Holcomb is actually a pretty decent QB and I expect him to win the starting job.(Rotoworld) BuffaloBills.com reports that Kelly Holcomb was the most consistent Bills QB at minicamp.
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this would also be a plus to mcgahee owners, he did much better with holcomb under centerHolcomb is actually a pretty decent QB and I expect him to win the starting job.(Rotoworld) BuffaloBills.com reports that Kelly Holcomb was the most consistent Bills QB at minicamp.
Impact: Consider the source, but Holcomb seems to have a head start over his young competition on learning the new Bills system. He'll split snaps with Craig Nall and J.P. Losman until camp.
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I personally don't think he's as good as the perception. Sort of like Volek in that respect. In any case, if the season starts to slip away I would expect to see Nall or Losman get some shots.Holcomb is actually a pretty decent QB and I expect him to win the starting job.(Rotoworld) BuffaloBills.com reports that Kelly Holcomb was the most consistent Bills QB at minicamp.
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We've already seen what they have in Losman. And quite frankly, i don't want to see any more. Donahoe should be forced to pay this guy right out of his own pocket.Holcomb's 33 years old, a career journeyman, mediocre at best QB. Buffalo's not going anywhere, so I don't see the point in playing him and not seeing what they have in the young guys.
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Well, he could still suck or not start. But minus my mistakenly crossing off an available Griese in that draft, I think Nall was a solid choice, albeit way too early. FWIW, with Favre back Nall is my QB3, not QB2.Props to ConstruxBoy for making this call.![]()
That said, it is a sad state of affairs for an organization that can be looking at Craig Nall vs. Holcomb vs. Losman. How long ago does 4 Super Bowl appearances feel?
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If Nall is as good as advertised, then I would expect him to start. Losman isn't ready and could use another year learning since he was raw coming into the NFL. He should never had played his rookie year to begin with. Holcomb has completed 67% of his passes the last two years and only a handful of QB's had a higher % last year. I think he's a capable QB who doesn't make a lot of mistakes. Before his miserable week 17 game against the Jets had thrown for 8 TD's to only 4 INT's. He's a stopgap, but that may be the best thing for the Bills right now.I personally don't think he's as good as the perception. Sort of like Volek in that respect. In any case, if the season starts to slip away I would expect to see Nall or Losman get some shots.Holcomb is actually a pretty decent QB and I expect him to win the starting job.(Rotoworld) BuffaloBills.com reports that Kelly Holcomb was the most consistent Bills QB at minicamp.
Impact: Consider the source, but Holcomb seems to have a head start over his young competition on learning the new Bills system. He'll split snaps with Craig Nall and J.P. Losman until camp.
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True, but my personal opinion is that he is not as good as his stats. Regardless, I would guess (hope) that with a new coach, GM and President, the Bills do not want a stopgap but instead want a younger guy who they can build into a solid NFL QB. And that new coach, GM and President went out and got Nall.If Nall is as good as advertised, then I would expect him to start. Losman isn't ready and could use another year learning since he was raw coming into the NFL. He should never had played his rookie year to begin with. Holcomb has completed 67% of his passes the last two years and only a handful of QB's had a higher % last year. I think he's a capable QB who doesn't make a lot of mistakes. Before his miserable week 17 game against the Jets had thrown for 8 TD's to only 4 INT's. He's a stopgap, but that may be the best thing for the Bills right now.I personally don't think he's as good as the perception. Sort of like Volek in that respect. In any case, if the season starts to slip away I would expect to see Nall or Losman get some shots.Holcomb is actually a pretty decent QB and I expect him to win the starting job.(Rotoworld) BuffaloBills.com reports that Kelly Holcomb was the most consistent Bills QB at minicamp.
Impact: Consider the source, but Holcomb seems to have a head start over his young competition on learning the new Bills system. He'll split snaps with Craig Nall and J.P. Losman until camp.
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Which of these backup QBs that switched teams in the offseason would succeed the most if pressed into service?
