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Could brain trauma be contributing to Ben's behavior? (1 Viewer)

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I have not been a Ben apologist by any stretch. But I have to admit that the thought briefly entered my mind during all of this mess that perhaps Ben's accident has had a greater affect on him than we might know. Add in multiple concussions since then, and who knows?

I thought this was an interesting article. I hope that Ben isn't another in a line of Steelers who found themselves significantly changed due to repeated brain injuries.

Is Roethlisberger's brain trauma at fault for recent behavior?

By Carl Prine, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW

Sunday, April 25, 2010

On Nov. 22, the helmeted head of Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger met the knee of onrushing Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Derrick Johnson.

The quarterback with two Super Bowl rings wobbled off the field and sat out the next game. Less than four months later, he stood accused of raping a Georgia student in a Milledgeville nightclub, and quiet questions began: Six years in the National Football League, 242 sacks, four serious head traumas -- three on the field and one from a nearly fatal 2006 motorcycle crash -- and two sexual assault allegations after boozy evenings in Nevada and Georgia.

On Wednesday, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell ordered Roethlisberger, 28, to undergo a battery of medical tests, part of a conditional punishment plan that could bench him for up to six games and cost him about $2.8 million.

Medical experts consulted by the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review refused to diagnose the root causes of Roethlisberger's pattern of self-destructive behavior. But frontal lobe brain trauma has long been known to affect mood, judgment, interpersonal relations, foresight and the inhibition that keeps most others from displaying inappropriate social behavior -- what's called "executive function" by neurologists and psychiatrists.

People who suffer repeated head injuries often exhibit signs of aggression, childishness, impaired self-control, inappropriate sexual activity and alcohol abuse, according to the National Institutes of Health.

"Ben Roethlisberger is a guy with a lot of concussions," said famed forensic pathologist Cyril Wecht. "It would be a very wise decision, a very appropriate one, for the NFL to test him for damage related to them. That's being very fair to Ben.

"It's conceivable to think that there is a possibility that those concussions have led to some behavioral issues. The question I pose is simple: Can someone with several chronic or repetitive head injuries later display behavior that is socially undesirable? It's certainly possible, but we won't know that unless there is a proper evaluation, then work-up and treatment plan. It would be medically negligent not to include these sorts of tests as a part of this disciplinary process."

Wecht doesn't want to excuse Big Ben's boorish behavior, only to ask the NFL to strongly consider the causes of it, including underlying brain trauma. The former Allegheny County coroner was so concerned with the issue that he convened a March 12 and 13 pow-wow of leading concussion experts at Duquesne University -- a conference he provocatively titled "Is Football Bad for the Brain?"

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said a formal clinical evaluation is standard for any player arrested, charged or otherwise appearing to engage in mischief, but the medical results won't be released to the public.

"We do not disclose any other details relating to a specific individual," Aiello said. "Yes, medical professionals perform the evaluation. Yes, we have access to the findings and recommendations."

Roethlisberger's spokesman, agent Ryan Tollner, did not return telephone calls seeking comment.

Traumatic brain injury long has been a key concern of the NFL Players Association. In October, the union formed a special committee to study the diagnosis, treatment and prevention of brain injuries. Former Steelers wide receiver Sean Morey co-chairs it with Virginia's Dr. Thom Mayer, the union's medical director.

"Until we examine a lot of people like Ben Roethlisberger and study the histories of brain injury and relate them to exhibited behavior, we won't be able to answer the essential questions that need to be answered," Mayer said. "There's so much more we need to know."

That's why the NFL last week donated $1 million to Boston University to study chronic traumatic encephalopathy. Known simply as "CTE" or "punchdrunk syndrome," it's a degenerative brain condition that affects cognition and player conduct, eventually leading to dementia. Post-mortem examinations of the brains of Steelers Terry Long, Justin Strzelczyk and Hall of Fame center Mike Webster found evidence of the syndrome.

Strzelczyk died in a fiery 2004 explosion after ramming his vehicle into a truck filled with acid while trying to evade pursuing police cruisers. His marriage had ended in divorce, and he was dogged by rumors of drug use and depression.

Long committed suicide by drinking antifreeze in 2006, having previously suffered from broken relationships and facing federal charges of defrauding lenders and accusations that he burned down a chicken-processing plant.

Webster experienced dementia, sleep problems, memory loss and a broken marriage before succumbing to a heart attack in 2002.

"With Mike Webster, you had all the signs -- a failed business and marriage. He had become homeless. He was suicidal, depressed. This is typical of chronic traumatic encephalopathy," said West Virginia University neurosurgeon Julian Bailes and Iron Mike's physician.

