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***Official Scam Thread*** (1 Viewer)

Hastur

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There are multiple individual threads about various scams, but I thought it necessary(in light of the proliferation of scams) to have a master Scam thread detailing any new scams that pop up online.

This is for online/innerweb/social media scams only.

Let's start with this as the basic current knowledge:

Common to all scams:​

Things to check on a person's profile:​

  • It's typically either locked or they are in Bangladesh/India/Nigeria/Pakistan (Note: Australia and New Zeland now allow users to lock profiles. Do what you want with this updated information)
  • The profile picture is often stolen or a stock photo (You can tell it's a stock photo if it has a watermark or if you reverse image search it)
  • The name starts with MD or Md (doesn't mean they are a doctor, but I've seen it on 100's scammer accounts. It is a short form of Muhammad which makes sense given the actual location of most of these scammers)
  • The user name is vastly different from the name (EG: Name is John Smith but the user name is Amar Amandeep, yes I've seen this)
  • The gender and photo don't match (Yes, I know that can be a thing but it's helpful to help identify the scammers along with the other things I've mentioned here.)
  • They will claim to work for Facebook or for a company related to what the group is about. (I recently saw a t-shirt scammer in a Buffalo Bills group claim they worked at "Bills Mafia")
  • They have no information listed at all on the profile (This could just be someone who locked down their profile but if you combine it with the other items it can be a warning sign)
  • The things they "Like" don't match the details. (EG: They say they live in New York but all of their "Likes" are for companies/products/shows/etc in India)
  • They have friends with odd names/profiles that don't line up with where they say they live (EG: The profile says they live in New York but all the friends are from Nigeria and India (Yes I've seen this!))

Things to check on a post:​

  • The account posting reacts (likes, etc) to their own post and comments.
    • Only bots and scammers do this!
  • The comments are turned off and the only way to engage is to message them.

Common scams:​


Wikipedia List​


Animals for adoption/sale​


  • Do not adopt/buy animals online as they are almost always a scam!
    • Typically the scammer will ask for a deposit and block you.
    • Even if you get the animal, the animals are often sick
  • Use a local rescue, yours is likely full

Car detailing​

Post warning signs:​


  • The post will state something like they are new to the area and running a small family business
  • The post is from an individual (not a company page) and they will not tell you the company name (because it doesn't exist!)
  • Another profile (also with the warning signs above) will comment or say they have used them before (they work in groups/teams to try and convince you it's real)

How does the scam work?​

Video -https://youtu.be/gMsEx5tHK1s?si=m3r-9bECU5f5p89s

As for the actual scam, they will tell you to PM them for details

If you PM them one or more of the following may happen:

  • They will take payment and never show up, then block you.
  • The person is in another country and will find “someone” to come to detail your car and take a cut of the total as a finder's fee.
    • Who is that person? No one knows or cares
      • The scammer will often use Craiglist to find the person to do the work
    • What can they do once they are in your car:
      • Clone your key fob to steal your car later
      • Put a tracker on your car
      • Check out the security of your house to rob you later

Duct Cleaning:​

Post warning signs:​


  • The post will state something like they are new to the area and running a small family business
  • The post is from an individual (not a company page) and they will not tell you the company name (because it doesn't exist!)
  • Another profile (also with the warning signs above) will comment or say they have used them before (they work in groups/teams to try and convince you it's real)

How does the scam work?​

Video - https://youtu.be/J_FMXc7F_bM?si=kdUnbACno-gGT5U9

As for the actual scam, they will tell you to PM them for details

If you PM them one or more of the following may happen:

  • They will take payment and never show up, then block you.
  • The person posting is in another country and will find “someone” to come to clean your ducts and take a cut of the total as a finder's fee.
    • Who is that person? No one knows or cares.
      • The scammer will often use Craiglist to find the person to do the work
    • What can they do once they are in your house:
      • Charge you more than advertised
      • Check out the security in your house to rob you later
      • They can steal from you
      • Clone your car key fobs to rob it later

Facebook posts with BMW facts and/or various celebrity hashtags​

  • These are not always a scam but a way to “game” the algorithm so the content shows up higher/more
    • The people who do this are not to be trusted!
  • I block any account/page that does this because they may post scams once the content gets more engagement.

