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I don't own him in my fantasy league this is strictly form a fans perspective.

As a Dolphins fan I'm not sure how I feel after that game.

I'm hoping it was just rust that let him throw those interceptions that sealed the game for the Steelers. But I'm afraid he is reverting back to the Cpep of last year. Can anyone make me fee better?

 
I will try to assure you but I am not sure I have convinced myself of this. He played well for 3 quarters and pressed a bit in the 4th quarter and made a couple of big mistakes against one of the better defenses in the league. Be patient and look at the positive on how he while not lighting it up, took care of the ball and did OK for 3 quarters. Does that help?

 
Culpepper will be fine fantasy wise. However, Brown ran really hard at the goalline. I dont see CPep getting many rushing TD's like years past. He will hurt Miami by not being safe with the ball. Miami will not challenge the Pats for the division. I got Culpepper in the 9th round of a 12 team league. I think he will exceed fantasy expectations from that spot.

 
I'd be worried. HE really should have had three ints cause I think the one he threw in the endzone was actually a catch. The ball never hit the ground and dude's shoulder landed in the end zone. Can't understand why that play wasn't challenged. So, really, in addition to the 2 he threw later, he (almost) threw that one which would have negated Brown's rushing TD. Plus, I don't know if that was a blown route but that pass just looked awful.

 
Dont Worry -

First off let put this game in perspective

Your playing the superbowl champs at thier home, first game of the season, who have arguabley the best defense in the NFL.

Until the 4th quarter the Dophins were keeping the game close.

If you didnt watch the game and just looked at the final score, you would'nt get the full story of how the game really went down.

Did C-pep make mistakes in the 4th , yeah.

But for the most part the Dolphins were hangin with the Superbowl champs at home.

I think theres alot of positves to take away from the game for the Phins.

Culpepper has a good amount of targets and a running game to keep defenses legit.

 
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Be worried. MIA is not winning anything this year and the defense is going to start aging very soon.
:lmao: Just thought that was funny. If they do age real soon,I think that would bump Daunte's value up since the O would have to score more becasue of it's aging defense.
 
Dont Worry - First off let put this game in perspectiveYour playing the superbowl champs at home, first game of the season, who have arguabley the best defense in the NFL.Until the 4th quarter the Dophins were keeping the game close.If you didnt watch the game and just looked at the final score, you would'nt get the full story of how the game really went down.Did C-pep make mistakes in the 4th , yeah.But for the most part the Dolphins were hangin with the Superbowl champs at home.I think theres alot of positves to take away from the game for the Phins.Culpepper has a good amount of targets and a running game to keep defenses legit.
:thumbup: agreed,and I'm not a Phins fan. Considering where he came from in the past year I see him getting better as the season goes on. ANY team would have struggled last night in Pittsburgh in that situation. I'm going to hold off on calling Culpepper finished until we see him the rest of the way. Check his #'s after the next 3 weeks with the Bills,Titans and Texans on the schedule. Aside from a game at Chicago later in the year this week was Daunte's toughest opponent,fantasy wise. 262 yards and quite a few red-zone chances IN Pittsburgh on opening night give reason to think he'll have nice #'s when the smoke clears.
 
It's too early to make any conclusions especially against one of the best defenses in the league but the biggest knock on Culpepper besides his knee is his decision making and ability to make reads, last night wasn't too encouraging.

 
Told LoanSharks this last night: Thought he looked solid for three quarters, but the fourth quarter played like the last fifteen minutes of "Tin Cup".

I have him in zero leagues, so I have no stake. Would I be worried? Somewhat. But if the pattern of meltdowns continues, I'd be worried that he might become the next Aaron Brooks.

 
It's too early to make any conclusions especially against one of the best defenses in the league but the biggest knock on Culpepper besides his knee is his decision making and ability to make reads, last night wasn't too encouraging.
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He will put up nice fantasy numbers with his schedule, so I wouldn't worry about him in that sense, but that 4th quarter meltdown would scare me if I were a Fin fan.... :yes:

 
I'm more worried about the Dolphin's secondary, but that's not exactly a ringing endorsement of Culpepper. I'm going to wait a few more weeks to form an opinion on Culpepper.

 
One thing I remember from last nights haze was culpepper scrambling and polamalu taking him down right at the knees. That made me wince. On the bright side, it didn't phase culpepper so i guess his knee's allright.

 
At this point, I would worry more as a Fins fan than a Fantasy owner. He should put up good numbers but between the rust and his general propensity for INTs, he could definately hurt the Fins chances.