Bailes refuses to weigh in on Roethlisberger but encourages more research into repetitive concussions and sub-concussive blows to the head and how they affect behavior.

"We've looked at 23 brains through autopsy now," said Bailes, who serves on the union's brain trauma committee. The syndrome "seems to manifest by affecting the emotional circuitry of the brain, and we need to look more into that."
 
It's possible. Phineas Gage is a common example of what can happen with frontal lobe damage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage

But after thinking it over again, there's very little chance that the injuries Ben has had could damage the personality areas of the brain without damaging any of the motor areas of the brain. If his brain had been permanently damaged he'd probably wouldn't be able to play football because areas that involve body movement would be damaged too.

 
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I just read a news blurb that said that Ben R. is unable to join the team until July:

Rotoworld) Ben Roethlisberger hired bodyguards after he had a gun pulled on him outside of a bar a couple years ago.

Analysis: The gun was pulled by the boyfriend of a girl Big Ben was talking to, according to a report on ESPN's Outside the Lines. The report also went on to say that Roethlisberger's teammates had called him out for doing his own thing and having questionable work ethic. Roethlisberger, who isn't allowed to work out with the Steelers until July, has a lot of work to do to repair his image.

(Article Link)

WTF?

Seems like they'd want him around to keep an eye on him... unless they're trying to ship him and/or think he'll be more of a distraction for the rest of the team. But it seems to me like his absence would be more of a distraction if you plan on having him be your QB for the season :s

 
I just read a news blurb that said that Ben R. is unable to join the team until July:

Rotoworld) Ben Roethlisberger hired bodyguards after he had a gun pulled on him outside of a bar a couple years ago.

Analysis: The gun was pulled by the boyfriend of a girl Big Ben was talking to, according to a report on ESPN's Outside the Lines. The report also went on to say that Roethlisberger's teammates had called him out for doing his own thing and having questionable work ethic. Roethlisberger, who isn't allowed to work out with the Steelers until July, has a lot of work to do to repair his image.

(Article Link)

WTF?

Seems like they'd want him around to keep an eye on him... unless they're trying to ship him and/or think he'll be more of a distraction for the rest of the team. But it seems to me like his absence would be more of a distraction if you plan on having him be your QB for the season :s
It's the suspension by the league that prohibits him from working with the team, not a decision by the Steelers.
 
I just read a news blurb that said that Ben R. is unable to join the team until July:

Rotoworld) Ben Roethlisberger hired bodyguards after he had a gun pulled on him outside of a bar a couple years ago.

Analysis: The gun was pulled by the boyfriend of a girl Big Ben was talking to, according to a report on ESPN's Outside the Lines. The report also went on to say that Roethlisberger's teammates had called him out for doing his own thing and having questionable work ethic. Roethlisberger, who isn't allowed to work out with the Steelers until July, has a lot of work to do to repair his image.

(Article Link)

WTF?

Seems like they'd want him around to keep an eye on him... unless they're trying to ship him and/or think he'll be more of a distraction for the rest of the team. But it seems to me like his absence would be more of a distraction if you plan on having him be your QB for the season :s
The Steelers have no say in the matter. Goodell has stated he may not report until he has completed a full behavioural evaluation. That may include analysis of his brain for all we know.
 
An interesting question. Unlikely, but possible. It would change the conversation, but it would take an admission of sorts. I suppose they could try to float this as a conditional premise as in if it happened there may be an organic cause beyond his control.

 
I just read a news blurb that said that Ben R. is unable to join the team until July:

Rotoworld) Ben Roethlisberger hired bodyguards after he had a gun pulled on him outside of a bar a couple years ago.

Analysis: The gun was pulled by the boyfriend of a girl Big Ben was talking to, according to a report on ESPN's Outside the Lines. The report also went on to say that Roethlisberger's teammates had called him out for doing his own thing and having questionable work ethic. Roethlisberger, who isn't allowed to work out with the Steelers until July, has a lot of work to do to repair his image.

(Article Link)

WTF?

Seems like they'd want him around to keep an eye on him... unless they're trying to ship him and/or think he'll be more of a distraction for the rest of the team. But it seems to me like his absence would be more of a distraction if you plan on having him be your QB for the season :s
The Steelers have no say in the matter. Goodell has stated he may not report until he has completed a full behavioural evaluation. That may include analysis of his brain for all we know.
oh yea... will be interesting how he handles this next press conference tomorrow. Hopefully he's a little more contrite.

 
2 things...

