Creepier Belief system (1 Viewer)

[Jericho]

Why did we never invite Bubba to an evolution debate before? This is way more fun.

And he seems to be behaving himself, more or less. Do you think it's safe to broach the subject of his suspected identity?

Does he have a suspected identity?

 

[shining path]

Why did we never invite Bubba to an evolution debate before?  This is way more fun.

And he seems to be behaving himself, more or less. Do you think it's safe to broach the subject of his suspected identity?

Does he have a suspected identity?

I always figured he was scoobygang.

 

[pantagrapher]

Tangential question:If there is no God, then who is George W. Bush talking to?

 

[tangfoot]

Alanis Morissette.

I'd worship that for a dollar.

 

[MelvinTScupper]

does it look like Jesus, Jim Cazaviel, or George Burns?

Alanis Morissette.

Heaven.....if she's nude.Absolutely guarantees there is sex in heaven.

 

[Jericho]

How is this an immature reaction? I know what I believe....you are the one who lacks faith here. From what I gather, I know what you don't believe, I freely admit that much of what I believe is faith and more of what I believe is based on faith than anything experiential. The problem is that these debates always require Christian believers to prove unprovables to some extent. Call me immature if you will, but perhaps you should get around to figure out in what you place faith.

Wrong. The correct response should have been "I find your lack of faith disturbing".I award you zero points and may god have mercy on your soul.

 

[tangfoot]

scoobygang

Why do I always read this as "scoobybang"?That's a visual I REALLY don't want in my head.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

The problem is that these debates always require Christian believers to prove unprovables to some extent.

go figure...

Okay, Bubba, I want you to prove to me that the moon is not made of green cheese. Are you gonna get in a rocket and go sample the moon or do you think you will rely on others who have more of a capacity to do it?I trust that the writers and translators of the Bible have gotten it right. Maybe I am crazy for this simple belief, but it is where I stand. Firmly I might add.....and I am not even a literalist.

 

[Sweet J]

Why did we never invite Bubba to an evolution debate before?  This is way more fun.

And he seems to be behaving himself, more or less. Do you think it's safe to broach the subject of his suspected identity?

Does he have a suspected identity?

I always figured he was scoobygang.

Seconded

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

No it is quite factual that in most of these debates there are those that are attacked for having faith and those that take pot shots from an easy position of having nothing to believe in.

 

[tangfoot]

I trust that the writers and translators of the Bible have gotten it right.

These people were not infallible, you know.They were also not there.They were also not contemporaries of Jesus.The bible was written AT MINIMUM 50 years post-mortem. I would think that some of the details could have become fuzzy.You choose to believe it, that's fine. But don't criticize others who don't see it as clearly as you do.

 

[Bubba]

Okay, Bubba, I want you to prove to me that the moon is not made of green cheese.

this is an unprovable?

 

[tangfoot]

No it is quite factual that in most of these debates there are those that are attacked for having faith and those that take pot shots from an easy position of having nothing to believe in.

Yes, but "because the bible says so" is hardly a well-thought-out response to "why is it you believe in this?".

 

[MelvinTScupper]

The bible was written AT MINIMUM 50 years post-mortem. I would think that some of the details could have become fuzzy.

link?

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

I trust that the writers and translators of the Bible have gotten it right.

These people were not infallible, you know.They were also not there.They were also not contemporaries of Jesus.The bible was written AT MINIMUM 50 years post-mortem. I would think that some of the details could have become fuzzy.You choose to believe it, that's fine. But don't criticize others who don't see it as clearly as you do.

I have been critical of no one, I have merely attempted to defend what I believe. I agree, though, that the writers were not infallible. God is and I trust that he has used his influence to leave the basic truths unchanged.As for when these were written, consider societal norms of the time. Much of what is passed down is oral tradition and at some point someone sees the need to write it down. This time lapse tends to make me believe that there was a Q-gospel from which other writers refreshed their recollections of certain details. I am not a biblical scholar though, so if you want better answers I am probably not the guy.

 

[Spartans Rule]

You choose not to accept religion, fine. I choose to accept it, after about 15 years spent denying it and then coming to the conclusion that it HAD to be true.

Interesting take, since I went the opposite way. I spent about 10 years trying to force myself to believe that Christianty is the real deal, before coming to the conclusion that it HAD to be false.No intention to ridicule or demand any proof here. I'm just sort of curious what triggers a person to reach your conclusion.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Okay, Bubba, I want you to prove to me that the moon is not made of green cheese.

this is an unprovable?

No, Bubba, let me type slowly for you. I was getting to the point of how you would prove that it is not made of green cheese.

 

[tangfoot]

link?

"It's generally assumed to have been the first gospel written, coming in right before Matthew at about 65 AD."Straight Dope

 

[larry_boy_44]

are wolves and dogs different species? I say, no...do you say yes?

