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Coughlin Out-Coached? (1 Viewer)

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Giants' Coughlin Out-Foxed by Panthers' Plan

By JON SARACENO, USA TODAY

Sports Commentary

Tiki Barber had the nerve to put his mouth where his money is, to say what his entire locker room was thinking. After delivering one of the great little-man seasons in NFL history, and after nobly serving as the emotional compass of a team that buried its two owners, Barber had earned the right to declare Tom Coughlin the second-best coach on the Giants Stadium field.

John Fox had just made the New York Giants' decision to let Vince Lombardi leave for Green Bay look brilliant when measured against their choice to bless Fox's jump to Carolina. The Giants' former defensive coordinator had just made Coughlin look like a guy who should spend less time running surveillance in hotel lobbies to nail any player wearing white socks and unlaced Nikes to the gift shop.

"They just had a good scheme," Barber said of the Panthers. "I think in some ways we were out-coached."

Good for him. Maybe this was Barber's first meaningful move on a day when he gained 41 lousy yards in a 23-0 playoff defeat, the only 41 rushing yards the Giants would get. But it was the one cut against the grain that needed to be made. (Related story: Panthers crush Giants)

If Coughlin wants to hold his players to all sorts of silly boot-camp standards, then his players need to hold him accountable, too.

"I don't think Plaxico had a catch," Barber said of the reception-free Burress. "So I think that's just a testament to (the fact) that our game plan wasn't the right one."

Game plan? What game plan? When the Panthers made it clear they had built their Sunday around stopping Barber, Coughlin did nothing to help his running back or overmatched quarterback, Eli Manning, who managed a hat trick's worth of interceptions while committing his usual off-the-back-foot, across-the-body, into-double-coverage sins.

Meanwhile, Fox had no problem making the X's and O's work for his star, Steve Smith, who scored once by air and once by ground - the rushing touchdown coming on a creative reverse. Fox is the one with the defensive background, Coughlin the one with the offensive background. You would've never known it by the stat sheet - 43 minutes of possession to 17, 23 first downs to 9 - or by the toxic quotes drifting away from the losing side.

"You've got to give their coaches credit; they had a great game plan," Burress must've said a dozen times in 15 cathartic minutes at his stall. "They had an answer for everything we did. It seemed like they were one step ahead of us the whole game. When we lined up, they had an answer for every formation. ... They were more prepared than we were."

Burress doesn't pack Barber's cachet, not after one second-chance season with New York. But acknowledging that an opponent showed up more prepared than your team is acknowledging that your head coach failed to honor his responsibilities in an all-or-nothing game.

"You've got to tell the truth," Burress said. "They had a great game plan for us."

Burress and Jeremy Shockey spent the afternoon wearing the body language of defeat, throwing up their hands in disgust. Burress was awed by the draw plays that helped DeShaun Foster gain 151 yards and by the quick passes from Jake Delhomme to Smith that kept the Carolina chains moving toward Chicago and a second-round game with the Bears.

"They were just playing smart," Burress said. "They're a way better football team than we are."

The Giants were awful on offense, defense, special teams. Coughlin shouldn't have had the Jurassic Terrell Buckley within four ZIP codes of Smith, but the wide receiver burned Buckley on a 22-yard touchdown pass that set the ominous tone.

The Giants would be shut out in the playoffs for the first time in 20 years. After Coughlin blazed his drill sergeant path to the postgame podium, he said his team had "started to restore New York Giant pride."

Sorry, tough guy, but it doesn't work that way. You don't get embarrassed by the other head coach, in your own building, and then ask people to see some lush forest beyond the barren trees.

Coughlin now has a 4-5 playoff record to go with four losing seasons in the last five. On a day when Eli made the comparisons to Peyton seem more absurd than those classic Chad Pennington comparisons to Joe Montana, Coughlin was still the most inept Giant in the house.

Fox? "He knows how to get his guys playing at the right level," Barber said. "He was the reason that we shut out Minnesota in 2000 and got to the Super Bowl."