1- being drunk (being a drunkard)

2- lack of "game" in being able to close the deal with women.
:goodposting: Brain trauma? :thumbdown: Some people are just looking for an excuse to justify rooting for their home team's starting qb.
You haven't been paying attention if this is what you think.
You want to explain this?
CE has been about as far from a BB apologist as is possible and still remain a Steeler fan. Of anyone on this board, he'd be the last one to make excuses for BB's behavior or even condone or try to mitigate it.
 
2 things...

1- being drunk (being a drunkard)

2- lack of "game" in being able to close the deal with women.
:goodposting: Brain trauma? :thumbdown: Some people are just looking for an excuse to justify rooting for their home team's starting qb.
You haven't been paying attention if this is what you think.
You want to explain this?
CE has been about as far from a BB apologist as is possible and still remain a Steeler fan. Of anyone on this board, he'd be the last one to make excuses for BB's behavior or even condone or try to mitigate it.
I'm aware of this. He's not the one who came up with this theory...just reposting the thing. Some Steeler fans are just looking for an excuse imo. CrossEyed might not be one of 'em but he's not the entire Steeler fanbase.
 
I have not been a Ben apologist by any stretch. But I have to admit that the thought briefly entered my mind during all of this mess that perhaps Ben's accident has had a greater affect on him than we might know. Add in multiple concussions since then, and who knows?

I thought this was an interesting article. I hope that Ben isn't another in a line of Steelers who found themselves significantly changed due to repeated brain injuries.

Is Roethlisberger's brain trauma at fault for recent behavior?

By Carl Prine, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW

Sunday, April 25, 2010

On Nov. 22, the helmeted head of Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger met the knee of onrushing Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Derrick Johnson.

The quarterback with two Super Bowl rings wobbled off the field and sat out the next game. Less than four months later, he stood accused of raping a Georgia student in a Milledgeville nightclub, and quiet questions began: Six years in the National Football League, 242 sacks, four serious head traumas -- three on the field and one from a nearly fatal 2006 motorcycle crash -- and two sexual assault allegations after boozy evenings in Nevada and Georgia.

On Wednesday, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell ordered Roethlisberger, 28, to undergo a battery of medical tests, part of a conditional punishment plan that could bench him for up to six games and cost him about $2.8 million.

Medical experts consulted by the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review refused to diagnose the root causes of Roethlisberger's pattern of self-destructive behavior. But frontal lobe brain trauma has long been known to affect mood, judgment, interpersonal relations, foresight and the inhibition that keeps most others from displaying inappropriate social behavior -- what's called "executive function" by neurologists and psychiatrists.

People who suffer repeated head injuries often exhibit signs of aggression, childishness, impaired self-control, inappropriate sexual activity and alcohol abuse, according to the National Institutes of Health.

"Ben Roethlisberger is a guy with a lot of concussions," said famed forensic pathologist Cyril Wecht. "It would be a very wise decision, a very appropriate one, for the NFL to test him for damage related to them. That's being very fair to Ben.

"It's conceivable to think that there is a possibility that those concussions have led to some behavioral issues. The question I pose is simple: Can someone with several chronic or repetitive head injuries later display behavior that is socially undesirable? It's certainly possible, but we won't know that unless there is a proper evaluation, then work-up and treatment plan. It would be medically negligent not to include these sorts of tests as a part of this disciplinary process."

Wecht doesn't want to excuse Big Ben's boorish behavior, only to ask the NFL to strongly consider the causes of it, including underlying brain trauma. The former Allegheny County coroner was so concerned with the issue that he convened a March 12 and 13 pow-wow of leading concussion experts at Duquesne University -- a conference he provocatively titled "Is Football Bad for the Brain?"

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said a formal clinical evaluation is standard for any player arrested, charged or otherwise appearing to engage in mischief, but the medical results won't be released to the public.

"We do not disclose any other details relating to a specific individual," Aiello said. "Yes, medical professionals perform the evaluation. Yes, we have access to the findings and recommendations."

Roethlisberger's spokesman, agent Ryan Tollner, did not return telephone calls seeking comment.

Traumatic brain injury long has been a key concern of the NFL Players Association. In October, the union formed a special committee to study the diagnosis, treatment and prevention of brain injuries. Former Steelers wide receiver Sean Morey co-chairs it with Virginia's Dr. Thom Mayer, the union's medical director.

"Until we examine a lot of people like Ben Roethlisberger and study the histories of brain injury and relate them to exhibited behavior, we won't be able to answer the essential questions that need to be answered," Mayer said. "There's so much more we need to know."

