Coughlin/Cowher watch. (1 Viewer)

[pittstownkiller]

I know that there are other coaches threads going but I am only interested in this one: Coughlin/Cowher. I almost think that there is no way that Coughlin returns. Barring a Superbowl run, I just don't see how NYG gives a 64 year old coach a three year deal. I have heard some in the NY media say that Bill Cowher and The Mara family are close; I can't believe they would let him go while they dither on Coughlin. It is not generally the Giants way to have a coach with an expiring contract anyway. The wild card here is Cowher; His daughter goes to school in Carolina (still?), his wife passed away last summer, CAR has a head coaching opening, maybe he doesn't want to uproot the family or does the notoriously frugal NYG Org. low ball him. Does Cowher go to DAL, a team that he played for, and have Jones throw a boatload of money at him? Does he even want to coach this year? I think that Coughlin has been a good coach but he is on the verge of losing this team; he has been there before and managed to rebound. If he does leave and Cowher comes in, how does that play with existing personnel? Do they make a run at Plaxico or any current Steelers? What do you think?

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[Wilbur Wood]

#1 Cowher won't be in Dallas. JJ even intimated in recent interview that no coach has won a Super Bowl with 2 teams

#2 Absent the Giants lying down and getting blown out vs the Skins in Week 17, Coughlin returns in 2011 to coach the Giants. He still has 1 year left on his contract. The Giants may give him a courtesy ¡ year extention such that he's not a "lame duck". The Mara's make the coaching decisions. The last football act of Wellington Mara was to select Tom Coughlin to be the coach of the Giants over the objections of the GM and others in the organization.

Thus I see it very unlikely (Cowher for Coughlin)

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I think the carolina owner is too cheap to pay Cowher

 

[Reaper]

I think the Giants would be nuts to let Coughlin go..... Guy is a top Head Coach in the league and has everything in place... The Giants just had some bad luck but, if they hold on to that Philly game they are one of the favorites right now in the NFC...

They won 9 games, should easily be 10+....

I think with Coughlin and the type of players they have can take this season as a lesson for the offseason and come back healthier and hungrier and work on the little things and special teams...

IMO, you come back with that system in place for 1 more run at least and hope to up your wins to 12 and get some home field next year.

 

[Sweet Love]

I know that there are other coaches threads going but I am only interested in this one: Coughlin/Cowher. I almost think that there is no way that Coughlin returns. Barring a Superbowl run, I just don't see how NYG gives a 64 year old coach a three year deal. I have heard some in the NY media say that Bill Cowher and The Mara family are close; I can't believe they would let him go while they dither on Coughlin. It is not generally the Giants way to have a coach with an expiring contract anyway. The wild card here is Cowher; His daughter goes to school in Carolina (still?), his wife passed away last summer, CAR has a head coaching opening, maybe he doesn't want to uproot the family or does the notoriously frugal NYG Org. low ball him. Does Cowher go to DAL, a team that he played for, and have Jones throw a boatload of money at him? Does he even want to coach this year? I think that Coughlin has been a good coach but he is on the verge of losing this team; he has been there before and managed to rebound. If he does leave and Cowher comes in, how does that play with existing personnel? Do they make a run at Plaxico or any current Steelers? What do you think?

I agree with many of the other posters who seem to think that Coughlin deserves another year (and I think so too), so I doubt they boot Coughlin in the offseason. To answer your questions though, his daughter finished up school in raleigh and I believe she is at Princeton now, which WOULD lead me to believe if Coughlin is in fact let go, Cowher may take a discount to be in 2 hours driving ditance from door-to-door to her. He also has a couple of other girls, but I am not sure where they live.I always thought Carolina would be an option, but there is very little chatter about that here. Personally, I still think there is a chance he stays in TV, but who knows??

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I think the Giants would be nuts to let Coughlin go..... Guy is a top Head Coach in the league and has everything in place... The Giants just had some bad luck but, if they hold on to that Philly game they are one of the favorites right now in the NFC... They won 9 games, should easily be 10+....I think with Coughlin and the type of players they have can take this season as a lesson for the offseason and come back healthier and hungrier and work on the little things and special teams...IMO, you come back with that system in place for 1 more run at least and hope to up your wins to 12 and get some home field next year.

I'm not even sure why Coughlin's name seems to come up so often.

