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Creepier Belief system (1 Viewer)

Which is creepier

  • Scientology

    Votes: 30 88.2%
  • Creationism

    Votes: 4 11.8%

  • Total voters
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The free gift of salvation..  Do you have to believe Jesus was resurrected and is the son of God to qualify for this free gift?  or is it just free to everyone?because for some people, although they would love to go to heaven, it is just hard to believe in something like that.. I think that's what fatguy means by the "stuff you have to do" for this free gift.  Even believing in something isn't as easy as it seems..
its "free" because you don't have to pay for it...its "free" because it was payed for already...The reason Christians say it is a "free gift of salvation" is not because it costs you anything here on earth... It does cost things... We need to repent... repentance is turning away from teh sin that is in our lives.... that is a cost...The reason it is "Free" however, is because the price of sin is death... That death is payed for in full through Christ's death...That is why salvation is a "free gift"... it is free in a different sense than what it is being spoken of as....
the payment for this free gift is your belief in the whole thing. Otherwise, everyone would be saved and there would be no point in debating any of this.
is the belief really a payment?
most people would love a free trip to heaven, if one exists.. but in order to accept this free gift, you have to believe that Jesus rose from the dead and that he is who he says he is. Otherwise, your "acceptance" of the free gift is not genuine. so yes, you have to pay for this gift.. you have to believe and then grow spiritually, or bear "fruit".. if you claim to be a christian but don't bear any fruit, you may be treated just like Jesus treated the fig tree.. and he cursed it because it didn't bear fruit, and it wasn't even in season!
 
Larry, how do you know they're exact? How can you be 100% SURE? Can you PROVE IT? After all, these old dinosaurs were put together by drunk paleontologists who were probably pulled out of a crack house and thrown into a scientist suit since they don't know what they're doing. How do you KNOW FOR SURE 100% what the dinosaurs looked like?}=+(8--o]

 
but they're not just similar... they are EXACT, just smaller...
:rotflmao: You're just wrong. You can argue any point if you make stuff up.
hey... nice answer to the question...oh wait, you didn't asnwer it... nevermind...carry on... never consider anything...I laughed every time in this thread when people who believed in creation were said to not be considering things, because posts like this prove that you haven't considered one thing at any point at all...
 
How does the whole of reptiles somehow evolve itself into miniature versions of itself 100,000,000 years after they go extint in huge forms?
Now we're at the entire reptile world? What happened to 4?
my point is I used 4 examples and you guys say "its a good body form" but none of htem ahve the same body form (unless you count 4 limbs as the same form)...My point is that they really aren't all that similar to eachother, but the thought is brushed off before it is really even considered...They look EXACTLY like some dinosaurs... maybe the color is al ittle different, but that coloring is a guess when it is on the dinosaur...
 
Larry how old do you think the world really is? If you do some type of genealogy in the bible, you can account it back to about 6,000 years.. do you really believe the earth is that young?

 
most people would love a free trip to heaven, if one exists.. but in order to accept this free gift, you have to believe that Jesus rose from the dead and that he is who he says he is. Otherwise, your "acceptance" of the free gift is not genuine. so yes, you have to pay for this gift.. you have to believe and then grow spiritually, or bear "fruit".. if you claim to be a christian but don't bear any fruit, you may be treated just like Jesus treated the fig tree.. and he cursed it because it didn't bear fruit, and it wasn't even in season!
1. wasn't in season? huh?? How do you know the date of the fig tree thing??2. believing something really isn't a price to pay... a price to pay is like some religions have said where you need to sacrifice your children or something... taht is a price...saying "believe in this" is not a price to pay...
 
but they're not just similar... they are EXACT, just smaller...
:rotflmao: You're just wrong. You can argue any point if you make stuff up.
hey... nice answer to the question...oh wait, you didn't asnwer it... nevermind...carry on... never consider anything...I laughed every time in this thread when people who believed in creation were said to not be considering things, because posts like this prove that you haven't considered one thing at any point at all...
Right, God looks exactly like a peanut. He's just bigger. That's proof that God exists.
 
but they're not just similar... they are EXACT, just smaller...
:rotflmao: You're just wrong. You can argue any point if you make stuff up.
And how do you explain the pteranodon and the pigeon?Same EXACT creature, just smaller... :mellow:
except for the feathers... and like... everything else...didn't pteradon's have bigger beaks/claws, etc.??
 
but they're not just similar... they are EXACT, just smaller...
:rotflmao: You're just wrong. You can argue any point if you make stuff up.
hey... nice answer to the question...oh wait, you didn't asnwer it... nevermind...carry on... never consider anything...I laughed every time in this thread when people who believed in creation were said to not be considering things, because posts like this prove that you haven't considered one thing at any point at all...
Right, God looks exactly like a peanut. He's just bigger. That's proof that God exists.
how do we know he's bigger?
 