They are not the same species because they cannot be bred together.End of argument. Is an Oak Tree the same as a carrot? They both started as seeds.Is a human sperm the same as a reptile sperm? After all, they both look identical...

wolves and dogs can breed... I've seen half wolves, half dogs... they CAN breed...they might not do it, but they can do it...and no, human and reptile sperm are not the same due to DNA/genetic stuff in them... a reptile cannot get a human female pregnant and vice-versa...

 

[tangfoot]

wolves and dogs can breed... I've seen half wolves, half dogs... they CAN breed...they might not do it, but they can do it...

:honda:

 

[larry_boy_44]

Both sides need to stop asking for proof. Neither side can ever provide any so it's foolish to ask for some. Even if God came down today and said "Hi, I'm God, I created the Universe", that's still not proof (just very strong evidence). Everybody really needs to get off of this obsession with 'proof' because nobody seems to understand what the word means.

how do you post that pot/kettle both-being-black emoticon again? Seriously... }=O)

 

[Jericho]

are wolves and dogs different species? I say, no...do you say yes?

They are not the same species because they cannot be bred together.End of argument. Is an Oak Tree the same as a carrot? They both started as seeds.Is a human sperm the same as a reptile sperm? After all, they both look identical...

wolves and dogs can breed... I've seen half wolves, half dogs... they CAN breed...they might not do it, but they can do it...and no, human and reptile sperm are not the same due to DNA/genetic stuff in them... a reptile cannot get a human female pregnant and vice-versa...

Bull####. I've seen 'V'.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

You choose not to accept religion, fine. I choose to accept it, after about 15 years spent denying it and then coming to the conclusion that it HAD to be true.

Interesting take, since I went the opposite way. I spent about 10 years trying to force myself to believe that Christianty is the real deal, before coming to the conclusion that it HAD to be false.No intention to ridicule or demand any proof here. I'm just sort of curious what triggers a person to reach your conclusion.

In my case I was force fed religion for 18 years and got tired of it because I never saw any results. It felt like I was just being subjugated to some evil parental plan of how to bore me for an hour evey Sunday. My faith began to come back after having our first child and realizing the enormity of what that involved. Still I partied pretty hard and blew off faith again. When I was 28, my wife decided enough was enough and she was going to leave me. It was at that point that I blindly placed my faith in God. I felt at ease with the decision and eventuallystarted studying more about the bible and various systems of belief. Now I consider myself a non-denominational Christian with evangelical tendencies (by that I mean i have traveled to Russia a few times to spread the gospel and deliver aid). It is mainly the change in my character that makes me so sure of what I believe. I am no saint now, but boy was I a mess 10 years ago.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Link to definitive information that Jesus was not the Son of God please?

Right after you prove that there is a God.Ask the Jews for information on this subject. And Muslims. They all believe in the same creator. Yet none of them accept that Jesus is the son of God. In fact, Christians are on the way to becoming the minority in this belief.

Jews and Muslims don't believe in the same god or creator...

 

[Bubba]

Both sides need to stop asking for proof. Neither side can ever provide any so it's foolish to ask for some. Even if God came down today and said "Hi, I'm God, I created the Universe", that's still not proof (just very strong evidence). Everybody really needs to get off of this obsession with 'proof' because nobody seems to understand what the word means.

how do you post that pot/kettle both-being-black emoticon again? Seriously... }=O)

Jericho is a pot... Ever wonder why he chose such a biblical screen name?

 

[Jericho]

Both sides need to stop asking for proof. Neither side can ever provide any so it's foolish to ask for some. Even if God came down today and said "Hi, I'm God, I created the Universe", that's still not proof (just very strong evidence). Everybody really needs to get off of this obsession with 'proof' because nobody seems to understand what the word means.

how do you post that pot/kettle both-being-black emoticon again? Seriously... }=O)

There's no pot/kettle in there at all. I'm instructing BOTH sides to stop asking for proof, and I've never required proof myself. Please try reading more carefully.

 

[Jericho]

Ever wonder why he chose such a biblical screen name?

I did? I can think of three things that inspired my name and none of them are Biblical.

 

[Bubba]

Link to definitive information that Jesus was not the Son of God please?

Right after you prove that there is a God.Ask the Jews for information on this subject. And Muslims. They all believe in the same creator. Yet none of them accept that Jesus is the son of God. In fact, Christians are on the way to becoming the minority in this belief.

Jews and Muslims don't believe in the same god or creator...

they don't?do tell...

 

[Bubba]

Ever wonder why he chose such a biblical screen name?

I did? I can think of three things that inspired my name and none of them are Biblical.

Jericho

 

[tangfoot]

Jews and Muslims don't believe in the same god or creator...

Wow. Don't bother posting anymore.In fact, it might be time to retire Larry Boy and fire up that alias.

