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SuperAwesomeDude
Footballguy
Choose your late season favorites...AL and NL.
Cy for AL:
Cliff Lee (Apologies to Halladay)
MVP:
Gotta be C Quentin
Cy for NL:
Brandon Webb (Apologies to Dempster)
MVP:
Braun (Apologies to Poohface)
SuperAwesomeDude
Footballguy
any chance k-rod wins the AL Cy Young?
MAC_32
Footballguy
Shouldn't be in the conversation but because of an arbitrary stat (saves) he is.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Cy for AL:
Cliff Lee
MVP:
Carlos Quentin
Cy for NL:
Brandon Webb
MVP:
Pujols
Cliff Lee
MVP:
Carlos Quentin
Cy for NL:
Brandon Webb
MVP:
Pujols
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
pantagrapher
Footballguy
AL CY: Cliff Lee
AL MVP: Carlos Quentin (wouldn't mind seeing either Hamilton or Kinsler win though)
NL CY: Brandon Webb (but it's a shame C.C. won't be rewarded for what he's doing in Milwaukee)
NL MVP: Hanley Ramirez
AL MVP: Carlos Quentin (wouldn't mind seeing either Hamilton or Kinsler win though)
NL CY: Brandon Webb (but it's a shame C.C. won't be rewarded for what he's doing in Milwaukee)
NL MVP: Hanley Ramirez
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
If the Brewers find a way to catch the Cubs and CC keeps this up, I honestly think he'll win it.It's happened before with Sutcliffe in 1984.ETA - Just looked at the dates. Looks like Sutcliffe was traded about 3 weeks earlier than CC was (June 13th to July 7th for CC) so Sutcliffe had some extra NL starts to his credit that year than CC will get this year.
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The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
AL Cy Young: Roy Halladay (similar stats to Lee while pitching essentially 3 more games than him.)
AL MVP: Carlos Quentin (imagine what his rbi totals would look like if he had Young and Kinsler hitting ahead of him)
NL Cy Young: CC Sabathia (best pitcher in the NL)
NL MVP: Chase Utley (superior offensive and defensive ability from a premium position)
AL MVP: Carlos Quentin (imagine what his rbi totals would look like if he had Young and Kinsler hitting ahead of him)
NL Cy Young: CC Sabathia (best pitcher in the NL)
NL MVP: Chase Utley (superior offensive and defensive ability from a premium position)
Jambi
Footballguy
SuperAwesomeDude
Footballguy
yeah i dont get this either. so his team would be god awful without him so he doesnt deserve MVP?Jambi said:
pollardsvision
Footballguy
who i'd pick if the season ended right now:
AL MVP: carlos quentin (they're pretty even in everything besides rbi, but quentin's had way, way fewer rbi chances)
NL MVP: ryan braun
AL cy young: cliff lee
NL cy young: tim lincecum
AL MVP: carlos quentin (they're pretty even in everything besides rbi, but quentin's had way, way fewer rbi chances)
NL MVP: ryan braun
AL cy young: cliff lee
NL cy young: tim lincecum
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Who cares if Texas has 61 wins (with Hamilton) or about 56 wins (without him). They still aren't going to the playoffs. No Quentin and the Sox are a few back of the Twins instead of in first. Lol at making a team not god awful as a more important criteria than making them a playoff team.yeah i dont get this either. so his team would be god awful without him so he doesnt deserve MVP?
blackjack23
Footballguy
Hamilton, Lee, Braun, Webb, Longoria, Soto
Capella
Footballguy
this is some seriously horrible logic.Who cares if Texas has 61 wins (with Hamilton) or about 56 wins (without him). They still aren't going to the playoffs. No Quentin and the Sox are a few back of the Twins instead of in first. Lol at making a team not god awful as a more important criteria than making them a playoff team.yeah i dont get this either. so his team would be god awful without him so he doesnt deserve MVP?
