Crayton-homers give us your thoughts (1 Viewer)

[jurrassic]

I was hoping to get some info from some Cowboys fans on the Crayton/Glenn situation. It sounds to me as if Glenn will most likely be out for the year, but he hesitated to make the call last night. His career could very well be over. That being said, is Crayton riding the hype machine or is this guy capable of replicating Glenn's numbers 1000 and 7 this year. The Cowboys have alot of offensive talent but Crayton should get his opprotunties early as now teams will focus even more on Owens and Witten. Is this guy worth a roster spot over a guy like Kevin Curtis. Is Sam Hurd going to platoon? What's the word?

 

[Urinal Mint]

Crayton is just a guy. He'll be serviceable with guys like TO and Witten there to draw defenders, but he isn't the scary deep threat Glenn is. I honestly think Sam Hurd is the better play here and that he'll probably see some split time at the flanker.

The Cowboys aren't giving a big lean either way on Hurd getting PT but I think he has break-out ability that Crayton doesn't have.

 

[Dt's Mules]

I was hoping to get some info from some Cowboys fans on the Crayton/Glenn situation. It sounds to me as if Glenn will most likely be out for the year, but he hesitated to make the call last night. His career could very well be over. That being said, is Crayton riding the hype machine or is this guy capable of replicating Glenn's numbers 1000 and 7 this year. The Cowboys have alot of offensive talent but Crayton should get his opprotunties early as now teams will focus even more on Owens and Witten. Is this guy worth a roster spot over a guy like Kevin Curtis. Is Sam Hurd going to platoon? What's the word?

i've always thought he should stay in the slot and let someone else replace glenn, but I don't know what will happen yet.don't think any of them would be better than kevin curtis though.

 

[jurrassic]

This is the type of info I am looking for. I kind of feel like the Crayton hype machine has begun, and don't really think he has the same type of skill set Glenn had. A typical stat line for Glenn was 3-4 catches for 76 yards and a td. Crayton does not have that type of speed, and I feel he will be the 4th-5th option in the offense.

 

[Rushmore]

Crayton is just a guy. He'll be serviceable with guys like TO and Witten there to draw defenders, but he isn't the scary deep threat Glenn is. I honestly think Sam Hurd is the better play here and that he'll probably see some split time at the flanker.The Cowboys aren't giving a big lean either way on Hurd getting PT but I think he has break-out ability that Crayton doesn't have.

Thanks for that.I'm anxious to see some more thoughts on this.

 

[BigTex]

Crayton, go with Crayton.

 

[DWidmar]

Crayton is just a guy. He'll be serviceable with guys like TO and Witten there to draw defenders, but he isn't the scary deep threat Glenn is. I honestly think Sam Hurd is the better play here and that he'll probably see some split time at the flanker.The Cowboys aren't giving a big lean either way on Hurd getting PT but I think he has break-out ability that Crayton doesn't have.

Surprised me that Hurd hasn't been mentioned more for the Cowboys. He seems to be faster and have more natural receiving talent than Crayton. I think he will end up with more playing time there. I remember Parcells was high on him last year.

 

[DaTruth]

I have Crayton on my bench. ( I drafted him late). But i don't think I can start him over Roy Williams or B. Edwards. Even with Romo as my QB, i can't go with Crayton. I don't think he'll see the rock his way that much. Romo loves to feed TO.

DaTruth

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Is now the time to trade Crayton is what I'm wondering.

 

[Jayrod]

I wish there was a way that I could replace Colston with Crayton now.

Crayton is currently my WR4. I figured that either Glenn or TO (or both) would miss time this year. Just didn't expect it in week 1.

That said, I'm not putting him in ahead of Chad Johnson and Santonio Holmes this weekend. I'd like to wait and see how much he is targeted compared to TO, Witten & MBIII. Lots of options still for Romo. I really wish I owned Witten at this point because I think he becomes the #2 option in the passing game now.

 

[BigTex]

Is now the time to trade Crayton is what I'm wondering.

Shtick?

 

[Jayrod]

Is now the time to trade Crayton is what I'm wondering.

