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Crazy Video of Bikers vs SUV (1 Viewer)

That's some scary stuff right there. It's mentioned in a couple of articles that this is some kind of annual bikers event in NYC? If so, are traffic lights moderated by police or are these groups just ignoring all kinds of traffic laws like red lights and stuff in their mob mentality. I'm talking about the other youtube vids posted by that same guy.
The West Side Highway/Henry Hudson up in that part of the city doesn't have any traffic lights, from what I know. Lights are pretty frequent around 57th st and south.
I have no idea where they are at the time, but here's one example from another video where they run multiple red lights.

 
Read in the NY Daily News comment section (and there was a link to another youtube video supposedly showing this...didn't have time to look it up) that it started when the Range Rover merged onto the highway with the bikes, lots of bikes in the right lane that didn't want to move over and weren't happy that the SUV merged with them. And supposedly the reason that he got off the highway is that the bikers had cut his tires?? I do remember several bikes getting close to the SUV so I guess that is possible? Didn't see that anywhere else so take it for what it is worth.
Think it's this one at about the 2:30 mark.
If they cut his tires it would have had to have been at the initial altercation just prior to him running over the bike. I don't see that having occured as he was driving for another couple of minutes (where the car was seen) and didn't appear to be slowing down. Also, at the end, l don't see anything which would suggest a tire was flattened as the two tires toward the camera are fine and the car appears level. There's no way a biker can puncture a car's tires while drive 40+ MPH.

 
This is why you need a conceal & carry permit and guns!
Yes start a gun fight with your family in the car while you are massively outnumbered. Better off sticking to SUV as weapon until the police catch up. 911 is your best friend here.
Typical B.S. response, wait for the police to arrive. How did that turn out for him after they slashed his tires?

The crew then beat the man in front of his wife and child, police sources said.

The victim was rushed to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital with two black eyes, and also needed stitches on his face and chest.
You do realize he wouldn't necessarily need to fire his weapon to defend himself, his wife or his child.
Typical Wyatt Earp wannabe ####### response.
I'm sure if you were driving the Range Rover you'd gladly take a beating and risk death instead of risking someone calling you a "Wyatt Earp wannabe" for wanting to protect your wife and child with a licensed weapon.

 
Read in the NY Daily News comment section (and there was a link to another youtube video supposedly showing this...didn't have time to look it up) that it started when the Range Rover merged onto the highway with the bikes, lots of bikes in the right lane that didn't want to move over and weren't happy that the SUV merged with them. And supposedly the reason that he got off the highway is that the bikers had cut his tires?? I do remember several bikes getting close to the SUV so I guess that is possible? Didn't see that anywhere else so take it for what it is worth.
Think it's this one at about the 2:30 mark.
If they cut his tires it would have had to have been at the initial altercation just prior to him running over the bike. I don't see that having occured as he was driving for another couple of minutes (where the car was seen) and didn't appear to be slowing down. Also, at the end, l don't see anything which would suggest a tire was flattened as the two tires toward the camera are fine and the car appears level. There's no way a biker can puncture a car's tires while drive 40+ MPH.
Says his tires went flat here

After his tires finally went flat on a side street, the group blocked him in again. One biker was seen yanking off his helmet and using it to smash in the SUV window.
 
As I was watching, all I kept thinking was get on the bridge and get to cop patrol. It was another 1,000 feet at most. Instead he gets off a Washington heights. Feel bad for the guy. I probably would have been hitting them spy hunter style myself

 
This is why you need a conceal & carry permit and guns!
Yes start a gun fight with your family in the car while you are massively outnumbered. Better off sticking to SUV as weapon until the police catch up. 911 is your best friend here.
Typical B.S. response, wait for the police to arrive. How did that turn out for him after they slashed his tires?

The crew then beat the man in front of his wife and child, police sources said.

