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Could JERRY PORTER get traded (1 Viewer)

BustedKnuckles

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Davis amenable to dealing Porter

Al Davis gave Jerry Porter a $13 million bonus last year as part of a contract extension to stay with the Oakland Raiders. But with the disgruntled wide receiver not embracing Art Shell's program, the Raiders owner seems willing to cut his losses.

Porter told The San Francisco Chronicle last week that he wants to be traded.

"He's got his reasons for saying what he did," Davis told USA TODAY on Monday. "He knows he has an opportunity to be traded. He's obviously going to have to give some money back if it does happen."

Davis says it's normal that not every player would agree with Shell's style.

"It has nothing to do with Art's authority," Davis says.

Porter told The Chronicle that differences began when he told Shell last spring that his "batteries are not charged," that he didn't like the way things were run with the team and that he would work out in Florida rather than in the offseason program in Oakland.

Shell has dismissed the issue as minor, a point Davis backs. Porter, a second-round pick in 2000 who led the team in receiving once in six seasons (2004), was projected as the No. 2 receiver after Randy Moss.

Dealing Porter without a signing bonus payback would be a difficult salary-cap move, given that $6.45 million in acceleration would be counted against the cap this year if he is traded or released.

The wide receiver position is a strength for Oakland. Promising talents include Doug Gabriel, Carlos Francis, Johnnie Morant and Ronald Curry.

Says Davis: "We have some other people who can catch the ball. That may be on someone's mind, too."

--By Jarrett Bell, USA TODAY

 
What is so diffrent about Shell's style of footbaall? Anyone here know?
Old-fashioned camp An old-school aura permeates throughout the Raiders' camp, and not simply because Shell is a blast from the late 1970s and early '80s, when they won two Super Bowls and perennially qualified for the playoffs.

Shell issued a message about toughness by opening camp with four consecutive days of two-a-day practices. On Day 3, he had players colliding in a "pit drill" that is considered one of football's most grueling as it pits a ballcarrier against a defender, one-on-one, in a small alley formed by surrounding players.

Few teams have consecutive days of two-a-days, with the trend in camps moving toward preservation after extensive offseason programs.

"There's nothing worse than two-a-days," says Sapp. "But there's a hardening with what we're doing every game. You become what you repeatedly do in this game."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nf...ell-cover_x.htm

 
Would like to see Porter as the #2 for the Patriots...

anyone know what his salary stats are like? I know he got that signing bonus last year.

 
Porter told The San Francisco Chronicle last week that he wants to be traded.

"He's got his reasons for saying what he did," Davis told USA TODAY on Monday. "He knows he has an opportunity to be traded. He's obviously going to have to give some money back if it does happen."
:own3d: al 1, jerry 0

 
Would like to see Porter as the #2 for the Patriots...anyone know what his salary stats are like? I know he got that signing bonus last year.
porter is such a me guy that i would be hard pressed to come up with a player less patriot-like...i really can't see them taking on a headache like that...
 
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what teams have a need?

atlanta- i could see him here

ne- not a "patriot" kinda guy but neither was cory dillion

min- can they trust k-rob

sf- they need help at every position excpet te

philly- todd pinkston

buffalo- how will lee evans fair w/ out moulds

jax- they have a bunch of #3 trying to be 2's

gb- driver then ............... the rest (looking like a rookie will be #2)

sea- jackson's knee

det- is roy healthy, are any of the others worthy

i'm sure if he agrees pay back some bonus $, it'll only be because he gets a new deal from what ever team he gets traded to. i'm not sure what teams still have cap space

 
Would like to see Porter as the #2 for the Patriots...anyone know what his salary stats are like? I know he got that signing bonus last year.
porter is such a me guy that i would be hard pressed to come up with a player less patriot-like...i really can't see them taking on a headache like that...
cory dillion wasn't considered a patriot-like guy
i'm not sure if dillon had a rep as being selfish & immature like porter... i remember dillon being vocal about wanting to leave CIN at the time, but not sure if he was widely perceived as being a bad guy?
 