Larry, how do you know they're exact? How can you be 100% SURE? Can you PROVE IT? After all, these old dinosaurs were put together by drunk paleontologists who were probably pulled out of a crack house and thrown into a scientist suit since they don't know what they're doing. How do you KNOW FOR SURE 100% what the dinosaurs looked like?}=+(8--o]
nice dodge of the question...*didn't expect a remotely serious answer*
 
Larry how old do you think the world really is? If you do some type of genealogy in the bible, you can account it back to about 6,000 years.. do you really believe the earth is that young?
the question is...why not?
 
but they're not just similar... they are EXACT, just smaller...
:rotflmao: You're just wrong. You can argue any point if you make stuff up.
And how do you explain the pteranodon and the pigeon?Same EXACT creature, just smaller... :mellow:
except for the feathers... and like... everything else...didn't pteradon's have bigger beaks/claws, etc.??
how do you know pteranodons didn't have feathers?did you ever see one?
 
but they're not just similar... they are EXACT, just smaller...
:rotflmao: You're just wrong. You can argue any point if you make stuff up.
hey... nice answer to the question...oh wait, you didn't asnwer it... nevermind...carry on... never consider anything...I laughed every time in this thread when people who believed in creation were said to not be considering things, because posts like this prove that you haven't considered one thing at any point at all...
Right, God looks exactly like a peanut. He's just bigger. That's proof that God exists.
how do we know he's bigger?
Peanuts never stop growing. It's a scientific fact.
 
but they're not just similar... they are EXACT, just smaller...
:rotflmao: You're just wrong. You can argue any point if you make stuff up.
And how do you explain the pteranodon and the pigeon?Same EXACT creature, just smaller... :mellow:
except for the feathers... and like... everything else...didn't pteradon's have bigger beaks/claws, etc.??
how do you know pteranodons didn't have feathers?did you ever see one?
no, my point is the thought about them is they didn't have feathers...how do we have any idea what any of the dinosaurs looked like? We really don't...
 
but they're not just similar... they are EXACT, just smaller...
:rotflmao: You're just wrong. You can argue any point if you make stuff up.
And how do you explain the pteranodon and the pigeon?Same EXACT creature, just smaller... :mellow:
except for the feathers... and like... everything else...didn't pteradon's have bigger beaks/claws, etc.??
how do you know pteranodons didn't have feathers?did you ever see one?
no, my point is the thought about them is they didn't have feathers...how do we have any idea what any of the dinosaurs looked like? We really don't...
But you said they look exactly like modern reptiles!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
 
but they're not just similar... they are EXACT, just smaller...
:rotflmao: You're just wrong. You can argue any point if you make stuff up.
And how do you explain the pteranodon and the pigeon?Same EXACT creature, just smaller... :mellow:
except for the feathers... and like... everything else...didn't pteradon's have bigger beaks/claws, etc.??
how do you know pteranodons didn't have feathers?did you ever see one?
no, my point is the thought about them is they didn't have feathers...how do we have any idea what any of the dinosaurs looked like? We really don't...
But you said they look exactly like modern reptiles!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
and I was referring to bone structures, etc...We don't know what the color of thier scales were, etc...Heck, we really don't know if they ahd scales or not, you can't tell by looking at bones...So we don't know what they look like exactly...all we have is bones...and the bones (and the thought of what they look like) is IDENTICAL to modern reptiles in cases...
 
but they're not just similar... they are EXACT, just smaller...
:rotflmao: You're just wrong. You can argue any point if you make stuff up.
And how do you explain the pteranodon and the pigeon?Same EXACT creature, just smaller... :mellow:
except for the feathers... and like... everything else...didn't pteradon's have bigger beaks/claws, etc.??
how do you know pteranodons didn't have feathers?did you ever see one?
no, my point is the thought about them is they didn't have feathers...how do we have any idea what any of the dinosaurs looked like? We really don't...
But you said they look exactly like modern reptiles!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
and I was referring to bone structures, etc...We don't know what the color of thier scales were, etc...Heck, we really don't know if they ahd scales or not, you can't tell by looking at bones...So we don't know what they look like exactly...all we have is bones...and the bones (and the thought of what they look like) is IDENTICAL to modern reptiles in cases...
No, they aren't. Are you a zoologist?
 