The victim was rushed to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital with two black eyes, and also needed stitches on his face and chest.
You do realize he wouldn't necessarily need to fire his weapon to defend himself, his wife or his child.
He could just smack them over the head with the butt? His gun turns into a phone and he can call the police? Are you suggesting that he will intimidate the biker gang by waving his gun around and they all go home? Wacky gun nut logic.
Yes I am, are you assuming that every incident involving a gun requires someone to die?

 
This is why you need a conceal & carry permit and guns!
Yes start a gun fight with your family in the car while you are massively outnumbered. Better off sticking to SUV as weapon until the police catch up. 911 is your best friend here.
Typical B.S. response, wait for the police to arrive. How did that turn out for him after they slashed his tires?

The crew then beat the man in front of his wife and child, police sources said.

The victim was rushed to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital with two black eyes, and also needed stitches on his face and chest.
You do realize he wouldn't necessarily need to fire his weapon to defend himself, his wife or his child.
Typical Wyatt Earp wannabe ####### response.
I'm sure if you were driving the Range Rover you'd gladly take a beating and risk death instead of risking someone calling you a "Wyatt Earp wannabe" for wanting to protect your wife and child with a licensed weapon.
Why are you people always fantasizing about killing "bad guys" to protect your family?

 
This is why you need a conceal & carry permit and guns!
Yes start a gun fight with your family in the car while you are massively outnumbered. Better off sticking to SUV as weapon until the police catch up. 911 is your best friend here.
Typical B.S. response, wait for the police to arrive. How did that turn out for him after they slashed his tires?

The crew then beat the man in front of his wife and child, police sources said.

The victim was rushed to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital with two black eyes, and also needed stitches on his face and chest.
You do realize he wouldn't necessarily need to fire his weapon to defend himself, his wife or his child.
Typical Wyatt Earp wannabe ####### response.
I'm sure if you were driving the Range Rover you'd gladly take a beating and risk death instead of risking someone calling you a "Wyatt Earp wannabe" for wanting to protect your wife and child with a licensed weapon.
Why are you people always fantasizing about killing "bad guys" to protect your family?
What is it about this story that you consider a fantasy? It is illegal in most cases to conceal carry in NYC. NYC allows concealed carry but their approval guidelines on who gets to carry is very narrow in which only the very rich and famous or political are approved. That is the point SeaDogStat made that you interjected with your "fantasy speculation".

What is it about the anti-gun crowd to always make wild west references whenever someone suggests the injuries this guy endured could have been avoided if he was allowed to protect himself, his wife and his child instead of waiting for a lackluster police response to protect them?

 
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There is about five minutes of footage between the time he runs over the motorcycles and gets his window bashed in. Did they not try to call the cops? I would not have exited the freeway for fear of being stopped in traffic until the cops showed up - I don't understand why he did that.

 
What's the best course of action here? Slow down to about 30 mph and call the cops? There's nothing the bikers can do if you keep moving. No reason to drive fast because you'd never outrun them.

 
This is why you need a conceal & carry permit and guns!
Yes start a gun fight with your family in the car while you are massively outnumbered. Better off sticking to SUV as weapon until the police catch up. 911 is your best friend here.
Typical B.S. response, wait for the police to arrive. How did that turn out for him after they slashed his tires?

The crew then beat the man in front of his wife and child, police sources said.

The victim was rushed to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital with two black eyes, and also needed stitches on his face and chest.
You do realize he wouldn't necessarily need to fire his weapon to defend himself, his wife or his child.
Typical Wyatt Earp wannabe ####### response.
I'm sure if you were driving the Range Rover you'd gladly take a beating and risk death instead of risking someone calling you a "Wyatt Earp wannabe" for wanting to protect your wife and child with a licensed weapon.
Why are you people always fantasizing about killing "bad guys" to protect your family?
What is it about this story that you consider a fantasy? It is illegal in most cases to conceal carry in NYC. NYC allows concealed carry but their approval guidelines on who gets to carry is very narrow in which only the very rich and famous or political are approved. That is what is the point SeaDogStat made.