 

[Jason Wood]

I think the Giants would be nuts to let Coughlin go..... Guy is a top Head Coach in the league and has everything in place... The Giants just had some bad luck but, if they hold on to that Philly game they are one of the favorites right now in the NFC... They won 9 games, should easily be 10+....I think with Coughlin and the type of players they have can take this season as a lesson for the offseason and come back healthier and hungrier and work on the little things and special teams...IMO, you come back with that system in place for 1 more run at least and hope to up your wins to 12 and get some home field next year.

I'm not even sure why Coughlin's name seems to come up so often.

The same reason there are still Eagles fans who are, today, calling for Andy Reid to go in spite of his winning yet another division title and 10+ games. Too many fans overrate change. They are too willing to accept that the unknown outcome will be like a lottery ticket and work out perfectly. So unless they have the PERFECT solution in place (which no one does, not even New England) they are always for getting behind the NEXT instead of being rational and realizing that not every team can be a championship team every year.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Coughlin still has a ton of points with me for the Super Bowl run. I'm not sure I like any names floating around including Cowher. I'm not a huge fan of moving coaches all the time and love the way the Steelers run their team in that regard.

 

[Godsbrother]

Does Cowher go to DAL, a team that he played for,

Bill Cowher has never played for or coached the Dallas Cowboys.My guess is that Cowher ends up in Houston.

 

[steelcityman]

Car is horrible and wont be good in 5 years, Cowher isnt stupid, he is not going there unless they back up the bank truck and also name him GM.

Miami would have made sense, but they are keeping Sporano.

NYG arent getting rid of a super bowl coach. they need to get better players on defense.

I think he waits for Washington to open up and robs that jerk owner for huge loot.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Does Cowher go to DAL, a team that he played for,

Bill Cowher has never played for or coached the Dallas Cowboys.My guess is that Cowher ends up in Houston.

Do Cowher and Wade Phillips have any history?That could mean a one way ticket for Kubiak to Denver. Elway would probalby pay for the ticket out of pocket.

 

[Jason Wood]

Car is horrible and wont be good in 5 years, Cowher isnt stupid, he is not going there unless they back up the bank truck and also name him GM.

Miami would have made sense, but they are keeping Sporano.

NYG arent getting rid of a super bowl coach. they need to get better players on defense.

I think he waits for Washington to open up and robs that jerk owner for huge loot.

They are horrible, but I wouldn't be so quick to say they won't be good in 5 years. The Rams were lucky to win a game or two the last few seasons and look what hitting on a QB and a OT in this draft meant for them. Expectations for reshaping a team's fortunes are far shorter now than they once were.

 

[The_Fonz]

I think they should keep Coughlin. Let's not forget how many bad years Cowher had in Pittsbugh. Can someone post each of their stats? I think Coughlin is a quality coach and shouldn't be fired. However, If the giants have another epic end of season meltdown next year, then he has to go.

 

[Yenrub]

I can say as a Giants fan that I like Tom Coughlin and think he is a good coach.

I guess the only real concern is his age and how much longer he wants to coach.

I have seen/heard a lot of talk from Giants fans that don't like TC clamoring for Cowher and I just don't get it. While I do think that Cowher is a good coach I think he is overrated by most (or at least those wanting TC replaced by BC).

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I think they should keep Coughlin. Let's not forget how many bad years Cowher had in Pittsbugh. Can someone post each of their stats? I think Coughlin is a quality coach and shouldn't be fired. However, If the giants have another epic end of season meltdown next year, then he has to go.

Winning percentage:  Reg Season: Cowher .623 Coughlin: .552 (.577 NYG) Post Season:       .571           .533 (.571 NYG)

 

[RBM]

I kinda think Coughlin is as good, if not better than Cowher.

 

[Godsbrother]

I think they should keep Coughlin. Let's not forget how many bad years Cowher had in Pittsbugh. Can someone post each of their stats? I think Coughlin is a quality coach and shouldn't be fired. However, If the giants have another epic end of season meltdown next year, then he has to go.

Bill Cowher had only three losing seasons while coaching the Steelers. During his tenure with the Steelers the Steelers had a better winning percentage than any other team in the NFL. His shortcomings, if he had any, were in the playoffs where he posted a 12-9 record.

 

[Jason Wood]

I think they should keep Coughlin. Let's not forget how many bad years Cowher had in Pittsbugh. Can someone post each of their stats? I think Coughlin is a quality coach and shouldn't be fired. However, If the giants have another epic end of season meltdown next year, then he has to go.

Bill Cowher had only three losing seasons while coaching the Steelers. During his tenure with the Steelers the Steelers had a better winning percentage than any other team in the NFL. His shortcomings, if he had any, were in the playoffs where he posted a 12-9 record.