42%
Brian Griese CHI
22%
Jeff Garcia PHI
12%
Gus Frerotte STL
6%
Anthony Wright CIN
6%
Mike McMahon MIN
6%
Craig Nall BUF
3%
Todd Collins WAS
2%
Sage Rosenfels HOU
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FlaVVed. No Rattay option.Just to add fuel to the embers that are in the Craig Nall fire:
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NFL POLL
Which of these backup QBs that switched teams in the offseason would succeed the most if pressed into service?
42%
Brian Griese CHI
22%
Jeff Garcia PHI
12%
Gus Frerotte STL
6%
Anthony Wright CIN
6%
Mike McMahon MIN
6%
Craig Nall BUF
3%
Todd Collins WAS
2%
Sage Rosenfels HOU
Total Votes: 44882
We've seen him play less than a full season. He was hurt in 2004 so 2005 was his true first season. He wasn't handled properly and never given a fair shot. Impatience is what screws these young kids over. It usually takes about 3 years for QBs to get the hang of things, this kid was given less than 1 and everybody has signed off on him. Jim Kelly thought the same as well, he wasn't given a fair shake and last season was very unfavorable. He was in and out of the starting lineup. The kid has talent, he has an arm and can make plays happen. It'll take him a while. Holcomb can't complete a pass over 10 yards, that isn't going to get you anywhere. Anybody can go in and throw dumpoff pass after dumpoff pass. Give the kid a chance, you guys are all ready to throw him to the wolves but he didn't do that bad considering it was his first season and the situation he was in. A full year would've helped him alot more and the team would be in better condition this season. They weren't winning last season and instead of riding it out decided to flip flop with Holcomb, and that still didn't change anything.We've already seen what they have in Losman. And quite frankly, i don't want to see any more. Donahoe should be forced to pay this guy right out of his own pocket.Holcomb's 33 years old, a career journeyman, mediocre at best QB. Buffalo's not going anywhere, so I don't see the point in playing him and not seeing what they have in the young guys.
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I think that the issue with Losman, like Harrington, is as much in the huddle as it is at the line of scrimmage.We've seen him play less than a full season. He was hurt in 2004 so 2005 was his true first season. He wasn't handled properly and never given a fair shot. Impatience is what screws these young kids over. It usually takes about 3 years for QBs to get the hang of things, this kid was given less than 1 and everybody has signed off on him. Jim Kelly thought the same as well, he wasn't given a fair shake and last season was very unfavorable. He was in and out of the starting lineup. The kid has talent, he has an arm and can make plays happen. It'll take him a while. Holcomb can't complete a pass over 10 yards, that isn't going to get you anywhere. Anybody can go in and throw dumpoff pass after dumpoff pass. Give the kid a chance, you guys are all ready to throw him to the wolves but he didn't do that bad considering it was his first season and the situation he was in. A full year would've helped him alot more and the team would be in better condition this season. They weren't winning last season and instead of riding it out decided to flip flop with Holcomb, and that still didn't change anything.We've already seen what they have in Losman. And quite frankly, i don't want to see any more. Donahoe should be forced to pay this guy right out of his own pocket.Holcomb's 33 years old, a career journeyman, mediocre at best QB. Buffalo's not going anywhere, so I don't see the point in playing him and not seeing what they have in the young guys.
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Holcomb's 33 years old, a career journeyman, mediocre at best QB. Buffalo's not going anywhere, so I don't see the point in playing him and not seeing what they have in the young guys.
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The Bills' coaching staff must think that one of those guys can be effective or they surely would have drafted Leinart or Cutler when both were available at 1.8.
As a Bills fan I cling to the desperate hope that Losman can dramatically improve in his second year as a starter. It's not uncommon for QBs to do badly in the first year they start.
Eli Manning 2004
9 games/7 starts 95/197 at 48.2% for 1043 yards, 6 TDs/9 INTs
Losman 2005
9 games/8 starts 113/228 at 49.6% for 1340 yards, 8 TDs/8 INTs.
