Could this years Brandon Lloyd be........ another Bronco? (1 Viewer)

[NBusiness]

Could this years out of nowhere receiver be Eddie Royal? Let me start by saying i am in no way thinking he could end up as the number 1 fantasy receiver ala B. Lloyd. But looking more along the lines of a receiver who's been around a few years, had a very good fantasy year where he showed big time promise, and has been forgotten in fantasy circles - this definitely defines eddie royal. Consider his rookie 08 season he ended up with 91 receptions 5 tds and 980 yards. This was a mike shanahan team in 08. In 09 , this first year of a Josh McD regime, Royal became a forgotten man with 14 games played and only 37 receptions. Last year in 16 games he registered 59/627/3 . Wether his skill set was not a scheme match for a McD offense or a personality clash he never seemed to be trusted much in either of the two McD seasons. His 2010 stats seem pretty ok but are inflated 8/98 and a 8/113 games that bring his numbers to a very pedestrian level.

As for the parallels between this year and his rookie that might make him a serviceable 3/4 fantasy ppr wr- It was definitely the attention that a breaking out Brandon Marshall received in 08 that enabled Royal to be open and effective. Last years breakout WR, Brandon Lloyd will demand plenty of defensive attention this year. Only pause on Eddie having a good year again is his hip injury recovery but he has played in the preseason and seems healed. Plus the fact that John Fox is notoriously run heavy but Steve Smith and Muhsin Muhammad had great years for Fox so that can't be a huge concern.

Ultimately, for a guy who is going undrafted or very late almost everywhere, this could be a huge value play as 3/4 WR.

Prediction- 78/902/7

 

[eaglesfan7]

Brandon Lloyd was the number one receiver last year?

 

[NBusiness]

certain scoring systems yes

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

12 team money league PPR redraft with 18 rounds. WR's get-.7pts per catch. Loved my 17th round pick of Kendall Hunter. My pick 18.06 rolls around and Eddie Royal is still on the board so I take him as my last pick. I think he has good upside this year. He's supposedly healthy. Yeah, Fox will run the ball into the ground but you gotta score points and as 'Jaws' says points come out of the passing game.No doubt teams will be focusing on Lopyd which opens up Royal a bit. I hear he is going to play the Z receiver which usually gets a lot of targets in their system.Not sure if that's the best spot for him or if he'd do better out of the slot. Still there's 2 guys he'll have to battle for targets. Eric Decker who some think will make a big leap this year and rookie TE Julius Thomas.

Right now Royal is listed as a starter and the #2 behind Lloyd. I don't think he's going to be the 2010 version of Lloyd but I'm betting on him getting decent production. I think he could get 50-60 catches,600-700 yds and 5-6 tds. I'll definitely take that as my last pick in the draft.

 

[baconisgood]

I've looked at Royal pretty closely and he is enticing in PPR leagues especially after I read how he injured his hip (and needed off season surgery) in the first game last season. Problem is that he is having issues with his other hip in preseason this year.

The other problems are the Lloyd looks good, Decker looks good and Julian Thomas looks good. Royal could have a surprise season and only end up with 55/700/4 because of the number of weapons. A big part of Lloyd's production last year was the fact that he was the only WR really producing.

 

[JAA]

12 team money league PPR redraft with 18 rounds. WR's get-.7pts per catch. Loved my 17th round pick of Kendall Hunter. My pick 18.06 rolls around and Eddie Royal is still on the board so I take him as my last pick.

who did you pass over in the 15 and 16 when you took your kicker and defense? Or did you take them in the 5th and 6th rounds?

 

[Topes]

Brandon Lloyd was the number one receiver last year?

In the two leagues I'm in, he was #1 last year.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I will probably take a chance that Decker is the guy to have....not Royal....

 

[Funkley]

I will probably take a chance that Decker is the guy to have....not Royal....

Yeah, I expected this thread to be about Decker.

 

[timschochet]

Since I drafted him, I am really hoping that this year's Brandon Lloyd is Brandon Lloyd.

 

[rascal]

Since I drafted him, I am really hoping that this year's Brandon Lloyd is Brandon Lloyd.