Barber would call Fox "a great defensive coordinator." He meant to say a great head coach, and the only one to be found on the Giants Stadium field.

01/09/2006 07:21

 
If Plaxico had said this stuff, he would be villified today. But Tiki has built up enough goodwill for people to actually consider the fact he's right instead of simply ripping him for not "keeping it in-house."I still have to wonder what the team gains from his comments though. Even if it were true, how does that help matters? He didn't throw Eli under the bus even though he certainly could have. You would think he didn't throw Manning under the bus because he realizes the negative impact of such a statement would FAR outweight the near-term relief of "speaking the truth." Why doesn't the same rule apply for your coaches? :confused:

 
If Plaxico had said this stuff, he would be villified today. But Tiki has built up enough goodwill for people to actually consider the fact he's right instead of simply ripping him for not "keeping it in-house."

I still have to wonder what the team gains from his comments though. Even if it were true, how does that help matters? He didn't throw Eli under the bus even though he certainly could have. You would think he didn't throw Manning under the bus because he realizes the negative impact of such a statement would FAR outweight the near-term relief of "speaking the truth." Why doesn't the same rule apply for your coaches? :confused:
My speculation: Because Coughlin rides them into the ground, and when a guy who asks for so much from you does his job poorly, the temptation to call him out is too strong. If Coughlin was more a "player's coach" I dont think Tiki would have said those things.Like I said, pure speculation, but it makes sense to me.

 
Tiki ran soft and timid! As far as Coughlin being the second best coach on Sunday, Tiki was at best the third best RB behind Foster and Goings!

 
I won't say Coughlin did a good job, but the defense should know how to tackle after 16 games. That was the difference in the time of possession as much as anything. Carolina ran, Giants missed tackles, 1st down, repeat. More time for Carolina. The Panthers are committed to stopping Tiki so Coughlin tries to make them pay by having Eli pass the ball and there are terrible passes that give Carolina the ball. Smith's reverse a great call, maybe. The CB takes a bad route and gets beat for the TD. If the CB plays it a little better Smith is tackled for a huge loss.Outcoached, probably. Outplayed, definately.

 
From reading other comments, it sounded like Tiki was more complimenting the Panthers' gameplan than throwing his own coach under the bus.

 
I won't say Coughlin did a good job, but the defense should know how to tackle after 16 games. That was the difference in the time of possession as much as anything. Carolina ran, Giants missed tackles, 1st down, repeat. More time for Carolina. The Panthers are committed to stopping Tiki so Coughlin tries to make them pay by having Eli pass the ball and there are terrible passes that give Carolina the ball. Smith's reverse a great call, maybe. The CB takes a bad route and gets beat for the TD. If the CB plays it a little better Smith is tackled for a huge loss.

Outcoached, probably. Outplayed, definately.
:goodposting: I'm pretty sure Coughlin didn't instruct his players to miss tackles all game...This game came down to the simple fact that none of the Giants could tackle.

 
When I first saw Tiki's comments on Sportscenter, I didn't think of it as anything other than, "We stunk. Players. Coaches. Everybody. There's enough blame to go around. Top down we got our butts handed to us." I didn't think it was a big issue.

 
While I agree with Tiki (Terrell Buckley on Steve Smith all day was a brilliant idea :rolleyes: )He should have kept his mouth shut.

 
Did anybody here actually think Coughlin is a better coach than Fox? :confused: I didn't need to see this game to know Fox is a better coach.

 
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Coughlin forced Tiki to watch film with him today in order to show him that the coaching wasnt the problem. Coughlin "gets" it. G-men will be lucky to win 8 next season.

 
Coughlin forced Tiki to watch film with him today in order to show him that the coaching wasnt the problem. Coughlin "gets" it. G-men will be lucky to win 8 next season.
Why do you think that?
 