Then again, they wont play the PITT day every week, so you have to keep that in mind.

 
He was short-arming passes all night and looked terrible under pressure. Plus he can't run well because of the knee. I don't like the looks of this at all.

 
Here is why I would be worried about Culpepper: I noticed early on that something looked odd with his mechanics, but couldn't quite figure out what it was. As the game went on I became convinced that his knee is not 100% and I think it affected his throws. I noticed that more often than not he was throwing all arm and stepping into very few throws. The number of throws he made flat footed, even when he had time, was disturbing. Anybody with TiVo can go back and look at it. He simply seemed to have no power in his lower body. He badly missed a number of throws to wide open receivers and floated a few passes that he had no reason to. To be fair there was one throw towards the end of the game that he stepped into and zipped it over the middle....but that was the exception. I'm glad to see him back and playing, and perhaps it is just a matter of working out the rust. But with the severity of his knee injury and his mechanics last night, I would be very concerned if he was my #1QB.

 
Culpepper is usually The King of garbage time. I don`t know how many time Minny was down by 2 scores late and Peppy would take them 90 yards for a meaningless score. Racking up rushing and passing yards and a passing TD.

Last night I thought for sure Peppy would throw for at least 100 and a score those last 2 drives, he just does not seem the same.

 
Just curious. Ronnie Brown rushed for only 30 yds against Pitt and caught 3 passes for 32 yards but scored 2 short td's so we're not talking about how bad he looked. If Daunte had been,say,10 for 30 for 120 yards but scored 2 short td's would we be talking about how bad he looked?

 
I've been a Culpepper owner for 7 years in a dynasty league prior to this one so I've watched him quite a bit. I'll try to tailor my comments to the poster and keep it "football" and then say something about fantasy. The phins' are my AFC team.

First off, should you be concerned?

#1, there's the injury. I'm encouraged by what I've seen. He seems to be able to perform most functions in the pocket and not look too awkward like he has a big Robo leg. I think the biggest concern is he re-injures it someway. But he looks as natural as can be expected and has done a pretty good job of getting rid of the ball to protect himself (and the football). Is there a way's to go on this? Certainly. To me, his footwork seems a little off and has affected some of his passes. In the past, Culpepper was able to wing it off his back foot 60 yards downfield, ala, a Favre. I don't think he can do that anymore, or rather should do that anymore. He can still wing it 60 yards but he needs better footwork to make his passes better. That said, Culpepper hasn't always been the most fundamentally sound QB anyways. But overall, he threw the ball pretty well most plays and avoided an INT until the 4th quarter. I think we'll see improvement though in this area as Daunte gets more confidence and range of motion back in his leg. Did he make some bad throws? Sure. But I was encouraged enough by most things I saw to think he's not that far off and that with a little time he can be more than allright. The more time he gets under his belt and the better the leg feels the more he won't rush things and he'll be more conscious of his feet underneath him. Not only will he throw the ball better but the extra split second he gains in the development of pass patterns will help him tremendously. The bad passes he did throw last night oftentimes to me were timing issues. (For instance the dropped endzone pass)

As for the INT's. Well here's the shocker. For all Daunte's myriad accomplishments, he's never been a great 4th quarter come from behind QB. For whatever reason, I've heard he isn't the brightest of QB's, if Minnesota was down late in the game and things became desperate, he more than likely would make a bad throw or get hit and fumble. I think the key with Daunte is keeping games manageable. If you noticed the Porter INT, Porter lined up in a rush end position on the line, with his hand down, and then snuck back into coverage. I don't think Culpepper even saw him. This has been a persistent problem and I don't have an answer for it other than if you're the Phins you want the game won before very late in the 4th quarter. I guess it must be trouble with prevent and dime defenses. If there is encouragement here, it is that Saban is a great coach, Mularkey is solid, and maybe somehow the collective coaching staff can do some serious work on this area of his game and either improve Daunte's decision making and reads or find some sort of package that works for him in these situations. That said, sometime in the playoffs, it helps if you have a QB that can pull a Win for the team out of his bass. You think Elway, Montana, those types of guys. If there is something that separates Daunte from those guys its that. The numbers are there. He can make some amazing throws. He's a beast to bring down. He can elude pressure. But he's best as a front runner QB, or say, a game manager with great, great upside. Normally you don't see Culpepper making tons of mistakes until his team is down and the situation getting dire.