Totally depends on what you'll get for him.I'm thinking about shopping him for some WR's I have ranked higher. You might need to wait a week, see if he has a good game and then target a WR who struggled in week 1 (ala Colston, but that may be shooting a little too high).

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Is now the time to trade Crayton is what I'm wondering.

Shtick?

Uh, no. If people are willing to plug in Glenn's numbers from last year, I think it's time to sell high.

 

[Jayrod]

Is now the time to trade Crayton is what I'm wondering.

Shtick?

Uh, no. If people are willing to plug in Glenn's numbers from last year, I think it's time to sell high.

Glenn was starting ahead of Crayton for a reason.

 

[LHUCKS]

Crayton is a free agent after the year is over and could land in a nice #2 spot...a lah Kevin Curtis to the Eagles.

Just a heads up.

 

[CrossEyed]

Is now the time to trade Crayton is what I'm wondering.

Shtick?

Uh, no. If people are willing to plug in Glenn's numbers from last year, I think it's time to sell high.

Glenn was starting ahead of Crayton for a reason.

So because a veteran is starting over a younger player it means that the younger player can never be as good? Interesting logic there.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Is now the time to trade Crayton is what I'm wondering.

Shtick?

Uh, no. If people are willing to plug in Glenn's numbers from last year, I think it's time to sell high.

Glenn was starting ahead of Crayton for a reason.

So because a veteran is starting over a younger player it means that the younger player can never be as good? Interesting logic there.

Who said "never?"

 

[Dt's Mules]

Is now the time to trade Crayton is what I'm wondering.

Shtick?

Uh, no. If people are willing to plug in Glenn's numbers from last year, I think it's time to sell high.

Glenn was starting ahead of Crayton for a reason.

So because a veteran is starting over a younger player it means that the younger player can never be as good? Interesting logic there.

nor does it mean that he will equal or exceed the vets production....sell high imo

 

[BigTex]

Currently being reported:

Glenn was on the field practicing, looking good. Later the knee began to swell. The docs took a look and it was something "new" not the cartridge that he had surgery on (in other words something else caused the knee to swell). The "out for the season" was an overreaction because this is something different (injury).

 

[BigTex]

Is now the time to trade Crayton is what I'm wondering.

Shtick?

Uh, no. If people are willing to plug in Glenn's numbers from last year, I think it's time to sell high.

I C

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Currently being reported:

Glenn was on the field practicing, looking good. Later the knee began to swell. The docs took a look and it was something "new" not the cartridge that he had surgery on (in other words something else caused the knee to swell). The "out for the season" was an overreaction because this is something different (injury).

That's quite an overreaction.

 

[BigTex]

Currently being reported:

Glenn was on the field practicing, looking good. Later the knee began to swell. The docs took a look and it was something "new" not the cartridge that he had surgery on (in other words something else caused the knee to swell). The "out for the season" was an overreaction because this is something different (injury).

That's quite an overreaction.

LOL, I know. It was Mickey reporting this on the Ticket.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Currently being reported:

Glenn was on the field practicing, looking good. Later the knee began to swell. The docs took a look and it was something "new" not the cartridge that he had surgery on (in other words something else caused the knee to swell). The "out for the season" was an overreaction because this is something different (injury).

That's quite an overreaction.

LOL, I know. It was Mickey reporting this on the Ticket.

Ah, the Mickeroo.

 

[BigTex]

Currently being reported:

Glenn was on the field practicing, looking good. Later the knee began to swell. The docs took a look and it was something "new" not the cartridge that he had surgery on (in other words something else caused the knee to swell). The "out for the season" was an overreaction because this is something different (injury).

That's quite an overreaction.

LOL, I know. It was Mickey reporting this on the Ticket.

Ah, the Mickeroo.

Yep, he was on DNM, Norm is coming up next.

 

[Jayrod]

Is now the time to trade Crayton is what I'm wondering.

Shtick?

Uh, no. If people are willing to plug in Glenn's numbers from last year, I think it's time to sell high.

Glenn was starting ahead of Crayton for a reason.

So because a veteran is starting over a younger player it means that the younger player can never be as good? Interesting logic there.

