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i don't know if bucky brooks is a great, respected scout...

but interesting perspective, from a player that was a teammate of derrick thomas, bruce smith and reggie white... and earlier, stated he had more talent than any of them (can't agree with reggie, but i respect that clowney has been called maybe the greatest physical phenom and athletic freak at his position EVER - a calvin johnson or vernon davis at DE, if you will)...

but now, he has concerns about motor, work ethic and football character.

he has watched half a dozen games from this year in forming his conclusion, and gives specifics.

i'm more concerned after reading this than before, for sure.

it addresses the same concerns i had, but more specifically and authoritatively.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000278400/article/film-room-south-carolinas-jadeveon-clowney-mailing-it-in

 
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not my personal conversation, but from another board... some thoughts about the state of the rams including draft-related info... not sure how well connected their NFL sources are, I'm aware of Shonka and Ourlads...

I don't agree Bradford will get a restructuring ultimatum before the draft. Don't care to debate it, people can think whatever they want, but don't see that. i agree 2014 is a crucial year for his future with the rams. i could see such an ultimatum being made prior to the 2015 draft, if progress hasn't been made on an extension... but that would most likely be a moot point, if he doesn't have a good season next year, they won't want to extend him, and if he does, he will be extended before any kind of 2015 draft ultimatum...

the last sentence doesn't seem to consider the possibility that the rams could move down, and still possibly get matthews AND evans (or not trade down and get them both, for that matter)...

"I just spoke with Dan Shonka, the Editor of OURLADS, who was on the radio with Greg DePalma of PrimeSportsNetwork.

In a nutshell Shonka and DePalma said the following:

Shonka doesn't like Shotty. He said the Rams need a new OC. They should be able to get a lot more out of Tavon.

DePalma (who is a Jet fan) said he is ok with Shotty and said he an average coach who has shown he can get better. Likes what he did with Stacy.

They both agree that Fisher has a strong relationship with Bradford and he wants to stick with him.

They said Bradford has had a bad setup even this year when he didn't get any help from any weapons until Stacy played and then Sam got hurt. So they think Sam will get one more year and if he doesn't get it done Fisher will move on from him.

They highly doubt the Rams will draft a QB in the first round, but they have to draft a QB in the 3rd or 4th round for sure.

DePalma said he'd be shocked if Sam doesn't take a cut before the draft. If Sam doesn't restructure that means they are drafting a QB in the first round and Sam is gone.

He also said he expect the Rams to make the playoffs next year, probably will have to be a wild card, but that's fine, just win games.

Shonka said Evans is a better fit for us than Watkins, who he also loves but the Rams need a big dependable go to guy and that's not Watkins, it's Evans. He also said they will keep Quick around but he's a backup. Shonka had Quick rated in the 3rd/4th round, behind Givens.

Shonka likes Ogletree a lot. I think he said he has him on OURLADS all rookie team along with Stacy.

Shonka thinks if the Rams get a top 3 pick they will be hard pressed not to take Matthews, but Snead has shown that he won't stay still and expect him to move down and possibly get Evans and more picks."

 
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on the RGIII trade...

1 - if at the time of the trade, we could have seen the future, and known that the two first round picks in 2013 and 2014 WAS traded to STL were a top 5-10 pick, and a bottom 10 pick, but did not know the order (which pick went in which year), it probably wouldn't have come as a huge surprise. just the order has been inverted. it would have been more expected if RGIII had struggled as a rookie and STL had a top 5-10 pick in 2013 [than they wouldn't have needed to trade with BUF up from their own 1.16 pick to get austin at 1.8, could have kept their second ((were going to take warford at 1.30 if ogletree wasn't there)), and instead of trading down from 1.22 with ATL to 1.30 to take ogletree, don't know if they still would have tried to trade down once or twice to get ogletree where they did, or picked another player entirely there - maybe eric reid, who i like a lot and would have filled a need, or maybe SF would have traded up with STL at 1.16 instead of DAL at 1.18 to get reid, with the rams perceived as a possible destination for reid... the rams could have probably got ogletree one pick later at 1.31... they might have preferred a trade down if they were thinking about SS TJ mcdonald in the third round? not sure who the rams would have taken if it had been a top 2 pick - might not been able to trade down in this draft to still get austin at 8, MIA gave a second to OAK to get to 1.3, rams wouldn't have needed jordan or ansah, OT probably would have been best BPA there?]. Griffin could have in an alternate universe, after struggling as a rookie in that scenario, surged in year two, giving the rams a bottom 10 pick in 2014 (instead of 2013)?

2 - i thought at the time, the trade could be win-win. still really early days. RGIII could return to form as franchise QB for a decade, turning the team into a playoff regular. it could be lose-lose, could favor one side or the other. but it was no doubt a trade WAS made thinking far beyond a few years. that was a move made with the next decade in mind. i may be higher on RGIII than some, but also higher on bradford, and maybe on the STL trade bounty so far (brockers, ogletree, jenkins, stedman bailey, half of zac stacy, still possible top 3-5 pick that could be parlayed into more picks/players :) )... i can still see how the trade can work out great for both teams.

3 - don't know if there is a moral or principal to be extracted here, but one potential danger in trading first rounders in consecutive drafts, is if you have a high impact injury, it is hard to reload without a first the next season/s (not that WAS would have taken a QB, but gotten better at another position, like OL maybe, which could have helped win a few more games).