most people would love a free trip to heaven, if one exists.. but in order to accept this free gift, you have to believe that Jesus rose from the dead and that he is who he says he is. Otherwise, your "acceptance" of the free gift is not genuine.

so yes, you have to pay for this gift.. you have to believe and then grow spiritually, or bear "fruit".. if you claim to be a christian but don't bear any fruit, you may be treated just like Jesus treated the fig tree.. and he cursed it because it didn't bear fruit, and it wasn't even in season!
1. wasn't in season? huh?? How do you know the date of the fig tree thing??2. believing something really isn't a price to pay... a price to pay is like some religions have said where you need to sacrifice your children or something... taht is a price...

saying "believe in this" is not a price to pay...
it is a price, because you have to genuinely believe it. If you don't then no dice. So it isn't free without strings. Don't you read your bible larry? or do you just comment based on what you've heard others say?

mark 11:13-14 -- Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs.Then he said to the tree, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again." And his disciples heard him say it.

Jesus was in jerusalem in early spring.. Figs bear fruit later in the summer. Jesus cursed it anyway..

 
but they're not just similar... they are EXACT, just smaller...
:rotflmao: You're just wrong. You can argue any point if you make stuff up.
And how do you explain the pteranodon and the pigeon?Same EXACT creature, just smaller... :mellow:
except for the feathers... and like... everything else...didn't pteradon's have bigger beaks/claws, etc.??
how do you know pteranodons didn't have feathers?did you ever see one?
no, my point is the thought about them is they didn't have feathers...how do we have any idea what any of the dinosaurs looked like? We really don't...
But you said they look exactly like modern reptiles!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
and I was referring to bone structures, etc...We don't know what the color of thier scales were, etc...Heck, we really don't know if they ahd scales or not, you can't tell by looking at bones...So we don't know what they look like exactly...all we have is bones...and the bones (and the thought of what they look like) is IDENTICAL to modern reptiles in cases...
I have a bone, Larry. I just pulled it out of my garbage. Please explain to me how this bone is the same as or different than a dinosaur bone.
 
it is a price, because you have to genuinely believe it. If you don't then no dice. So it isn't free without strings.

Don't you read your bible larry? or do you just comment based on what you've heard others say?

mark 11:13-14 -- Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs.Then he said to the tree, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again." And his disciples heard him say it.

Jesus was in jerusalem in early spring.. Figs bear fruit later in the summer. Jesus cursed it anyway..
yeah I read my Bible... just never noticed that....and that isn't really a price...

 
But you said they look exactly like modern reptiles!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
No no, they were bigger. Because dinosaurs lived for 8000 years. Like, I mean, a single dinosaur. And reptiles never stop growing. Then the flood came, so now nobody lives as long. So all the lizards on earth are actually dinosaurs they just don't get a chance to grow. And lions can mate with housecats.How am I doing, Larry? I want to get the hypothesis right so that we can properly put together experiments to test it.
 
most people would love a free trip to heaven, if one exists.. but in order to accept this free gift, you have to believe that Jesus rose from the dead and that he is who he says he is. Otherwise, your "acceptance" of the free gift is not genuine. so yes, you have to pay for this gift.. you have to believe and then grow spiritually, or bear "fruit".. if you claim to be a christian but don't bear any fruit, you may be treated just like Jesus treated the fig tree.. and he cursed it because it didn't bear fruit, and it wasn't even in season!
1. wasn't in season? huh?? How do you know the date of the fig tree thing??
1. I'm assuming, like the rest of us that know this, he has read Mark.
 
it is a price, because you have to genuinely believe it. If you don't then no dice. So it isn't free without strings.

Don't you read your bible larry? or do you just comment based on what you've heard others say?

mark 11:13-14 -- Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs.Then he said to the tree, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again." And his disciples heard him say it.

Jesus was in jerusalem in early spring.. Figs bear fruit later in the summer. Jesus cursed it anyway..
yeah I read my Bible... just never noticed that....and that isn't really a price...
would you consider it a "string" attached?
 
You guys are missing the pont about dinosaurs...No living creature has evolved from brontosaurs, anklyosaurs, triceratops, etc...It was an evolutionary dead-end (well, it was a line that was terminated by an external event - probably a meteorite strike). So nothing is related to them. From a taxonomic point of view, the common ancestor is much earlier...[forgive me if I'm a little rusty - I haven't done much evoluitonary paleantology since aboot 1995... ]
the question is why do a number of modern lizards look EXACTLY like miniature versions of dinosaurs then? Wouldn't that support the thought that dinosaurs didn't live millions of years ago???
No.
 
it is a price, because you have to genuinely believe it.  If you don't then no dice.  So it isn't free without strings. 