As for fantasy, Daunte should do allright although I'm a little worried that the Phins will play well enough that they'll be ahead in many games and we'll see the Ronnie Brown show. This would somewhat limit Culpepper's upside unlike in season's past in Minnesota. It also concerns me the Dolphins have not had a WR, TE, or back emerge as a bigtime redzone threat. Chambers got some looks but we need to see him convert. Booker is a tough possession guy so he might have some potential. McMichael has some serious talent. If I remember correctly, I saw a couple games last year where Miami didn't do well passing wise in the red zone and they certainly didn't do a good job last night. maybe going to a two TE set would help. To sum up fantasy for Daunte, if you have him, you have one very talented QB who should put up decent enough numbers but the negatives to me are lack of stupendous upside and injury risk. But, he played a very tough D last night and posted about 270 yards passing (and Miami will win more games than they lose so maybe the INT's can remain manageable).

As for last year guys? Daunte normally had a DT in his grill about every pass play. I think a guy who's done what he has deserves the benefit of the doubt. There's a reason Minnesota threw up a ridiculous FA contract to Steve Hutchinson, who plays guard, not tackle. That's how desperate they were.

 
Just curious. Ronnie Brown rushed for only 30 yds against Pitt and caught 3 passes for 32 yards but scored 2 short td's so we're not talking about how bad he looked. If Daunte had been,say,10 for 30 for 120 yards but scored 2 short td's would we be talking about how bad he looked?
including the 2 picks the threw? yes.
 
He felt rushed even when there was no pressure and he underthrew the bulk of his passes. He's obviously very uncomfortable in the pocket. His stat lines weren't awful, but watching him play wasn't pretty. If he missed he missed badly. It's not like these were dropped balls or going off fingertips. He looks just like he did in 2005 before the injury.

 
I'd be far more concerned with the Miami O-line. Granted they were facing the Steelers at home but they created zero running room and I lost count of how many times I saw a Steeler defender running unimpeded toward Daunte in the pocket.

Maybe #### LeBeau knows Mike Mularky's mind so well that he just out schemed him. But it looked to me like they were just being beaten at the point of attack.

I would agree with those who noticed something wrong with Daunte's throws. Less zip, more float.

 
I've been a Culpepper owner for 7 years in a dynasty league prior to this one so I've watched him quite a bit. I'll try to tailor my comments to the poster and keep it "football" and then say something about fantasy. The phins' are my AFC team.First off, should you be concerned?#1, there's the injury. I'm encouraged by what I've seen. He seems to be able to perform most functions in the pocket and not look too awkward like he has a big Robo leg. I think the biggest concern is he re-injures it someway. But he looks as natural as can be expected and has done a pretty good job of getting rid of the ball to protect himself (and the football). Is there a way's to go on this? Certainly. To me, his footwork seems a little off and has affected some of his passes. In the past, Culpepper was able to wing it off his back foot 60 yards downfield, ala, a Favre. I don't think he can do that anymore, or rather should do that anymore. He can still wing it 60 yards but he needs better footwork to make his passes better. That said, Culpepper hasn't always been the most fundamentally sound QB anyways. But overall, he threw the ball pretty well most plays and avoided an INT until the 4th quarter. I think we'll see improvement though in this area as Daunte gets more confidence and range of motion back in his leg. Did he make some bad throws? Sure. But I was encouraged enough by most things I saw to think he's not that far off and that with a little time he can be more than allright. The more time he gets under his belt and the better the leg feels the more he won't rush things and he'll be more conscious of his feet underneath him. Not only will he throw the ball better but the extra split second he gains in the development of pass patterns will help him tremendously. The bad passes he did throw last night oftentimes to me were timing issues. (For instance the dropped endzone pass)As for the INT's. Well here's the shocker. For all Daunte's myriad accomplishments, he's never been a great 4th quarter come from behind QB. For whatever reason, I've heard he isn't the brightest of QB's, if Minnesota was down late in the game and things became desperate, he more than likely would make a bad throw or get hit and fumble. I think the key with Daunte is keeping games manageable. If you noticed the Porter INT, Porter lined up in a rush end position on the line, with his hand down, and then snuck back into coverage. I don't think Culpepper even saw him. This has been a persistent problem and I don't have an answer for it other than if you're the Phins you want the game won before very late in the 4th quarter. I guess it must be trouble with prevent and dime defenses. If there is encouragement here, it is that Saban is a great coach, Mularkey is solid, and maybe somehow the collective coaching staff can do some serious work on this area of his game and either improve Daunte's decision making and reads or find some sort of package that works for him in these situations. That said, sometime in the playoffs, it helps if you have a QB that can pull a Win for the team out of his bass. You think Elway, Montana, those types of guys. If there is something that separates Daunte from those guys its that. The numbers are there. He can make some amazing throws. He's a beast to bring down. He can elude pressure. But he's best as a front runner QB, or say, a game manager with great, great upside. Normally you don't see Culpepper making tons of mistakes until his team is down and the situation getting dire.As for fantasy, Daunte should do allright although I'm a little worried that the Phins will play well enough that they'll be ahead in many games and we'll see the Ronnie Brown show. This would somewhat limit Culpepper's upside unlike in season's past in Minnesota. It also concerns me the Dolphins have not had a WR, TE, or back emerge as a bigtime redzone threat. Chambers got some looks but we need to see him convert. Booker is a tough possession guy so he might have some potential. McMichael has some serious talent. If I remember correctly, I saw a couple games last year where Miami didn't do well passing wise in the red zone and they certainly didn't do a good job last night. maybe going to a two TE set would help. To sum up fantasy for Daunte, if you have him, you have one very talented QB who should put up decent enough numbers but the negatives to me are lack of stupendous upside and injury risk. But, he played a very tough D last night and posted about 270 yards passing (and Miami will win more games than they lose so maybe the INT's can remain manageable).As for last year guys? Daunte normally had a DT in his grill about every pass play. I think a guy who's done what he has deserves the benefit of the doubt. There's a reason Minnesota threw up a ridiculous FA contract to Steve Hutchinson, who plays guard, not tackle. That's how desperate they were.
:goodposting: Im also a Culpepper dynasty owner since his rookie season, and I couldn't agree more. He didn't look right, but he looked solid enough for 3 quarters that considering all the factors (new team, new offense, Pitt D, opening night, etc) I am not to worried. I was most worried about all the passes that seemed to come out soft, short, and low. I'm hoping he was just a bit rusty. Next week will be a good update.
 