I hope that Losman can make a similar leap. Holcomb make be ok for a year or two but I don't believe he will ever turn the Bills into a contender. Eli led the Giants to a divisional title in his second year as starter.
I can dream can't I?
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I've always liked what I've seen when he got a chance. I think the Packers made a mistake in letting him go.You don't earn an MVP for just being average, even though it was the NFL Europe, the guy can make things happen and can flat out play.Craig Nall has looked very good in just about every situation he's been in. Although its a small sample size, his numbers are very encouraging and if he takes the job in Billsland I don't see him giving it back.
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What situations are you talking about? NFL Europe four years ago? Preseason? Minicamp 7 on 7? Nall did not take one snap from center in a real game last season and has never taken a meaningful snap in his NFL career as far as I know. He had a nice mop-up showing at Soldier field in a blowout two years ago - I vaguely remember a nice long TD pass to someone - by the time he got in the game I had about eight Guiness in my belly and was wandering around the concourse dishing out abuse to the toothless Bear fans.[Great new avatar Mr. Pack!]Craig Nall has looked very good in just about every situation he's been in. Although its a small sample size, his numbers are very encouraging and if he takes the job in Billsland I don't see him giving it back.
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Thanks! Everytime I look at him I
Not sure if you're serious...But he probly would be a better option than Sage Rosenfels...FlaVVed. No Rattay option.Just to add fuel to the embers that are in the Craig Nall fire:
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NFL POLL
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Holcomb appears to be one of those Qbs who the more he plays, the more his flaws get exposed. He is best coming into a game after an injury and maybe starting a handful of games.If Nall is as good as advertised, then I would expect him to start. Losman isn't ready and could use another year learning since he was raw coming into the NFL. He should never had played his rookie year to begin with. Holcomb has completed 67% of his passes the last two years and only a handful of QB's had a higher % last year. I think he's a capable QB who doesn't make a lot of mistakes. Before his miserable week 17 game against the Jets had thrown for 8 TD's to only 4 INT's. He's a stopgap, but that may be the best thing for the Bills right now.I personally don't think he's as good as the perception. Sort of like Volek in that respect. In any case, if the season starts to slip away I would expect to see Nall or Losman get some shots.Holcomb is actually a pretty decent QB and I expect him to win the starting job.(Rotoworld) BuffaloBills.com reports that Kelly Holcomb was the most consistent Bills QB at minicamp.
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I am serious. Yeah, I missed the part about being moved in the offseason. So yeah, he should not be in this poll. I just would like to see what Rattay can do when given some time to throw the ball. If I can cut David Carr some slack for his performance behind Houston's line then I also cut Rattay some slack for his performance playing behind SF's line.Not sure if you're serious...But he probly would be a better option than Sage Rosenfels...FlaVVed. No Rattay option.Just to add fuel to the embers that are in the Craig Nall fire:
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except he was traded mid-year last season (not in the offseason as the poll says)
That being said, there's apparantly a wide-open competition between Rattay and Luke McCown to be TBs backup.
I can't imagine them keeping all 4 QBs (including Gradkowski) unless theyre allowed to put one on a practice squad roster.
Maybe McCown or Rattay get traded.
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He was also behind Pederson on the depth chart for much of his time in Green Bay.What situations are you talking about? NFL Europe four years ago? Preseason? Minicamp 7 on 7? Nall did not take one snap from center in a real game last season and has never taken a meaningful snap in his NFL career as far as I know. He had a nice mop-up showing at Soldier field in a blowout two years ago - I vaguely remember a nice long TD pass to someone - by the time he got in the game I had about eight Guiness in my belly and was wandering around the concourse dishing out abuse to the toothless Bear fans.[Great new avatar Mr. Pack!]Craig Nall has looked very good in just about every situation he's been in. Although its a small sample size, his numbers are very encouraging and if he takes the job in Billsland I don't see him giving it back.