Paid 6% for him in my auction league. Got him, Percy, Steve Johnson, and Santonio Holmes for 23% of my budget.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I've looked at Royal pretty closely and he is enticing in PPR leagues especially after I read how he injured his hip (and needed off season surgery) in the first game last season. Problem is that he is having issues with his other hip in preseason this year.

The other problems are the Lloyd looks good, Decker looks good and Julian Thomas looks good. Royal could have a surprise season and only end up with 55/700/4 because of the number of weapons. A big part of Lloyd's production last year was the fact that he was the only WR really producing.

Jabar gafney had 65 catches for 875 yards. If it wasn't for the 2 tds he wouldn't be so forgotten by FFers.

 

[SSOG]

Ummm... if Eddie Royal finishes as a WR3/4, then he is not this year's Brandon Lloyd. "This year's Brandon Lloyd" would be a receiver going extremely late in drafts who winds up being a fantasy WR1. It sounds to me like you generated a title to try to draw eyeballs, but you ended with one that is wildly at odds with your own statements in this thread.

More on topic, I prefer Royal to Decker in redraft leagues.

 

[NBusiness]

Sorry you couldn't comprehend the first couple sentences of the post.

 

[SSOG]

Sorry you couldn't comprehend the first couple sentences of the post.

I comprehended the first sentences just fine. I'm saying that what you described in the first sentences is not what you described in the title. It'd be like if I started a thread titled "could A.J. Green be the next Randy Moss?", and the first sentences essentially said that I was projecting him to finish this year as WR30. If he finishes at WR30, he's not this year's Randy Moss. Likewise, if Eddie Royal finishes the year as a fantasy WR3, he's not this year's Brandon Lloyd, no matter how you try to spin it. Titling the thread as you've done is disingenuous, because everyone who reads that title is going to assume that you're predicting that a Broncos WR (presumably either Royal or Decker) will finish this season as an out-of-nowhere fantasy WR1 (possibly even the overall #1 WR).It's misleading, it's sensationalistic, and it serves no purpose. I believe that dishonest titles like that should be discouraged, so I'm doing my part to discourage them. A better title for this thread might be "are we all overlooking Eddie Royal?", or "Could Eddie Royal be a WR3 this year?". Those titles aren't as sexy, but they have the advantage of offering truth in advertising.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

who did you pass over in the 15 and 16 when you took your kicker and defense? Or did you take them in the 5th and 6th rounds?

Jet defense round 15 and Neil Rackers in 16. Wanted only 1 kicker and Rackers has a week 11 bye. I'll play waiver wire defense if I have to. Round 16 consisted of 5PK's,1 DEF, TE Gresham, 3 QB's(Newton,Campbell,T.Jackson),Jason Hill & Deion Branch. So I didn't really pass over anyone That worthwhile to take my kicker. Especially since 5 kickers were taken that round as well.

 

[Shermanator]

How often has a receiver led the entire league in yards, then the following year not even lead his own team in yards?

I have to assume not very often

 

[Shane Falco]

I will probably take a chance that Decker is the guy to have....not Royal....

Yeah, I expected this thread to be about Decker.

me too and FWIW- I predict Lloyd turns back into a pumpkin. Just another body on the scrapheap of one year wonders

 

[OddibeMcD]

How often has a receiver led the entire league in yards, then the following year not even lead his own team in yards? I have to assume not very often

04 Mush led NFL in yards, 05 S. Smith led Panthers in yards01 Boston led the NFL in receiving, in 02 he put up 512 yards (amazingly, still good enough to lead the Cardinals)97 R. Moore led the NFL in yards, in 98 F. Sanders led the Cardinals96 Ike Bruce led the NFL in yards, in 97 Amp Lee led the Rams in Rec. yardsThat's 3 in the past 15 years and 1 more that should have been and gave you nothing in FF production.

 

[Grahamburn]

I will probably take a chance that Decker is the guy to have....not Royal....

Yeah, I expected this thread to be about Decker.

me too and FWIW- I predict Lloyd turns back into a pumpkin. Just another body on the scrapheap of one year wonders

Predicting injury or ineffectiveness? He's still the WR1, Orton is still the QB, and word around TC suggests Lloyd is still making plenty of highlight reel plays.