What is it about the anti-gun crowd to always make wild west references whenever someone suggests the injuries this guy endured could have been avoided if he was allowed to protect himself, his wife and his child instead of waiting for a lackluster police response to protect them?
I'm generally pro-gun. But this would have been a terrible time to start shooting. It only takes one or two of those idiots carrying a gun as well to see the SUV driver start shooting and respond by shooting aimlessly into his SUV. How would starting a fire fight with 50+ bikers protect himself and his family?

 
There is about five minutes of footage between the time he runs over the motorcycles and gets his window bashed in. Did they not try to call the cops? I would not have exited the freeway for fear of being stopped in traffic until the cops showed up - I don't understand why he did that.
I read they were on the phone with 911. Pure speculation here, but they may have been giving them directions to the nearest police station? Pretty bad advice if they did that but I can't think of any other logical reason to get off the highway.

 
This is why you need a conceal & carry permit and guns!
Yes start a gun fight with your family in the car while you are massively outnumbered. Better off sticking to SUV as weapon until the police catch up. 911 is your best friend here.
Typical B.S. response, wait for the police to arrive. How did that turn out for him after they slashed his tires?

The crew then beat the man in front of his wife and child, police sources said.

The victim was rushed to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital with two black eyes, and also needed stitches on his face and chest.
You do realize he wouldn't necessarily need to fire his weapon to defend himself, his wife or his child.
Typical Wyatt Earp wannabe ####### response.
I'm sure if you were driving the Range Rover you'd gladly take a beating and risk death instead of risking someone calling you a "Wyatt Earp wannabe" for wanting to protect your wife and child with a licensed weapon.
Why are you people always fantasizing about killing "bad guys" to protect your family?
What is it about this story that you consider a fantasy? It is illegal in most cases to conceal carry in NYC. NYC allows concealed carry but their approval guidelines on who gets to carry is very narrow in which only the very rich and famous or political are approved. That is the point SeaDogStat made that you interjected with your "fantasy speculation".

What is it about the anti-gun crowd to always make wild west references whenever someone suggests the injuries this guy endured could have been avoided if he was allowed to protect himself, his wife and his child instead of waiting for a lackluster police response to protect them?
The fact that its only happened once in the history of history. Your odds of getting struck by lightning after winning the lottery are better.

PS - no one is breaking in your house in the middle of the night with intentions of killing you and your family either, Rambo.

 
There is about five minutes of footage between the time he runs over the motorcycles and gets his window bashed in. Did they not try to call the cops? I would not have exited the freeway for fear of being stopped in traffic until the cops showed up - I don't understand why he did that.
I read they were on the phone with 911. Pure speculation here, but they may have been giving them directions to the nearest police station? Pretty bad advice if they did that but I can't think of any other logical reason to get off the highway.
This is what I thought as well. According to a comment in one of the articles, he was pretty close to a police station, so I wonder if that's what his plan was.

 
What's the best course of action here? Slow down to about 30 mph and call the cops? There's nothing the bikers can do if you keep moving. No reason to drive fast because you'd never outrun them.
Get directions to the nearest police station and drive there.

 
This is why you need a conceal & carry permit and guns!
Yes start a gun fight with your family in the car while you are massively outnumbered. Better off sticking to SUV as weapon until the police catch up. 911 is your best friend here.
Typical B.S. response, wait for the police to arrive. How did that turn out for him after they slashed his tires?

The crew then beat the man in front of his wife and child, police sources said.

The victim was rushed to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital with two black eyes, and also needed stitches on his face and chest.
You do realize he wouldn't necessarily need to fire his weapon to defend himself, his wife or his child.
Typical Wyatt Earp wannabe ####### response.
I'm sure if you were driving the Range Rover you'd gladly take a beating and risk death instead of risking someone calling you a "Wyatt Earp wannabe" for wanting to protect your wife and child with a licensed weapon.
Why are you people always fantasizing about killing "bad guys" to protect your family?
What is it about this story that you consider a fantasy? It is illegal in most cases to conceal carry in NYC. NYC allows concealed carry but their approval guidelines on who gets to carry is very narrow in which only the very rich and famous or political are approved. That is what is the point SeaDogStat made.