So because I make a comment about one situation you can assume that I apply that same logic to every single similar instance? Interesting logic there.

 

[BoltBacker]

Is now the time to trade Crayton is what I'm wondering.

Shtick?

Uh, no. If people are willing to plug in Glenn's numbers from last year, I think it's time to sell high.

Crayton's projections weren't as far from Glenn's as you might expect, and that was before the latest health concerns from Glenn. I thought Dodds was very conservative with Crayton's projections in the first place. He's quietly progressed significantly every season he's been in the league. Dodds actually had him taking a small step backwards this season despite the age of Glenn/TO which was a mistake imo.

 

[BigTex]

Recap from trickblue:

TG. Well... certainly not the way you want to start out the year. Your speed receiver is now out. It showed in the Houston game. As far as the report yesterday that he was out for the year, apparently there was an over-reaction to the MRI. When it was looked into further they saw it could be much shorter. This is something new. It had nothing to do with the cyst that was removed. He looked good and was cutting well on his return to practice.

 

[BoltBacker]

Crayton does not have that type of speed, and I feel he will be the 4th-5th option in the offense.

Glenn would have been no more than the fourth option in the offense himself(TO/JJ/MBIII) and very well could have fallen to fifth if there's any truth to the rumblings with regard to getting Witten more involved in the offense.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Is now the time to trade Crayton is what I'm wondering.

Shtick?

Uh, no. If people are willing to plug in Glenn's numbers from last year, I think it's time to sell high.

Crayton's projections weren't as far from Glenn's as you might expect, and that was before the latest health concerns from Glenn. I thought Dodds was very conservative with Crayton's projections in the first place. He's quietly progressed significantly every season he's been in the league. Dodds actually had him taking a small step backwards this season despite the age of Glenn/TO which was a mistake imo.

I think if Glenn misses a significant amount of time, Crayton will do fine in relief. I just don't think he'll do as well as Glenn. I think Romo will spread it around more and Hurd will see some action. I'd assume TO and Witten would benefit mightily from Glenn being gone, though.

 

[BoltBacker]

Is now the time to trade Crayton is what I'm wondering.

Shtick?

Uh, no. If people are willing to plug in Glenn's numbers from last year, I think it's time to sell high.

Crayton's projections weren't as far from Glenn's as you might expect, and that was before the latest health concerns from Glenn. I thought Dodds was very conservative with Crayton's projections in the first place. He's quietly progressed significantly every season he's been in the league. Dodds actually had him taking a small step backwards this season despite the age of Glenn/TO which was a mistake imo.

I think if Glenn misses a significant amount of time, Crayton will do fine in relief. I just don't think he'll do as well as Glenn. I think Romo will spread it around more and Hurd will see some action. I'd assume TO and Witten would benefit mightily from Glenn being gone, though.

I think the key lies in how much you expected from Glenn in the first place. He's a 33yo speed WR coming off knee surgery and hasn't been an NFL iron-man in the past even when he enters the season healthy. Like I said, I expected the uptick from TO/Witten even before hearing about Glenn's latest injury woes. I also felt Parcells pushed Glenn's buttons about as well as anyone has been able to and he's no longer there.On the other end of the spectrum I expect love for Hurd... he's got physical gifts and a very high ceiling but he just seem very raw to me whenever I see him play. Parcells was quoted he might start last year and you know what.... for the SEASON Hurd caught 5 balls for 75 yards and 0 TD's. Crayton had 4 individual games that out-scored Hurds entire season. Crayton had nearly 10x the production of Hurd last year and Crayton's stats only got better after Romo took over.ADD: I'm never sure how much to divulge about subscriber content but since it's about the projection of just one player.... Dodds has Glenn projected for 700/5. If he does miss the season(have no idea how effective he'll be this year but you can tell I'm pretty pessimistic with regard to his future at this point) I think Crayton would be able to get the 700/5 that Dodds projected. Something tells me that a lot of people had Glenn projected for a whole lot more than that though.

 

[Jayrod]

I'm offering a trade to the Glenn owner of Crayton for Brandon Marshall in a dynasty. I like Marshall's long term prospects better than Crayton's and think he might bite since he still has Glenn inserted in his lineup.