 

[Otis]

Royal had a 90+ reception season when healthy two years ago. He was actually on that pace for a bit last season before falling off hard (I suspect due to health issues). I see no reason he can't be a big surprise and outperform his ADP significantly this year now that he's healthy.

@hawkscreech

 

[pghrob]

It is often noted that John Fox is bringing his run oriented offense with him to Denver. How accurate is this? Was not Fox a defensive coordinator prior to his HC roles? Didn't Denver retain offensive coordinator Mike McCoy who last year ran the Josh McDaniels system that produced an amazing year for both Orton and Lloyd? Granted McCoy did work for Fox for 7 years when both were with Carolina. Do any Denver homers know if McCoy is keeping some vestiges of the McDaniels playbook?

 

[cubd8]

Couldn't Moreno be the breakout player on Denver? He hasn't done much in 2 seasons to provide confidence, but isn't this year to make or break?

 

[Shane Falco]

I will probably take a chance that Decker is the guy to have....not Royal....

Yeah, I expected this thread to be about Decker.

me too and FWIW- I predict Lloyd turns back into a pumpkin. Just another body on the scrapheap of one year wonders

Predicting injury or ineffectiveness? He's still the WR1, Orton is still the QB, and word around TC suggests Lloyd is still making plenty of highlight reel plays.

To quote Emmitt Smith "A leopard can't change his stripes". He'll turn back into a pumpkin

Royal had a 90+ reception season when healthy two years ago. He was actually on that pace for a bit last season before falling off hard (I suspect due to health issues). I see no reason he can't be a big surprise and outperform his ADP significantly this year now that he's healthy.@hawkscreech

terrible shtick

It is often noted that John Fox is bringing his run oriented offense with him to Denver. How accurate is this? Was not Fox a defensive coordinator prior to his HC roles? Didn't Denver retain offensive coordinator Mike McCoy who last year ran the Josh McDaniels system that produced an amazing year for both Orton and Lloyd? Granted McCoy did work for Fox for 7 years when both were with Carolina. Do any Denver homers know if McCoy is keeping some vestiges of the McDaniels playbook?

Agree, I keep reading about Fox but he's a DC not an OC

Couldn't Moreno be the breakout player on Denver? He hasn't done much in 2 seasons to provide confidence, but isn't this year to make or break?

He's not a WR and that seems to be what this thread is about

 

[SSOG]

Predicting injury or ineffectiveness? He's still the WR1, Orton is still the QB, and word around TC suggests Lloyd is still making plenty of highlight reel plays.

To quote Emmitt Smith "A leopard can't change his stripes". He'll turn back into a pumpkin

Joe Horn. Jimmy Smith. Eddie McCaffrey. Drew Hill. Sometimes, leopards can change their stripes.

Royal had a 90+ reception season when healthy two years ago. He was actually on that pace for a bit last season before falling off hard (I suspect due to health issues). I see no reason he can't be a big surprise and outperform his ADP significantly this year now that he's healthy.

@hawkscreech

Royal's problem wasn't health, his problem was McDaniels. McDaniels' offense called for receivers to make reads in mid-route and adjust on the fly. Eddie Royal was terrible at it- he never figured it out. Word is that Fox has Royal running more traditional route concepts in camp, and Eddie's been flourishing again as a result.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Royal had a 90+ reception season when healthy two years ago. He was actually on that pace for a bit last season before falling off hard (I suspect due to health issues). I see no reason he can't be a big surprise and outperform his ADP significantly this year now that he's healthy.

@hawkscreech

Royal's problem wasn't health, his problem was McDaniels. McDaniels' offense called for receivers to make reads in mid-route and adjust on the fly. Eddie Royal was terrible at it- he never figured it out. Word is that Fox has Royal running more traditional route concepts in camp, and Eddie's been flourishing again as a result.

Interesting information here SSOG, and if true (I'll give you the benefit), very insightful.However, I have to take issue with your dismissal of Royal's injury issues last season.

Eddie Royal's post-season hip surgery stemmed from an injury that occurred in the 2010 season opener.

