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Covid and School This Fall (2 Viewers)
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culdeus
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I posted a little bit of local school stuff in the main rona thread. The private schools are being much more aggressive, you can try to think why that might be. They are under some pressure probably for tuition, more powerful families, and more families that are working essential jobs?
At the same time private school teachers tend to not have pensions, but are more wealthy as a rule than public school teachers. This is leading to public school teachers retiring and private school teachers being put under tremendous pressure to return, to the point with being threatened with their jobs.
All the whole "Kids are zero risk" stuff is really meaningless when you consider teacher to teacher transmission.
Going to be a wheels off next few weeks, some are starting early to makeup for lost time from last year. Should see kids in seats by August 10th. For better or worse.
At the same time private school teachers tend to not have pensions, but are more wealthy as a rule than public school teachers. This is leading to public school teachers retiring and private school teachers being put under tremendous pressure to return, to the point with being threatened with their jobs.
All the whole "Kids are zero risk" stuff is really meaningless when you consider teacher to teacher transmission.
Going to be a wheels off next few weeks, some are starting early to makeup for lost time from last year. Should see kids in seats by August 10th. For better or worse.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
That sucks. Rushing everyone back to school seems shortsighted. I really want to go back, I miss it. I sure am glad I don't have kids and don't have to make these calls.
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culdeus
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My wife is a teacher at a private, I've been seeing her headmaster on the zoom calls and crap. HFS that has to be the worst job on the planet.
My wife also does hiring. The applicants they got for jobs in may were hot garbage. The thought that there are just armies of qualified educators out there ready to step in is silly.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I think you'll notice plenty of people give shader crap - some of it definitely deserved. When that was mostly settled, I think everyone has agreed that it's good news. You repeating it ad nauseum is hurting your case at this point, IMO. The point being, there's a lot more nuance to this discussion than is Covid more or less dangerous than the flu to kids. I doubt I need to do this but I will - let's say Covid killed everyone over 65 if they contract it. I doubt you would repeat that it's more dangerous than the flu constantly. Thankfully, Covid is nowhere near that deadly but we do have kids who live with people that are over 65 - in some cases their main caregiver. Those people are at risk that is unacceptable to some people.I don't get it. shader can continually post death numbers over and over and over every day but I point out possible good news a few times (I dunno where you are getting 30 times) and I get called out for it.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
This is quite frankly, BS - most (not all) are happy to hear good news. I'm happy my kids are getting to go back to school. There's two sides to this coin. Some of us like to be realistic about what is actually happening.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Oh yeah, I have been on interview teams before and it can be rough. We were hiring a Spec Ed. teacher about 5 years ago. We received 4 qualified applicants.
Person A was so nervous he kept complimenting everything and everyone: "What a really nice table in here" "Great tie", "The carpet in the office is just fantastic" and said, "Sorry if I am acting weird, I am on drugs."
Person B was very sweaty, hadn't appeared to have had a haircut in 2 years, had a very unkept beard, brought with him a backpack with a broken strap, had a shirt and tie but the tie was undone down to his mid chest and and his shirt was untucked. He actually was very well spoken, experienced and intelligent.
Person C was a former student at the HS and had been doing some longterm subbing with us. We knew him pretty well and were able to spot several flat out lies on resume. He claimed he graduated with honors and participated in all this stuff in HS. We all remembered him, some of us were his teachers. He was a mediocre student at best and was not involved in anything. We also knew through the grapevine he had 3 previous Spec Ed jobs and quit all 3 in less than a full year, including one where he just left mid school day and never returned.
Person D was a handsome *******. He looked like that big hunky Aussie chef that the ladies fawn over on Food Network and daytime TV. He had a great personality too. The females on the team were very smitten. However, he had no experience and had been out of school for awhile. He owned his own landscaping business and said in the interview he had no plans to give it up and this teaching job was to supplement it.
So we decided to bring B and D back to teach a mock lesson to some teachers. Person B did ok. Person D was awful. Said things that were blatantly inaccurate and spent most of his time talking about something entirely unrelated to the topic assigned. After he admitted it was bad but said it was just because he had been so busy landscaping that he hadn't had time to work on this. So we hired person B and he ended up being ok. He's a disheveled mess but at least he was smart and nice.
So yeah, good luck replacing a bunch of teachers. It is slim pickings.
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
That's not why you repeat it constantly - let's be real. You are using it as a point of argument. It's actually a valid point but at this point we mostly agree on it and the conversation doesn't end there.