* Bracie,

not sure if this was you, very possibly somebody else, please set me straight if not you. it might have been in the browns thread, but it is too big to check.

i remember somebody being very critical of STL for taking the WAS offer instead of the CLE offer. it was partly with the rationale that the browns would have done worse than WAS that next season, and it would have left STL with a higher first in 2013 (though i think in the CLE offer, it was two firsts in 2012, the latter in the second half of the round, and a 2013 first, but no 2014 first). my point was simply, that analysis seemed to leave out the fact the team's respective fortunes and records probably would have been different, if RGIII had been on CLE instead of WAS. than, presumably CLE would have done better with RGIII (who did get off to a slow start in WAS, starting 3-6, than going 7-0), and the 2013 pick STL would have gotten from CLE (was a 1.6 i think, without RGIII, this year, where they got mingo), in all liklihood would have been lower... and STL wouldn't have gotten the 2014 first rounder from WAS. anyways, whether it was or wasn't you, the 2014 first could be a pivotal piece of the puzzle as far as the overall value of the draft picks received by the rams for RGIII... so i think snead and fisher made a good decision in opting to accept the WAS instead of CLE offer, hard to argue with the results the way the 2014 draft is shaping up.

 
JAC pushed up the stack with the other four win teams (CLE, BUF, OAK). impressive turnaround, three straight wins (four of last five games?).

HOU only team with just two wins (the nightmarish, abysmal collapse and dumpster fire death spiral of the kubiak regime continues). as loser (winner?) of the bridgewater/clowney bowl, frontrunner for #1 overall pick with three games remaining.

IF WAS loses sunday, by SOS, i think STL would have the #2 pick.

IF HOU wins any one of the three remaining games (and WAS loses out), based on the preliminary 16 game SOS tie-breakers, STL could end up with the top pick in the 2014 draft.

some think clowney should be the #1 overall pick.

if HOU loses out and finishes #1, any possibility ATL would trade up for clowney (or with STL at #2)? or more likely take BPA (like matthews if he was available, or farr?).

if the former (or for that matter, more likely, HOU just takes clowney themselves), that could create a scenario where the rams could still control bridgewater, but from the #2 spot. if more teams are looking for QB than DE, that could still make that a coveted spot... as the last spot to get a top graded QB (somewhat like the 2012 draft, when it was a two QB draft, IND was taking luck at 1.1, and they had the 1.2 with teams vying for the rights to RGIII).

one dynamic, it takes the right amount of QBs to create value at the top. none as in 2013 isn't good. but too many wouldn't be good, either, if evenly graded, as that would recommend teams waiting and letting a QB fall to them.

 
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If Houston is picking #1, and the only way they won't is if they win in Indy next week (which is possible), their new coach will get Bridgewater.

 
The big thing with him is that he's used to being on his own program because that's probably how Spurrier got him in the first place."
What does this mean? Spurrier let him do whatever he wanted?
I didn't write the ESPN article but the quote you are reffering to came from an AFC scout.

Here is the full quote of what he said:

... One NFC general manager said Clowney does look "like a player who is playing around the edges to avoid getting hurt," but the AFC scout said some of the jabs at Clowney are unfair. "He does take plays off, but a lot of guys do that," the AFC scout said. "He also doesn't have any legal issues. The big thing with him is that he's used to being on his own program because that's probably how Spurrier got him in the first place."

You can read that many ways but he says that "being on his own program' is how Spurrier got him in the first place so it seems to be the only knock on Clowney that he is 'on his own program' which seems to be saying he doesn't cow-tow to coaches but does things his own way.

That is how I read it.
I guess we can cross Clowney off of the Bucs board if Schiano keeps his job. He doesn't sound like a Schiano man at all. :football: :rolleyes:

 
Granted I have only seen like 3 Louisville games but is Bridgewater really that good? Like #1 overall good or is it just part of the NFL qb arms race. What I saw he was good but not particularly mobile and liked superior size.
I think he's that good. There's not a single throw he can't make. He's mobile enough moving around the pocket and can improvise nicely. Personally, I have no idea why he fell off the face of the earth after the UCF loss from a media coverage standpoint. I guess it was an anti-AAC thing which there tends to be.
http://www.sbnation.com/2013/12/5/5180618/two-crazy-teddy-bridgewater-plays-highlight-keg-of-nails

Two examples.

 
maybe I am crazy but I dont think either of those are overly impressive
I think it's pretty crazy if you don't think it's impressive to throw the ball 40 yards off one foot perfectly into the back corner of the end zone after already avoiding three attempts at a sack.
His ball placement under duress is jaw dropping.

 
maybe I am crazy but I dont think either of those are overly impressive
I think it's pretty crazy if you don't think it's impressive to throw the ball 40 yards off one foot perfectly into the back corner of the end zone after already avoiding three attempts at a sack.
for that particular play it just looks like he slings it out of there

Not saying he isnt good at all just those 2 plays are kindof meh

the first one looks like a bunch of guys trying to arm tackle him and the second he appears to just throw it up in the back of the end zone

 
- With last night's loss and only three games left and one more loss than any other low-win team, Houston has pretty-well locked up the 1st pick in the draft.