That's why the NFL last week donated $1 million to Boston University to study chronic traumatic encephalopathy. Known simply as "CTE" or "punchdrunk syndrome," it's a degenerative brain condition that affects cognition and player conduct, eventually leading to dementia. Post-mortem examinations of the brains of Steelers Terry Long, Justin Strzelczyk and Hall of Fame center Mike Webster found evidence of the syndrome.

Strzelczyk died in a fiery 2004 explosion after ramming his vehicle into a truck filled with acid while trying to evade pursuing police cruisers. His marriage had ended in divorce, and he was dogged by rumors of drug use and depression.

Long committed suicide by drinking antifreeze in 2006, having previously suffered from broken relationships and facing federal charges of defrauding lenders and accusations that he burned down a chicken-processing plant.

Webster experienced dementia, sleep problems, memory loss and a broken marriage before succumbing to a heart attack in 2002.

"With Mike Webster, you had all the signs -- a failed business and marriage. He had become homeless. He was suicidal, depressed. This is typical of chronic traumatic encephalopathy," said West Virginia University neurosurgeon Julian Bailes and Iron Mike's physician.

Bailes refuses to weigh in on Roethlisberger but encourages more research into repetitive concussions and sub-concussive blows to the head and how they affect behavior.

"We've looked at 23 brains through autopsy now," said Bailes, who serves on the union's brain trauma committee. The syndrome "seems to manifest by affecting the emotional circuitry of the brain, and we need to look more into that."
There is no doubt that repeated brain traumas (like the extremely severe one Roethlisberger suffered in the motorcycle crash, followed by other on-field incidents) does affect the concussed person's brain in a negative way. Wayne Chrebet, who was concussed repeatedly during his career with the Jets (including on the final catch of his career, when his body's muscle memory still made the catch/play though he passed out from the concussion) still suffers severe side effects from his brain traumas, according to his page at Wikipedia (based on interviews he's given post-NFL-career).

I'm open to the notion that Ben Roethlisberger may have damaged neural functions, but even if this is the case the last thing he should be doing is further lowering his inhibitions with excessive amounts of alcohol. There is a pattern of chosen behavior that is leading BR into these personally damaging and potentially criminal situations. The people around him shouldn't be enabling him - which is why I think the commissioner was wise to insist on a full evaluation of Roethlisberger's mental state/health and his compliance with a course of treatment.

It may very well be that he'll need to be off the field longer than six games in order to deal with the complex web of potential brain damage, chemical dependency and predatory personality traits that have led Roethlisberger to this juncture in his life. Hopefully, he can return to health and a semblance of normal behavior rather than the luridly deviant actions the witnesses in Milledgeville described/alleged.

There are clearly serious issues here that need to be addressed for Mr. Roethlisberger's sake, and for the good of the people he encounters in the future, whether in the NFL or out of it.

 
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I'm open to the notion that Ben Roethlisberger may have damaged neural functions, but even if this is the case the last thing he should be doing is further lowering his inhibitions with excessive amounts of alcohol. There is a pattern of chosen behavior that is leading BR into these personally damaging and potentially criminal situations. The people around him shouldn't be enabling him - which is why I think the commissioner was wise to insist on a full evaluation of Roethlisberger's mental state/health and his compliance with a course of treatment.

It may very well be that he'll need to be off the field longer than six games in order to deal with the complex web of potential brain damage, chemical dependency and predatory personality traits that have led Roethlisberger to this juncture in his life. Hopefully, he can return to health and a semblance of normal behavior rather than the luridly deviant actions the witnesses in Milledgeville described/alleged.
Anyone suffering from mental health issues isn't likely to be making the best decisions. 'Choosing' to drink alcohol may be a symptom.
 
I have not been a Ben apologist by any stretch. But I have to admit that the thought briefly entered my mind during all of this mess that perhaps Ben's accident has had a greater affect on him than we might know. Add in multiple concussions since then, and who knows?

I thought this was an interesting article. I hope that Ben isn't another in a line of Steelers who found themselves significantly changed due to repeated brain injuries.

Is Roethlisberger's brain trauma at fault for recent behavior?

By Carl Prine, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW

Sunday, April 25, 2010

On Nov. 22, the helmeted head of Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger met the knee of onrushing Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Derrick Johnson.

The quarterback with two Super Bowl rings wobbled off the field and sat out the next game. Less than four months later, he stood accused of raping a Georgia student in a Milledgeville nightclub, and quiet questions began: Six years in the National Football League, 242 sacks, four serious head traumas -- three on the field and one from a nearly fatal 2006 motorcycle crash -- and two sexual assault allegations after boozy evenings in Nevada and Georgia.