 

[Sopranos]

Crayton will do ok. He does not have the speed to take Glenns catches/Place. He will not be consistant at all. 1 game 120yrds 2 tds, the next 2 for 19yrds. It depends what the D gives him.

 

[Sopranos]

I'm offering a trade to the Glenn owner of Crayton for Brandon Marshall in a dynasty. I like Marshall's long term prospects better than Crayton's and think he might bite since he still has Glenn inserted in his lineup.

Why would he do that? Marshall is a starter and is a better dynasty WR and redraft.

 

[CrossEyed]

Is now the time to trade Crayton is what I'm wondering.

Shtick?

Uh, no. If people are willing to plug in Glenn's numbers from last year, I think it's time to sell high.

Glenn was starting ahead of Crayton for a reason.

So because a veteran is starting over a younger player it means that the younger player can never be as good? Interesting logic there.

Who said "never?"

My point is that just because Glenn started over Crayton last year doesn't mean that Crayton couldn't put up similar numbers this year. The guy has apparently progressed every season so far. No reason to think he won't be better this year than last.

 

[sholditch]

Is now the time to trade Crayton is what I'm wondering.

Shtick?

Uh, no. If people are willing to plug in Glenn's numbers from last year, I think it's time to sell high.

Glenn was starting ahead of Crayton for a reason.

So because a veteran is starting over a younger player it means that the younger player can never be as good? Interesting logic there.

So because I make a comment about one situation you can assume that I apply that same logic to every single similar instance? Interesting logic there.

My logic can beat up your logic.Would Crayton be a better option than Roddy White?

 

[Jayrod]

I'm offering a trade to the Glenn owner of Crayton for Brandon Marshall in a dynasty. I like Marshall's long term prospects better than Crayton's and think he might bite since he still has Glenn inserted in his lineup.

Why would he do that? Marshall is a starter and is a better dynasty WR and redraft.

Precisely why I'm offering it up. It isn't preposterous and Marshall is all potential/little proof at this point. I don't think he plans on starting Marshall at all this year, but Crayton is worth a start when he would have played Glenn.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Is now the time to trade Crayton is what I'm wondering.

Yes.I think the person who gets the biggest bump out of this is TO. Sure, he'll be in double-coverage, but that's never really bothered him. Truth is, they're just going to throw to him more without a solid #2.

 

[Sopranos]

I'm offering a trade to the Glenn owner of Crayton for Brandon Marshall in a dynasty. I like Marshall's long term prospects better than Crayton's and think he might bite since he still has Glenn inserted in his lineup.

Why would he do that? Marshall is a starter and is a better dynasty WR and redraft.

Precisely why I'm offering it up. It isn't preposterous and Marshall is all potential/little proof at this point. I don't think he plans on starting Marshall at all this year, but Crayton is worth a start when he would have played Glenn.

But he was starting Glenn because he is a better option than Marshall.. All 3 of us know Crayton isnt.

 

[Keys Myaths]

I'm offering a trade to the Glenn owner of Crayton for Brandon Marshall in a dynasty. I like Marshall's long term prospects better than Crayton's and think he might bite since he still has Glenn inserted in his lineup.

Why would he do that? Marshall is a starter and is a better dynasty WR and redraft.

Precisely why I'm offering it up. It isn't preposterous and Marshall is all potential/little proof at this point. I don't think he plans on starting Marshall at all this year, but Crayton is worth a start when he would have played Glenn.

This is off-topic, but does Marshall remind anyone a lot of Matt Jones>2006?

 

[Jayrod]

I'm offering a trade to the Glenn owner of Crayton for Brandon Marshall in a dynasty. I like Marshall's long term prospects better than Crayton's and think he might bite since he still has Glenn inserted in his lineup.

Why would he do that? Marshall is a starter and is a better dynasty WR and redraft.

Precisely why I'm offering it up. It isn't preposterous and Marshall is all potential/little proof at this point. I don't think he plans on starting Marshall at all this year, but Crayton is worth a start when he would have played Glenn.

But he was starting Glenn because he is a better option than Marshall.. All 3 of us know Crayton isnt.