What is it about the anti-gun crowd to always make wild west references whenever someone suggests the injuries this guy endured could have been avoided if he was allowed to protect himself, his wife and his child instead of waiting for a lackluster police response to protect them?
I'm generally pro-gun. But this would have been a terrible time to start shooting. It only takes one or two of those idiots carrying a gun as well to see the SUV driver start shooting and respond by shooting aimlessly into his SUV. How would starting a fire fight with 50+ bikers protect himself and his family?
This was exactly my thoughts. If I'm by myself, I'm much more likely to start shooting, but no way I'm starting a gun fight with my wife and kid in the car. Much better to just take the ### kicking and go to the hospital. Of course, that's in hindsight, no way of knowing at the time what those goons were capable of when they started smashing the windows out. So easy to play monday morning quarterback when you know the end result.

 
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This is why you need a conceal & carry permit and guns!
Yes start a gun fight with your family in the car while you are massively outnumbered. Better off sticking to SUV as weapon until the police catch up. 911 is your best friend here.
Typical B.S. response, wait for the police to arrive. How did that turn out for him after they slashed his tires?

The crew then beat the man in front of his wife and child, police sources said.

The victim was rushed to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital with two black eyes, and also needed stitches on his face and chest.
You do realize he wouldn't necessarily need to fire his weapon to defend himself, his wife or his child.
Typical Wyatt Earp wannabe ####### response.
I'm sure if you were driving the Range Rover you'd gladly take a beating and risk death instead of risking someone calling you a "Wyatt Earp wannabe" for wanting to protect your wife and child with a licensed weapon.
Why are you people always fantasizing about killing "bad guys" to protect your family?
What is it about this story that you consider a fantasy? It is illegal in most cases to conceal carry in NYC. NYC allows concealed carry but their approval guidelines on who gets to carry is very narrow in which only the very rich and famous or political are approved. That is what is the point SeaDogStat made.

What is it about the anti-gun crowd to always make wild west references whenever someone suggests the injuries this guy endured could have been avoided if he was allowed to protect himself, his wife and his child instead of waiting for a lackluster police response to protect them?
I'm generally pro-gun. But this would have been a terrible time to start shooting. It only takes one or two of those idiots carrying a gun as well to see the SUV driver start shooting and respond by shooting aimlessly into his SUV. How would starting a fire fight with 50+ bikers protect himself and his family?
If you are pro-gun then I have hard time understanding how you equate carrying a licensed concealed weapon for protection and "start shooting" as the same thing. There's a big misconception that people with CCW permits are Wyatt Earp's and if more than 1 person with a CCW are in the same area then a shootout is inevitable. Has it happened? Sure. But it is rare as hell.

 
This is why you need a conceal & carry permit and guns!
Yes start a gun fight with your family in the car while you are massively outnumbered. Better off sticking to SUV as weapon until the police catch up. 911 is your best friend here.
Typical B.S. response, wait for the police to arrive. How did that turn out for him after they slashed his tires?

The crew then beat the man in front of his wife and child, police sources said.

The victim was rushed to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital with two black eyes, and also needed stitches on his face and chest.
You do realize he wouldn't necessarily need to fire his weapon to defend himself, his wife or his child.
Typical Wyatt Earp wannabe ####### response.
I'm sure if you were driving the Range Rover you'd gladly take a beating and risk death instead of risking someone calling you a "Wyatt Earp wannabe" for wanting to protect your wife and child with a licensed weapon.
Why are you people always fantasizing about killing "bad guys" to protect your family?
What is it about this story that you consider a fantasy? It is illegal in most cases to conceal carry in NYC. NYC allows concealed carry but their approval guidelines on who gets to carry is very narrow in which only the very rich and famous or political are approved. That is the point SeaDogStat made that you interjected with your "fantasy speculation".