 

[tangfoot]

When I was 28, my wife decided enough was enough and she was going to leave me. It was at that point that I blindly placed my faith in God.

So it sounds to me like your wife is highly devout and you caved in to keep getting some.I can't think of a better reason to be religious than to use it to get some #####.

 

[The Football Freak]

Okay, Bubba, I want you to prove to me that the moon is not made of green cheese.

this is an unprovable?

No, Bubba, let me type slowly for you. I was getting to the point of how you would prove that it is not made of green cheese.

Technically, Bubba could study for years, apply, become an astronaut, and then go there and take a sample back to his ship and try and eat it. Now your turn..

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

When I was 28, my wife decided enough was enough and she was going to leave me. It was at that point that I blindly placed my faith in God.

So it sounds to me like your wife is highly devout and you caved in to keep getting some.I can't think of a better reason to be religious than to use it to get some #####.

Not at all. I knew that what I was doing was wrong and she could have cared less whether I "found" religion or not since she herself came from an atheistic background. But thanks for your cheery portrayal of my conversion, you are quite the wordsmith.

 

[Jericho]

Ever wonder why he chose such a biblical screen name?

I did? I can think of three things that inspired my name and none of them are Biblical.

Jericho

Huh.JerichoJerichoJericho

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Okay, Bubba, I want you to prove to me that the moon is not made of green cheese.

this is an unprovable?

No, Bubba, let me type slowly for you. I was getting to the point of how you would prove that it is not made of green cheese.

Technically, Bubba could study for years, apply, become an astronaut, and then go there and take a sample back to his ship and try and eat it. Now your turn..

I am not sure he could be admitted to astronaut school after the background check showed he had threatened to beat someone up over the internet board a few years ago. This is still the same Bubba from Old Yellow, right?

 

[Bubba]

Okay, Bubba, I want you to prove to me that the moon is not made of green cheese.

this is an unprovable?

No, Bubba, let me type slowly for you. I was getting to the point of how you would prove that it is not made of green cheese.

Technically, Bubba could study for years, apply, become an astronaut, and then go there and take a sample back to his ship and try and eat it. Now your turn..

I was thinking I'd just refer him to the materials already retrieved from the moon in past space travels...but I guess if I started training now...

 

[Bubba]

Okay, Bubba, I want you to prove to me that the moon is not made of green cheese.

this is an unprovable?

No, Bubba, let me type slowly for you. I was getting to the point of how you would prove that it is not made of green cheese.

Technically, Bubba could study for years, apply, become an astronaut, and then go there and take a sample back to his ship and try and eat it. Now your turn..

I am not sure he could be admitted to astronaut school after the background check showed he had threatened to beat someone up over the internet board a few years ago. This is still the same Bubba from Old Yellow, right?

I threatened someone?

 

[larry_boy_44]

Are you actually saying you need proof that the earth is older than 10,000 years?  Or that evolution isn't real so how can anything be a "blink of an eye" in terms of something that is false?  If you want proof of the age of the earth, go read some scince books.  Or better yet, take some scientific instruments out into the field and do some studies and tell me how many results back up the 10,000 year age.

See, I have a real problem with this.You cannot be 100% sure that all of this scientific dating is accurate. There is no documentation that proves the carbon dating system to be correct. It is impossible for anyone to ever know whether they are even close to be correct with their dating system. Therefore, the earth could very easily be 10,000 years old. All that you have to prove otherwise is a "theory" made by men that have no real proof that anything exists over a few thousand years old.

Wow, with an attitude like that, it's amazing you take gravity for granted. After all, it's just another theory based on observation and scientific rigor.And carbon dating isn't some made-up discipline. It's a pretty realiable measurement tool, by scientific standards.

Read up:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase...ear/cardat.html

no dating can be accurate past like 5 or 6 thousand years ago...Dating can only be done to the earliest piece of anythign that is dated by historical figures... AKA - they dated it or gave us some sort of timing with it...

dating, whatever the method, is completely useless if the thing is thought to be older than the oldest FOR SURE dated artifact...

This is because we don't know if the pattern held any further than where it was, we don't know if some disaster happened that changed the amount of carbon (or whatever else) is in the item or anything like that...

WE have no clue how something more than, at most, 10,000 years old is, it is 100% impossible to know...

 

[The Football Freak]

Okay, Bubba, I want you to prove to me that the moon is not made of green cheese.

this is an unprovable?

No, Bubba, let me type slowly for you. I was getting to the point of how you would prove that it is not made of green cheese.

Technically, Bubba could study for years, apply, become an astronaut, and then go there and take a sample back to his ship and try and eat it. Now your turn..

I was thinking I'd just refer him to the materials already retrieved from the moon in past space travels...but I guess if I started training now...

But how do you know those are from the moon? Maybe they are from Mr. Know it all's head....I'm sorry for that one. Completely uncalled for.

