Could you win a fight with a (1 Viewer)

[Chester Copperpot]

 

[moleculo]

Legitimate degree of athleticism <> solid fighting foundation.

Ad absurdum: so how can a 120-lb chimpanzee beat the MMA's best every time? The ape is all athleticism, no fighting foundation, no MMA training.

wat?

 

[B-Deep]

she'd have no chance. but I'm 8'4" and 479 pounds. if I even point in her direction, she'll explode into a fine mist.

lol

 

[SacramentoBob]

Legitimate degree of athleticism <> solid fighting foundation.

Ad absurdum: so how can a 120-lb chimpanzee beat the MMA's best every time? The ape is all athleticism, no fighting foundation, no MMA training.

I would disagree with you heavily here.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Of course I could beat up a 135-lb woman. What she does for a living doesn't seem especially relevant.

 

[bonesman]

Nice omoplata. Sudo vs Butterbean-220 lb differential

http://www.tapoutlive.com/media/471/Genki_Sudo_vs_Butterbean/

I think more men could win than what the vote is showing... but since thinking you can win is such a huge part of success in a fight... I guess I'd be wrong.

 

[Doug B]

Ad absurdum: so how can a 120-lb chimpanzee beat the MMA's best every time? The ape is all athleticism, no fighting foundation, no MMA training.

I would disagree with you heavily here.

It's kind of a trick situation: the great apes have immense musculo-skeletal and neural advantages over humans in applying their strength.

 

[B-Deep]

Legitimate degree of athleticism <> solid fighting foundation.

Ad absurdum: so how can a 120-lb chimpanzee beat the MMA's best every time? The ape is all athleticism, no fighting foundation, no MMA training.

I would disagree with you heavily here.

chimps are ####### brutalthey'll eat your face

no mma fighter will eat your face

hell, tyson could only get through like 10% of one ear

 

[Doug B]

Legitimate degree of athleticism <> solid fighting foundation.

Ad absurdum: so how can a 120-lb chimpanzee beat the MMA's best every time? The ape is all athleticism, no fighting foundation, no MMA training.

wat?

Trying to establish that in fighting, technique doesn't trump all. Using an admittedly ridiculous situation to make the point.

 

[B-Deep]

I am a lover not a fighter

I'd bat my eyes at her and she would melt

we would make sweet love right there in the street

and as soon as we were done i would punch her in the spleen and declare myself king of the world!!!!

short of that she would devastate me

 

[B-Deep]

Legitimate degree of athleticism <> solid fighting foundation.

Ad absurdum: so how can a 120-lb chimpanzee beat the MMA's best every time? The ape is all athleticism, no fighting foundation, no MMA training.

wat?

Trying to establish that in fighting, technique doesn't trump all. Using an admittedly ridiculous situation to make the point.

i'll take the chimpChimpanzee #### are unusually large for their body size, with a combined weight of about 4 ounces (110 g) compared to a gorilla's 1 ounce (28 g) or a human's 1.5 ounces (43 g).

hell yeah, i take the chimp

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Maybe if we're pitting the 135-lb woman against completely untrained, unathletic guys. But give the big guys even basic HS-athlete level athleticism ... they should be able to make things a lot tougher on the MMA woman. Not saying she couldn't still win, but it wouldn't be (for her) like fighting a small child or something.

It would be. Weight is a big advantage on the ground, but not having any clue what you are doing doesn't allow you to make use of that advantage.

Check my post carefully. What I said, specifically, was this: A big guy with basic HS-athlete level athleticism would challenge the MMA female quite a bit more than a small child would challenge her.

Admittedly, I'm picking nits. My greater point, though, is that you don't have to be in-prime Chuck Liddell to give her a match. You don't even have to be 75% prime Chuck, even. How to define that "75% of Chuck L." is another discussion.

You don't have to be Chuck Liddell, but if you don't know have any technical skill your physical attributes are going to be mostly wasted. LeBron James is a phenomenal athlete, but bigger, faster, stronger than any elite level downhill skiier, but if he's never skiied before, he'd get crushed by any decent skiier.

And Dan Severn was 2 time all American D1 wrestler who fought at the Olympic trails with a 75 lb advantage over Royce. BJJ has also advantaged a lot since 1994.

My point here was only that Severn's weight advantage made things much harder on Gracie, despite Royce's BBJ techniques. And despite Severn's own wrestling accomplishments, I think the Severn/Gracie 1994 match is still instructive of how a 135-lb MMA female fighter would fare against a bigger male opponent with a legitimate degree of athleticism.About the 1994 match: yes, Royce Gracie won. But it was long and drawn out (16 minutes) and was certainly no walk for Gracie. The lore of that match in the intervening years is that Gracie had that match in the bag all along, when in fact Severn was probably "winnning" for 15 minutes and change.

Severn's weight did make things harder on Gracie, but being a near Olympic level wrestler was much, much, much more of a factor. A friend of mine who trains BJJ and is 135 lbs always spars with new guys at his gym. The guys in charge love for him to humble big guys who come into the gym. Ex-military, police, massive guys all gets crushed because they have no idea what they are doing on the ground.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Legitimate degree of athleticism <> solid fighting foundation.

Ad absurdum: so how can a 120-lb chimpanzee beat the MMA's best every time? The ape is all athleticism, no fighting foundation, no MMA training.

A lot of the MMA fighter's training would be negated by the fact that the chimp's body and joints are much different than a human.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Legitimate degree of athleticism <> solid fighting foundation.

Ad absurdum: so how can a 120-lb chimpanzee beat the MMA's best every time? The ape is all athleticism, no fighting foundation, no MMA training.

A lot of the MMA fighter's training would be negated by the fact that the chimp's body and joints are much different than a human.

I would peruvian necktie the #### out of a chimp.

 

[squidrope]

Love the little-guy/big-guy match ups. Awesome

 

[ivnabru]

I'd be willing to bet that your average 6' 170 lb guy could beat up your average 6' 250 lb guy everything else being equal. That's not to say the 250 lb guy couldn't beat up the 135 lb girl but I'd imagine he's in less than perfect shape. So I think there is a point where weighing more hurts your chances. I'm only saying this because it sounds like people are saying the more you weigh the better your shot. Definitely not true. Muscle gain should help but your average 200+ lb guy isn't there just because of muscle.

 

[the moops]

OK, first of all, I just claimed that LeBron should be able to pull off a jump shot at least as well as I do.

You think he doesn't?

 

[the moops]

Sudo vs Butterbean-220 lb differential http://www.tapoutlive.com/media/471/Genki_Sudo_vs_Butterbean/

I would think that 99% of the folks here would suffer the same fate. Once it goes to the ground, having a big weight advantage, while nice to have, means little if you have no idea what the hell you are doing.

 

[adrenaline]

2 words for ya: Titty Twister!!

 

[Jayrod]

OK, first of all, I just claimed that LeBron should be able to pull off a jump shot at least as well as I do.

You think he doesn't?

He sure didn't early in his career, and he didn't show it in the finals.You also haven't seen my sweet j.

 

[the moops]

OK, first of all, I just claimed that LeBron should be able to pull off a jump shot at least as well as I do.

You think he doesn't?

He sure didn't early in his career, and he didn't show it in the finals. Also, cliff has trouble with reading comprehension and simple math.

The shtick is strong with you.

 

[Rick James]

Even though Z Machine doubts himself, I'd take him over Cyborg in a fight.

Underrated post

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I would crush her (in my best Drago voice)