What is it about the anti-gun crowd to always make wild west references whenever someone suggests the injuries this guy endured could have been avoided if he was allowed to protect himself, his wife and his child instead of waiting for a lackluster police response to protect them?
The fact that its only happened once in the history of history. Your odds of getting struck by lightning after winning the lottery are better.

PS - no one is breaking in your house in the middle of the night with intentions of killing you and your family either, Rambo.
It's only happened once? You are living in fantasy land.

 
So from what I've gathered so far from this thread:

OK to run people over with an SUV. Not OK to wave a gun at them.

Is that about right so far?

 
This is why you need a conceal & carry permit and guns!
Yes start a gun fight with your family in the car while you are massively outnumbered. Better off sticking to SUV as weapon until the police catch up. 911 is your best friend here.
Typical B.S. response, wait for the police to arrive. How did that turn out for him after they slashed his tires?

The crew then beat the man in front of his wife and child, police sources said.

The victim was rushed to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital with two black eyes, and also needed stitches on his face and chest.
You do realize he wouldn't necessarily need to fire his weapon to defend himself, his wife or his child.
Typical Wyatt Earp wannabe ####### response.
I'm sure if you were driving the Range Rover you'd gladly take a beating and risk death instead of risking someone calling you a "Wyatt Earp wannabe" for wanting to protect your wife and child with a licensed weapon.
Why are you people always fantasizing about killing "bad guys" to protect your family?
What is it about this story that you consider a fantasy? It is illegal in most cases to conceal carry in NYC. NYC allows concealed carry but their approval guidelines on who gets to carry is very narrow in which only the very rich and famous or political are approved. That is what is the point SeaDogStat made.

What is it about the anti-gun crowd to always make wild west references whenever someone suggests the injuries this guy endured could have been avoided if he was allowed to protect himself, his wife and his child instead of waiting for a lackluster police response to protect them?
I'm generally pro-gun. But this would have been a terrible time to start shooting. It only takes one or two of those idiots carrying a gun as well to see the SUV driver start shooting and respond by shooting aimlessly into his SUV. How would starting a fire fight with 50+ bikers protect himself and his family?
If you are pro-gun then I have hard time understanding how you equate carrying a licensed concealed weapon for protection and "start shooting" as the same thing. There's a big misconception that people with CCW permits are Wyatt Earp's and if more than 1 person with a CCW are in the same area then a shootout is inevitable. Has it happened? Sure. But it is rare as hell.
Ok, so you pull your weapon out and hope that intimidates them into backing off? I'm always been under the assumption that if someone pulls a gun out their intentions are to fire.

 
If you are pro-gun then I have hard time understanding how you equate carrying a licensed concealed weapon for protection and "start shooting" as the same thing. There's a big misconception that people with CCW permits are Wyatt Earp's and if more than 1 person with a CCW are in the same area then a shootout is inevitable. Has it happened? Sure. But it is rare as hell.
Ok, so you pull your weapon out and hope that intimidates them into backing off? I'm always been under the assumption that if someone pulls a gun out their intentions are to fire.
What are their intentions when they take their helmet off, smash your window and then attempt to open your door? They are probably just welcoming him to the neighborhood. What is so hard to imagine that someone could brandish their weapon, yell at them that they called 911 and police are en route and the angry wannabe biker might have the sense to back the #### off?

 
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What's the best course of action here? Slow down to about 30 mph and call the cops? There's nothing the bikers can do if you keep moving. No reason to drive fast because you'd never outrun them.
Get directions to the nearest police station and drive there.
Sounds like that's probably what he did. And trying to get through all the lights was the reason he was forced to stop.