Royal and Broncos trainers had trouble pinpointing the injury, and it eventually led to thigh and groin issues. Royal averaged six catches and 75 yards over the first month, but his production tailed off the rest of the way while fighting through the injury.

Jul 29 - 1:58 PM

Source: Denver Post

 

[SSOG]

Interesting information here SSOG, and if true (I'll give you the benefit), very insightful.

However, I have to take issue with your dismissal of Royal's injury issues last season.

Eddie Royal's post-season hip surgery stemmed from an injury that occurred in the 2010 season opener.

Royal and Broncos trainers had trouble pinpointing the injury, and it eventually led to thigh and groin issues. Royal averaged six catches and 75 yards over the first month, but his production tailed off the rest of the way while fighting through the injury.

Jul 29 - 1:58 PM

Source: Denver Post

I'm not saying Eddie Royal's health wasn't a problem. I'm saying that Eddie Royal's problem wasn't his health. He was not at all suited for McDaniels' offense, and McDaniels refused to make any exceptions or concessions to tailor his scheme to the skills of the players he had (which is why he traded away Cutler, Hillis, Scheffler, et al). I've heard from several people (including, iirc, Lammey) that Royal was completely lost in McDaniels' offense, but that he looks right at home in Fox's. The camp reports on him are night and day, and obviously comparing camp reports means comparing him today to him before his injury last season.

 

[Shane Falco]

Predicting injury or ineffectiveness? He's still the WR1, Orton is still the QB, and word around TC suggests Lloyd is still making plenty of highlight reel plays.

To quote Emmitt Smith "A leopard can't change his stripes". He'll turn back into a pumpkin

Joe Horn. Jimmy Smith. Eddie McCaffrey. Drew Hill. Sometimes, leopards can change their stripes.

Which one of these took 8 years to develop? None was really an off-field issue/ undeserved prima donna like BL was. Maybe I'm just not getting your connection but most of these guys were trying to stay in the NFL.Horn was an UDFA who blew up as soon as he switched to his second team. Bad decision by KCJimmy Smith- From Wiki- Smith was drafted in the second round of the 1992 NFL Draft out of Jackson State University. He spent two injury-plagued seasons with Dallas. After missing much of the 1992 season with a broken leg, early in 1993 he underwent an emergency appendectomy which led to a severe infection and was nearly fatal. In the aftermath, a dispute broke out between Smith and Cowboy owner Jerry Jones, who claimed that, since the condition wasn't football related, the Cowboys should not have to pay Smith for the 1993 season[citation needed]. Smith spent all of 1993 on the injured reserve list.Before the 1994 season, Smith was cut by the Cowboys. He was subsequently signed by the Philadelphia Eagles but was cut before the 1994 season began.totally different situation than Lloyd IMOEddie McCaffrey- Flashed potential with NYG but was never utilized or seen as a top WR for the team. Really only had one huge season and 3 other "good seasons" Drew Hill- the 12 round pick who started as a KR (cause he was tiny)then has some big seasons in a run and shoot offense? not really the same issues

 

[BobbyLayne]

Interesting information here SSOG, and if true (I'll give you the benefit), very insightful.

However, I have to take issue with your dismissal of Royal's injury issues last season.

Eddie Royal's post-season hip surgery stemmed from an injury that occurred in the 2010 season opener.

Royal and Broncos trainers had trouble pinpointing the injury, and it eventually led to thigh and groin issues. Royal averaged six catches and 75 yards over the first month, but his production tailed off the rest of the way while fighting through the injury.

Jul 29 - 1:58 PM

Source: Denver Post

I'm not saying Eddie Royal's health wasn't a problem. I'm saying that Eddie Royal's problem wasn't his health. He was not at all suited for McDaniels' offense, and McDaniels refused to make any exceptions or concessions to tailor his scheme to the skills of the players he had (which is why he traded away Cutler, Hillis, Scheffler, et al). I've heard from several people (including, iirc, Lammey) that Royal was completely lost in McDaniels' offense, but that he looks right at home in Fox's. The camp reports on him are night and day, and obviously comparing camp reports means comparing him today to him before his injury last season.