As good as Clowney is he doesn't seem to fit with the Houston defensive scheme and even if/when they replace Kubiak it doesn't make sense to change from a 3-4 base to the 4-3 just to accomodate Clowney.

The Texans not only have Watt who 'could' slide inside to a 4-3 DT but they also have, OLB/DE Whitney Mercilus, OLB/DE Reed, OLB/DE Sam Acho. Mercilus 'could' possibly slide down to a 4-3 DE as 'could' Acho but Reed wouldn't fit as a 4-3 DE or OLB and if both Mercilus AND Acho were moved to down 4-3 DEs they would be undersized and the Texans would then need a 4-3 OLB and at leat one 4-3 DT. Just don't see a 6'5 258 lb DE as a need or a fit with Houston.

Keenum has gotten the-hook in two of his last three starts. Houston is moving on Schaub. The first pick seems to be Bridgewater to Houston right now today.

- Not sure who will own the 2nd pick but Clowney is the logical player to go off the board there. Right now no QB has broken from the pack.

 
- With last night's loss and only three games left and one more loss than any other low-win team, Houston has pretty-well locked up the 1st pick in the draft.

As good as Clowney is he doesn't seem to fit with the Houston defensive scheme and even if/when they replace Kubiak it doesn't make sense to change from a 3-4 base to the 4-3 just to accomodate Clowney.

The Texans not only have Watt who 'could' slide inside to a 4-3 DT but they also have, OLB/DE Whitney Mercilus, OLB/DE Reed, OLB/DE Sam Acho. Mercilus 'could' possibly slide down to a 4-3 DE as 'could' Acho but Reed wouldn't fit as a 4-3 DE or OLB and if both Mercilus AND Acho were moved to down 4-3 DEs they would be undersized and the Texans would then need a 4-3 OLB and at leat one 4-3 DT. Just don't see a 6'5 258 lb DE as a need or a fit with Houston.

Keenum has gotten the-hook in two of his last three starts. Houston is moving on Schaub. The first pick seems to be Bridgewater to Houston right now today.

- Not sure who will own the 2nd pick but Clowney is the logical player to go off the board there. Right now no QB has broken from the pack.
Bridgewater could conceivably have them in the playoffs next year with solid and consistent play. Their D is going to be good again and they have solid tools on offense. I could see them winning 8,9 even 10 games next year if they get back to the power running scheme that works of a few years ago.

 
- With last night's loss and only three games left and one more loss than any other low-win team, Houston has pretty-well locked up the 1st pick in the draft.

As good as Clowney is he doesn't seem to fit with the Houston defensive scheme and even if/when they replace Kubiak it doesn't make sense to change from a 3-4 base to the 4-3 just to accomodate Clowney.

The Texans not only have Watt who 'could' slide inside to a 4-3 DT but they also have, OLB/DE Whitney Mercilus, OLB/DE Reed, OLB/DE Sam Acho. Mercilus 'could' possibly slide down to a 4-3 DE as 'could' Acho but Reed wouldn't fit as a 4-3 DE or OLB and if both Mercilus AND Acho were moved to down 4-3 DEs they would be undersized and the Texans would then need a 4-3 OLB and at leat one 4-3 DT. Just don't see a 6'5 258 lb DE as a need or a fit with Houston.

Keenum has gotten the-hook in two of his last three starts. Houston is moving on Schaub. The first pick seems to be Bridgewater to Houston right now today.

- Not sure who will own the 2nd pick but Clowney is the logical player to go off the board there. Right now no QB has broken from the pack.
Bridgewater could conceivably have them in the playoffs next year with solid and consistent play. Their D is going to be good again and they have solid tools on offense. I could see them winning 8,9 even 10 games next year if they get back to the power running scheme that works of a few years ago.
INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT just happned.

Gary Kubiac has been fired in Houston so that opens the door for QB Case Keenum to show his stuff over the final three games.

Its a long-shot but if Case does step-up then Houston 'could possibly' trade the first pick.

Not likely to happen but stranger things have taken place and now that Kubiac is out with the Texans I'm sure the Texans will give Case Keenum every opportunity to show what he can do.

 
- With last night's loss and only three games left and one more loss than any other low-win team, Houston has pretty-well locked up the 1st pick in the draft.

As good as Clowney is he doesn't seem to fit with the Houston defensive scheme and even if/when they replace Kubiak it doesn't make sense to change from a 3-4 base to the 4-3 just to accomodate Clowney.

The Texans not only have Watt who 'could' slide inside to a 4-3 DT but they also have, OLB/DE Whitney Mercilus, OLB/DE Reed, OLB/DE Sam Acho. Mercilus 'could' possibly slide down to a 4-3 DE as 'could' Acho but Reed wouldn't fit as a 4-3 DE or OLB and if both Mercilus AND Acho were moved to down 4-3 DEs they would be undersized and the Texans would then need a 4-3 OLB and at leat one 4-3 DT. Just don't see a 6'5 258 lb DE as a need or a fit with Houston.

Keenum has gotten the-hook in two of his last three starts. Houston is moving on Schaub. The first pick seems to be Bridgewater to Houston right now today.