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Would like to see Porter as the #2 for the Patriots...anyone know what his salary stats are like? I know he got that signing bonus last year.
porter is such a me guy that i would be hard pressed to come up with a player less patriot-like...i really can't see them taking on a headache like that...
Are you kidding? They traded for Sullivan for cripes sake.All bets were off after that move...
 
Would like to see Porter as the #2 for the Patriots...anyone know what his salary stats are like? I know he got that signing bonus last year.
porter is such a me guy that i would be hard pressed to come up with a player less patriot-like...i really can't see them taking on a headache like that...
cory dillion wasn't considered a patriot-like guy
i'm not sure if dillon had a rep as being selfish & immature like porter... i remember dillon being vocal about wanting to leave CIN at the time, but not sure if he was widely perceived as being a bad guy?
Yeah, Dillon's always been a big me-first kind of guy. Much worse than Porter, actually.
 
at the time of the trade, sullivan had a rep as an overweight underachiever seemingly without a lot of desire to reach his potential...

if he had a rep as a selfish, non-team player than i missed that...

shortly after, he did get busted for pot so i guess he isn't a choir boy... but that was AFTER the trade...

its possible that belichick had him highly rated coming out of college, & thought they could light a fire under him... given that they basically got him for nothing (traded bethel johnson, who was a likely cut anyway), it wasn't necessarily a disastrous experiment...

porter i'm guessing would cost more than a throw away player like bethel johnson...

i'm not saying that if you racks your brain you may not be able to come up with a name or two from pats that seemingly don't seem to fit the profile of "their kind of player"... there are usually exceptions to any rule, & possibly porter could be another one...

but its hardly an absurd or controversial statement to suggest that they have stockpiled a lot of team players on their roster that don't seem to have a lot in common with porter...

 
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Would like to see Porter as the #2 for the Patriots...anyone know what his salary stats are like? I know he got that signing bonus last year.
porter is such a me guy that i would be hard pressed to come up with a player less patriot-like...i really can't see them taking on a headache like that...
cory dillion wasn't considered a patriot-like guy
i'm not sure if dillon had a rep as being selfish & immature like porter... i remember dillon being vocal about wanting to leave CIN at the time, but not sure if he was widely perceived as being a bad guy?
Yeah, Dillon's always been a big me-first kind of guy. Much worse than Porter, actually.
maroney was just praising dillon for how helpful he has been showing him the ropes... possibly he has changed... is there anything specific he has done with the pats as an example of selfishness?* when i googled selfish with dillon (18,500 hits)... with porter (112,000 hits)...but i'm sure there are a lot of spurious hits from both searches... :)
 
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The Patriots trading for Sullivan is a non-factor - he's simply a flier. Even with the WR lack of depth, Bethel Johnson was no lock to make the final roster...and neither is Sullivan.

 
He's gonna rot. See who wants a 30 year old, never-has-been when this contract is up and he'll make less for the length of his career than he would if he would buy his way out of Oakland... which is exactly what Al Davis wants. Drop him for free or take away the best years of his career.

 
maroney was just praising dillon for how helpful he has been showing him the ropes... possibly he has changed... is there anything specific he has done with the pats as an example of selfishness?* when i googled selfish with dillon (18,500 hits)... with porter (112,000 hits)...but i'm sure there are a lot of spurious hits from both searches... :)
I never said that Dillon was a selfish me-first player. I'm just saying that, at the time he was sent to New England, the perception of Corey Dillon was that he was a selfish me-first player.To be honest, I don't pretend to know any of these players. The media spins everything, and can make anyone at all look like a good guy, or a bad guy, when really they're probably somewhere in-between. I don't know who is selfish, and who is unselfish. I just know that the general consensus was that, when Dillon went to New England, that he was a very "un-patriot-like" player.
 