I'm nothing casual hobbyist who doesn't spend 1% of the amount of time you might on FF, but now I'm wondering if you don't have your years mixed up.2008 DEN 15 91 980 10.8 93 5

2009 DEN 14 37 345 9.3 20 0

2010 DEN 16 59 627 10.6 41 3

August 2010 FGBs article on Eddie Royal

Pasquino writes about Eddie Royal's struggles in his first year under Josh McDaniel's system.

2010 Game logs - 1st 4 games

Sun 9/12 @ JAC 17-24 8 98 12.3 25 0

Sun 9/19 vs SEA 31-14 5 65 13.0 34 1

Sun 9/26 vs IND 13-27 4 23 5.8 18 0

Sun 10/3 @ TEN 26-20 8 113 14.1 41 1

Pretty ugly thereafter (one game 6-74-1, the other 11 averaged 2.5-23.1-0.0).

It doesn't seem like he struggled with McDaniel's system in the first month in 2010. He definitely struggled with injuries, and had off-season surgery.

Now if you want to compare camp notes with camp notes, you can find numerous quotes of Royal's 2009 struggles and Royal/McDaniel in 2010 both acknowledging that and stating they want to get him the ball more - which they did when he was healthy.

SSOG, you are one of the best SP posters around; eloquent in expressing your opinions, thorough in building an argument, methodical in analyzing stats. I mean no disrespect toward you personally.

But Eddie Royal's problem last was injury, not Josh.

 

[SSOG]

Which one of these took 8 years to develop? None was really an off-field issue/ undeserved prima donna like BL was. Maybe I'm just not getting your connection but most of these guys were trying to stay in the NFL.Horn was an UDFA who blew up as soon as he switched to his second team. Bad decision by KCJimmy Smith- From Wiki- Smith was drafted in the second round of the 1992 NFL Draft out of Jackson State University. He spent two injury-plagued seasons with Dallas. After missing much of the 1992 season with a broken leg, early in 1993 he underwent an emergency appendectomy which led to a severe infection and was nearly fatal. In the aftermath, a dispute broke out between Smith and Cowboy owner Jerry Jones, who claimed that, since the condition wasn't football related, the Cowboys should not have to pay Smith for the 1993 season[citation needed]. Smith spent all of 1993 on the injured reserve list.Before the 1994 season, Smith was cut by the Cowboys. He was subsequently signed by the Philadelphia Eagles but was cut before the 1994 season began.totally different situation than Lloyd IMOEddie McCaffrey- Flashed potential with NYG but was never utilized or seen as a top WR for the team. Really only had one huge season and 3 other "good seasons" Drew Hill- the 12 round pick who started as a KR (cause he was tiny)then has some big seasons in a run and shoot offense? not really the same issues

What do you mean none of those guys took 8 years to develop? Ed McCaffrey failed to crack the top 30 a single time in his first 7 years, then finished top 12 in year 8. Brandon Lloyd failed to crack the top 30 a single time in his first 7 years, then finished top 12 in year 8. The timelines are essentially identical (McCaffrey was actually a year older, even).Are any of these guys perfect matches for Brandon Lloyd? Of course not- nobody ever can be. Even if the circumstances were more similar, maybe the build would be different. Maybe the playing style would be different. Maybe the offensive background would be different. The point I was making is that you said leopards don't change their spots. I gave you four leopards who prove that old saw unequivocally wrong. Joe Horn was a crappy WR who Kansas City let walk for nothing. He then went to New Orleans and changed his spots. Jimmy Smith was an injury prone WR who never even got on the field for Dallas. He then went to Jacksonville and changed his spots. Drew Hill was a kick returner who was not at all involved in the offense. Then the Run and Shoot came to town and he changed his spots. Eddie McCaffrey was a nobody, an end-of-the-bench kind of guy who played for 3 teams in 3 years because nobody really wanted him. He then went to Denver and changed his spots (I don't get what you're saying about the "1 huge season and 3 good seasons", by the way- McCaffrey ranked 11th, 19th, and 8th, then had his career essentially ended by a broken leg).Brandon Lloyd has always been an extremely talented guy. He was so talented in San Fran that Washington traded two draft picks to get him. He was so talented that a Chicago fan made a youtube tribute video to him naming him the savior of the franchise. His talent has never been in question, only his dedication and consistency have been. By all accounts, those questions have been answered. Lloyd credits getting cut from Chicago as having humbled him. Regardless of what it was, his commitment to the game is at an all-time high. Cecil reports that he was absolutely tearing up training camps (Lammey nicknamed him $$$Lloyd because he was so money). Is he the next Joe Horn, or the next Ed McCaffrey, or the next Drew Hill? Maybe not... but the fact that Joe Horn, Ed McCaffrey, and Drew Hill exist proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is, in fact, possible for a proverbial leopard to change his proverbial spots.