Don't you read your bible larry?  or do you just comment based on what you've heard others say?

mark 11:13-14 -- Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs.Then he said to the tree, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again." And his disciples heard him say it.

Jesus was in jerusalem in early spring.. Figs bear fruit later in the summer.  Jesus cursed it anyway..
yeah I read my Bible... just never noticed that....and that isn't really a price...
would you consider it a "string" attached?
yes, but not a price...the payment for sin is death... you no longer have to make that payment(die in hell forever), all you have to do is believe in Jesus... that is not the payment, therefore it is free from its price...

 
Ankylosaurus.Bearded dragon.Same. Exactly. This argument is money.
I forsee one of two responses:A) No one bothered to explain why 4 kinds of lizards look exactly like mini dinosaurs. o)=0) I knew I wouldn't get an answer to my question.B) Yeah but you have nothing to say about the other 3 or 4 kinds of lizards I talked about.
 
It was the ability to accessorize that allowed the bearded dragon to survive.
This whole escapade has become far too stupid to be anything but a fishing expedition. But it's such giggles that I quit caring about p. 2. Never die, thread!
 
Ankylosaurus.Bearded dragon.Same.  Exactly.  This argument is money.
I forsee one of two responses:A) No one bothered to explain why 4 kinds of lizards look exactly like mini dinosaurs. o)=0) I knew I wouldn't get an answer to my question.B) Yeah but you have nothing to say about the other 3 or 4 kinds of lizards I talked about.
They're actually quite a bit closer-looking than the iguana and iguanadon. But it's got to be more than a coincidence that they had such similar sounding names...
 
They're actually quite a bit closer-looking than the iguana and iguanadon. But it's got to be more than a coincidence that they had such similar sounding names...
well...duhgod named them that for a reason...
 
you still need to explain why modern lizards look and are built like dinosaurs...
What kind of lizard looks like a Triceratops? Or a Diplodocus?
Evolutionists argue that modern day lizards and other reptiles are quite divergent from "the dinosaurs." The closest living relatives of the typical Jurrassic era dinosaurs are birds, which are considered actually to be dinosaurs by systematists using cladistic analysis (study of lineages and evolutionary relationships).
HOW?!?!I thought all dinosaurs DIED, not became smaller and evolved to birds...if the meteor that hit the earth (or whatever the theory is now) destroyed life on earth, how did the dinosaurs survive to become birds? I thought they all died...
You need to pick up a book on dinosaurs in order to get your knowledge of them beyond what the typical 8 year old boy knows. Not all life was destroyed at the time the big dinosaurs became extinct. There were mammals that coexisted with the dinosaurs and many reptiles like turtles, alligators, and so on survived the mass extinction.
 
You guys are missing the pont about dinosaurs...No living creature has evolved from brontosaurs, anklyosaurs, triceratops, etc...It was an evolutionary dead-end (well, it was a line that was terminated by an external event - probably a meteorite strike). So nothing is related to them. From a taxonomic point of view, the common ancestor is much earlier...[forgive me if I'm a little rusty - I haven't done much evoluitonary paleantology since aboot 1995... ]
the question is why do a number of modern lizards look EXACTLY like miniature versions of dinosaurs then? Wouldn't that support the thought that dinosaurs didn't live millions of years ago???
He doesn't really believe this. He's just stirring the pot. :fishing:
will I get an answer to teh question?*doubts it*
The answer is because it's an efficient body shape for accomplishing certain tasks if you're a reptile. It therefore gets preferentially selected over time.
but they're not just similar... they are EXACT, just smaller...and it isn't always the same shape... there are multiple examples of this (I gave 4 earlier in the thread.... either no one noticed it or no one could answer it...)its not like all 4 of those reptiles look alike (I think none of them really look alike), but they all look like different dinosaurs... how does this happen?How does the whole of reptiles somehow evolve itself into miniature versions of itself 100,000,000 years after they go extint in huge forms?
I think that birds are the only modern day animals whose lineage can be traced back directly to the dinosaurs (if I remember from my evolution classes, I think that modern day crocodilians are also closely related to dinosaurs, but not as closely related as birds). Just because modern reptiles may have homologous features resembling the dinosaurs, doesn't mean they descended directly from them. I'll try to post some information from a vertebrate evolution textbook later today, if anyone really cares... :nerd: :thumbup:
 
I think that birds are the only modern day animals whose lineage can be traced back directly to the dinosaurs (if I remember from my evolution classes, I think that modern day crocodilians are also closely related to dinosaurs, but not as closely related as birds). Just because modern reptiles may have homologous features resembling the dinosaurs, doesn't mean they descended directly from them. I'll try to post some information from a vertebrate evolution textbook later today, if anyone really cares... :nerd: :thumbup:
what about the mighty gopher?
 