 
If you are pro-gun then I have hard time understanding how you equate carrying a licensed concealed weapon for protection and "start shooting" as the same thing. There's a big misconception that people with CCW permits are Wyatt Earp's and if more than 1 person with a CCW are in the same area then a shootout is inevitable. Has it happened? Sure. But it is rare as hell.
Ok, so you pull your weapon out and hope that intimidates them into backing off? I'm always been under the assumption that if someone pulls a gun out their intentions are to fire.
What are their intentions when they take their helmet off, smash your window and then attempt to open your door? They are probably just welcoming him to the neighborhood. What is so hard to imagine that someone could brandish their weapon, yell at them that they called 911 and police are en route and the angry wannabe biker might have the sense to back the #### off?
What are the odds that 5% of those bikers are playing by the same rules and blow away the guy and his family?

 
Read in the NY Daily News comment section (and there was a link to another youtube video supposedly showing this...didn't have time to look it up) that it started when the Range Rover merged onto the highway with the bikes, lots of bikes in the right lane that didn't want to move over and weren't happy that the SUV merged with them. And supposedly the reason that he got off the highway is that the bikers had cut his tires?? I do remember several bikes getting close to the SUV so I guess that is possible? Didn't see that anywhere else so take it for what it is worth.
Think it's this one at about the 2:30 mark.
If they cut his tires it would have had to have been at the initial altercation just prior to him running over the bike. I don't see that having occured as he was driving for another couple of minutes (where the car was seen) and didn't appear to be slowing down. Also, at the end, l don't see anything which would suggest a tire was flattened as the two tires toward the camera are fine and the car appears level. There's no way a biker can puncture a car's tires while drive 40+ MPH.
Says his tires went flat here

After his tires finally went flat on a side street, the group blocked him in again. One biker was seen yanking off his helmet and using it to smash in the SUV window.
Likely punctured the tires when he ran over the bike(s)

 
There are 100s of motorcycles. Good chance at least one of them is carrying a gun also so I honestly don't think that would help the situation. I would not like those odds with a young child in my car.

 
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What's the best course of action here? Slow down to about 30 mph and call the cops? There's nothing the bikers can do if you keep moving. No reason to drive fast because you'd never outrun them.
Get directions to the nearest police station and drive there.
Sounds like that's probably what he did. And trying to get through all the lights was the reason he was forced to stop.
That would be really irresponsible for the dispatcher to tell them to do that unless the station is on the first corner off the freeway.

 
If you are pro-gun then I have hard time understanding how you equate carrying a licensed concealed weapon for protection and "start shooting" as the same thing. There's a big misconception that people with CCW permits are Wyatt Earp's and if more than 1 person with a CCW are in the same area then a shootout is inevitable. Has it happened? Sure. But it is rare as hell.
Ok, so you pull your weapon out and hope that intimidates them into backing off? I'm always been under the assumption that if someone pulls a gun out their intentions are to fire.
What are their intentions when they take their helmet off, smash your window and then attempt to open your door? They are probably just welcoming him to the neighborhood. What is so hard to imagine that someone could brandish their weapon, yell at them that they called 911 and police are en route and the angry wannabe biker might have the sense to back the #### off?
Not sure, but if I'm in a situation where I'm grossly outnumbered, with individuals that have already shown the propensity for violence, the last thing I want is for the situation to escalate even further. I'm not sure pulling out a gun and pointing would solve anything here. Only takes one idiot in the crowd trying to show off for his biker buddies to see me start yelling while waving a gun to start firing back.

And what if they don't back off after you've yelled and waved your weapon around?

 
scary stuff. think i'd obviously call 911 like he did, stay on the highway and drive slowly swerving back and forth on the rims if i had to.