It doesn't seem like he struggled with McDaniel's system in the first month in 2010. He definitely struggled with injuries, and had off-season surgery.Now if you want to compare camp notes with camp notes, you can find numerous quotes of Royal's 2009 struggles and Royal/McDaniel in 2010 both acknowledging that and stating they want to get him the ball more - which they did when he was healthy.

Just reporting the buzz I've been hearing. I heard that Eddie didn't understand McDaniels' route concepts. I heard that he struggled in McDaniels' scheme. I heard that both in 2009 and 2010. The first thing I heard when Fox was brought in was how Royal was going to benefit from a switch to a more traditional offensive role. Lammey said at camps how he's finally comfortable with the offense again and how he's looking like his old 2008 self. That's just what I've heard.Did Royal start out last season pretty hot? Yeah, he sure did. Does that mean he put everything together and was derailed by injury? Not necessarily. Sometimes you get clusters in the statistics that look meaningful and fit a pre-packaged narrative. That doesn't mean the narrative is right. Regardless of the hip injury, everything I've heard has been blaming his struggles the last two seasons on scheme, not health.

 

[Otis]

Royal had a 90+ reception season when healthy two years ago. He was actually on that pace for a bit last season before falling off hard (I suspect due to health issues). I see no reason he can't be a big surprise and outperform his ADP significantly this year now that he's healthy.

@hawkscreech

Royal's problem wasn't health, his problem was McDaniels. McDaniels' offense called for receivers to make reads in mid-route and adjust on the fly. Eddie Royal was terrible at it- he never figured it out. Word is that Fox has Royal running more traditional route concepts in camp, and Eddie's been flourishing again as a result.

Interesting information here SSOG, and if true (I'll give you the benefit), very insightful.However, I have to take issue with your dismissal of Royal's injury issues last season.

Eddie Royal's post-season hip surgery stemmed from an injury that occurred in the 2010 season opener.

Royal and Broncos trainers had trouble pinpointing the injury, and it eventually led to thigh and groin issues. Royal averaged six catches and 75 yards over the first month, but his production tailed off the rest of the way while fighting through the injury.

Jul 29 - 1:58 PM

Source: Denver Post

Exactly. He was on pace for exactly the totals I predicted preseason, except his health got in the way and he fell off, and the Hawks were torched as a result. The reality is that a healthy Eddie Royal really can be good for 90 catches.

 

[Otis]

Interesting information here SSOG, and if true (I'll give you the benefit), very insightful.

However, I have to take issue with your dismissal of Royal's injury issues last season.

Eddie Royal's post-season hip surgery stemmed from an injury that occurred in the 2010 season opener.

Royal and Broncos trainers had trouble pinpointing the injury, and it eventually led to thigh and groin issues. Royal averaged six catches and 75 yards over the first month, but his production tailed off the rest of the way while fighting through the injury.

Jul 29 - 1:58 PM

Source: Denver Post

I'm not saying Eddie Royal's health wasn't a problem. I'm saying that Eddie Royal's problem wasn't his health. He was not at all suited for McDaniels' offense, and McDaniels refused to make any exceptions or concessions to tailor his scheme to the skills of the players he had (which is why he traded away Cutler, Hillis, Scheffler, et al). I've heard from several people (including, iirc, Lammey) that Royal was completely lost in McDaniels' offense, but that he looks right at home in Fox's. The camp reports on him are night and day, and obviously comparing camp reports means comparing him today to him before his injury last season.

