the value he had prior to yesterday as either Holmes or Edwards end up on new teams and he's back to his former role. That or he ends up on a new team in a similar role.

this is how i see it...edwards and holmes have to be the starters in two WR sets, and cotchery in slot in three WR sets...as far as the future, it is important to discuss what is the future role of edwards and holmes...do we know they can't all co-exist?that would be highly unlikely under salary constraints, but what if 2011 and beyond is in context of a post-cap landscape...holmes has had a better career than edwards, but arguably no season as good edwards career year with 16 TDs...holmes was across from ward, edwards hasn't had somebody as good as ward (or holmes, for that matter) across from him... cotchery is solid, but not a star...if edwards can be more consistent, he does have the pedigree and physical ability to be outstanding...edwards did cost more than holmes... we shouldn't necessarily infer based on that, though, that it reflects some sense of how jets view their relative intrinsic value... it instead could speak to holmes being more troubled, and 5th all the market could bear...if edwards doesn't look good next year and holmes looks great, i could easily see jets jettisoning edwards and going with holmes & cotchery going forward...what if edwards and holmes both look very good? sanchez was a rookie and they kind of reigned him in last year... with edwards, holmes, cotchery and keller - maybe leon washington (if he isn't in holmes trade?)...if edwards fulfills his potential, he could be dominant (he has a lot of drops, but so has TO)... WITH holmes (and cotchery), that would seem to give them one of the best WR trios in the league (obviously not if edwards doesn't)...one reason i'm not certain it is automatic the jets will want to bank on holmes as lead in 2011, and will be so quick to part with edwards... is related to a reason that might give pause to the jets (or any team) in counting on holmes... can he be counted on? that is a BIG question mark. he is one puff of wacky tobacky away from a year-long vacation, courtesy of the substance program...how did other teams view him, THIS year... he could only command a 5th, when his actual value would have been far higher absent his massive character and off-field concerns (edwards has had issues, but to my knowledge he isn't in the program?)... supposedly the jets were burning up the phone, and approached a lot of teams except for, presumably, the AFC north rivals, yet a 5th was the best they could secure...will all the doubts evaporate in one year? i doubt it... he could always be a ticking time bomb... they could write into contract financial protection if he gets into trouble, but they can't protect against not having him for a year... so again, i'm not certain holmes is clearly the WR1 of the future, and edwards is destined to be with another team in 2011...acquiring holmes could reflect more on wanting to upgrade cotchery (he certainly is that, viewed from that lens), not edwards...a lot is still to unfold, play out and be determined THIS season... unless holmes has a problem gaining chemistry and rapport with sanchez, he is capable of a good season... but a lot is riding on edwards doing better ON the field, which is possible (remember, he didn't have an off-season to learn playbook, sanchez was a rookie on a team that had best running attack in the NFL)... also, on the jets impressions of the risk holmes poses OFF the field.IF edwards or holmes are destined to be moved by 2011, cotchery could easily be back to WR2...

 

[hostile]

I agree, Cotchery does all the little things to make up for the athleticism he lacks...nevertheless, I don't think those little things make him a better talent than the Holmes, or Edwards. Time will certainly tell, but I fully expect BE to shine in NY for quite some time...

Really ?I view Braylon as a colossal bust.A WR who cannot catch the ball with consistancywill never "shine" in the NFL.

 

[cstu]

I think it's highly unlikely that both Holmes and Edwards are re-signed, so Cotchery should be safe at least through 2011. I also see no reason why the Jets wouldn't want to re-sign him after his current contract is up 2011. Number-wise, this likely won't be a great year for him but he should be able to duplicate last year's numbers.

 

[Jason Wood]

We'll find out soon enough, but on NFL Network the guys were all talking about Cotchery being the WR3/slot guy as though it was a foregone conclusion. I would be surprised if he wasn't on the field for more snaps than Edwards, but I can certainly understand the other side of the argument.

 

[LBH]

It certainly isn't a good thing. Barring BEdwards or SHolmes having monster seasons and earning a big contract with someone else..the writing is on the wall. Just my opinion, but I think the other two wide-outs do possess more talent than JC, by a decent margin. Of course, JC does gets the most he can with what he has, but I do think the Jets see Sanchez tossing balls to BE and SH for the next 5 years.

"Talent" comes in many forms. Edwards is taller and faster than Cotchery, but that's only one part of the equation. If you want to talk about consistency catching the football, toughness, and hand-eye coordination then Cotchery has more "talent" than Edwards.