 
If you are pro-gun then I have hard time understanding how you equate carrying a licensed concealed weapon for protection and "start shooting" as the same thing. There's a big misconception that people with CCW permits are Wyatt Earp's and if more than 1 person with a CCW are in the same area then a shootout is inevitable. Has it happened? Sure. But it is rare as hell.
Ok, so you pull your weapon out and hope that intimidates them into backing off? I'm always been under the assumption that if someone pulls a gun out their intentions are to fire.
What are their intentions when they take their helmet off, smash your window and then attempt to open your door? They are probably just welcoming him to the neighborhood. What is so hard to imagine that someone could brandish their weapon, yell at them that they called 911 and police are en route and the angry wannabe biker might have the sense to back the #### off?
If you are pro-gun then I have hard time understanding how you equate carrying a licensed concealed weapon for protection and "start shooting" as the same thing. There's a big misconception that people with CCW permits are Wyatt Earp's and if more than 1 person with a CCW are in the same area then a shootout is inevitable. Has it happened? Sure. But it is rare as hell.
Ok, so you pull your weapon out and hope that intimidates them into backing off? I'm always been under the assumption that if someone pulls a gun out their intentions are to fire.
What are their intentions when they take their helmet off, smash your window and then attempt to open your door? They are probably just welcoming him to the neighborhood. What is so hard to imagine that someone could brandish their weapon, yell at them that they called 911 and police are en route and the angry wannabe biker might have the sense to back the #### off?
People like you are the reason gun laws exist (and should be much stricter).

 
If you are pro-gun then I have hard time understanding how you equate carrying a licensed concealed weapon for protection and "start shooting" as the same thing. There's a big misconception that people with CCW permits are Wyatt Earp's and if more than 1 person with a CCW are in the same area then a shootout is inevitable. Has it happened? Sure. But it is rare as hell.
Ok, so you pull your weapon out and hope that intimidates them into backing off? I'm always been under the assumption that if someone pulls a gun out their intentions are to fire.
What are their intentions when they take their helmet off, smash your window and then attempt to open your door? They are probably just welcoming him to the neighborhood. What is so hard to imagine that someone could brandish their weapon, yell at them that they called 911 and police are en route and the angry wannabe biker might have the sense to back the #### off?
Not sure, but if I'm in a situation where I'm grossly outnumbered, with individuals that have already shown the propensity for violence, the last thing I want is for the situation to escalate even further. I'm not sure pulling out a gun and pointing would solve anything here. Only takes one idiot in the crowd trying to show off for his biker buddies to see me start yelling while waving a gun to start firing back.

And what if they don't back off after you've yelled and waved your weapon around?
Then I use my 3 ton killing machine and start running people over if I feel my or my families well being is threatened.

 
If you are pro-gun then I have hard time understanding how you equate carrying a licensed concealed weapon for protection and "start shooting" as the same thing. There's a big misconception that people with CCW permits are Wyatt Earp's and if more than 1 person with a CCW are in the same area then a shootout is inevitable. Has it happened? Sure. But it is rare as hell.
Ok, so you pull your weapon out and hope that intimidates them into backing off? I'm always been under the assumption that if someone pulls a gun out their intentions are to fire.
What are their intentions when they take their helmet off, smash your window and then attempt to open your door? They are probably just welcoming him to the neighborhood. What is so hard to imagine that someone could brandish their weapon, yell at them that they called 911 and police are en route and the angry wannabe biker might have the sense to back the #### off?
What are the odds that 5% of those bikers are playing by the same rules and blow away the guy and his family?
You want to start arguing hypotheticals now because you are scared that someone might murder you if you attempt to protect your wife and child in the middle of a busy intersection with plenty of witnesses in broad day light? Why can't you put yourself in the shoes of the guy driving the Range Rover and realize he would rather have legal access to a gun for protection instead of possibly getting beaten to death by some wannabe thug bikers?

 
If you are pro-gun then I have hard time understanding how you equate carrying a licensed concealed weapon for protection and "start shooting" as the same thing. There's a big misconception that people with CCW permits are Wyatt Earp's and if more than 1 person with a CCW are in the same area then a shootout is inevitable. Has it happened? Sure. But it is rare as hell.
Ok, so you pull your weapon out and hope that intimidates them into backing off? I'm always been under the assumption that if someone pulls a gun out their intentions are to fire.
What are their intentions when they take their helmet off, smash your window and then attempt to open your door? They are probably just welcoming him to the neighborhood. What is so hard to imagine that someone could brandish their weapon, yell at them that they called 911 and police are en route and the angry wannabe biker might have the sense to back the #### off?
What are the odds that 5% of those bikers are playing by the same rules and blow away the guy and his family?
You want to start arguing hypotheticals now because you are scared that someone might murder you if you attempt to protect your wife and child in the middle of a busy intersection with plenty of witnesses in broad day light? Why can't you put yourself in the shoes of the guy driving the Range Rover and realize he would rather have legal access to a gun for protection instead of possibly getting beaten to death by some wannabe thug bikers?
Because I don't like to share mindsets with know nothings.