Which is still, in and of itself, an impressive feat.

 

[Godsbrother]

I kinda think Coughlin is as good, if not better than Cowher.

He may be although sometimes a good coach can get stale in the same environment. Not saying that is the case with a Coughlin but it could be.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

If Matt Dodge gets the ball out of bounds, as he was instructed, nobody anywhere is talking about Coughlin's job not being safe.

 

[Yenrub]

This is Coughlin’s 7th season with the Giants

He has had 1 losing season

2 .500 seasons

Been to the playoffs 4 times (with an outside shot at 5)

1 Superbowl

 

[RBM]

If Matt Dodge gets the ball out of bounds, as he was instructed, nobody anywhere is talking about Coughlin's job not being safe.

Wasnt the game going to OT at that point?

 

[RBM]

I think they should keep Coughlin. Let's not forget how many bad years Cowher had in Pittsbugh. Can someone post each of their stats? I think Coughlin is a quality coach and shouldn't be fired. However, If the giants have another epic end of season meltdown next year, then he has to go.

Bill Cowher had only three losing seasons while coaching the Steelers. During his tenure with the Steelers the Steelers had a better winning percentage than any other team in the NFL. His shortcomings, if he had any, were in the playoffs where he posted a 12-9 record.

I think his worst stat is losing 4 (almost 5) AFC title games in his building

 

[IvanKaramazov]

If Matt Dodge gets the ball out of bounds, as he was instructed, nobody anywhere is talking about Coughlin's job not being safe.

Wasnt the game going to OT at that point?

Yeah, but keep in mind that Matt Dodge also failed to prepare for an onside kick attempt that the Eagles recovered. And he also gave up a ton of passing and rushing yards to Vick in the fourth quarter. So blaming him for that loss is entirely fair.

 

[The_Fonz]

I think you meant Coughlin not being prepared for the onside kick....not Dodge?

So Cowher has a better winning percentage but also remember that Coughlin was the first coach of an expansion team....that has to skew the pct. numbers a bit. I don't see Cowher as a huge upgrade but he does seem to be a bit more authoritative for some reason....is it that large jaw?

 

[Godsbrother]

I think they should keep Coughlin. Let's not forget how many bad years Cowher had in Pittsbugh. Can someone post each of their stats? I think Coughlin is a quality coach and shouldn't be fired. However, If the giants have another epic end of season meltdown next year, then he has to go.

Bill Cowher had only three losing seasons while coaching the Steelers. During his tenure with the Steelers the Steelers had a better winning percentage than any other team in the NFL. His shortcomings, if he had any, were in the playoffs where he posted a 12-9 record.

I think his worst stat is losing 4 (almost 5) AFC title games in his building

True but the Steelers were underdogs in 2 of the 4 losses and 3 of those 4 teams went on to win the Super Bowl. It is about the only blemish on his coaching record though.

 

[Avery]

I think the Giants would be nuts to let Coughlin go..... Guy is a top Head Coach in the league and has everything in place... The Giants just had some bad luck but, if they hold on to that Philly game they are one of the favorites right now in the NFC... They won 9 games, should easily be 10+....I think with Coughlin and the type of players they have can take this season as a lesson for the offseason and come back healthier and hungrier and work on the little things and special teams...IMO, you come back with that system in place for 1 more run at least and hope to up your wins to 12 and get some home field next year.

I'm not even sure why Coughlin's name seems to come up so often.

Late season colapse ever year whoild probably be why.

 

[Fensalk]

For some reason, NFL franchises tend to swing between hiring a disciplinarian and a players' coach. Cowher is a disciplinarian, so he'd be most attractive to teams that just fired a players' coach.

Disciplinarians:

Brad Childress

Josh McDaniels

Tom Coughlin

Tony Sparano

Mike Singletary

Eric Mangini

Players' coaches:

Gary Kubiak

Wade Phillips

Jeff Fisher

John Fox

Marvin Lewis

This would point Cowher towards Houston, Dallas, Tennessee, Cincinnati and Carolina.

 

[thehornet]

I think the Giants would be nuts to let Coughlin go..... Guy is a top Head Coach in the league and has everything in place... The Giants just had some bad luck but, if they hold on to that Philly game they are one of the favorites right now in the NFC... They won 9 games, should easily be 10+....I think with Coughlin and the type of players they have can take this season as a lesson for the offseason and come back healthier and hungrier and work on the little things and special teams...IMO, you come back with that system in place for 1 more run at least and hope to up your wins to 12 and get some home field next year.