On Wednesday, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell ordered Roethlisberger, 28, to undergo a battery of medical tests, part of a conditional punishment plan that could bench him for up to six games and cost him about $2.8 million.

Medical experts consulted by the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review refused to diagnose the root causes of Roethlisberger's pattern of self-destructive behavior. But frontal lobe brain trauma has long been known to affect mood, judgment, interpersonal relations, foresight and the inhibition that keeps most others from displaying inappropriate social behavior -- what's called "executive function" by neurologists and psychiatrists.

People who suffer repeated head injuries often exhibit signs of aggression, childishness, impaired self-control, inappropriate sexual activity and alcohol abuse, according to the National Institutes of Health.

"Ben Roethlisberger is a guy with a lot of concussions," said famed forensic pathologist Cyril Wecht. "It would be a very wise decision, a very appropriate one, for the NFL to test him for damage related to them. That's being very fair to Ben.

"It's conceivable to think that there is a possibility that those concussions have led to some behavioral issues. The question I pose is simple: Can someone with several chronic or repetitive head injuries later display behavior that is socially undesirable? It's certainly possible, but we won't know that unless there is a proper evaluation, then work-up and treatment plan. It would be medically negligent not to include these sorts of tests as a part of this disciplinary process."

Wecht doesn't want to excuse Big Ben's boorish behavior, only to ask the NFL to strongly consider the causes of it, including underlying brain trauma. The former Allegheny County coroner was so concerned with the issue that he convened a March 12 and 13 pow-wow of leading concussion experts at Duquesne University -- a conference he provocatively titled "Is Football Bad for the Brain?"

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said a formal clinical evaluation is standard for any player arrested, charged or otherwise appearing to engage in mischief, but the medical results won't be released to the public.

"We do not disclose any other details relating to a specific individual," Aiello said. "Yes, medical professionals perform the evaluation. Yes, we have access to the findings and recommendations."

Roethlisberger's spokesman, agent Ryan Tollner, did not return telephone calls seeking comment.

Traumatic brain injury long has been a key concern of the NFL Players Association. In October, the union formed a special committee to study the diagnosis, treatment and prevention of brain injuries. Former Steelers wide receiver Sean Morey co-chairs it with Virginia's Dr. Thom Mayer, the union's medical director.

"Until we examine a lot of people like Ben Roethlisberger and study the histories of brain injury and relate them to exhibited behavior, we won't be able to answer the essential questions that need to be answered," Mayer said. "There's so much more we need to know."

That's why the NFL last week donated $1 million to Boston University to study chronic traumatic encephalopathy. Known simply as "CTE" or "punchdrunk syndrome," it's a degenerative brain condition that affects cognition and player conduct, eventually leading to dementia. Post-mortem examinations of the brains of Steelers Terry Long, Justin Strzelczyk and Hall of Fame center Mike Webster found evidence of the syndrome.

Strzelczyk died in a fiery 2004 explosion after ramming his vehicle into a truck filled with acid while trying to evade pursuing police cruisers. His marriage had ended in divorce, and he was dogged by rumors of drug use and depression.

Long committed suicide by drinking antifreeze in 2006, having previously suffered from broken relationships and facing federal charges of defrauding lenders and accusations that he burned down a chicken-processing plant.

Webster experienced dementia, sleep problems, memory loss and a broken marriage before succumbing to a heart attack in 2002.

"With Mike Webster, you had all the signs -- a failed business and marriage. He had become homeless. He was suicidal, depressed. This is typical of chronic traumatic encephalopathy," said West Virginia University neurosurgeon Julian Bailes and Iron Mike's physician.

Bailes refuses to weigh in on Roethlisberger but encourages more research into repetitive concussions and sub-concussive blows to the head and how they affect behavior.

"We've looked at 23 brains through autopsy now," said Bailes, who serves on the union's brain trauma committee. The syndrome "seems to manifest by affecting the emotional circuitry of the brain, and we need to look more into that."
There is no doubt that repeated brain traumas (like the extremely severe one Roethlisberger suffered in the motorcycle crash, followed by other on-field incidents) does affect the concussed person's brain in a negative way. Wayne Chrebet, who was concussed repeatedly during his career with the Jets (including on the final catch of his career, when his body's muscle memory still made the catch/play though he passed out from the concussion) still suffers severe side effects from his brain traumas, according to his page at Wikipedia (based on interviews he's given post-NFL-career).

I'm open to the notion that Ben Roethlisberger may have damaged neural functions, but even if this is the case the last thing he should be doing is further lowering his inhibitions with excessive amounts of alcohol. There is a pattern of chosen behavior that is leading BR into these personally damaging and potentially criminal situations. The people around him shouldn't be enabling him - which is why I think the commissioner was wise to insist on a full evaluation of Roethlisberger's mental state/health and his compliance with a course of treatment.