 

Fake Job Offers​

Video - https://youtu.be/wrGVFYpbL7s?si=c1_-gfmfE12sQVuR

Fake Items for sale (Crafts / Handmade / TShirts / Etc.):​

Post warning signs:​


  • They encourage you to Friend them or send them a message to get the product if they don't post a link.
  • They will say things along the lines of "None of my friends liked this but I know you will" or "No one appreciated this on my timeline" (This is to encourage you to engage with the post so they know you are a potential target) or claim a child with an ailment designed the item

How the scam works:​


If you pay them one or more of the following will happen:
  • You will get a crappy low-quality item that doesn't look at all like the picture
  • You will get nothing and have to dispute the charge or be out the money (chalk it up as a lesson with a cost)
  • You will get your credit card and/or personal information stolen and used/sold online. You will spend a considerable amount of time/money to clean this up.

Free Money / You won a Prize / etc:​


  • Nothing is free!
  • No, you didn’t win a prize for a contents you never entered
  • The scammer will ask for a fee to release the money/prize

Missing person / lost pet​

  • Warning signs:
    • Not from the official page of a law enforcement or equivalent.
    • Comments will be turned off.
    • Vague on details.
    • The poster is not from the area in question.
  • How it works:
    • Once the post is shared a number of times it will be changed to a crypto or real estate scam and because “friends” share it, it will be trusted.
  • Always validate first!

Recovery / Hacker for Hire / etc.:​

  • Anyone who claims they can recover your hacked accounts or lost funds is a scammer!
  • All they will do is take your money and block you

Selling all our items due to a death/moving/etc.​

  • You will see this in the community and buy/sell groups on social media
  • Almost always a scam from someone who doesn't live in the country they say they are in.
  • They will insist on a deposit to hold the items and then block you

Text/SMS scams:​

Arrested / In Jail / New phone​


  • The scammer will
    • Claim to be related and arrested/in jail.
    • Your child who broke his/her phone and got a new one.
  • In both cases, they will ask you to transfer money.
  • They will NOT accept a video or voice call and will have silly excuses.
    • They will demand you do it NOW (urgency).

Mail/Package​

  • The message will be a text from a shipping company (Canada Post, DHL, FexEx, UPS, USPS, etc.) claiming you have a package on the way with an issue such as missing information, a customs issue, or a failed delivery attempt.
  • There will be a link, DO NOT CLICK IT!
  • Things to think about:
    • Are you expecting a package from that company?
    • Is the area code correct?
    • Is the link to the right company/site? (Almost always no)

Traffic Ticket or Toll Charge​

  • There will be a link, DO NOT CLICK IT!
  • Things to think about:
    • Did you visit the place in question on the date/time suggested?
    • Is the area code correct?
    • Is the link to the right company/site? (Almost always no)

Wrong number text​

 
Neat thread idea. I get a TON of phishing texts and crap on Snapchat (don't use it as much as I used to but it's there, too).
 
Great thread. My Mom needs to read it. Sheesh
I regularly make sure my parents aren’t falling for these.
I do too but man it’s work
It’s getting harder and harder as technology progresses too. Scammers can grab audio from clips on social media and then use AI to call a parent/grandparent and panic them into sending money. Has to be real tough when it REALLY REALLY sounds like your granddaughter crying and saying she’s hurt/scared and needs money for something
 
Great thread. My Mom needs to read it. Sheesh
I regularly make sure my parents aren’t falling for these.
I do too but man it’s work
It’s getting harder and harder as technology progresses too. Scammers can grab audio from clips on social media and then use AI to call a parent/grandparent and panic them into sending money. Has to be real tough when it REALLY REALLY sounds like your granddaughter crying and saying she’s hurt/scared and needs money for something
we've established safe words :lmao:
 
The current scam is a posting about a serial killer in your general area. Gives some case details, no information on how to contact the authorities, and there is usually a picture of the serial killer.

Holy not using critical thinking, Batman!
 
MIL just called me and told me she got an email from Geek Squad telling her there was fraud on her account. She called the number in their email and "they had me look up my IP address on remotecontrolsomething.com and then give them a code... then my computer restarted and they wanted to make sure everything was OK so they had me logon to my bank accounts".

MIL has multiple bank accounts, some with 7 figures in them. Luckily, she only logged onto the one that she takes her monthly disbursements into which has like 10K max at any time. Then she also logged onto her southwest airlines credit card site.

I tell her to turn off her computer and immediately call her bank and credit card to tell them she's fallen victim to a keylogger scam and to freeze her accounts, ask them for next steps. She says OK.