I'd start Crayton over Marshall this week.

 

[BoltBacker]

I'm offering a trade to the Glenn owner of Crayton for Brandon Marshall in a dynasty. I like Marshall's long term prospects better than Crayton's and think he might bite since he still has Glenn inserted in his lineup.

Why would he do that? Marshall is a starter and is a better dynasty WR and redraft.

Precisely why I'm offering it up. It isn't preposterous and Marshall is all potential/little proof at this point. I don't think he plans on starting Marshall at all this year, but Crayton is worth a start when he would have played Glenn.

But he was starting Glenn because he is a better option than Marshall.. All 3 of us know Crayton isnt.

Out of the three I'd take Marshall in a heartbeat. Between Glenn/Crayton right now..... looks like a coin toss. Neither is quite starter quality.... UNLESS there was an inury to TO/Witten.

 

[BoltBacker]

I'm offering a trade to the Glenn owner of Crayton for Brandon Marshall in a dynasty. I like Marshall's long term prospects better than Crayton's and think he might bite since he still has Glenn inserted in his lineup.

Why would he do that? Marshall is a starter and is a better dynasty WR and redraft.

Precisely why I'm offering it up. It isn't preposterous and Marshall is all potential/little proof at this point. I don't think he plans on starting Marshall at all this year, but Crayton is worth a start when he would have played Glenn.

This is off-topic, but does Marshall remind anyone a lot of Matt Jones>2006?

Not really. He looks more polished to me than Matt Jones has ever looked and I don't think he avoids contact as much. He had a quad injury earlier this year but other than that I'm not aware of an injury history that in any way approaches Jones. Of course he also has the luxury of playing across from a true #1 WR so he may have an easier time of it.

 

[Jayrod]

I'm offering a trade to the Glenn owner of Crayton for Brandon Marshall in a dynasty. I like Marshall's long term prospects better than Crayton's and think he might bite since he still has Glenn inserted in his lineup.

Why would he do that? Marshall is a starter and is a better dynasty WR and redraft.

Precisely why I'm offering it up. It isn't preposterous and Marshall is all potential/little proof at this point. I don't think he plans on starting Marshall at all this year, but Crayton is worth a start when he would have played Glenn.

But he was starting Glenn because he is a better option than Marshall.. All 3 of us know Crayton isnt.

Out of the three I'd take Marshall in a heartbeat. Between Glenn/Crayton right now..... looks like a coin toss. Neither is quite starter quality.... UNLESS there was an inury to TO/Witten.

The guy I'm trying to trade with currently has Glenn submitted in his starting lineup. He's not a total idiot (he did draft Marshall), but he isn't over-informed like us shark-pool inhabitants. I'd say I have a 50-50 chance of him taking me up on this trade.

 

[BoltBacker]

The guy I'm trying to trade with currently has Glenn submitted in his starting lineup. He's not a total idiot (he did draft Marshall), but he isn't over-informed like us shark-pool inhabitants. I'd say I have a 50-50 chance of him taking me up on this trade.

No, if he has Glenn in his lineup right now and drafted/auctioned Glenn after all the news about him this summer missing WEEKS of practices coming off the knee injury without a better backup WR than Marshall.... he's a total idiot. All you have to do is click "View my news articles" and he'd have an entire page of "Glenn may be back..." "Glenn pushed back...." "Glenn out for....". It's not hard to find that type of info out... it's been dragging on all summer long and until I hear Glenn is back at 100% I'm going to assume he's not. Wouldn't most people? It would be interesting to see what the board projected for Glenn this year. Where's that player spotlight?

 

[Brides Maids]

I was hoping to get some info from some Cowboys fans on the Crayton/Glenn situation. It sounds to me as if Glenn will most likely be out for the year, but he hesitated to make the call last night. His career could very well be over. That being said, is Crayton riding the hype machine or is this guy capable of replicating Glenn's numbers 1000 and 7 this year. The Cowboys have alot of offensive talent but Crayton should get his opprotunties early as now teams will focus even more on Owens and Witten. Is this guy worth a roster spot over a guy like Kevin Curtis. Is Sam Hurd going to platoon? What's the word?