I don't own him in my fantasy league this is strictly form a fans perspective.As a Dolphins fan I'm not sure how I feel after that game. I'm hoping it was just rust that let him throw those interceptions that sealed the game for the Steelers. But I'm afraid he is reverting back to the Cpep of last year. Can anyone make me fee better?
If you are in a league that awards points for ints and fumbles, then you have nothing to worry about with Cpep.
 
I wouldn't worry yet. He was playing the defending champs last night. Plus even when was so-so in his 2nd and 3rd years as a starting QB, he was a top fantasy performer.

Heck I would go out a limb and say that there is no reason to worry about Culpepper as far as him being a fantasy player. Soon it might be time for Dolphins fans to worry, but that shouldn't effect him fantasy wise.

 
I'd be worried. HE really should have had three ints cause I think the one he threw in the endzone was actually a catch. The ball never hit the ground and dude's shoulder landed in the end zone. Can't understand why that play wasn't challenged. So, really, in addition to the 2 he threw later, he (almost) threw that one which would have negated Brown's rushing TD. Plus, I don't know if that was a blown route but that pass just looked awful.
He was bobbling the ball out of bounds
 
I don't own him in my fantasy league this is strictly form a fans perspective.As a Dolphins fan I'm not sure how I feel after that game. I'm hoping it was just rust that let him throw those interceptions that sealed the game for the Steelers. But I'm afraid he is reverting back to the Cpep of last year. Can anyone make me fee better?
He started out fine but faded down the stretch. Right before he began making mistakes I noticed his footwork changed, it got sloppy, early on he had his legs. It could be he still needs time to get up to speed. This was his first extended action of the year. Also lets not forget, Pittsburgh is pretty freak'n tough on D and his WRs/TE weren't getting lots of seperation and zero YAC. Also Ronnie Brown wasn't generating anything outside of the red zone. Daunte needs a better running game and I think he has to get his legs more sturdy. Additionally I believe he's still forming chemistry with his recievers. He had some heated words on one blown assignment and then I was kinda shocked Chambers wasn't able to shake Ike at all. I thought he was better than that. Add it all up and its not just Daunte. Sure he did look bad but I felt it was more a matter of fatigue and the Steelers being able to drop so many in coverage and not respecting the Phin running game but that is my humble-O.
 
It's his first game after MAJOR knee surgery. It's his first REAL game with a new team and system. It was on the road against the defending Super Bowl champs on national tv. Relax,there's a long way to go. With no running game he threw for 262 yds. For anyone concerned i give you: Buffalo(twice),Tennessee,Houston,The Jets(twice),Green Bay,KC,Detroit and a less than they were Patriot D (twice). Daunte owners,pull up a chair,chill out..... :banned:

 
Seemed that he was staring down his receivers, and like a few others said, his mechanics looked off. Correctable ? Certainly, with a coach like Saban. One thing that was pretty obvious -- Culpepper won't be the running threat he used to be, at least not for the first half of this year (if at all in 2006).