 
This is why you need a conceal & carry permit and guns!
Yes start a gun fight with your family in the car while you are massively outnumbered. Better off sticking to SUV as weapon until the police catch up. 911 is your best friend here.
Typical B.S. response, wait for the police to arrive. How did that turn out for him after they slashed his tires?

The crew then beat the man in front of his wife and child, police sources said.

The victim was rushed to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital with two black eyes, and also needed stitches on his face and chest.
You do realize he wouldn't necessarily need to fire his weapon to defend himself, his wife or his child.
Typical Wyatt Earp wannabe ####### response.
I'm sure if you were driving the Range Rover you'd gladly take a beating and risk death instead of risking someone calling you a "Wyatt Earp wannabe" for wanting to protect your wife and child with a licensed weapon.
Why are you people always fantasizing about killing "bad guys" to protect your family?
Is this addressed only to the Gun guy or also the ones who would run over the bikers with the SUV?

What is your solution to the problem?

 
Ok, so you pull your weapon out and hope that intimidates them into backing off? I'm always been under the assumption that if someone pulls a gun out their intentions are to fire.
What are their intentions when they take their helmet off, smash your window and then attempt to open your door? They are probably just welcoming him to the neighborhood. What is so hard to imagine that someone could brandish their weapon, yell at them that they called 911 and police are en route and the angry wannabe biker might have the sense to back the #### off?
People like you are the reason gun laws exist (and should be much stricter).
:lmao:

Yes gun laws exist to protect people like you that support thug bikers from terrorizing and brutally assaulting families driving their Range Rover on the Westside Highway in NYC from people like me that believe in their Second Amendment rights to defend themselves, property, and family.

 
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So am I reading this right?

Killing thugs with your SUV to protect your family = Smart move Guy.

Killing thugs with your gun to protect your family = Whoa, slow down there Butch Cassidy, this isn't the 1890s!

 
So am I reading this right?

Killing thugs with your SUV to protect your family = Smart move Guy.

Killing thugs with your gun to protect your family = Whoa, slow down there Butch Cassidy, this isn't the 1890s!
I was just about to say the same thing.

 
So the message is, as always, guns would have been the optimal solution to a situation like this?

What sort of gun would you need here? An UZI? Or a shoulder mounted RPG?

 
So am I reading this right?

Killing thugs with your SUV to protect your family = Smart move Guy.

Killing thugs with your gun to protect your family = Whoa, slow down there Butch Cassidy, this isn't the 1890s!
Apparently.

No risk of having 5% of the bikers pulling an SUV out their back pocket to reciprocate.

 
So from what I've gathered so far from this thread:

OK to run people over with an SUV. Not OK to wave a gun at them.

Is that about right so far?
Addendum: In lieu of a gun, it's better to wave your small penis at them in a bid for pity.

 
Best course of action would have been to try and talk with the bikers and reason with them.

What if the bikers would have pulled them over and beaten all three occupants?

 
So am I reading this right?

Killing thugs with your SUV to protect your family = Smart move Guy.

Killing thugs with your gun to protect your family = Whoa, slow down there Butch Cassidy, this isn't the 1890s!
No one was killed.
It was based on a hypothetical. No one likely would've been killed if the SUV driver threatened the guy smashing his window with a gun either and he wouldn't have likely gone to the hospital. People are making pretty huge leaps assuming a group of bikers who don't beat the guy to death when they finally catch him will suddenly decide to start shooting randomly into the SUV if the guy is holding a gun telling them to back off.

 

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