I call her back an hour later and she tells me she called both banks and had everything turned off but didnt tell them anything about the scam. Then she says, "I also turned my computer back on and went to bank #2 (which has MILLIONS) and turned off those cards". #@$)(%*#$(%

I tell turn her computer off and not turn it back on until I get there. I then told her to call bank#2 and get everything frozen and ask them for next steps. She says "I'll do it as soon as I'm back inside from taking the dog for a walk". I call my wife at work and tell her she has to go supervise her mom doing this ****. Wife gets there and MIL is not on the phone so asks her if she did it. Her response is "They said it was a 20 minute wait so I'll just call back later".


WTF... #@$)(%* old people.
 
I received a call last week from someone saying they were calling from my city’s sheriff department. The number showing up on my phone matched the number for that department (spoofed it). They told me an urgent matter — I’m a licensed attorney; so, gave them a minute in case someone was calling because they needed legal help. Person goes on that I missed some hearing that I had signed a summons for and there was a warrant out for my arrest. Told him to quit trying to scam people. He got defensive about disrespecting the sheriff’s office. Hung up the phone and ignored his repeated callbacks.
 
MIL just called me and told me she got an email from Geek Squad telling her there was fraud on her account. She called the number in their email and "they had me look up my IP address on remotecontrolsomething.com and then give them a code... then my computer restarted and they wanted to make sure everything was OK so they had me logon to my bank accounts".

MIL has multiple bank accounts, some with 7 figures in them. Luckily, she only logged onto the one that she takes her monthly disbursements into which has like 10K max at any time. Then she also logged onto her southwest airlines credit card site.

I tell her to turn off her computer and immediately call her bank and credit card to tell them she's fallen victim to a keylogger scam and to freeze her accounts, ask them for next steps. She says OK.

I call her back an hour later and she tells me she called both banks and had everything turned off but didnt tell them anything about the scam. Then she says, "I also turned my computer back on and went to bank #2 (which has MILLIONS) and turned off those cards". #@$)(%*#$(%

I tell turn her computer off and not turn it back on until I get there. I then told her to call bank#2 and get everything frozen and ask them for next steps. She says "I'll do it as soon as I'm back inside from taking the dog for a walk". I call my wife at work and tell her she has to go supervise her mom doing this ****. Wife gets there and MIL is not on the phone so asks her if she did it. Her response is "They said it was a 20 minute wait so I'll just call back later".


WTF... #@$)(%* old people.
This is exactly what the scammers count on. The older generation does not understand the serious implications.
 
MIL just called me and told me she got an email from Geek Squad telling her there was fraud on her account. She called the number in their email and "they had me look up my IP address on remotecontrolsomething.com and then give them a code... then my computer restarted and they wanted to make sure everything was OK so they had me logon to my bank accounts".

MIL has multiple bank accounts, some with 7 figures in them. Luckily, she only logged onto the one that she takes her monthly disbursements into which has like 10K max at any time. Then she also logged onto her southwest airlines credit card site.

I tell her to turn off her computer and immediately call her bank and credit card to tell them she's fallen victim to a keylogger scam and to freeze her accounts, ask them for next steps. She says OK.

I call her back an hour later and she tells me she called both banks and had everything turned off but didnt tell them anything about the scam. Then she says, "I also turned my computer back on and went to bank #2 (which has MILLIONS) and turned off those cards". #@$)(%*#$(%

I tell turn her computer off and not turn it back on until I get there. I then told her to call bank#2 and get everything frozen and ask them for next steps. She says "I'll do it as soon as I'm back inside from taking the dog for a walk". I call my wife at work and tell her she has to go supervise her mom doing this ****. Wife gets there and MIL is not on the phone so asks her if she did it. Her response is "They said it was a 20 minute wait so I'll just call back later".


WTF... #@$)(%* old people.
Ugh. I hope they didn't drain the accounts. That sounds terrible.
 
MIL just called me and told me she got an email from Geek Squad telling her there was fraud on her account. She called the number in their email and "they had me look up my IP address on remotecontrolsomething.com and then give them a code... then my computer restarted and they wanted to make sure everything was OK so they had me logon to my bank accounts".

MIL has multiple bank accounts, some with 7 figures in them. Luckily, she only logged onto the one that she takes her monthly disbursements into which has like 10K max at any time. Then she also logged onto her southwest airlines credit card site.