- Not sure who will own the 2nd pick but Clowney is the logical player to go off the board there. Right now no QB has broken from the pack.
Bridgewater could conceivably have them in the playoffs next year with solid and consistent play. Their D is going to be good again and they have solid tools on offense. I could see them winning 8,9 even 10 games next year if they get back to the power running scheme that works of a few years ago.
INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT just happned.

Gary Kubiac has been fired in Houston so that opens the door for QB Case Keenum to show his stuff over the final three games.

Its a long-shot but if Case does step-up then Houston 'could possibly' trade the first pick.

Not likely to happen but stranger things have taken place and now that Kubiac is out with the Texans I'm sure the Texans will give Case Keenum every opportunity to show what he can do.
0% chance if they're picking #1.

 
MAC_32 said:
0% chance if they're picking #1.
I think the odds are low but not 0%

Bridgewater isn't RG III.

He is the 'best' QB prospect of this group but he has a slight frame and whoever the new HC is with the Texans, they might have eyes for a guy like Johnny Football who they feel like they can get a lil-later in the draft so if some team picking fairly high in the draft made a solid offer to move-up either for Bridge or Clowney then it makes sense for the Texans to move-down especially if Keenum flashes something over the final three games.

 
who does the board think the texans would/should (if a difference) take if they end up with the #1 overall pick?
I would assume a fan base in Texas would prefer Manziel over Bridgewater?
Not every fan. I would definitely take Bridgewater. Hardcore Aggies and casual Texans fans would want Manziel. But I think the Texans fans who have followed the teams long struggle from the Capers-Early Kubiak years would much rather take Bridgewater over Johnny Football. Now Teddy vs Clowney? That I'm unsure of. I don't even know which one I would want right now.
Yeah, there are a lot of Texas A&M fans in Texas, but there are a lot more people that are non-Texas A&M fans (UT fans, Texas Tech, LSU, Oklahoma, etc.) And I agree, I am unsure which one I would want as well between Teddy & Clowney. If Teddy were more of a highly rated prospect it would be an easier decision.

 
MAC_32 said:
0% chance if they're picking #1.
I think the odds are low but not 0%

Bridgewater isn't RG III.

He is the 'best' QB prospect of this group but he has a slight frame and whoever the new HC is with the Texans, they might have eyes for a guy like Johnny Football who they feel like they can get a lil-later in the draft so if some team picking fairly high in the draft made a solid offer to move-up either for Bridge or Clowney then it makes sense for the Texans to move-down especially if Keenum flashes something over the final three games.
how much does bridgewater weigh?

it seems like an important question. i saw the quotes in the article i linked first, about skinny.

but if you look around, i saw three sets of numbers (197, 205, 220).

maybe he is more than 197, if so, that would be good to find out.

it sounded like you are handing HOU the #1 pick already with three games to go.

do you think the chance of another team is like 3-1, 5-1, 10-1, higher?

they only have to lose one of those three (i realize one is DEN, but TEN is week 17, not exactly a juggernaut).

not kidding, but seriously. do you think the word will come from above to tank for teddy?

because if you look at their season, despite being 2-11, haven't they lost like 6-8 of those 11 by about a FG average?

haven't they been IN a lot of games, though eventually losing.

did they have a chance to win last night (and JAC has won 3 in a row, and i think 4 of last 5).

 
MAC_32 said:
0% chance if they're picking #1.
I think the odds are low but not 0%

Bridgewater isn't RG III.

He is the 'best' QB prospect of this group but he has a slight frame and whoever the new HC is with the Texans, they might have eyes for a guy like Johnny Football who they feel like they can get a lil-later in the draft so if some team picking fairly high in the draft made a solid offer to move-up either for Bridge or Clowney then it makes sense for the Texans to move-down especially if Keenum flashes something over the final three games.
If they're picking #1 they will have won at most one game with Keenum under center. The rest of the roster is built to compete right now. They will draft a QB.

 
Bracie Smathers said:
- With last night's loss and only three games left and one more loss than any other low-win team, Houston has pretty-well locked up the 1st pick in the draft.

As good as Clowney is he doesn't seem to fit with the Houston defensive scheme and even if/when they replace Kubiak it doesn't make sense to change from a 3-4 base to the 4-3 just to accomodate Clowney.

The Texans not only have Watt who 'could' slide inside to a 4-3 DT but they also have, OLB/DE Whitney Mercilus, OLB/DE Reed, OLB/DE Sam Acho. Mercilus 'could' possibly slide down to a 4-3 DE as 'could' Acho but Reed wouldn't fit as a 4-3 DE or OLB and if both Mercilus AND Acho were moved to down 4-3 DEs they would be undersized and the Texans would then need a 4-3 OLB and at leat one 4-3 DT. Just don't see a 6'5 258 lb DE as a need or a fit with Houston.

Keenum has gotten the-hook in two of his last three starts. Houston is moving on Schaub. The first pick seems to be Bridgewater to Houston right now today.

- Not sure who will own the 2nd pick but Clowney is the logical player to go off the board there. Right now no QB has broken from the pack.
Houston played a 4-3 as recently as 3 years ago before Wade Phillips arrived. Brian Cushing was originally drafted to play the 4-3 OLB role and Antonio Smith was originally signed to play 4-3 DE. They could switch back fairly easily with Clowney, Watt, Crick up front, Cushing Mercilous and one of Reed, Mays or Sharpton. Smith is a FA but they could possibly resign him to fill the other DE spot.