I think it's great that for the most part we as parents don't have to worry about our kids dying from this. I've already said my kids are going back.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Depending on the terms of the relief bill currently being negotiated a potential private school teacher candidate may make more on unemployment than if they were actually teaching.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
And @shadyridr - I've got no beef with you. I'm just pointing out that I think the conversation has moved on beyond "does this affect kids worse than the flu". That's a talking point that has been co-opted by people with a political agenda. I don't think that's you, I think you just want what's best for your kids. I know we all do.
shadyridr
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
These NYC protocols are ridiculous. Why even bother trying to open schools?
https://nypost.com/2020/07/30/doe-releases-new-protocols-for-positive-covid-19-cases-in-schools/
https://nypost.com/2020/07/30/doe-releases-new-protocols-for-positive-covid-19-cases-in-schools/
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need2know
Footballguy
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
I don't know what people thought would happen, that's why this whole push to half-### reopening schools is dumb. We know how to stop the spread of coronavirus. Letting it spread through a school is not how to get it done.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
Honestly the plans to reopen schools seem almost entirely based on the hope that coronavirus won't show up there. It's like the MLB deciding "it's fine, let's just play" and then a week later half the Marlins test positive and games have to get cancelled. Can't wait for all the #####ing when inevitably a school somewhere in NJ opens as scheduled and ends up closed by the end of September. Instead of devoting resources to making sure students get the best possible at-home learning experience from day 1 in the fall, we've wasted half the summer figuring out how to spray down desks with disinfectant in the middle of the day and other similar nonsense.
DallasDMac
Footballguy
Is the issue really the kids? I figured the bigger issue is the older students infecting teachers, their parents, etc. and so on. I'm sure most the HS age kids will be ok. But how much might it lead to spread in a large number of neighborhoods? Or take out an entire teaching staff?
matuski
Footballguy
I just got emails from several private (church) schools... crazy tuition is up significantly over their ask last year.
pinequick
Footballguy
Our district had a plan to open 100% (has since gone to 50% for high schoolers), but our principal in an email almost verbatim said: "And I'm pretty sure that we'll be full remote at some point this year." It just sort of seems inevitable, IMO. Oh, and to your point about disinfecting...
Hygiene Theater
Galileo
Footballguy
Cuyahoga County (Cleveland, OH area) Board of Health has recommended schools begin the year remotely. My wife's district is in this county, and they now will have to abandon their hybrid plan. My school is in a neighboring county. As of now our plan is still to open with families having the in person or remote option, but the landscape keeps changing. I will be surprised if this plan sticks by the time we are scheduled to open.
Well, at least in the midst of figuring out how/when/what school will be like this fall, some parents/community members have decided that now is the time that worries over the political correctness of the school mascot should be of utmost concern.
I suppose on the bright side it gets people talking about something other than return to school, masking/social distancing, hybrid plans, remote learning, etc.
I suppose on the bright side it gets people talking about something other than return to school, masking/social distancing, hybrid plans, remote learning, etc.
El Floppo
Footballguy
This will go south, fast.
Btw, Bender is our principal and is fantastic. Has been hugely communicative with the school- even though much of what he's communicating is that he doesn't have the answers and for the most part hasn't been contacted by the Chancellor's office. More often than not he's getting the info from the news...like us. Nice work, Carranza.
Galileo
Footballguy
Additionally, the county has recommended that all extracurricular activities be suspended until the students can return to school. This effectively shuts down the HS fall sports season in NE Ohio...best case scenario is a lengthy delay. As I said, the district where I live and work is a neighboring county. My son's football coaches have decided to eliminate 2-a-day practices which were scheduled to begin tomorrow. They are anticipating a delay in the season at a minimum and thus will only conduct single practices for now.
The Commish
Footballguy
Wife's working on the heart aspect of this thing with some people across the country. They HAVE seen damage in kids, but it doesn't seem as significant and they also don't know how the existing damage will impact them in the future. They are just beginning to look at it, but initially some are thinking that there could be "worse than mild" impacts on the heart tissue.
skol asylum
Footballguy
I haven't read details yet but see some headlines that more studies are showing children can contract Covid at just as high numbers as adults and hospitalizations are rising. I'd think twice if you're already on board in sending them into harm's way. JMO.
skol asylum
Footballguy
Just got this email from my school district. Basically we are asked to choose between brick and mortar which will start off online and an online academy which already existed for 7-12 but they just added K-6. We chose the online academy.
We are writing to let you know that the CUSD Governing Board has moved the August 12th meeting to August 5th to discuss the first day of in-person instruction. Also note, Arizona Health Services are expected to provide benchmarks next week to help guide our in-person reopening plans.
A number of families have requested a change in preference for virtual/in-person vs. Chandler Online Academy. The schools are maintaining a list of these requests. Please understand that we cannot accommodate these changes at this time. Continuous adjustments are making it extremely difficult for us to solidify class schedules, rosters and staffing. However, we are working hard to provide you a quality experience in both models.