It may very well be that he'll need to be off the field longer than six games in order to deal with the complex web of potential brain damage, chemical dependency and predatory personality traits that have led Roethlisberger to this juncture in his life. Hopefully, he can return to health and a semblance of normal behavior rather than the luridly deviant actions the witnesses in Milledgeville described/alleged.

There are clearly serious issues here that need to be addressed for Mr. Roethlisberger's sake, and for the good of the people he encounters in the future, whether in the NFL or out of it.
I've been wondering about this for some time too. There is an interesting component here that is not covered specifically with the brief article. This isn't simply an issue of repeated concsussions as much as it is repeated concussions following a much more significant brain injury. His brain injury secondary to the motorcycle accident should really be explored more thoroughly now. The guy had a broken nose, jaw and a huge cut on the back of his head all of which followed a collision that sent his 6'-5" 240+ frame into the air and head first into a car and then head down into the street. Although doctors at the time said that he did not have any "serious" brain injury, physics alone would suggest that he could not have escaped without significant brain injury. His injury would be pretty diffuse but his frontal lobe would have been specifically damaged. That would be important in connection to his recent display of horrendous decisions. Not only is this the personality, reasoning and self-control center of the brain, but it is also used to review past consequences and potential outcomes of choices (i.e., thinking back and thinking ahead). Injuring that part of the brain that badly would have been bad enough for long-term problems and poor decisions. Now add in more damage from about 4 more concussions and add in alcohol which reduces decision making skills even further. If I am Ben's family I would be majorly concerned, and for reasons well beyond the recent events.

All this said, we need to know what he was really like before the injuries to see if there was a real change in behavior. I don't make a big deal of him not wearing the helmet while riding. That clearly is not smart, but it could be connected to a laid back attitude as much as a rebellious one with impulsive behavior. What I find strange is that back in 2004 he was fined for wearing PFJ (Play For Jesus) on his shoes. He sounded more like Tebow back then. If that was the case ... this could be ugly.

 
I have been around a lot of people through my work that were brain-injured by trauma. None have ever developed a pattern of getting teenage girls drunk and assaulting them. Occassional aggression, usually tied to frustration, although very rarely.

My sense is that Ben is just a jerk, has been all along, and it has just gotten more out of hand as the drinking and absence of consequences have played out.

How many of you would be real interested in excusing the conduct of John Doe, a fit and powerful 29-year-old abuser of underage women on a 'too many concussions' theory? Too many twinkies, anyone?

 
At one point last year I was listening to Bears radio (which I often do after a loss) and a caller suggested that Cutler threw interceptions because DIABEETUS affected his depth perception.

 
Dude is really into "pro" wrestling. Football players have a limited amout of time off during the season and that is how Big Ben spends his days off. I would never hire a 28 year old guy who thinks pro wrestling is cool. Big Ben's "problem" is that his IQ is probably around 90. Nothing he can do about that.

 
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I'm aware of this. He's not the one who came up with this theory...just reposting the thing. Some Steeler fans are just looking for an excuse imo. CrossEyed might not be one of 'em but he's not the entire Steeler fanbase.
Your comment seemed to be directed at me. Sorry for assuming this.
 
Perhaps the NFL can't risk letting him play anymore. If there is a possibility he is assualting young hottties (a rather specific concussion symptom) and they have considered that possibility then they would arguably bear some responsibility if he gets hit again and passes an all girl high school on the way home and does something untoward.

I guess I can forgive up to this point due to the organic injury, but now, with it being diagnosed, I think his career must end.

:nerd:

 
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Anything is possible. My pure guess is pretty unlikely. But I also would guess this theory will take off with many who want to feel better about rooting for Roethlisberger and the Steelers.

J

 
I would say alcohol would be the main contributing factor..Ben has been boozing pretty heavy since his college days. I highly doubt he would have tried to sexually assault any woman while sober.

 
Maybe. There are many people living the with the effects of brain injury and it's often nearly impossible to tell by looking at them or from most of their daily behaviors. My wife had a traumatic brain injury years ago and I'm always amazed, at the brain injury support groups and seminars, for most of the brain injury survivors, you can't tell anything's wrong by looking at them or in brief social encounters.

There are many high functioning brain injury survivors that have had more severe brain damage than Ben, so maybe it's possible that Ben is able to function as an NFL QB, yet still suffer some of the effects of a brain injury. Hard to imagine, but possible, I guess.