It's definitely worth picking Crayton up if you can but the person I think this will really affect is TO.I think TO will benefit with increased TD production perhaps Witten as well.

 

[DoubleG]

Is now the time to trade Crayton is what I'm wondering.

Yes.I think the person who gets the biggest bump out of this is TO. Sure, he'll be in double-coverage, but that's never really bothered him. Truth is, they're just going to throw to him more without a solid #2.

This is why I am the contrarian here.Defenses will naturally key on T.O. more with Glenn out. I think that opens up Crayton to put up solid numbers this season. A few points:

1) Glenn caught 70 passes last year - I won't even get crazy and say Crayton catches that many. In fact if we simply add his 2005 & 2006 #'s he'd have 58 receptions for about 850 yards and 6 TDs. Incidentally Glenn had a 15.0 ypc average - Crayton's is 14.8 - very similar.

2) The above number (58 for 850 and 6 TDs) would have put him around Braylon Edwards' total last year (in non-PPR leagues somewhere around WR25). If you drafted Crayton to be a WR4 - congrats, he's now a solid WR3 week in and week out (or until Glenn comes back).

3) IMHO, these numbers are fairly conservative. If you actually bump his receptions up to 70, given his avg. YPC, he'd end up with 1,050 receiving yards and porbably another tuddy. That would have put him the top 20 last year (right near Galloway).

Am I saying these are a lock? No. I am saying that Crayton owners may want to consider keeping him for his upside rather than trading him because of it. While Crayton isn't in that magical third year, he is in his forth.

 

[abhall]

Overall, this is a blow to the Cowboys offense if Glenn is out for the year. I'm a homer and I'm concerned. Crayton was a quality slot WR, but I don't know how well he'll perform playing a #2CB every week. One thing's for sure, he is not explosive as Glenn so the Cowboys will have a significantly less vertical offense now.

 

[Ridgelake]

So many parts to this answer.

1) Crayton has been identified as the person who will start in place of Glenn, with Hurd moving to the 3rd receiver spot.

2) Glenn is the deep-threat for Dallas. Crayton is very much a posession receiver. Glenn drew double teams because he could beat people deep. Crayton won't likely draw double coverage and won't likely beat people deep. Crayton does have the best hands on the team. He's been a clutch player, getting lots of 3rd down and 4th down grabs. He makes big plays and has a knack for getting open.

3) Dallas' passing offense is designed to move people around and be versatile. This means that TO and Witten are going to do things differently with Crayton in the lineup than if Glenn were in the lineup. With Glenn out, you'll see Witten running more deep patterns to draw safeties. TO will probably run more go routes as well.

4) Crayton will probably catch 4-5 balls/game on average. I would not expect as high of a YPC that Glenn had. Probably more in the 12-14 YPC range. He will get his share of TDs.

5) Expect Hurd to post similar numbers to what Crayton did last year.

 

[ctt8410]

Crayton is just a guy. He'll be serviceable with guys like TO and Witten there to draw defenders, but he isn't the scary deep threat Glenn is. I honestly think Sam Hurd is the better play here and that he'll probably see some split time at the flanker.The Cowboys aren't giving a big lean either way on Hurd getting PT but I think he has break-out ability that Crayton doesn't have.

Surprised me that Hurd hasn't been mentioned more for the Cowboys. He seems to be faster and have more natural receiving talent than Crayton. I think he will end up with more playing time there. I remember Parcells was high on him last year.

This is the opinion that I don't understand. Hurd ran a 4.61 at the combine and is probably the slowest receiver the Cowboys have.Crayton doesn't have the speed that Glenn has, but his YPR is pretty good and, even though it's a small sample size, he caught 36 of 48 (75%) passes thrown his way last year. That's unreal for a wide receiver. For the record, Kellen Winslow led all tight ends in this category (74.8%) and Moulds led WRs (73.1%), but both averaged less than 10 YPR compared to Crayton's 14.3 YPC.

 

[JHuber77]

Crayton scored a TD in every game he has ever started for the Cowboys. I think its pretty safe to say he can put up Glenn type numbers.