I'm nothing casual hobbyist who doesn't spend 1% of the amount of time you might on FF, but now I'm wondering if you don't have your years mixed up.2008 DEN 15 91 980 10.8 93 5

2009 DEN 14 37 345 9.3 20 0

2010 DEN 16 59 627 10.6 41 3

August 2010 FGBs article on Eddie Royal

Pasquino writes about Eddie Royal's struggles in his first year under Josh McDaniel's system.

2010 Game logs - 1st 4 games

Sun 9/12 @ JAC 17-24 8 98 12.3 25 0

Sun 9/19 vs SEA 31-14 5 65 13.0 34 1

Sun 9/26 vs IND 13-27 4 23 5.8 18 0

Sun 10/3 @ TEN 26-20 8 113 14.1 41 1

Pretty ugly thereafter (one game 6-74-1, the other 11 averaged 2.5-23.1-0.0).

It doesn't seem like he struggled with McDaniel's system in the first month in 2010. He definitely struggled with injuries, and had off-season surgery.

Now if you want to compare camp notes with camp notes, you can find numerous quotes of Royal's 2009 struggles and Royal/McDaniel in 2010 both acknowledging that and stating they want to get him the ball more - which they did when he was healthy.

SSOG, you are one of the best SP posters around; eloquent in expressing your opinions, thorough in building an argument, methodical in analyzing stats. I mean no disrespect toward you personally.

But Eddie Royal's problem last was injury, not Josh.

Bingo.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

 

[Air Stich]

Or is Robert Meachem this year's Brandon Lloyd? It would probably be less of a surprise than Lloyd was last year. Meachem might be a TD machine all season.

 

[jmo87usc]

My pick for this years Brandon Lloyd is Derek Hagan(if he can stay healthy). Pretty talented guy who struggled to put it all together his first few seasons. Change of scenery, a little more maturity and looks to be clicking with Campbell.

Given the uncertainty of the Oakland WR depth chart, he could easily become their #1 WR this year. I doubt we will see any WR do what Lloyd did last year, but Hagan could come out of nowhere and produce WR2 numbers if the stars align just right. Or he could do nothing and make me look like an idiot for writing this(which will probably be the case)

 

[Raiderfan32904]

My pick for this years Brandon Lloyd is Derek Hagan(if he can stay healthy). Pretty talented guy who struggled to put it all together his first few seasons. Change of scenery, a little more maturity and looks to be clicking with Campbell.Given the uncertainty of the Oakland WR depth chart, he could easily become their #1 WR this year. I doubt we will see any WR do what Lloyd did last year, but Hagan could come out of nowhere and produce WR2 numbers if the stars align just right. Or he could do nothing and make me look like an idiot for writing this(which will probably be the case)

I agree, and have picked up Hagan in both my leagues as the last guy on my bench. If he doesn't get a prominent role, well....he's a flyer I can always cut bait. But if he has the similar role he had against the Saints a couple of weeks back, I don't have to worry about getting into a bidding war.

 

[TidesofWar]

Eddie Royal???

As A Lloyd owner, I scrambled to get Royal yesterday, and dropped Jacoby Jones for him

 

[Crazy Tony]

As far as DEN WRs I've been high on Eric Decker since I read about him in this article 6/1/2010.

http://footballguys.com/10haseley_cracks.php

It's take time for him to get into the line-up but he's impressed with the chances he's gotten.

Returning Kicks, good hands, good size. Doesn't suck basically.

Not a Megatron Freak but that kind of talent doesn't usually slip the cracks.

 

[emge]

I will probably take a chance that Decker is the guy to have....not Royal....

Yeah, I expected this thread to be about Decker.

As far as DEN WRs I've been high on Eric Decker since I read about him in this article 6/1/2010. http://footballguys.com/10haseley_cracks.phpIt's take time for him to get into the line-up but he's impressed with the chances he's gotten. Returning Kicks, good hands, good size. Doesn't suck basically. Not a Megatron Freak but that kind of talent doesn't usually slip the cracks.

I would put my money on Decker as well. In PPR Decker already has 40.6 pts. Decker, currently has more points than Larry Fitzgerald, Jennings, Wayne, Desean Jackson, Roddy White, and he is within 4 points of Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Vincent Jackson and Marshall