Thank you for your patience as we continue our Safer Stronger Together reopening plans.
I have a strong feeling it will all get shut down and go online at some point this fall. Just a matter of when.
We are writing to let you know that the CUSD Governing Board has moved the August 12th meeting to August 5th to discuss the first day of in-person instruction. Also note, Arizona Health Services are expected to provide benchmarks next week to help guide our in-person reopening plans.
A number of families have requested a change in preference for virtual/in-person vs. Chandler Online Academy. The schools are maintaining a list of these requests. Please understand that we cannot accommodate these changes at this time. Continuous adjustments are making it extremely difficult for us to solidify class schedules, rosters and staffing. However, we are working hard to provide you a quality experience in both models.
Thank you for your patience as we continue our Safer Stronger Together reopening plans.
I have a strong feeling it will all get shut down and go online at some point this fall. Just a matter of when.
Jim Stoppani experience regarding heart issues from childhood virus
Just linking the article above, as while Covid may not affect people the same, I had also read the same info about potential heart damage (in addition to the lung damage they are seeing in asymptomatic children), and then the article above came out (it's a personal anecdote from Dr. Jim Stoppani, who is a figure in the fitness industry) which is a personal anecdote about his own heart related issues that stemmed from contracting a virus in childhood where he recalls fever, etc. as the primary symptoms.
Out of curiosity, is the Online Academy your only option for online education?
Asking because in our district right now you either have the choice of going online with the normal high school teachers or going online with their Academy, which has been around for a number of years for the 7-12 grade levels. The online academy may not have all of the same offerings as the high school, but will get all of the general education and can handle most Honors/AP level courses from what I was told. If you choose to go with home school, then they are saying when there is a return to school allowed, you would have the choice to either come back in person, or stay online with your teachers. If you choose the online academy, you are basically locked into that for the year.
One big catch is, if they are able to return to in person school, they intend to have the regular high school teachers do not only the in-person classes, but also the online kids that chose to not go through the separate academy, they don't yet have a real plan on how they would accomplish this. They have asked everyone to essentially commit to their intention - online year round through academy, online through home school with intent to come back in person if allowed, or online through home school but remain remote if schools open. This helps them resource plan a bit for if they are able to reopen schools by giving them an idea of how many kids plan to come back, but the lack of a plan on how to do both in person and online with the same teacher is a bit disconcerting.
Doug B
Footballguy
We made a similar choice for our two kids. One difference here is that no middle- or high-school student in the local school system will attend a brick-&-mortar school more than two days per week. The options for parents are (a) two days at the school, three days online per week; or (b) five days online per week.
Right now, they are allowing elementary-school grades to attend the school buildings five days per week, with K-5 parents also having the all-online option.
skol asylum
Footballguy
We could choose the brick and mortar which keeps her at the same school (6th grade) which is starting online right now for 2 weeks and scheduled to go in person after. I'd love for her to keep that connection to her school but I'm not comfortable with them deciding when you want to go back. I believe we committed for a full year at the academy because who is to say at the end of which quarter things will be better? Bottom line is we are erring on the side of caution and don't want the decision of going in person forced upon us.
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skol asylum
Footballguy
Was easier with my 10th grader because they started online school last year at ASU Digital Prep.
Doug B
Footballguy
Cross-posted from the main FFA COVID-19 thread -- seems germane to the discussion here as well.
skol asylum
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Well, it's already established that physical damage to heart tissue doesn't regenerate. The quest for "why" has been going on for decades. This is another opportunity/avenue to explore that. Any damage done by this virus is definitely permanent. The question is, how impactful will that damage be to the body long term. This is one of the many reasons I get pissed at the "eh, the kid isn't likely to die from it" nonsense we see in defense of opening schools. It's completely short sighted and lazy.
DallasDMac
Footballguy
Well good to see the Texas Governor and AG learned well from infecting their entire state with COVID. They wouldn't allow Mayor's to control openings in their own cities and we had an explosion of cases we still haven't recovered from. So when the Mayor's stated they wanted health officials to have the decision of whether to open schools for in-school attendance, the Governor and AG... (wait for it)... over-ruled everyone again and said nope, up to the schools. Because it worked out SO WELL THE FIRST TIME! I honesty just can't fathom the thought processes of these... people.
Got it. For us, it seems like if you have chosen online for year you can not opt to change to in person (their staffing is going ot be based on those who said they would come back), but, if you stated you would likely come back in person, you could stay online at that point in time if you were not comfortable. Like you, I wouldn't want anyone dictating when my kid had to come back into a building, but from how it was explained to us, but it easier for them to scale down resources than try restructure them to scale up if more kids suddenly decide to come, we stated our intent would be to have our kids back in class when allowed, because we then had the option to stay online if we were uncomfortable.