I tell her to turn off her computer and immediately call her bank and credit card to tell them she's fallen victim to a keylogger scam and to freeze her accounts, ask them for next steps. She says OK.

I call her back an hour later and she tells me she called both banks and had everything turned off but didnt tell them anything about the scam. Then she says, "I also turned my computer back on and went to bank #2 (which has MILLIONS) and turned off those cards". #@$)(%*#$(%

I tell turn her computer off and not turn it back on until I get there. I then told her to call bank#2 and get everything frozen and ask them for next steps. She says "I'll do it as soon as I'm back inside from taking the dog for a walk". I call my wife at work and tell her she has to go supervise her mom doing this ****. Wife gets there and MIL is not on the phone so asks her if she did it. Her response is "They said it was a 20 minute wait so I'll just call back later".


WTF... #@$)(%* old people.
this is basically every other week with my MIL

she has taken to putting tape over her webcam because she thinks that's how the scammers are getting to her.. yet she still answers the calls, the chats, clicks on random links/invites, etc. she relies on my teen kids to handle her self-inflicted computer problems but they can't do everything.

makes me wonder if we're all going to be falling for this stuff as we get older or is this a function of our parents/grandparents having not grown up with this technology and in some cases not really starting to used it until their 60s or beyond?
 
MIL just called me and told me she got an email from Geek Squad telling her there was fraud on her account. She called the number in their email and "they had me look up my IP address on remotecontrolsomething.com and then give them a code... then my computer restarted and they wanted to make sure everything was OK so they had me logon to my bank accounts".

MIL has multiple bank accounts, some with 7 figures in them. Luckily, she only logged onto the one that she takes her monthly disbursements into which has like 10K max at any time. Then she also logged onto her southwest airlines credit card site.

I tell her to turn off her computer and immediately call her bank and credit card to tell them she's fallen victim to a keylogger scam and to freeze her accounts, ask them for next steps. She says OK.

I call her back an hour later and she tells me she called both banks and had everything turned off but didnt tell them anything about the scam. Then she says, "I also turned my computer back on and went to bank #2 (which has MILLIONS) and turned off those cards". #@$)(%*#$(%

I tell turn her computer off and not turn it back on until I get there. I then told her to call bank#2 and get everything frozen and ask them for next steps. She says "I'll do it as soon as I'm back inside from taking the dog for a walk". I call my wife at work and tell her she has to go supervise her mom doing this ****. Wife gets there and MIL is not on the phone so asks her if she did it. Her response is "They said it was a 20 minute wait so I'll just call back later".


WTF... #@$)(%* old people.
Ugh. I hope they didn't drain the accounts. That sounds terrible.
Looks like we caught it in time. Nothing missing so far... passwords all changed. Accounts frozen and to be changed and I'll be over to recover her computer to a previous restore point this afternoon.
 
MIL just called me and told me she got an email from Geek Squad telling her there was fraud on her account. She called the number in their email and "they had me look up my IP address on remotecontrolsomething.com and then give them a code... then my computer restarted and they wanted to make sure everything was OK so they had me logon to my bank accounts".

MIL has multiple bank accounts, some with 7 figures in them. Luckily, she only logged onto the one that she takes her monthly disbursements into which has like 10K max at any time. Then she also logged onto her southwest airlines credit card site.

I tell her to turn off her computer and immediately call her bank and credit card to tell them she's fallen victim to a keylogger scam and to freeze her accounts, ask them for next steps. She says OK.

I call her back an hour later and she tells me she called both banks and had everything turned off but didnt tell them anything about the scam. Then she says, "I also turned my computer back on and went to bank #2 (which has MILLIONS) and turned off those cards". #@$)(%*#$(%

I tell turn her computer off and not turn it back on until I get there. I then told her to call bank#2 and get everything frozen and ask them for next steps. She says "I'll do it as soon as I'm back inside from taking the dog for a walk". I call my wife at work and tell her she has to go supervise her mom doing this ****. Wife gets there and MIL is not on the phone so asks her if she did it. Her response is "They said it was a 20 minute wait so I'll just call back later".