If they keep Phillips and his scheme Clowney would work as well as the scheme isn't a traditional 3-4. Clowney doesn't need to be a traditional proto-typical 3-4 guy to fit. For instance, Mario Williams is a classic 4-3 DE and he worked just fine in Wade's scheme until he got hurt.

 
MAC_32 said:
0% chance if they're picking #1.
I think the odds are low but not 0%

Bridgewater isn't RG III.

He is the 'best' QB prospect of this group but he has a slight frame and whoever the new HC is with the Texans, they might have eyes for a guy like Johnny Football who they feel like they can get a lil-later in the draft so if some team picking fairly high in the draft made a solid offer to move-up either for Bridge or Clowney then it makes sense for the Texans to move-down especially if Keenum flashes something over the final three games.
If they're picking #1 they will have won at most one game with Keenum under center. The rest of the roster is built to compete right now. They will draft a QB.
would you rather have the best DL in the game and add another great DL prospect and have no QB.

or have the best DL in the game and a potential franchise QB?

if HOU had cushing and foster healthy (who aren't old), they might be at .500 or better.

if they are significantly better next year, they may not be in position to snare a franchise QB for a long time.

i noted earlier, clowney would be a tweener in the 3-4. he will be best served as a 4-3 DE.

 
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Definitley 0% they trade the pick if it's #1 overall. I actually wouldnt be shocked to see a #1 overall pick get traded, by any team, for a very long time.

 
MAC_32 said:
0% chance if they're picking #1.
I think the odds are low but not 0%

Bridgewater isn't RG III.

He is the 'best' QB prospect of this group but he has a slight frame and whoever the new HC is with the Texans, they might have eyes for a guy like Johnny Football who they feel like they can get a lil-later in the draft so if some team picking fairly high in the draft made a solid offer to move-up either for Bridge or Clowney then it makes sense for the Texans to move-down especially if Keenum flashes something over the final three games.
If they're picking #1 they will have won at most one game with Keenum under center. The rest of the roster is built to compete right now. They will draft a QB.
would you rather have the best DL in the game and add another great DL prospect and have no QB.

or have the best DL in the game and a potential franchise QB?

if HOU had cushing and foster healthy (who aren't old), they might be at .500 or better.

if they are significantly better next year, they may not be in position to snare a franchise QB for a long time.

i noted earlier, clowney would be a tweener in the 3-4. he will be best served as a 4-3 DE.
I'd rather have the better player.

As I happen to like the Titans, I don't want them to have to play Watt and Clowney together twice a year.

Understanding that they can't predict with certainty ahead of time, I think the Texans would be better off with Clowney at #1 and McCarron later.

 
MAC_32 said:
0% chance if they're picking #1.
I think the odds are low but not 0%Bridgewater isn't RG III.

He is the 'best' QB prospect of this group but he has a slight frame and whoever the new HC is with the Texans, they might have eyes for a guy like Johnny Football who they feel like they can get a lil-later in the draft so if some team picking fairly high in the draft made a solid offer to move-up either for Bridge or Clowney then it makes sense for the Texans to move-down especially if Keenum flashes something over the final three games.
If they're picking #1 they will have won at most one game with Keenum under center. The rest of the roster is built to compete right now. They will draft a QB.
would you rather have the best DL in the game and add another great DL prospect and have no QB.

or have the best DL in the game and a potential franchise QB?

if HOU had cushing and foster healthy (who aren't old), they might be at .500 or better.

if they are significantly better next year, they may not be in position to snare a franchise QB for a long time.

i noted earlier, clowney would be a tweener in the 3-4. he will be best served as a 4-3 DE.
I'd rather have the better player.

As I happen to like the Titans, I don't want them to have to play Watt and Clowney together twice a year.

Understanding that they can't predict with certainty ahead of time, I think the Texans would be better off with Clowney at #1 and McCarron later.
Completely agree. I think a scenario where they take Clowney at #1 and then draft a QB like McCarron later on or make a trade for a QB like Mallett is more likely than taking Bridgewater at #1. Not a knock on Bridgewater at all...I love his talent, think he'll make an excellent NFL quarterback...but with the depth at QB in this draft and the questions buzzing around about whether or not Bridgewater deserves to go first, Clowney is the smarter and safer choice for a team with a new head coach and possibly new front office.

 
MAC_32 said:
0% chance if they're picking #1.
I think the odds are low but not 0%

Bridgewater isn't RG III.

He is the 'best' QB prospect of this group but he has a slight frame and whoever the new HC is with the Texans, they might have eyes for a guy like Johnny Football who they feel like they can get a lil-later in the draft so if some team picking fairly high in the draft made a solid offer to move-up either for Bridge or Clowney then it makes sense for the Texans to move-down especially if Keenum flashes something over the final three games.
If they're picking #1 they will have won at most one game with Keenum under center. The rest of the roster is built to compete right now. They will draft a QB.
would you rather have the best DL in the game and add another great DL prospect and have no QB.

or have the best DL in the game and a potential franchise QB?

if HOU had cushing and foster healthy (who aren't old), they might be at .500 or better.

if they are significantly better next year, they may not be in position to snare a franchise QB for a long time.

i noted earlier, clowney would be a tweener in the 3-4. he will be best served as a 4-3 DE.
You can win in the NFL without a stud DE. You can't win in the NFL without a QB.