 
It's his first game after MAJOR knee surgery. It's his first REAL game with a new team and system. It was on the road against the defending Super Bowl champs on national tv. Relax,there's a long way to go. With no running game he threw for 262 yds. For anyone concerned i give you: Buffalo(twice),Tennessee,Houston,The Jets(twice),Green Bay,KC,Detroit and a less than they were Patriot D (twice). Daunte owners,pull up a chair,chill out..... :banned:
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I think Cpepp will be okay eventually. But I think he still looks a little ginger on his feet at times and some of his throws look a bit weak -- perhaps because he can't step into them like he used. I doubt he is 100% recovered yet. When he gets all the way back, later in the year presumably, the Dolphins may surprise some people if they can make the post-season, particularly as they are well coached.

 
You can gloss, but when you are obviously outperformed by Charlie Batch, I think there's a problem.

Take the Porter interception. IMHO a good QB that could read defenses would have noticed that Porter laid off the rush and dropped back into coverage. IT's obvious that Daunte didn't see it. When he was floundering last year a lot was made out of the fact that it was his first time without Randy Moss drawing half the coverage to one side. Quite a few people pointed out that it was likely the first time in his pro career that he saw normal, balanced coverage. Chambers, while good, is no Moss and will likely be against single coverage. I mean, Daunte did look good at times, and was finding Wes Welker more than I thought he would, but he also showed his propensity for costly mistakes, and I don't care what anyone says, he got REALLY LUCKY that the dying quail he threw into the end zone nowhere NEAR his reciever was not caught. If it had been (and it should have been) Miami would have been decimated. As it was, they converted on the ground and remained in the game. But just imagine how much moaning and groaning we would be hearing if it had been intercepted. A mistake that costly is incredibly hard for a team to overcome.

 
As a Minnesota Vikings fan, I've seen the the rollercoaster performances Culpepper has produced. I don't know if I'd be worried from a FF perspective, since he has a lot of weapons and was going against a solid defense last night. From a non-FF perspective, Dolphins fans should be worried. I'm not sure his performance can be attributed just to his knee. Culpepper was on a downhill slide after Moss left prior to his knee injury. The Vikings were quick to dump the injured Culpepper for an old, consistent QB (B. Johnson). It became obvious that despite his athletic ability, Culpepper didn't have all the necessary traits of a championship QB. I'm not Culpepper hater, since he had a good run with the Vikes, but now that I'm watching him on another team, I have a feeling of relief that he's gone.

Basically for FF - Culpepper can score with his weapons

For winning a Super Bowl (or even getting there) - he'll find a way to choke when it counts (he's notorious for fumbles and INTs at the worst possible times)

Here is his 2005 stats (7 Games) before the injury:

12 INTs

6 TDs

Project to 16 games:

27-28 INTs

13-14 TDs

 
All you have to do is look at the actual circumstances surrounding the game to know that you can't really judge him off of this one performance.

Opening night, national tv

Hasn't played in almost a year, after a major knee injury

New team

On the road in Heinz Field

VS defending SB champs

One of the top defensive teams in the league

Confusing zone blitz scheme

No running game

If he played all 16 under those conditions, I'd be worried. But he doesn't. Every QB is going to have bad games, especially with all those factors. It's the first game of the year. Relax.

 
I too have had Culpepper (Keep 2 keeper league) Since his first year as a starter for Minny. I think he just didn't look comfortable. He didnt want to get hit and was releasing throws earlier than the optimum time or than he needed to. Many check downs to the flat way to early in his progressions. If he gets some confidence back in that knee and in himself and hangs in a little longer (like he used to) He'll be ok but thats a big if at this point. The first int is a perfect example Chambers had blown by everyone but Culpepper threw before he got by Polamalu who was coming over to help (over the top) Had Daunte waited a half second longer or even lofted the ball deeper Chambers was gone i mean way gone. Im hoping he will soon become more comfortable with his knee and with the new team and offense he is guiding. Also like eveyone says it was the Steelers in Pittsburgh on national tv to open the season. I would think that other than maybe the game in Chicago or in NE (Belicheck finds ways to screw up every QB including Peyton) this should be the low point game of his season, and there are quite a few cupcakes on the Dolphin slate this year. :thumbup:

 

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