Didn't Ben have a bit of a rough childhood? If so, that would obviously be the much larger factor.

If the evidence grows that brain trauma is a factor in Ben's behavior, then the NFL needs to thank it's lucky stars for that motorcycle accident. I think the head injury issue is could do serious damage to the NFL at some point. The notion the NFL (like boxing) takes young men, beats their brains in and sends them back out into the world to attack women isn't a pretty thought. Obviously, that's overly simplistic, but simple works in the PR world. If any headway comes of this, the NFL will be glad they can blame most of it on the motorcycle accident and not their brutal game.

 
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Anything is possible. My pure guess is pretty unlikely. But I also would guess this theory will take off with many who want to feel better about rooting for Roethlisberger and the Steelers.J
I don't want to feel better about anything. In fact, I'd be happy if Ben never took another snap as Steeler QB.But at some point don't you think we need to separate our feelings as fans and be concerned for BR as a person? I want the guy to get help. It would be tragic if we wrote this all off as just drunken boorish behavior of an immature millionaire if brain trauma is a contributing factor. I'd hate to see Ben's life end like Mike Webster's, Justin Strzelcyk's, and Terry Long's ended.
 
Anything is possible. My pure guess is pretty unlikely. But I also would guess this theory will take off with many who want to feel better about rooting for Roethlisberger and the Steelers.J
I don't want to feel better about anything.
When Roethlisberger is your QB this season, you wouldn't prefer to feel better about cheering for him and your team than you do now?J
My point was that I'm not looking for excuses to cheer for him. I'm not even sure at this point if I'll watch him play.But I find it interesting that you only chose to respond to that part of my post.
 
The lump of flesh between Ben's legs is the chief contributor to Ben's bad behavior, not brain trauma. That and his groupie selection process is very flawed.

 
Anything is possible. My pure guess is pretty unlikely. But I also would guess this theory will take off with many who want to feel better about rooting for Roethlisberger and the Steelers.J
I don't want to feel better about anything.
When Roethlisberger is your QB this season, you wouldn't prefer to feel better about cheering for him and your team than you do now?J
If Ben's behavior is a result of brain trauma then he probably shouldn't set foot on a football field ever again.I think it is possible but I prefer a simpler explanation: Ben is an immature millionaire that believes that all women should feel privileged to service his needs & desires and thought that his stature as a star NFL QB meant he had nothing to fear from his actions.My guess is that he has learned that his actions nearly cost him his career and he will be on his best behavior from here on out.
 
Anything is possible. My pure guess is pretty unlikely. But I also would guess this theory will take off with many who want to feel better about rooting for Roethlisberger and the Steelers.J
I don't want to feel better about anything.
When Roethlisberger is your QB this season, you wouldn't prefer to feel better about cheering for him and your team than you do now?J
My point was that I'm not looking for excuses to cheer for him. I'm not even sure at this point if I'll watch him play.But I find it interesting that you only chose to respond to that part of my post.
I chose to respond to what I think is the heart of the issue. When Roethlisberger is your QB this season, would you prefer to feel better about cheering for him and your team than you do now? Would you?J
 
I'm open to the notion that Ben Roethlisberger may have damaged neural functions, but even if this is the case the last thing he should be doing is further lowering his inhibitions with excessive amounts of alcohol. There is a pattern of chosen behavior that is leading BR into these personally damaging and potentially criminal situations. The people around him shouldn't be enabling him - which is why I think the commissioner was wise to insist on a full evaluation of Roethlisberger's mental state/health and his compliance with a course of treatment.

It may very well be that he'll need to be off the field longer than six games in order to deal with the complex web of potential brain damage, chemical dependency and predatory personality traits that have led Roethlisberger to this juncture in his life. Hopefully, he can return to health and a semblance of normal behavior rather than the luridly deviant actions the witnesses in Milledgeville described/alleged.
Anyone suffering from mental health issues isn't likely to be making the best decisions. 'Choosing' to drink alcohol may be a symptom.
As I indicated, it appears there is a complex web of factors at work in this situation. However, I'm not willing to give Roethlisberger a pass for going out and boozing it up with an underage girl, and then separating her from her friends with his bodyguards once she was smashed, and then allegedly assaulting said girl. I think most people have concluded his actions were borderline criminal, if not actually criminal, and that he is a menace towards young women while boozing (which appears to be a regular thing for BR right now). The bottom line for me is that BR appears to have serious problems that need addressing before he further injures himself or the people who encounter him.

 
Anything is possible. My pure guess is pretty unlikely. But I also would guess this theory will take off with many who want to feel better about rooting for Roethlisberger and the Steelers.J
This. I admit I opened this thread a little hopeful and guilty about it.
 