Draft the QB then figure the rest out.

 
MAC_32 said:
0% chance if they're picking #1.
I think the odds are low but not 0%

Bridgewater isn't RG III.

He is the 'best' QB prospect of this group but he has a slight frame and whoever the new HC is with the Texans, they might have eyes for a guy like Johnny Football who they feel like they can get a lil-later in the draft so if some team picking fairly high in the draft made a solid offer to move-up either for Bridge or Clowney then it makes sense for the Texans to move-down especially if Keenum flashes something over the final three games.
you are right he may be miles better

 
Bridgewater isn't Cam and he isn't RG III.

I've seen him listed at:

- 192 lbs

- 195 lbs

- 196 lbs

- 200 lbs

- 205 lbs

- 220 lbs

This is what NFL scouts have said about his body type, they seem to indicate he has a slight frame which would mean he's likely under 200 lbs and at 6'3 at under or even if he is 200 or even 205 lbs, that is a low body mass for a starting NFL quarterback let alone the top pick in the NFL draft:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10048168/is-jadeveon-clowney-teddy-bridgewater-better-no-1-option-nfl-hot-read

... One AFC scout said Bridgewater "is a really good athlete with a nice arm, but from what I saw, Mariota was the better prospect." An AFC general manager added that Bridgewater "has dropped off some [since his sophomore year]. He does have that quick release, but he's as thin as can be. All his weight is in his ### and he has skinny ankles and wrists. This is the big-boy league, and you have to be able to absorb pounding. He's a great kid, and he'll get drafted high, but is he a sure thing? I can't say that."
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1874235-2014-nfl-draft-matt-millers-scouting-notebook-for-week-14

— Louisville quarterback Teddy Bridgewater is a favorite of mine, ranked as my second-best quarterback prospect. That's not a sentiment shared by some NFL teams. One scout I spoke with this week complained about Bridgewater's "terrible body" and the team's weak schedule. The junior hasn't yet declared, but there are rumors his value around the league isn't quite on par with the media's love affair with him.
 
I think he has a fake smile
Teddy Bridgewater's weight isn't some made-up silly-season rumor to try to get his draft stock to tank.

He has a slight frame.

Not having the build to withstand the beating he will take is a legitimate red flag for any first round quarterback let alone anyone who is being bandied about to be the first player drafted.

People get fired for much less than blowing the top pick in an NFL draft.

Teddy's weight is not Cam's fake smile, Teddy Bridgewater is 6'3 and if he weighs in under 200 lbs or puts on 8 lbs of fake water weight on a body frame that can't hold muscle then I can see a scenario where Houston would be open to trading out of the top pick.

They fired Kubiac today AFTER Kubes said Matt Schaub was going to start the rest of the season. They fired Kubiac and in the press release stated that Case Keenum was going to start the final three games.

Obviously management wants to see what Case can do.

Their is a reason why Houston's front office wants Keenum to start the final three games and its no coincidence Kubiac got fired AFTER he stated Schaub was going to start the final three games.

 
MAC_32 said:
0% chance if they're picking #1.
I think the odds are low but not 0%Bridgewater isn't RG III.

He is the 'best' QB prospect of this group but he has a slight frame and whoever the new HC is with the Texans, they might have eyes for a guy like Johnny Football who they feel like they can get a lil-later in the draft so if some team picking fairly high in the draft made a solid offer to move-up either for Bridge or Clowney then it makes sense for the Texans to move-down especially if Keenum flashes something over the final three games.
If they're picking #1 they will have won at most one game with Keenum under center. The rest of the roster is built to compete right now. They will draft a QB.
i agree 100%
 
I think he has a fake smile
Teddy Bridgewater's weight isn't some made-up silly-season rumor to try to get his draft stock to tank.He has a slight frame.

Not having the build to withstand the beating he will take is a legitimate red flag for any first round quarterback let alone anyone who is being bandied about to be the first player drafted.

People get fired for much less than blowing the top pick in an NFL draft.

Teddy's weight is not Cam's fake smile, Teddy Bridgewater is 6'3 and if he weighs in under 200 lbs or puts on 8 lbs of fake water weight on a body frame that can't hold muscle then I can see a scenario where Houston would be open to trading out of the top pick.

They fired Kubiac today AFTER Kubes said Matt Schaub was going to start the rest of the season. They fired Kubiac and in the press release stated that Case Keenum was going to start the final three games.

Obviously management wants to see what Case can do.

Their is a reason why Houston's front office wants Keenum to start the final three games and its no coincidence Kubiac got fired AFTER he stated Schaub was going to start the final three games.
yes, there is a reason. it's because they are done trying to win games this season and/or want to see if Case can be a backup QB.

 
Junior DE Jadeveon Clowney has "worn out his welcome" at South Carolina, according to Dan Pompei.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/131251/jadeveon-clowney

"It has been well documented that Clowney plays and practices only when he feels like it," Pompei writes. "Other red flags with Clowney, according to multiple front-office men, are his unusual family situation, his entourage, his inconsistent work ethic and the fact that he has worn out his welcome at South Carolina. Some suspect he is motivated strictly by money, and a big payday could leave him too satisfied." These are strong words, and we will likely hear a lot more about the monstrous defensive end throughout the draft process. This, however, is the first instance of Clowney's family and entourage being questioned. Dec 6 - 1:20 PM

Source: Dan Pompei on Twitter

* but I also heard he has bone spurs that may require surgery after the season (did that happen to jonathan stewart?), so maybe he legitimately has a hard time practicing with that condition (lately i think Calvin Johnson is scheduled to routinely get time off due to a balky knee), and is doing his best to be ready to go for the games?

