Could you get a hit off the... (1 Viewer)

[DoubleG]

Test it for yourself

3 for 5 (I didn't understand the test the first time, missed the second then hit 3 in a row).However, this proves nothing. There is a ton more to hitting a baseball than clicking a mouse (or touchpad). My point is that anyone that thinks they could make decent contact off a MLB pitcher that wasn't trying to let them hit it that is not a proffessional athlete currently (or hasn't played college ball in 5+ years) is extremely delusional. Hitting is all timing - and it takes years to develop and weeks to recover even in one offseason (hence Spring Training).

 

[Unlucky]

I played through high school and could hit fairly well. I imagine that without several weeks of BP vs. pitching of that type, I'd have no chance in 20 ABs of getting a hit. Maybe 5 hits in 100 ABs, striking out about 30 to 40 times. Maybe.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Test it for yourself

3 for 5 (I didn't understand the test the first time, missed the second then hit 3 in a row).However, this proves nothing. There is a ton more to hitting a baseball than clicking a mouse (or touchpad). My point is that anyone that thinks they could make decent contact off a MLB pitcher that wasn't trying to let them hit it that is not a proffessional athlete currently (or hasn't played college ball in 5+ years) is extremely delusional. Hitting is all timing - and it takes years to develop and weeks to recover even in one offseason (hence Spring Training).

Never liked that test either. To me, that would be like reacting to a pitch coming out of a machine when you had absolutely no idea when it's going to come out. Suddenly it just appears and you have to react. Not right.With a pitcher, you at least can go by his arm movement and start the process of the swing, which is what this test supposedly gauges. Whether you can do anything after that is a different story.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Test it for yourself

3 for 5 (I didn't understand the test the first time, missed the second then hit 3 in a row).However, this proves nothing. There is a ton more to hitting a baseball than clicking a mouse (or touchpad). My point is that anyone that thinks they could make decent contact off a MLB pitcher that wasn't trying to let them hit it that is not a proffessional athlete currently (or hasn't played college ball in 5+ years) is extremely delusional. Hitting is all timing - and it takes years to develop and weeks to recover even in one offseason (hence Spring Training).

People say that hitting is timing and of course this has truth in it, but changing planes, movement angles on your pitches and moving in and out is important as well.That being said, it is really amazing that Mariano Rivera has been a dominant pitcher throwing ONE speed. Pro hitters have him timed EVERY time, but his command and the movement on his pitches makes the best in the world struggle with centering his pitches. This is why I say Rivera has the greatest single pitch of all time.

 

[Darth Cheney]

I imagine alot of the foreign players barely made it out of grade school.

You're an idiot if you think this.

No sir, I believe you are the idiot.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I imagine alot of the foreign players barely made it out of grade school.

You're an idiot if you think this.

No sir, I believe you are the idiot.

Moops that was a bit harsh...although Cheney would have been better off ignoring it. How about you guys each call me an idiot so we can see if either of you can take a hack?

 

[Darth Cheney]

I imagine alot of the foreign players barely made it out of grade school.

You're an idiot if you think this.

No sir, I believe you are the idiot.

Moops that was a bit harsh...although Cheney would have been better off ignoring it. How about you guys each call me an idiot so we can see if either of you can take a hack?

In regards to taking a hack.....I think that it is the mental toughness, not the physical ability that most "average joes" are lacking......you idiot.

 

[pettifogger]

Interesting thread. As an experiment I went on ESPN's web site and looked for the 360th ranked pitcher in opponent's OPS (on base percentage plus slugging percentage) for 2007. You could argue to go to number 366 because there are about 5-6 guys who only faced a batter or two (Scott Spezio in a mop up role for one) but let's stick to pitcher number 360. You could also move lower because a lot of the guys on the list were in the league for a cup of coffee, so the 360th at any one point might be have a higher opponents' OPS. But it's an experiment so let's go:

Juan Salas, TB reliever

29 years old, 6'2" 230 lbs. born in Santo Domingo, D.R.

Opponents' OPS 796 (borderline for a starter, a little too high for a reliever). Opponents hit .248/.347/.448 off him, Doug Davis is right ahead of him on the list and Paul Maholm right behind (two established junkballing starters).

Last year 36.1 IP, 36 H, 17 BB, 26 Ks, ERA 3.72, WHIP 1.46. 7 HRs given up which it high for 36.1 IP. He's owned by 0% of fantasy teams this year, it turns out that he's had visa problems and hasn't gotten out of the Dominican this year, so TB put him on the restricted list April 5.

Basically the definition of a borderline major leaguer.

In 2006 he gave up only 28 hits in 63 IP in AA and AAA.

Baseball Prospectus lists him as a "one pitch pitcher." It does not say what pitch but I'll guess it's a slider. I don't have ESPN insider but if anyone does, they can tell us the scouting report in more detail.

Would I get a hit off this guy in a game situation?

Well, if I started stepping into my swing just as he started his windup, I might by sheer chance put a bat on the ball, but if he's got a snap to his slider, it would be pure unadulterated luck if I hit the ball. Chance of an actual hit would probably be less than 5%, maybe less than 2%. (An .020 batting average!)

 

[Knightro]

Juan Salas's one pitch is a fastball that he can't throw straight and comes in around 93-96

 

[the moops]

I imagine alot of the foreign players barely made it out of grade school.

You're an idiot if you think this.

No sir, I believe you are the idiot.

Moops that was a bit harsh...although Cheney would have been better off ignoring it. How about you guys each call me an idiot so we can see if either of you can take a hack?