I think that birds are the only modern day animals whose lineage can be traced back directly to the dinosaurs (if I remember from my evolution classes, I think that modern day crocodilians are also closely related to dinosaurs, but not as closely related as birds). Just because modern reptiles may have homologous features resembling the dinosaurs, doesn't mean they descended directly from them. I'll try to post some information from a vertebrate evolution textbook later today, if anyone really cares... :nerd: :thumbup:
what about the mighty gopher?
Gophers are officially classified as "varmints" and are notoriously resistant to extinction.
 
I think that birds are the only modern day animals whose lineage can be traced back directly to the dinosaurs (if I remember from my evolution classes, I think that modern day crocodilians are also closely related to dinosaurs, but not as closely related as birds). Just because modern reptiles may have homologous features resembling the dinosaurs, doesn't mean they descended directly from them. I'll try to post some information from a vertebrate evolution textbook later today, if anyone really cares... :nerd:   :thumbup:
what about the mighty gopher?
Gophers are officially classified as "varmints" and are notoriously resistant to extinction.
Not in tommyboy's neighbourhood.
 
No, they aren't. Are you a zoologist?
are you?
Larry, I suspect this is a waste of time because you've shown in this thread not only a real ignorance of biology and science in general, but a refusal to really read any of the posts that attempt to unscramble your muddled questions and give you straightforward answers, but anyway -Dinosaurs looked very dissimilar to modern reptiles. Dinosaurs shared some diagnostic features of the bones in the skull that tells us that they were almost certainly reptiles (at least, no other modern or fossil group shares them except for other reptiles). Outside of that, though, dinosaurs were their own deal. The shape of their pelvic girdle tells us that they were all descended from a bipedal ancestor, and many of them retained this posture throughout their evolutionary history. However, anatomist would ever, ever, ever confuse a dinosaur skeleton with the skeleton of other types of reptiles, such as lepidosaurs (modern and fossil lizards and snakes), anapsids (modern and fossil turtles), or other archasaurs (which include dinosaurs, modern and fossil birds, and modern and fossil crocodilians). The skeletal features are completely different, although there are enough common features (as well as egg-laying) that lead us to put all these things in the same larger grouping of "reptiles". In other words, a dinosaur doesn't have a lot in common with a turtle or a lizard, but it has more in common with them than it does with a mammal or amphibian. Birds - Birds appeared on the scene long before dinosaurs went extinct 65 million years ago. We have fossil birds dating back 90 million years. There are several transitional forms that show a melange of dinosaur and bird features, which, along with several key similarities in morphology, make scientists fairly confident that the two groups are closely related and that birds descended from a group of small bipedal dinosaurs called theropods (although not always small! T Rex awas a theropod). While this confidence dates back to the late 19th century, two discoveries really drove home the lesson. The first was the discovery of Archeopteryx. Archeopteryx was a bird, since it had feathers and at the time of discovery anything with feathers was automatically called a bird. But Archeopteryx shared a number of features with dinosaurs that no modern bird possesses, included a dinosaur-like hip bone and a long bony tail. It also had teeth. The rock strata that Archeopteryx was found in dates back more than 80 million years, and if you don't like the dates, then at the very least they were a lot older than the most recent dinosaur-bearing rocks.More recently (in the last 20 years) paleontologists have found a host of fossils linking dinosaurs to birds that pretty much removes all doubt. First, several small dinosaurs have been discovered that actually had feathers! The shape in the rocks was charachteristic of a primitive unbranched feather, and in one case enough of the original feather material was left intact to chemically test it - and sure enough, it was a type of keratin (a class of protein also found in scales, hair, fingernails, claws, and other structures built by skin cells) that is unique to feathers. These dinosaurs were small, lightly built, and were skeletally similar enough that many paleontologists today refer to birds as "non-dinosaur theropods".The question of why dinosaurs went extinct but not birds and mammals is a good one. The likely answer is that a lot of birds and mammals did go extinct along with the dinosaurs, and that the birds and mammals you see around you today are the result of the subsequent proliferation of the relatively few survivors. It might have been some built in characteristic like a high metabolism and small size that helped get a few mammals and birds over the hump but left the dinos behind. Or it might have been plain dumb luck, as is often the case in natural history. We really don't know, but these are good questions to ask. The funny thing is, you could have answered all those questions yourself by reading a high school or freshman college biology textbook. Or by googling "dinosaur" and "bird". It's not secret information.
 

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