 
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NFL Network Albert Breer says that Alabama QB AJ McCarron could be the first quarterback taken in next year's NFL draft.

He says AJ is in a similiar situation to Tom Brady when Tom was in Michegan where Brady was surrounded by a slew of talent and scouts knocked him for the superior supporting cast and missed Brady's competative edge. He claims AJ McCarron is similiar to Brady in both reguards and he feels he will rise quickly prior to the draft.

Interesting audio file but he covers lots of other topics before addressing next year's draft. Below the audio file is a different link where he feels McCarron will be the first QB to go in next year's draft.

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2013/12/04/albert-breer-says-a-j-mccarron-has-real-shot-of-being-first-quarterback-taken/

Albert Breer Says A.J. McCarron “Has Real Shot of Being First Quarterback Taken” Listen to Bull & Fox weekdays 2-7pm on 92.3 The Fan December 4, 2013 5:45 PM================================

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1878276-dont-buy-the-draft-hype-on-alabama-qb-aj-mccarron

With only one game remaining in his career at Alabama, AJ McCarron is set to go down in history as one of the most successful collegiate quarterbacks of all time, but that does not necessarily mean he should be an early-round selection in the 2014 NFL draft.

There is a growing faction of anonymous NFL scouts, media draft analysts and fans hyping McCarron to be a top prospect, and it all starts with his success at Alabama.

McCarron is the only starting quarterback to lead a team to back-to-back national championships in the BCS era. He is one of the winningest quarterbacks ever in college football, with a 36-3 career record as a starter for the Crimson Tide. He has thrown 75 career touchdowns with only 13 interceptions, and has completed nearly 67 percent of his career passing attempts.

At least some NFL scouts like what they see in the redshirt senior signal-caller, according to NFL Network’s Albert Breer:

Albert Breer @AlbertBreer Follow

I'll also say this about AJ McCarron -- Enough people like him to where I think he has a shot to be the first quarterback taken.

11:48 AM - 2 Dec 2013

For an NFL.com article, Breer talked to one NFL team’s college scouting director who said McCarron is “very similar” to future Pro Football Hall of Famer and New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, while an area scout told Breer he would draft McCarron in the “latter part of the first (round).”

Breer also wrote, however, that “in some circles, McCarron is seen as a third-round type.” As scouts throughout the NFL have increased opportunities to watch McCarron both in person (potentially at the Senior Bowl) and on tape, it may be the latter circles who have a more accurate evaluation of the well-known winner.

While McCarron has been the right man for the job at Alabama, considering the Crimson Tide’s success with him under center, that team success has had more to do with the wealth of talent around him than it has with McCarron himself.

That surrounding talent has helped mask some of the flaws in McCarron’s game while enabling him to take advantage of its strengths.

McCarron will enter the NFL draft with as much proven success and experience as any quarterback in the class, but he lacks the physical attributes of most of the top signal-callers headed to the league.

Why McCarron is Being Hyped as a Top Draft Pick

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Go to the link for the full read.

 
NFL Network Albert Breer says that Alabama QB AJ McCarron could be the first quarterback taken in next year's NFL draft.

He says AJ is in a similiar situation to Tom Brady when Tom was in Michegan where Brady was surrounded by a slew of talent and scouts knocked him for the superior supporting cast and missed Brady's competative edge. He claims AJ McCarron is similiar to Brady in both reguards and he feels he will rise quickly prior to the draft.
I believe McCarron can be a starting QB in the NFL but I think he's closer to Alex Smith than Tom Brady.

 
NFL Network Albert Breer says that Alabama QB AJ McCarron could be the first quarterback taken in next year's NFL draft.

He says AJ is in a similiar situation to Tom Brady when Tom was in Michegan where Brady was surrounded by a slew of talent and scouts knocked him for the superior supporting cast and missed Brady's competative edge. He claims AJ McCarron is similiar to Brady in both reguards and he feels he will rise quickly prior to the draft.
I believe McCarron can be a starting QB in the NFL but I think he's closer to Alex Smith than Tom Brady.
Alex Smith is definitely a better comparison. Breer's just saying this for the sake of controversy. With this year's QB crop, I can't see McCarron going before the 2nd unless he has the most impressive Senior Bowl game ever.

 
NFL Network Albert Breer says that Alabama QB AJ McCarron could be the first quarterback taken in next year's NFL draft.

He says AJ is in a similiar situation to Tom Brady when Tom was in Michegan where Brady was surrounded by a slew of talent and scouts knocked him for the superior supporting cast and missed Brady's competative edge. He claims AJ McCarron is similiar to Brady in both reguards and he feels he will rise quickly prior to the draft.
I believe McCarron can be a starting QB in the NFL but I think he's closer to Alex Smith than Tom Brady.
Alex Smith is definitely a better comparison. Breer's just saying this for the sake of controversy. With this year's QB crop, I can't see McCarron going before the 2nd unless he has the most impressive Senior Bowl game ever.
Ironic isn't it? Smith being the former top pick, Brady being the late flier.Even with a great bowl game, the combine will probably not help his stock. Whichever team doesn't take a qb in the first should be happy with him.