I don't think there is any doubt that Coughlin was outcoached on the day. Jack Del Rio was outcoached on the day. Happens all the time in football. However, remember that Coughlin took a team that was 4-12 in '03, improved them to 6-10 in '04, and had them very competitive at 11-5 this year. Coughlin has his limitations as a coach, but he took a team which was in disarray and undisciplined, and imposed order and discipline and made them winners.

 
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Coughlin forced Tiki to watch film with him today in order to show him that the coaching wasnt the problem.  Coughlin "gets" it.  G-men will be lucky to win 8 next season.
Why do you think that?
Tougher schedule. I see the Cowboys and Eagles both being better next season. Tiki and Strahan are a year older. I am not an Eli fan. Plex isnt a worthy #1 WR. Coughlin doesnt have the respect of his players - or at least they dont like him. They were up in arms last year about him, seemed to go with the flow of him this season as they were winning, but yesterday and the month of december (Tiki carried the entire team and I dont think he has it in him to do it again) may have them singing the old tune.
 
Coughlin, Barber Make Amends Over Game Film

Running Back Ripped Coaches After Giants' Playoff Loss

By DAVID PORTER, AP Sports

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (Jan. 9) - New York Giants coach Tom Coughlin and running back Tiki Barber appeared to have resolved their differences Monday over remarks Barber made after Sunday's NFC wild-card game loss to Carolina.

Barber said after the game that the Giants were outcoached by Carolina's John Fox, a former Giants defensive coordinator. Coughlin was clearly displeased with the comments, and expressed that on Monday after taking the unusual step of calling Barber in to look at game films of the 23-0 loss.

"I was upset because in the true concept of team it is not about pointing the finger," Coughlin said. "It is not about that. We are all in this together. We have tried to engender this thought process since we have been here. Occasionally out of frustration, something happens where someone says something that they haven't thought out well."

Barber - who was not the only Giant to question some of the coaching decisions - backtracked from his earlier statement Sunday that it seemed the Panthers "were in our huddle" during the loss.

"We had a good conversation about what we needed to do for next year," Barber said. "It shouldn't be an issue. It wasn't the game-planning, it was execution and them getting more attuned to the opponent than we were. If you look at the tape, there were plays out there that we missed that we shouldn't have."

Sunday wasn't the first time Barber had spoken out about the coaching this season. After a 16-13 overtime loss to Dallas on Oct. 16 in which he carried the ball just 14 times for 64 yards, he remarked that the Giants seemed to be ignoring their rushing attack in favor of a vertical passing game.

Barber went on to rush for a career-high 1,860 yards, which included three 200-yard performances. But he was held to 41 yards on 13 carries by a voracious Panthers defense that held New York to 132 total yards.

Barber insisted his comments were not a sign of a larger rift between him and the coaching staff.

"We are on the same page," he said. "It's just a matter of us getting in rhythm. When you're in a rhythm it's easy to call plays, and we didn't have that."

Coughlin would not divulge the details of his discussion with Barber but seemed satisfied with the outcome.

"That is private," he said. "We had a good conversation. It is always a good conversation with Tiki. He is a very positive guy. He said something that, hopefully, he regretted. I didn't want to see it. I saw it, we talked, we looked at some tape together and we continued to talk. And it ended up as it always does, a unified situation."

01/09/06 17:16 EST

 
Tiki = team cancer?

Imagine if TO had said this...
You'd be happy to know that Mike & The Mad Dog were killing Tiki today.
It doesn't surprise me...Considering Tiki makes more cash than Coughlin, he should take note.

Nevertheless, the best coach in the world wouldn't have helped once the Panthers were up by two scores.

 
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Burress didn't catch a pass because guess what... he wasn't open.
He was open, just not soon enough for Eli not to take a sack...
I read on NJ.com that Burress didn't get a ball thrown to him until sometime in the 3rd quarter.
Maybe because he was running poor routes? The announcers were pointing out during the game how poor an effort he was showing. IMO, big money FA's need to come to a playoff game with a better showing than that.ETA: I live in the NYC media area. From what I've heard, there'a a lot of finger pointing going on with the G-Men right now.

 
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