WTF... #@$)(%* old people.
This is exactly what the scammers count on. The older generation does not understand the serious implications.
And she manages the accounts of her 90 year old father :(
 
My wife had a problem with PayPal a year ago and could not log in to her account. Instead of getting their phone number from their website, she 'googled" it. She answered several of their questions before calling to me in the other room asking for my SS#. I said what the heck do they need that for ? Hang up immediately and call your bank and cards and tell them you have been scammed. They tried to charge $1400 on two different cards but we called soon enough to stop it . Glad I was home at the time .
 
makes me wonder if we're all going to be falling for this stuff as we get older or is this a function of our parents/grandparents having not grown up with this technology and in some cases not really starting to used it until their 60s or beyond?

abso-freaking-lutley.

because in 20 years, it'll be something new to us and we'll be doomed to repeat this kind of ignorance, relying on what we "know" now and thinking we've got it covered.

or maybe that's just me.
 
MIL just called me and told me she got an email from Geek Squad telling her there was fraud on her account. She called the number in their email and "they had me look up my IP address on remotecontrolsomething.com and then give them a code... then my computer restarted and they wanted to make sure everything was OK so they had me logon to my bank accounts".

MIL has multiple bank accounts, some with 7 figures in them. Luckily, she only logged onto the one that she takes her monthly disbursements into which has like 10K max at any time. Then she also logged onto her southwest airlines credit card site.

I tell her to turn off her computer and immediately call her bank and credit card to tell them she's fallen victim to a keylogger scam and to freeze her accounts, ask them for next steps. She says OK.

I call her back an hour later and she tells me she called both banks and had everything turned off but didnt tell them anything about the scam. Then she says, "I also turned my computer back on and went to bank #2 (which has MILLIONS) and turned off those cards". #@$)(%*#$(%

I tell turn her computer off and not turn it back on until I get there. I then told her to call bank#2 and get everything frozen and ask them for next steps. She says "I'll do it as soon as I'm back inside from taking the dog for a walk". I call my wife at work and tell her she has to go supervise her mom doing this ****. Wife gets there and MIL is not on the phone so asks her if she did it. Her response is "They said it was a 20 minute wait so I'll just call back later".


WTF... #@$)(%* old people.
this is basically every other week with my MIL

she has taken to putting tape over her webcam because she thinks that's how the scammers are getting to her.. yet she still answers the calls, the chats, clicks on random links/invites, etc. she relies on my teen kids to handle her self-inflicted computer problems but they can't do everything.

makes me wonder if we're all going to be falling for this stuff as we get older or is this a function of our parents/grandparents having not grown up with this technology and in some cases not really starting to used it until their 60s or beyond?
One of my best friends is starting a consulting company to assist folks with elderly parents navigate technology issues. I actually had him sign up for a forum account here so he can start doing some research via this and other threads related to dealing with elderly parents and tech stuff.

If anyone's interested in learning any more about his services, let me know and I can connect you.
 
MIL just called me and told me she got an email from Geek Squad telling her there was fraud on her account. She called the number in their email and "they had me look up my IP address on remotecontrolsomething.com and then give them a code... then my computer restarted and they wanted to make sure everything was OK so they had me logon to my bank accounts".

MIL has multiple bank accounts, some with 7 figures in them. Luckily, she only logged onto the one that she takes her monthly disbursements into which has like 10K max at any time. Then she also logged onto her southwest airlines credit card site.

I tell her to turn off her computer and immediately call her bank and credit card to tell them she's fallen victim to a keylogger scam and to freeze her accounts, ask them for next steps. She says OK.

I call her back an hour later and she tells me she called both banks and had everything turned off but didnt tell them anything about the scam. Then she says, "I also turned my computer back on and went to bank #2 (which has MILLIONS) and turned off those cards". #@$)(%*#$(%

I tell turn her computer off and not turn it back on until I get there. I then told her to call bank#2 and get everything frozen and ask them for next steps. She says "I'll do it as soon as I'm back inside from taking the dog for a walk". I call my wife at work and tell her she has to go supervise her mom doing this ****. Wife gets there and MIL is not on the phone so asks her if she did it. Her response is "They said it was a 20 minute wait so I'll just call back later".


WTF... #@$)(%* old people.
this is basically every other week with my MIL

she has taken to putting tape over her webcam because she thinks that's how the scammers are getting to her.. yet she still answers the calls, the chats, clicks on random links/invites, etc. she relies on my teen kids to handle her self-inflicted computer problems but they can't do everything.

makes me wonder if we're all going to be falling for this stuff as we get older or is this a function of our parents/grandparents having not grown up with this technology and in some cases not really starting to used it until their 60s or beyond?
One of my best friends is starting a consulting company to assist folks with elderly parents navigate technology issues. I actually had him sign up for a forum account here so he can start doing some research via this and other threads related to dealing with elderly parents and tech stuff.