In regards to taking a hack.....I think that it is the mental toughness, not the physical ability that most "average joes" are lacking......you idiot.

He can take it. It's not hat harsh.But it is quite an asinine comment to make, that most foreign players barely make it out of grade school???

 

[Liquid Tension]

I imagine alot of the foreign players barely made it out of grade school.

You're an idiot if you think this.

No sir, I believe you are the idiot.

Moops that was a bit harsh...although Cheney would have been better off ignoring it. How about you guys each call me an idiot so we can see if either of you can take a hack?

In regards to taking a hack.....I think that it is the mental toughness, not the physical ability that most "average joes" are lacking......you idiot.

Much better!

 

[Liquid Tension]

Interesting thread. As an experiment I went on ESPN's web site and looked for the 360th ranked pitcher in opponent's OPS (on base percentage plus slugging percentage) for 2007. You could argue to go to number 366 because there are about 5-6 guys who only faced a batter or two (Scott Spezio in a mop up role for one) but let's stick to pitcher number 360. You could also move lower because a lot of the guys on the list were in the league for a cup of coffee, so the 360th at any one point might be have a higher opponents' OPS. But it's an experiment so let's go: Juan Salas, TB reliever 29 years old, 6'2" 230 lbs. born in Santo Domingo, D.R. Opponents' OPS 796 (borderline for a starter, a little too high for a reliever). Opponents hit .248/.347/.448 off him, Doug Davis is right ahead of him on the list and Paul Maholm right behind (two established junkballing starters). Last year 36.1 IP, 36 H, 17 BB, 26 Ks, ERA 3.72, WHIP 1.46. 7 HRs given up which it high for 36.1 IP. He's owned by 0% of fantasy teams this year, it turns out that he's had visa problems and hasn't gotten out of the Dominican this year, so TB put him on the restricted list April 5. Basically the definition of a borderline major leaguer. In 2006 he gave up only 28 hits in 63 IP in AA and AAA. Baseball Prospectus lists him as a "one pitch pitcher." It does not say what pitch but I'll guess it's a slider. I don't have ESPN insider but if anyone does, they can tell us the scouting report in more detail. Would I get a hit off this guy in a game situation? Well, if I started stepping into my swing just as he started his windup, I might by sheer chance put a bat on the ball, but if he's got a snap to his slider, it would be pure unadulterated luck if I hit the ball. Chance of an actual hit would probably be less than 5%, maybe less than 2%. (An .020 batting average!)

Not sure if your numbers are right, but if this guy only gave up 28 hits in 63 IP then the AA and AAA guys were only hitting about .150 off of him. This guy is tough to hit, but I would imagine that he is wild...not the pitcher the FBG would want to face

 

[Eephus]

Interesting thread. As an experiment I went on ESPN's web site and looked for the 360th ranked pitcher in opponent's OPS (on base percentage plus slugging percentage) for 2007. You could argue to go to number 366 because there are about 5-6 guys who only faced a batter or two (Scott Spezio in a mop up role for one) but let's stick to pitcher number 360. You could also move lower because a lot of the guys on the list were in the league for a cup of coffee, so the 360th at any one point might be have a higher opponents' OPS. But it's an experiment so let's go:

Juan Salas, TB reliever

29 years old, 6'2" 230 lbs. born in Santo Domingo, D.R.

Opponents' OPS 796 (borderline for a starter, a little too high for a reliever). Opponents hit .248/.347/.448 off him, Doug Davis is right ahead of him on the list and Paul Maholm right behind (two established junkballing starters).

Last year 36.1 IP, 36 H, 17 BB, 26 Ks, ERA 3.72, WHIP 1.46. 7 HRs given up which it high for 36.1 IP. He's owned by 0% of fantasy teams this year, it turns out that he's had visa problems and hasn't gotten out of the Dominican this year, so TB put him on the restricted list April 5.

Basically the definition of a borderline major leaguer.

In 2006 he gave up only 28 hits in 63 IP in AA and AAA.

Baseball Prospectus lists him as a "one pitch pitcher." It does not say what pitch but I'll guess it's a slider. I don't have ESPN insider but if anyone does, they can tell us the scouting report in more detail.

Would I get a hit off this guy in a game situation?

Well, if I started stepping into my swing just as he started his windup, I might by sheer chance put a bat on the ball, but if he's got a snap to his slider, it would be pure unadulterated luck if I hit the ball. Chance of an actual hit would probably be less than 5%, maybe less than 2%. (An .020 batting average!)

Not sure if your numbers are right, but if this guy only gave up 28 hits in 63 IP then the AA and AAA guys were only hitting about .150 off of him. This guy is tough to hit, but I would imagine that he is wild...not the pitcher the FBG would want to face

Salas served a 50 game suspension last year for steroidshttp://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2863181

 

[Darth Cheney]

I imagine alot of the foreign players barely made it out of grade school.

You're an idiot if you think this.

No sir, I believe you are the idiot.

Moops that was a bit harsh...although Cheney would have been better off ignoring it. How about you guys each call me an idiot so we can see if either of you can take a hack?

In regards to taking a hack.....I think that it is the mental toughness, not the physical ability that most "average joes" are lacking......you idiot.

He can take it. It's not hat harsh.But it is quite an asinine comment to make, that most foreign players barely make it out of grade school???

What percentage of United States students make it through High School? I seriously doubt that the school system in the DR is better than the US. But if these players were making it through high school....the baseball academies set up by MLB teams that they attend...wouldn't be teaching them academics.