In a moment of hilarity, I considered the Jets sending Doug Jolley back to Oakland for Jerry Porter.

More seriously, I wouldn't be shocked to see the Jets go for him. They desperately need speed and big-play ability at the WR position, and Porter is young enough to be of interest. His character may be a bit questionable, but the WRs are the most veteran unit on the offense, so Mangini might be willing to take the risk. The guy certainly displayed some character with his off-season program.

 
He's gonna rot. See who wants a 30 year old, never-has-been when this contract is up and he'll make less for the length of his career than he would if he would buy his way out of Oakland... which is exactly what Al Davis wants. Drop him for free or take away the best years of his career.
:goodposting: See Marcus Allen for a good comp when the player falls on the wrong side of Davis.
 
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maroney was just praising dillon for how helpful he has been showing him the ropes... possibly he has changed... is there anything specific he has done with the pats as an example of selfishness?* when i googled selfish with dillon (18,500 hits)... with porter (112,000 hits)...but i'm sure there are a lot of spurious hits from both searches... :)
I never said that Dillon was a selfish me-first player. I'm just saying that, at the time he was sent to New England, the perception of Corey Dillon was that he was a selfish me-first player.To be honest, I don't pretend to know any of these players. The media spins everything, and can make anyone at all look like a good guy, or a bad guy, when really they're probably somewhere in-between. I don't know who is selfish, and who is unselfish. I just know that the general consensus was that, when Dillon went to New England, that he was a very "un-patriot-like" player.
I agree with SSOG. I recall a lot of negative talk of this sort about Dillon at the time he was traded to NE.
 
Quote of the day: "If someone offers us the choice we want or a representative player and the $4 million bonus he took from us this year, we'll respond. They've got to get it done. The agent has known this since the draft, and before the draft he knew what he had to do. He couldn't get it done." -- Raiders owner Al Davis on wide receiver Jerry Porter's trade request this offseason :popcorn:

 
maroney was just praising dillon for how helpful he has been showing him the ropes... possibly he has changed... is there anything specific he has done with the pats as an example of selfishness?* when i googled selfish with dillon (18,500 hits)... with porter (112,000 hits)...but i'm sure there are a lot of spurious hits from both searches... :)
I never said that Dillon was a selfish me-first player. I'm just saying that, at the time he was sent to New England, the perception of Corey Dillon was that he was a selfish me-first player.To be honest, I don't pretend to know any of these players. The media spins everything, and can make anyone at all look like a good guy, or a bad guy, when really they're probably somewhere in-between. I don't know who is selfish, and who is unselfish. I just know that the general consensus was that, when Dillon went to New England, that he was a very "un-patriot-like" player.
I agree with SSOG. I recall a lot of negative talk of this sort about Dillon at the time he was traded to NE.
some of the negative publicity dillon attracted may have been due to being an outspoken critic of the CIN organization... they were one of the first professional teams in any sport i can remember that was paranoid enough to institute a no bad mouthing the team policy, punishable by fine (or written into contract that salary could be withheld)... don't think he was the genesis of it (carl pickens?)... but in retrospect, dillon was spot on... CIN WAS a dysfunctional organization, so in that sense he was prescient... look how well they have done since they got some competent leadership in marvin lewis...but before that time they had a rep as an organization of being cheap, & miserly in ways that crippled the franchise for years (having the smallest scouting staff in the NFL, for one example)... so in dillon's case, i might cut him some slack for that... were thomas jefferson & ben franklin malcontents for being outspoken critics of the system they found themselves embedded in...& that is probably the first & last time you will ever hear dillon compared to jefferson & franklin at FBG... :)
 
& that is probably the first & last time you will ever hear dillon compared to jefferson & franklin at FBG... :)
That's not true. For instance:Q: What's the difference between Corey Dillon and Benjamin Franklin?A: Ben Franklin's still good for a hundred.
 