Anything is possible. My pure guess is pretty unlikely. But I also would guess this theory will take off with many who want to feel better about rooting for Roethlisberger and the Steelers.J
I don't want to feel better about anything.
When Roethlisberger is your QB this season, you wouldn't prefer to feel better about cheering for him and your team than you do now?J
My point was that I'm not looking for excuses to cheer for him. I'm not even sure at this point if I'll watch him play.But I find it interesting that you only chose to respond to that part of my post.
I chose to respond to what I think is the heart of the issue. When Roethlisberger is your QB this season, would you prefer to feel better about cheering for him and your team than you do now? Would you?J
Another thing that I thought was troublesome was that the Steelers came out and said they are backing Ben 100% with his problems, yet they dump a young All-Pro WR because he had some issues with weed and threw a drink in someones face. They basically gave Holmes away.Could it possibly be because it is much harder to find or develop a All-Pro QB??
 
I chose to respond to what I think is the heart of the issue. When Roethlisberger is your QB this season, would you prefer to feel better about cheering for him and your team than you do now? Would you?J
You might need to think this through a little. The heart of the issue has nothing to do with football.ETA: And I've already stated multiple times before, I'm not even sure I'll be watching.
 
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Seems like most are confusing "factor" with "let's totally excuse his horrible behavior".

Ben, by definition, has had brain trauma/injury/damage (it all means the same thing). Each one very minor, but still multiple episodes of brain trauma. Ben's pattern of behavior fits with someone who's suffered head injury. It's very plausible that head injury is a factor. It makes sense that Goodell would have him evaluated. This isn't some made up #### like "secks addiction".

People seem to be getting worked up about the notion because they think the idea would be to excuse Ben from having to take responsibility for his choices or that the idea is to make Ben seem more likeable.

It doesn't have to be one or the other though. Ben's still (allegedly) a scumbag, even if part of his behavior can be attributed to brain injury. If brain injury is a factor, you'd still be free to hate him.

A scumbag with an excuse is still a scumbag.

 
I chose to respond to what I think is the heart of the issue. When Roethlisberger is your QB this season, would you prefer to feel better about cheering for him and your team than you do now? Would you?J
You might need to think this through a little. The heart of the issue has nothing to do with football.ETA: And I've already stated multiple times before, I'm not even sure I'll be watching.
Of course it has nothing to do with football. I think it has to do with justifying.Are you seriously saying you would not prefer to feel better about cheering for him than you do now? J
 
Another thing that I thought was troublesome was that the Steelers came out and said they are backing Ben 100% with his problems, yet they dump a young All-Pro WR because he had some issues with weed and threw a drink in someones face. They basically gave Holmes away.

Could it possibly be because it is much harder to find or develop a All-Pro QB??

Sure it is. Trading Ben off would set them back years. It's a business...sometimes immoral, unethical decisions are made by NFL clubs(hand is forced by the player)

 
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Look at Bens body of work?

The OP may absolutely have something here, however, when I look at Ben, I see a guy who has gained a boatload of weight, and his face has gotten chubby, along with a double chin.

Wonder what his weight was coming out of Miami Ohio, and what it is now. Looks sloppy

 
Another thing that I thought was troublesome was that the Steelers came out and said they are backing Ben 100% with his problems, yet they dump a young All-Pro WR because he had some issues with weed and threw a drink in someones face. They basically gave Holmes away.

Could it possibly be because it is much harder to find or develop a All-Pro QB??

Sure it is. Trading Ben off would set them back years. It's a business...sometimes immoral, unethical decisions are made by NFL clubs(hand is forced by the player)
Absolutely. It's exactly as Tomlin said (not talking about Roethlisberger) "I'll tolerate you until I can replace you". It's the way the world works. And yes, it's hypocritical if one were to claim moral high ground for cutting the lesser talented guy but not the better guy. Better to just be honest like Tomlin was there.

J

 
Another thing that I thought was troublesome was that the Steelers came out and said they are backing Ben 100% with his problems, yet they dump a young All-Pro WR because he had some issues with weed and threw a drink in someones face. They basically gave Holmes away.Could it possibly be because it is much harder to find or develop a All-Pro QB??
Completely different situation. Holmes is in the final year of his contract and the Steelers weren't going to re-sign him because he already stated he wanted to play for a big market team. They traded 12 games of Holmes in 2010 for a 5th round pick that they used to reacquire starting CB Bryant McFadden and a potential steal in RB Jonathan Dwyer in the 6th round.And teh answer is YES, it much harder to find/develop a QB than WR.
 
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