I'm not even sure why Coughlin's name seems to come up so often.

Late season colapse ever year whoild probably be why.

my favorite late season collapse was when they beat the undefeated patriots in the superbowl.

 

[Avery]

I think the Giants would be nuts to let Coughlin go..... Guy is a top Head Coach in the league and has everything in place... The Giants just had some bad luck but, if they hold on to that Philly game they are one of the favorites right now in the NFC... They won 9 games, should easily be 10+....I think with Coughlin and the type of players they have can take this season as a lesson for the offseason and come back healthier and hungrier and work on the little things and special teams...IMO, you come back with that system in place for 1 more run at least and hope to up your wins to 12 and get some home field next year.

I'm not even sure why Coughlin's name seems to come up so often.

Late season colapse ever year whoild probably be why.

my favorite late season collapse was when they beat the undefeated patriots in the superbowl.

That was a fantastic year.Doesn't disprove that Coughlin has a great first half of the season record and a poor second half record with his tenure as the Giants HC.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Does Cowher go to DAL, a team that he played for,

Bill Cowher has never played for or coached the Dallas Cowboys.My guess is that Cowher ends up in Houston.

I stand corrected, sir. I have thought that Cowher had at one time played on Dallas, since PIT played DAL in their last Superbowl together; you could of knocked me over with a feather with that one.I am not calling for Coughlin to go, I like him and as others have said the glow of the NYG/NE Superbowl still warms me. As a Steelers fan, I have that same sort of felling towards Cowher. Coughlin has been on the hot seat before in NY including the Superbowl year. It all depends on how the front office feels about their team and if they are overachieving or underachieving. I have the feeling the the Giants feel that Cowher has more upside than Coughlin and about the same floor; so then the rest comes to the dollars.

 

[Phlash]

I think the Giants would be nuts to let Coughlin go..... Guy is a top Head Coach in the league and has everything in place... The Giants just had some bad luck but, if they hold on to that Philly game they are one of the favorites right now in the NFC... They won 9 games, should easily be 10+....I think with Coughlin and the type of players they have can take this season as a lesson for the offseason and come back healthier and hungrier and work on the little things and special teams...IMO, you come back with that system in place for 1 more run at least and hope to up your wins to 12 and get some home field next year.

I'm not even sure why Coughlin's name seems to come up so often.

The same reason there are still Eagles fans who are, today, calling for Andy Reid to go in spite of his winning yet another division title and 10+ games. Too many fans overrate change. They are too willing to accept that the unknown outcome will be like a lottery ticket and work out perfectly. So unless they have the PERFECT solution in place (which no one does, not even New England) they are always for getting behind the NEXT instead of being rational and realizing that not every team can be a championship team every year.

You will be lucky to find 100 people in the New England area that don't think BB is doing a fantastic job and should be fired. You would be hard to find those 100 people during any of his seasons here.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Cowher gets more milage out of one bowl than any coach I've ever seen.

I will say this, I think the potential lockout saves Coughlin as long as they win Sunday.

 

[Godsbrother]

Cowher gets more milage out of one bowl than any coach I've ever seen.

As I mentioned earlier, during the time Cowher coached the Steelers his team won more games than any other NFL team. And for 12 of those years his starting quarterbacks were Bubby Brister, Neil O'Donnell, Kordell Stewart, Mike Tomczak, Jim Miller, Kent Graham and Tommy Maddox. Give that stable of QBs to any other coach and see what kind of winning percentage they could generate.Other than Bill Parcells, Bill Belichik, and possibly Mike Shanahan & Tony Dungy I don't think there has been a better head coach over the past 15 seasons than Bill Cowher.

 

[kentric]

The only way Coughlin doesn't come back is if the Giants get humiliated by the Redskins. He is a very good coach and his coaching the Giants to the SB means another year if there is no back-to-back season ending blowouts.

 

[Bri]

Giants are not notoriously frugal.

Only in NY would fans want to replace Coughlin.

He lost one of the best defenders ever, both the franchise's best RB and WR ever to retirement, and the franchise's most talented WR ever to a stupid action and he didn't miss a beat. There have been countless franchises that have struggled upon losing any one of those type players.

The Giants like to promote from within. Granted they have given that a long reach and twisted it some but this is an old franchise that has always been that way. They're prideful and believe they produce the best. Coughlin was a coach under BP.