I can't remember where I read it (been scanning far too many sites for tidbits), but from what I've read, Nall has been having a hard time and hasn't looked very good at all. I assume Holcomb will be the opening day starter.He was also behind Pederson on the depth chart for much of his time in Green Bay.What situations are you talking about? NFL Europe four years ago? Preseason? Minicamp 7 on 7? Nall did not take one snap from center in a real game last season and has never taken a meaningful snap in his NFL career as far as I know. He had a nice mop-up showing at Soldier field in a blowout two years ago - I vaguely remember a nice long TD pass to someone - by the time he got in the game I had about eight Guiness in my belly and was wandering around the concourse dishing out abuse to the toothless Bear fans.[Great new avatar Mr. Pack!]Craig Nall has looked very good in just about every situation he's been in. Although its a small sample size, his numbers are very encouraging and if he takes the job in Billsland I don't see him giving it back.
That's unpossible!I can't remember where I read it (been scanning far too many sites for tidbits), but from what I've read, Nall has been having a hard time and hasn't looked very good at all. I assume Holcomb will be the opening day starter.He was also behind Pederson on the depth chart for much of his time in Green Bay.What situations are you talking about? NFL Europe four years ago? Preseason? Minicamp 7 on 7? Nall did not take one snap from center in a real game last season and has never taken a meaningful snap in his NFL career as far as I know. He had a nice mop-up showing at Soldier field in a blowout two years ago - I vaguely remember a nice long TD pass to someone - by the time he got in the game I had about eight Guiness in my belly and was wandering around the concourse dishing out abuse to the toothless Bear fans.[Great new avatar Mr. Pack!]Craig Nall has looked very good in just about every situation he's been in. Although its a small sample size, his numbers are very encouraging and if he takes the job in Billsland I don't see him giving it back.
Nall comes from a west coast offense so will likely need some time to adjust. I don't think you can really read too much into minicamp performance either. This was one of the reports on him:I can't remember where I read it (been scanning far too many sites for tidbits), but from what I've read, Nall has been having a hard time and hasn't looked very good at all. I assume Holcomb will be the opening day starter.
I still think Losman wins the job in the end, but wouldn't be too surprised if Holcomb won it. Nall definitely still seems like a bit of a longshot at this point.QUARTERBACKS
The quarterback competition took another step, but according to Jauron no one signal caller distanced himself from the other two.
Kelly Holcomb appeared to be the most consistent passer of the three and with his experience in the league it's not surprising, as he appears to have a bit more comfort with the new system than the other two. Craig Nall, who had a pair of interceptions in this camp, admits he's still working through a few things.
"I think I’m doing pretty good overall," said Nall. "The one thing I’m struggling with right now is reading plays a little bit different. There might be a coaching point here or there that I have to forget about and learn it a different way.”
J.P. Losman appeared more disciplined in this camp and took fewer chances, but still wasn't afraid to gun a ball into some tight areas. He made good reads for the most part, but did have one turnover.
Holcomb is actually a pretty decent QB and I expect him to win the starting job.(Rotoworld) BuffaloBills.com reports that Kelly Holcomb was the most consistent Bills QB at minicamp.
Impact: Consider the source, but Holcomb seems to have a head start over his young competition on learning the new Bills system. He'll split snaps with Craig Nall and J.P. Losman until camp.
If Holcomb becomes the starter I'm putting my tickets on eBay along with my McGahee and Spikes authentic jersey's. They'll be worthless by game 4.
To think that Levy/Jauron would even consider starting him makes me sick.
Thank you for pointing this out everyone is so down on Losman and without good reason. Give the guy time, the Bill traded up to get him in the draft and are now going to scrap him after his first year? The Bills are a shadow of their former selves.The Bills' coaching staff must think that one of those guys can be effective or they surely would have drafted Leinart or Cutler when both were available at 1.8.