Really wish there was a "Thumbs Up" icon to use in the like/thanks/love/cry thing - seems like the smiley face wasn't quite right
shadyridr
Footballguy
skol asylum
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
skol asylum
Footballguy
skol asylum
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
My kids district is going virtual only until beginning of Nov. and they will reassess in Oct to see if they are going to continue down that path. Meanwhile, 15mins up the road in the same conference another school is going full time, and plan to do all sports. It's weird around here.
shadyridr
Footballguy
If they shutdown and entire school because one kid gets sick I agree and completely unrealistic. I never thought we would get to this point to shutdown entire schools for one sick kid. I feel like we've gone past the point of sanity.
Shutout
Footballguy
A few common sense things I just have come to know is
-if I send my young child to school with a Spider man PPE mask...he's gonna come home with an Iron man PPE mask. Point being, there is NO way you can legislate safe distancing and proper precautions with kids.
-We can't trust the parents of the majority of kids, to take precautions, apparently, because,well, go toWal-Mart, Target, grocery, etc. Despite company AND (In some cases) state regulations for everyone to wear masks in stores....they don't. And half the people wearing them obviously don't understand the mechanics of how the nose assists the body in breathing and taking in and exhaling air.
-so, because of point 1 and 2, there is no defense to keep this from running rampant and I don't understand how so many people are willingo push it. I mean, I obviously get that people have lots of personal and other reasons why they want their kids back in school and want some normalcy, but if you can't protect the front end, how do you protect the back end (parents and at risk people who get exposed because of the obvious issues with point 1 and 2)?
If nothing else at all, I think it is careless to be willing to risk exposure to children under the blanket statement of "children have such a very low mortality rate" because the honest truth is we don't know enough about this new virus to know for certain the potential underlying long-term effects. If this virus is sophisticated enough to draw a line with age brackets based on things such as not-yet developed ACE2 receptors, then it stands to reason that we may not know the entire Gambit of effects that may exist over time. What if this virus mutates a gene that exacerbates illness when they hit puberty, etc, for example?
All in all, given the unknowns, I think if someone gives me an option where one is "you're likely, based on 6 months of data, to be ok if you're young but risk some people you live with" vs. "sit tight and you avoid things for sure", I think I need a much more compelling argument before I go with option 1.
-if I send my young child to school with a Spider man PPE mask...he's gonna come home with an Iron man PPE mask. Point being, there is NO way you can legislate safe distancing and proper precautions with kids.
-We can't trust the parents of the majority of kids, to take precautions, apparently, because,well, go toWal-Mart, Target, grocery, etc. Despite company AND (In some cases) state regulations for everyone to wear masks in stores....they don't. And half the people wearing them obviously don't understand the mechanics of how the nose assists the body in breathing and taking in and exhaling air.
-so, because of point 1 and 2, there is no defense to keep this from running rampant and I don't understand how so many people are willingo push it. I mean, I obviously get that people have lots of personal and other reasons why they want their kids back in school and want some normalcy, but if you can't protect the front end, how do you protect the back end (parents and at risk people who get exposed because of the obvious issues with point 1 and 2)?
If nothing else at all, I think it is careless to be willing to risk exposure to children under the blanket statement of "children have such a very low mortality rate" because the honest truth is we don't know enough about this new virus to know for certain the potential underlying long-term effects. If this virus is sophisticated enough to draw a line with age brackets based on things such as not-yet developed ACE2 receptors, then it stands to reason that we may not know the entire Gambit of effects that may exist over time. What if this virus mutates a gene that exacerbates illness when they hit puberty, etc, for example?
All in all, given the unknowns, I think if someone gives me an option where one is "you're likely, based on 6 months of data, to be ok if you're young but risk some people you live with" vs. "sit tight and you avoid things for sure", I think I need a much more compelling argument before I go with option 1.
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Shutout
Footballguy
NEW from CDC: #COVID19 outbreak at an overnight camp in Georgia infects *at least* 260 campers & staff.
-51% of positives 6-10yo
-44% 11-17 yo
-Camp required a test <12 days before arriving & attempted "pods"
-Masks required for staff but NOT campers
-*Out of 597 campers & staff, 344 were tested and 76% of those tests were positive
-26% positives report no symptoms
-Bottom line from @CDCgov: Children of *all* ages are susceptible to #SARSCOV2 & "might play an important role in transmission"
This was in Raben county and interesting enough, happened in June. So it's kind of funny that this really never garnered any traction as the discussions to reopen were getting underway.