They watched Nolan, Fox, BB, Groh, Romeo and oh so many former coaches go get head coaching jobs over the last so many years and more often than not they are referred to as BP's or BB's boys and not former Giants so this promoting from within has sorta been lost in the media's love with BB and BP.

Wellington Mara has passed away but I believe his son has the same mindset and understands the significance of this tradition.

This is not the NY Yankees going to pay a zillion to a free agent or the Knicks going to overpay for some retired star to coach or be GM so that they have a name.

If Coughlin is gone, their next head coach worked for them at some point (like Fox) or does now (like Gilbride).

 

[Bri]

Cowher gets more milage out of one bowl than any coach I've ever seen. I will say this, I think the potential lockout saves Coughlin as long as they win Sunday.

Ballpark guess of 7-10 of his assistants have become head coaches in the NFL

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I think the carolina owner is too cheap to pay Cowher

Yes, and in fact he's too cheap to pay Jon Fox, which will be a major factor in why they let him go.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Giants are not notoriously frugal.Only in NY would fans want to replace Coughlin.He lost one of the best defenders ever, both the franchise's best RB and WR ever to retirement, and the franchise's most talented WR ever to a stupid action and he didn't miss a beat. There have been countless franchises that have struggled upon losing any one of those type players.The Giants like to promote from within. Granted they have given that a long reach and twisted it some but this is an old franchise that has always been that way. They're prideful and believe they produce the best. Coughlin was a coach under BP. They watched Nolan, Fox, BB, Groh, Romeo and oh so many former coaches go get head coaching jobs over the last so many years and more often than not they are referred to as BP's or BB's boys and not former Giants so this promoting from within has sorta been lost in the media's love with BB and BP.Wellington Mara has passed away but I believe his son has the same mindset and understands the significance of this tradition.This is not the NY Yankees going to pay a zillion to a free agent or the Knicks going to overpay for some retired star to coach or be GM so that they have a name. If Coughlin is gone, their next head coach worked for them at some point (like Fox) or does now (like Gilbride).

Well, this isn't entirely true, they did do the Dan Reeves thing.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

If Matt Dodge gets the ball out of bounds, as he was instructed, the Giants lose in overtime and we are still talking about Coughlin's job not being safe.

Fixed.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Cowher gets more milage out of one bowl than any coach I've ever seen.

As I mentioned earlier, during the time Cowher coached the Steelers his team won more games than any other NFL team. And for 12 of those years his starting quarterbacks were Bubby Brister, Neil O'Donnell, Kordell Stewart, Mike Tomczak, Jim Miller, Kent Graham and Tommy Maddox. Give that stable of QBs to any other coach and see what kind of winning percentage they could generate.Other than Bill Parcells, Bill Belichik, and possibly Mike Shanahan & Tony Dungy I don't think there has been a better head coach over the past 15 seasons than Bill Cowher.

If Cowher had lost the amount of big home playoff games he did in New York, he never would have lasted. He is also a few friendly flags against the Hawks away from being Norv Turner or Marty Schottenheimer. There are occasional rumblings about Belichek having had enough of New England, and I'd much rather wait on the longshot of a guy like that than make a lateral move to Cowher. I think he's a fine coach, and I could see this team needing a change of scenery, but he's not Lombardi.

 

[harryhood]

I'd much prefer they focus their energy on bringing a solid special teams unit to the Meadowlands than a new head coach. That side of the ball can easily lose you games, and it has.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Other than Bill Parcells, Bill Belichik, and possibly Mike Shanahan & Tony Dungy I don't think there has been a better head coach over the past 15 seasons than Bill Cowher.

Seriously? His last 8 years or so in Denver plus this year in Washington indicate that Shanahan's success was more likely a product of having John Elway and Terrell Davis than any coaching brilliance. The main innovation that happened under his watch was the zone-blocking scheme, and that had more to do with Alex Gibbs than Shanny.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Giants are not notoriously frugal.

Only in NY would fans want to replace Coughlin.

He lost one of the best defenders ever, both the franchise's best RB and WR ever to retirement, and the franchise's most talented WR ever to a stupid action and he didn't miss a beat. There have been countless franchises that have struggled upon losing any one of those type players.

The Giants like to promote from within. Granted they have given that a long reach and twisted it some but this is an old franchise that has always been that way. They're prideful and believe they produce the best. Coughlin was a coach under BP.