Gabriel is running as the #2 with Alvis in the slot. Porter is not even on the field w/ the starting O. Must be his 'calf strain.' ;)

 
SSOG said:
& that is probably the first & last time you will ever hear dillon compared to jefferson & franklin at FBG... :)
That's not true. For instance:Q: What's the difference between Corey Dillon and Benjamin Franklin?A: Ben Franklin's still good for a hundred.
Q: What's the difference between Ron Dayne and Benjamin Franklin?A: Dayne never was good for a hundred.
 
Would like to see Porter as the #2 for the Patriots...anyone know what his salary stats are like? I know he got that signing bonus last year.
porter is such a me guy that i would be hard pressed to come up with a player less patriot-like...i really can't see them taking on a headache like that...
cory dillion wasn't considered a patriot-like guy
i'm not sure if dillon had a rep as being selfish & immature like porter... i remember dillon being vocal about wanting to leave CIN at the time, but not sure if he was widely perceived as being a bad guy?
Yeah, Dillon's always been a big me-first kind of guy. Much worse than Porter, actually.
I disagree with this. He had some of that rep in the media but I think think it was largely inaccurate. If you catch some of the detailed mic'd up stuff with him when Rudi Johnson had become the favorite and the conversations between Dillon and Lewis, he sounds nothing like his rep.J
 
I disagree with this. He had some of that rep in the media but I think think it was largely inaccurate. If you catch some of the detailed mic'd up stuff with him when Rudi Johnson had become the favorite and the conversations between Dillon and Lewis, he sounds nothing like his rep.J
Yeah, and I always try to make a big point, when I discuss players, to emphasise that I personally do not know any NFL players. All I know about NFL players is how the media portrays them- and the media, as has been demonstrated, often slants the truth to the very limits of reality.I think it's an important distinction to make when discussing someone to clarify that they aren't necessarily a low-character, me-first guy... they're just PORTRAYED as a low-character, me-first guy.Now, if you write a low-character, me-first autobiography, then all bets are off. There's no media spinning that, that's just you being an idiot. Keyshawn Johnson and Terrell Owens, I'm looking at you.
 
Also low-character in the bad manners/me-first sort of way doesn't translate into a guy being not hard-working or passionate about the game. I'm also looking at TO and Keyshawn (and Steve Smith, Joe Horn, Shannon Sharpe, Bill Romanowski, Deion Sanders, etc.)

All I can say is Jerry Porter sure looks like he worked his #### off in the offseason. He might be an unpleasant person, but he looks like he's willing to work.

 
I disagree with this. He had some of that rep in the media but I think think it was largely inaccurate. If you catch some of the detailed mic'd up stuff with him when Rudi Johnson had become the favorite and the conversations between Dillon and Lewis, he sounds nothing like his rep.J
Yeah, and I always try to make a big point, when I discuss players, to emphasise that I personally do not know any NFL players. All I know about NFL players is how the media portrays them- and the media, as has been demonstrated, often slants the truth to the very limits of reality.I think it's an important distinction to make when discussing someone to clarify that they aren't necessarily a low-character, me-first guy... they're just PORTRAYED as a low-character, me-first guy.Now, if you write a low-character, me-first autobiography, then all bets are off. There's no media spinning that, that's just you being an idiot. Keyshawn Johnson and Terrell Owens, I'm looking at you.
:goodposting:J
 
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it also always helps if you are one of the top players in the league... TOs compelling talent keeps getting teams to come back for his services...

i don't know if dillon was ever one of the top 3 RBs in the NFL like TO is undoubtedly in his WR domain...

but dillon in his prime was really, really good... he somewhat labored in obscurity during his prime years in the NFL siberia that was the then bungles (before they turned corner with miracle worker marvin lewis), but he had some monster efforts... broke both the rookie single game rushing yardage record & several years later the NFL single game rushing yard record... imo, the team & fans can take the attitude better if it is accompanied by world class talent...