As a Bills fan I cling to the desperate hope that Losman can dramatically improve in his second year as a starter. It's not uncommon for QBs to do badly in the first year they start.
Eli Manning 2004
9 games/7 starts 95/197 at 48.2% for 1043 yards, 6 TDs/9 INTs
Losman 2005
9 games/8 starts 113/228 at 49.6% for 1340 yards, 8 TDs/8 INTs.
I hope that Losman can make a similar leap. Holcomb make be ok for a year or two but I don't believe he will ever turn the Bills into a contender. Eli led the Giants to a divisional title in his second year as starter.
I can dream can't I?
Surfer dude Losman is the way of the future.As crazy as it sounds, I'd really rather the Bills go 2-14 this year while getting Nall or Losman some good experience for the future than go 6-10 with Holcomb in there. Hell, draft Quinn next year if they both suck that bad.
too bad most of those completions are for under 5 yards - even when its 4th and 7.Holcomb is a good backup for a 1 game stint - he does not get the ball downfield to challenge the defense and open up the running game.If Nall is as good as advertised, then I would expect him to start. Losman isn't ready and could use another year learning since he was raw coming into the NFL. He should never had played his rookie year to begin with. Holcomb has completed 67% of his passes the last two years and only a handful of QB's had a higher % last year. I think he's a capable QB who doesn't make a lot of mistakes. Before his miserable week 17 game against the Jets had thrown for 8 TD's to only 4 INT's. He's a stopgap, but that may be the best thing for the Bills right now.I personally don't think he's as good as the perception. Sort of like Volek in that respect. In any case, if the season starts to slip away I would expect to see Nall or Losman get some shots.Holcomb is actually a pretty decent QB and I expect him to win the starting job.(Rotoworld) BuffaloBills.com reports that Kelly Holcomb was the most consistent Bills QB at minicamp.
Impact: Consider the source, but Holcomb seems to have a head start over his young competition on learning the new Bills system. He'll split snaps with Craig Nall and J.P. Losman until camp.
Losman != Rob JohnsonSurfer dude Losman is the way of the future.As crazy as it sounds, I'd really rather the Bills go 2-14 this year while getting Nall or Losman some good experience for the future than go 6-10 with Holcomb in there. Hell, draft Quinn next year if they both suck that bad.![]()
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Losman != Rob JohnsonSurfer dude Losman is the way of the future.As crazy as it sounds, I'd really rather the Bills go 2-14 this year while getting Nall or Losman some good experience for the future than go 6-10 with Holcomb in there. Hell, draft Quinn next year if they both suck that bad.![]()
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No kidding. This board is famous for throwing guys under the bus before they get a shot. Some people prey for guys to fail and I don't understand why. I'm going to call it now, once Rivers struggles they're going to freak out and want the head of everybody in the SD front office.Thank you for pointing this out everyone is so down on Losman and without good reason. Give the guy time, the Bill traded up to get him in the draft and are now going to scrap him after his first year? The Bills are a shadow of their former selves.The Bills' coaching staff must think that one of those guys can be effective or they surely would have drafted Leinart or Cutler when both were available at 1.8.
As a Bills fan I cling to the desperate hope that Losman can dramatically improve in his second year as a starter. It's not uncommon for QBs to do badly in the first year they start.
Eli Manning 2004
9 games/7 starts 95/197 at 48.2% for 1043 yards, 6 TDs/9 INTs
Losman 2005
9 games/8 starts 113/228 at 49.6% for 1340 yards, 8 TDs/8 INTs.
I hope that Losman can make a similar leap. Holcomb make be ok for a year or two but I don't believe he will ever turn the Bills into a contender. Eli led the Giants to a divisional title in his second year as starter.
I can dream can't I?
(KFFL) Allen Wilson, writing for the Sporting News, reports the Buffalo Bills three-man quarterback competition between QBs J.P. Losman, Kelly Holcomb and Craig Nall is tight and will continue into training camp.