If anyone's interested in learning any more about his services, let me know and I can connect you.
sounds like a scam.
 
MIL just called me and told me she got an email from Geek Squad telling her there was fraud on her account. She called the number in their email and "they had me look up my IP address on remotecontrolsomething.com and then give them a code... then my computer restarted and they wanted to make sure everything was OK so they had me logon to my bank accounts".

MIL has multiple bank accounts, some with 7 figures in them. Luckily, she only logged onto the one that she takes her monthly disbursements into which has like 10K max at any time. Then she also logged onto her southwest airlines credit card site.

I tell her to turn off her computer and immediately call her bank and credit card to tell them she's fallen victim to a keylogger scam and to freeze her accounts, ask them for next steps. She says OK.

I call her back an hour later and she tells me she called both banks and had everything turned off but didnt tell them anything about the scam. Then she says, "I also turned my computer back on and went to bank #2 (which has MILLIONS) and turned off those cards". #@$)(%*#$(%

I tell turn her computer off and not turn it back on until I get there. I then told her to call bank#2 and get everything frozen and ask them for next steps. She says "I'll do it as soon as I'm back inside from taking the dog for a walk". I call my wife at work and tell her she has to go supervise her mom doing this ****. Wife gets there and MIL is not on the phone so asks her if she did it. Her response is "They said it was a 20 minute wait so I'll just call back later".


WTF... #@$)(%* old people.
this is basically every other week with my MIL

she has taken to putting tape over her webcam because she thinks that's how the scammers are getting to her.. yet she still answers the calls, the chats, clicks on random links/invites, etc. she relies on my teen kids to handle her self-inflicted computer problems but they can't do everything.

makes me wonder if we're all going to be falling for this stuff as we get older or is this a function of our parents/grandparents having not grown up with this technology and in some cases not really starting to used it until their 60s or beyond?
One of my best friends is starting a consulting company to assist folks with elderly parents navigate technology issues. I actually had him sign up for a forum account here so he can start doing some research via this and other threads related to dealing with elderly parents and tech stuff.

If anyone's interested in learning any more about his services, let me know and I can connect you.
sounds like a scam.
It's no social casino, I know that much. :lol:
 
makes me wonder if we're all going to be falling for this stuff as we get older or is this a function of our parents/grandparents having not grown up with this technology and in some cases not really starting to used it until their 60s or beyond?

abso-freaking-lutley.

because in 20 years, it'll be something new to us and we'll be doomed to repeat this kind of ignorance, relying on what we "know" now and thinking we've got it covered.

or maybe that's just me.
instructions unclear: just dm'd you my birth certificate

please advise on next steps
 
makes me wonder if we're all going to be falling for this stuff as we get older or is this a function of our parents/grandparents having not grown up with this technology and in some cases not really starting to used it until their 60s or beyond?

abso-freaking-lutley.

because in 20 years, it'll be something new to us and we'll be doomed to repeat this kind of ignorance, relying on what we "know" now and thinking we've got it covered.

or maybe that's just me.
instructions unclear: just dm'd you my birth certificate

please advise on next steps
Send first born
 
makes me wonder if we're all going to be falling for this stuff as we get older or is this a function of our parents/grandparents having not grown up with this technology and in some cases not really starting to used it until their 60s or beyond?

abso-freaking-lutley.

because in 20 years, it'll be something new to us and we'll be doomed to repeat this kind of ignorance, relying on what we "know" now and thinking we've got it covered.

or maybe that's just me.
instructions unclear: just dm'd you my birth certificate

please advise on next steps
I don't know how to download this. Can you please take over my computer and do it for me. Tia.
 
makes me wonder if we're all going to be falling for this stuff as we get older or is this a function of our parents/grandparents having not grown up with this technology and in some cases not really starting to used it until their 60s or beyond?

abso-freaking-lutley.

because in 20 years, it'll be something new to us and we'll be doomed to repeat this kind of ignorance, relying on what we "know" now and thinking we've got it covered.

or maybe that's just me.
instructions unclear: just dm'd you my birth certificate

please advise on next steps
Send first born
If only
 

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