i'm not sure if i would put porter quite in the class of TO or dillon in his prime (& dillon could be a red herring here anyway or moot point if he wasn't a me guy)... i thought he did his best work when he was the WR3 & got a lot of mismatches against nickle CB...

he has occassional outbursts, & maybe his less than stellar numbers in recent years can be traced to erratic QB play, but i'm not convinced that if he didn't have moss across from him, he would be able to do all the things TO does as a well rounded WR to be a legit, consistently productive WR1... he might be not much better than a pretty good complementary WR, not an elite, blue chip talent. which could cause a disconnect if that is how he is views himself, & the basis on which the raiders are guaging his trade value...

leaving out the surreal situation in ARI with 1A & 1B WRs, reggie wayne might be the gold standard for great WR2s, & i would rather have wayne than porter, so he may not even be as good as the best WR2s in the league...

 
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Also low-character in the bad manners/me-first sort of way doesn't translate into a guy being not hard-working or passionate about the game. I'm also looking at TO and Keyshawn (and Steve Smith, Joe Horn, Shannon Sharpe, Bill Romanowski, Deion Sanders, etc.)

All I can say is Jerry Porter sure looks like he worked his #### off in the offseason. He might be an unpleasant person, but he looks like he's willing to work.
His abs anyway. Crunches Porter apparently couldn't find any time to stretch this summer, because he pulled up with a 'calf' injury Day 1 of camp.

I'm not saying he's faking it....but........And even if the injury is legit, it's another nagging injury in a long history of nagging injuries.

There are some major red flags with this guy.

1. He has the aforementioned injury history. Some were freak, but a lot were little muscle pulls and such.

2. With nary a 1000 yard season, or a 10 TD season, he got his contract extended, and got handed a 4 mill SB. This was very quickly done, there wasn't even word that his agent was in talks. A sign that he is/was an Al Davis favorite. No contentious negotiations, and he pulls this crap one year after getting his new deal? That's why no one on the Raiders is backing him, because they know he has nothing to be upset about.

3. His biggest problem with the new regime is how hard they appear to be working him. Which coach wants that?

4. His tendency to disappear for games at a time.

5. Lack of competitiveness. Insert Lelie's story, but substitue Rod Smith for Rice, Brown, and Moss.

Al Davis is on record as saying he'll trade him, if they get the deal they want, and he gets the signing bonus back. That's Al's way of saying Porter can go jump in a lake. I don't see any way Porter gets what he wants in this. Davis doesn't get pushed around by his players (see: Marcus Allen), and I see no way Al takes a lesser deal just to rid himself of a headache. He'll let him rot on the sideline first. The Raiders have depth at WR, and the prohibitive cap hit they'd take might be more valuable than any draft pick they may get in trade.

The funny thing is, I could see him being a value pick in some drafts. I'm in the midst of a draft now, and we are 49 receivers in, and he has yet to be drafted. I'm keeping my eye on him, and may take a flyer on him soon. Because I think there's a decent chance Porter sees the writing on he wall, and makes some sort of peace with Shell. Other players have made more noise in TC, and come back to become valuable players, once they realized they can't get what they want. As a WR5, he might be worth the risk.

 
3. His biggest problem with the new regime is how hard they appear to be working him. Which coach wants that?
I disagree with this part! I think he has a problem with the coaching staff because of them questioning him. He feels slighted and they basically got in his face about needing time away to "re-charge!" Thus, he has issue with Shell and his other coaches. Porter has shown that he doesn't mind working out hard, it just on a personal level with him and the coaches.That is why another team would give Porter a chance IMO. Before this, Porter could be moody, but there is a reason why Al Davis likes this guy. Al Davis hasn't slammed him, he just stated he's lost right now. If Porter is willing to give back money (ala what Lavar did), I see another team taking a chance on him and things working out well for everyone. Not saying Porter will be a stud, he'll perform and then fad away in the NFL sunset when he retires.
 
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