 

[ScottNorwood]

I'm thinking instead of a planet, we live on a lizard that never stopped growing.

 

[Bubba]

But how do you know those are from the moon?

faith, baby...faith

 

[Bubba]

I'm thinking instead of a planet, we live on a lizard that never stopped growing.

where does the lizard live?

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Okay, Bubba, I want you to prove to me that the moon is not made of green cheese.

this is an unprovable?

No, Bubba, let me type slowly for you. I was getting to the point of how you would prove that it is not made of green cheese.

Technically, Bubba could study for years, apply, become an astronaut, and then go there and take a sample back to his ship and try and eat it. Now your turn..

I am not sure he could be admitted to astronaut school after the background check showed he had threatened to beat someone up over the internet board a few years ago. This is still the same Bubba from Old Yellow, right?

I threatened someone?

Wasn't there a Bubba that got a timeout from Joe for some type of threat? Something to the effect of where do you live, I'll come get you....maybe it wasn't you....but I could have sworn someone named Bubba was involved.

 

[larry_boy_44]

are wolves and dogs different species? I say, no...do you say yes?

They are not the same species because they cannot be bred together.

Dogs and wolves are members of the same species, and can interbreed.

Here's a cool experiment. I bet that wolves and chihuahuas can't (or wouldn't) interbreed in the wild. So here's what you do: kill off every single breed of dog except chihuahuas, leave the wolves alone so that gene flow is impossible, and see where evolution takes 'em. If they can't interbreed, then presto! Instant, man made speciation in a large mammal. Pretty neat, huh?

speciation is when they lose the ABILITY to breed, not when they don't want to breed... HUGE difference there...

 

[The Football Freak]

Are you actually saying you need proof that the earth is older than 10,000 years?  Or that evolution isn't real so how can anything be a "blink of an eye" in terms of something that is false?  If you want proof of the age of the earth, go read some scince books.  Or better yet, take some scientific instruments out into the field and do some studies and tell me how many results back up the 10,000 year age.

See, I have a real problem with this.You cannot be 100% sure that all of this scientific dating is accurate. There is no documentation that proves the carbon dating system to be correct. It is impossible for anyone to ever know whether they are even close to be correct with their dating system. Therefore, the earth could very easily be 10,000 years old. All that you have to prove otherwise is a "theory" made by men that have no real proof that anything exists over a few thousand years old.

Wow, with an attitude like that, it's amazing you take gravity for granted. After all, it's just another theory based on observation and scientific rigor.And carbon dating isn't some made-up discipline. It's a pretty realiable measurement tool, by scientific standards.

Read up:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase...ear/cardat.html

no dating can be accurate past like 5 or 6 thousand years ago...Dating can only be done to the earliest piece of anythign that is dated by historical figures... AKA - they dated it or gave us some sort of timing with it...

dating, whatever the method, is completely useless if the thing is thought to be older than the oldest FOR SURE dated artifact...

This is because we don't know if the pattern held any further than where it was, we don't know if some disaster happened that changed the amount of carbon (or whatever else) is in the item or anything like that...

WE have no clue how something more than, at most, 10,000 years old is, it is 100% impossible to know...

Ice core samples that have layered for more than 10,000 years?

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

I'm thinking instead of a planet, we live on a lizard that never stopped growing.

where does the lizard live?

There's a big lizard in my backyard.

 

[Bubba]

Wasn't there a Bubba that got a timeout from Joe for some type of threat? Something to the effect of where do you live, I'll come get you....maybe it wasn't you....but I could have sworn someone named Bubba was involved.

nope, but i remember the incident. some dude posted his address, invited all takers to come get some.i think it was smoo, hence the name change.

 

[tangfoot]

Not at all. I knew that what I was doing was wrong and she could have cared less whether I "found" religion or not since she herself came from an atheistic background.

In that case, what does your discovery of religion have to do with you keeping your marriage together?Were there other, more immoral, more illegal, more unethical practices going on in your life?

 

[tommyboy]

The bible was written AT MINIMUM 50 years post-mortem. I would think that some of the details could have become fuzzy.

link?

he means the new testament.the gospels were written between 50 and 150yrs AD.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Not at all. I knew that what I was doing was wrong and she could have cared less whether I "found" religion or not since she herself came from an atheistic background.

In that case, what does your discovery of religion have to do with you keeping your marriage together?Were there other, more immoral, more illegal, more unethical practices going on in your life?

I literally changed (corny for all non-religious folks) into a new creature. I am still the same person, but a lot of my priorities changed when I chose to make God a major part of my life. Nothing illegal, certainly immoral, and probably unethical.I am definitely not a holy roller by any stretch by any strech, but I am quite proud to be associated with my Christian identity. Wierd thing is, a lot of my buddies noticed too but didn't have any idea that I'd "found religion".