 
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So tired of the "freak" label.

Give me the Zach Thomas type of player and you can keep Mike Mamula.

 
Is WAS going to win another game? A 38-7 BEAT DOWN in the first half.

Not rooting against them, just keeping score.

The last RGIII first round pick is a sunk cost at this point. No use fretting about it. He can still become a franchise QB as soon as next season. He is still not even one year removed from the injury. He can still be as or more valuable than all the picks traded away for his rights. He will be an interesting projection next year, for redraft and dynasty purposes.

There has been talk about the Texans (only team remaining with just two wins - current #1) possibly being in tank mode. I agree that it makes sense to play Keenum to see what they have in him. Schaub does nothing for them at this point, without needing to presuppose tanking. It could be a corollary or byproduct that they would win more and get a lower pick with Schaub (we don't even know that, most of the losses were on his watch, though there were a lot of close games, examples of questionable coaching, bad kicking, injuries, etc. that conspired against HOU in 2013 - it doesn't sound like too many people are busted up about Kubiak leaving?)... but the obligation of management is to do what is best for the team long term (in this case, evaluate Keenum with the few games left, so they can plan their day at the draft accordingly), not concern themselves with whether their actions are interpreted as being above impropriety or not.

If WAS loses out, all that would mean is they will have as high a possible 2nd rounder (now #34), practically a low first itself. That said, I don't think they are tanking. They have been losing all season. Does it seem to regional observers that the team has given up on Shanahan? I was aware of rumblings about tension between RBIII and the coaching staff (rumors that it could be a Magic Johnson situation - even if untrue, at least the context would be LIKE a Magic situation in that he isn't going anywhere a lot more than the HC), but the below article is the clearest I have ever heard it put, about the depths the unhealthy relationship between Shanahan senior and RGIII has descended to. Especially in pointing out how the nepotism issue with Jr. could be a mechanism for acting as a wedge dividing Sr. and RGIII, in what looks like it will ultimately be both of the Shanahan's undoing, father and son. I hadn't given a lot of thought to assigning a percentage of his liklihood to remain in WAS past this year. It is starting to look very low, like less than 1 in 4 chance, trending towards 10% or less. How do others see his chance of surviving this dumpster fire death spiral of a season?

That would be messed up if it was week 17, and RGIII blows out his ACL again in a meaningless game. I realize he wants to play, but if it is late in the season, it would be foolish to risk another knee injury in the last minute of a meaningless game.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/mike-shanahan-by-hiring-his-son-kyle-has-created-an-untenable-situation/2013/12/04/80b55ee4-5cfe-11e3-be07-006c776266ed_story.html

Jason Reid

"You dont have to be an astute NFL observer to realize Washington Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan could be on the verge of losing his job. The Redskins embarrassing collapse and Shanahans poor overall record in Washington (theres no sugarcoating 24-36) have stirred speculation that team owner Daniel Snyder may fire Shanahan after the season.

Coaches with uncertain job security often dump coordinators in an effort to placate owners demanding change. And if Shanahan returns for the final year of his contract in 2014, defensive coordinator Jim Haslett likely will not. But dont expect Shanahan to oust the teams offensive coordinator because no father wants to fire his son.

There are many reasons to bench Robert Griffin III for the Redskins remaining four games, so the Post Sports Live crew debates whether protecting the quarterback from injury and any other arguments have merit.

The friction between the teams top assistant on offense and its most important player and the fact that the head coach is stuck in the middle is proof that hiring your children can be risky. Assuming the Shanahans remain with the Redskins, Kyle must reconnect with Griffin, who isnt going anywhere. It wont be easy.

Since late last season, it has been known within the organization that Griffin isnt happy working with Kyle. Their differences over play-calling resulted in Griffin losing trust in him, Redskins people with knowledge of the situation say, and that cant help but affect the quarterbacks relationship with the guy who runs the football operation.

Whenever Griffin disagrees with Kyle about the direction of the offense it has happened often he isnt merely at odds with a high-ranking assistant coach. He is challenging the person whose father ultimately determines how the Redskins play. From Griffins perspective, its always two against one. Former Redskins quarterback Donovan McNabb knows the feeling.

During McNabbs season with the Redskins in 2010, he clashed with Kyle about everything from play-calling to the tone he used when criticizing the six-time Pro Bowlers performance in front of the team, a person close to McNabb once told me. McNabb never believed he had the support of the head coach in his disputes with the offensive coordinator, which isnt surprising.

Kyle left a good position running the Houston Texans offense to help his father rebuild the Redskins. The last thing Mike Shanahan wants to do is undermine his son, whom hes grooming to be a head coach. In appearing to unconditionally support Kyle, though, Mike contributed to alienating McNabb and now Griffin.

Thats the sort of problem that can occur for teams led by powerful father-son coaching tandems. Its exactly what Snyder doesnt want.

When Marty Schottenheimer coached the Redskins in 2001, Schottenheimers son, Brian, was the quarterbacks coach. Snyder was uncomfortable with the whole father-son dynamic on his coaching staff."

 
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