They watched Nolan, Fox, BB, Groh, Romeo and oh so many former coaches go get head coaching jobs over the last so many years and more often than not they are referred to as BP's or BB's boys and not former Giants so this promoting from within has sorta been lost in the media's love with BB and BP.

Wellington Mara has passed away but I believe his son has the same mindset and understands the significance of this tradition.

This is not the NY Yankees going to pay a zillion to a free agent or the Knicks going to overpay for some retired star to coach or be GM so that they have a name.

If Coughlin is gone, their next head coach worked for them at some point (like Fox) or does now (like Gilbride).

The Giants are frugal; they very rarely put a complete package on the field, always trying to get by at some position that is a glaring weakness. My favorite is when they would take out 8-10 page ads in the local paper, as if they were written by reporters, saying how good all the players are and how their glaring weaknesses are not a big deal. Go read some biographies of former players and see how the describe the "generous" Mara family. I like Coughlin, my only point is that he is old, is he going to coach for another 6 years? If not why not make a move that will be not be much of a drop off, for a younger coach. As far as NY fans wanting Coughlin out, they do have a point, he has had some pretty big meltdowns. You can't have it both ways; the Giants can't be paying good money to get and retain talent and be getting top notch coaching - somewhere there is a disconnect. I will say if the Giants feel that they have spent good money on good talent, their bullseye will be squarely focused on Coughlin.

 

[Yenrub]

Is Cowher going to bring **** LeBeau with him?

 

[Masked Vigilante]

Plenty of Steelers fans were calling for Cowher's resignation before that improbable super bowl run.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Cowher gets more milage out of one bowl than any coach I've ever seen.

As I mentioned earlier, during the time Cowher coached the Steelers his team won more games than any other NFL team. And for 12 of those years his starting quarterbacks were Bubby Brister, Neil O'Donnell, Kordell Stewart, Mike Tomczak, Jim Miller, Kent Graham and Tommy Maddox. Give that stable of QBs to any other coach and see what kind of winning percentage they could generate.Other than Bill Parcells, Bill Belichik, and possibly Mike Shanahan & Tony Dungy I don't think there has been a better head coach over the past 15 seasons than Bill Cowher.

Parcells? I wouldn't say he is one of the best coaches of the last 15 years, unless you are taking everything they did prior to that into consideration. As for the Steelers' QBs, as much as Steelers fans love to dog them, it is important to remember that some of those guys played really well at times. Kordell Stewart was one of the league's most feared players for a spell, and even Maddox had that one good year; they probably don't get to the divisional round if he hadn't played so well at times that year, especially in the first round comeback win over the Browns.

And when you look at the success Mike Tomlin has also had in Pittsburgh, it says a lot of the Steelers organization and their ability to do well regardless of some parts moving around. Not trying to take anything away from Cowher, but if he gets back into coaching, it will be interesting to see how he does, coaching for a franchise that isn't as well-run from top to bottom.

Other than Bill Parcells, Bill Belichik, and possibly Mike Shanahan & Tony Dungy I don't think there has been a better head coach over the past 15 seasons than Bill Cowher.

Seriously? His last 8 years or so in Denver plus this year in Washington indicate that Shanahan's success was more likely a product of having John Elway and Terrell Davis than any coaching brilliance. The main innovation that happened under his watch was the zone-blocking scheme, and that had more to do with Alex Gibbs than Shanny.

Elway won two Super Bowls in four seasons with Shanahan as his head coach? How many did he win without Shanahan as his head coach?

 

[Godsbrother]

Is Cowher going to bring **** LeBeau with him?

I doubt it. LeBeau is close to retirement and I doubt he would leave the Steelers at this point. Besides, Cowher's teams had great defense both before and after he hired LeBeau.

 

[Godsbrother]

Plenty of Steelers fans were calling for Cowher's resignation before that improbable super bowl run.

This is true, there were some Steelers fans calling for Cowher's head. That doesn't mean Cowher wasn't a damn good coach.

 

[Bri]

As far as NY fans wanting Coughlin out, they do have a point, he has had some pretty big meltdowns.

It's a NY thing not a Gmen thing. The Giants melted down under Fassel, under BP, clearly under Handley and it's not just that the Jets meltdown wayyyy too often too. I don't understand it one bit and can't rationalize it, because it surely happens far too often. It's almost like if they don't meltdown it's going to be a notable season. It's very odd.I have noticed the NY press getting on an individual (in any sport) and seen that guy struggle so I do get the not everyone is made to play in NY type rationale some say, but I don't know what this is. This is team oriented. What do you think?