Jambi
Footballguy
The guy should lost his posting privileges.this is some seriously horrible logic.Who cares if Texas has 61 wins (with Hamilton) or about 56 wins (without him). They still aren't going to the playoffs. No Quentin and the Sox are a few back of the Twins instead of in first. Lol at making a team not god awful as a more important criteria than making them a playoff team.yeah i dont get this either. so his team would be god awful without him so he doesnt deserve MVP?
LILB811
Footballguy
When Webb has left the game, the Dbacks were ahead 18 times, behind 6 and tied once. When Lincecum has left the game, the Giants were ahead 19 times, behind 4 times and tied twice, and with a far worse offense. Lincecum's ERA is better and is dominating in K's. Why is Webb more deserving?
the moops
Footballguy
Kevin Youkilis should be getting some love, unfortunately he will be lucky to finish in the top 5.
He has a better BA, OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+, RC then either Quentin or Hamilton. He is also very likely to win his second straight gold glove at first base, all while playing very good defense at third filling in for Lowell.
He has a better BA, OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+, RC then either Quentin or Hamilton. He is also very likely to win his second straight gold glove at first base, all while playing very good defense at third filling in for Lowell.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Unless he has a crappy September, which is not likely, they might as well just give the NL MVP award to Albert Pujols now. Seriously, this shouldn't even be close.
And don't give me this "he shouldn't win it if the Cardinals miss the playoffs" crap, as Ryan Howard won it two years ago when the Phillies missed the playoffs, and it is not the Cardinals fault that they play in a tough division. Right now, they would be in first place in the other two NL divisions.
And don't give me this "he shouldn't win it if the Cardinals miss the playoffs" crap, as Ryan Howard won it two years ago when the Phillies missed the playoffs, and it is not the Cardinals fault that they play in a tough division. Right now, they would be in first place in the other two NL divisions.
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Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Love the Pujols.
Lincecum deserves the Cy Young. He probably won't get it, though. People are still too focused on wins.
BoulderBob
Footballguy
AL Cy: Lee
NL Cy: Webb
NL MVP: Pujols
AL MVP: Quentin (JM will take award if the Twins win the division/WhiteSox fail to qualify for playoffs, as absurd as this media logic is...)
NL Cy: Webb
NL MVP: Pujols
AL MVP: Quentin (JM will take award if the Twins win the division/WhiteSox fail to qualify for playoffs, as absurd as this media logic is...)
Domination
Footballguy
Carlos Quentin
2008 Chicago White Sox 124 457 93 132 23 1 36 99 265 62 78 6 3 .395 .580 .289
Josh Hamilton
2008 Texas Rangers 126 507 81 152 29 4 29 115 276 52 97 7 0 .365 .544 .300
This should be a very close race.
2008 Chicago White Sox 124 457 93 132 23 1 36 99 265 62 78 6 3 .395 .580 .289
Josh Hamilton
2008 Texas Rangers 126 507 81 152 29 4 29 115 276 52 97 7 0 .365 .544 .300
This should be a very close race.
Domination
Footballguy
AL CY- Dice K (Lee falters down the stretch)
AL MVP- Hamilton (Q close 2nd)
NL CY- Dempster (close with Webb)
NL MVP- D Wright (beats out Pujols)
AL MVP- Hamilton (Q close 2nd)
NL CY- Dempster (close with Webb)
NL MVP- D Wright (beats out Pujols)
Jambi
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
If Webb and Lince K collapse, maybe.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Seriously?
Pujols is hitting .065 points better than Wright. That alone should end the comparison, but when you take into account everything else, no way in hell should Wright come close to Pujols in the voting.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Yes.Holiday has more R's and SB'sPujols has more HR's, RBI's, a slightly higher avg + obpTheir XBH's are nearly identicalSolid cases can be made for both at this time.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Lee to 19-2 unless the Indians blow their 10-2 lead in the 7th inning.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
You're going to use him having more SBs as a reason why he should get the nod? Okay. Pujols is better than Holiday in the following offensive categories:Batting averageHRsRBIsOBPSluggingOPSWalks Has struck out almost half as much as Holliday asHolliday has more runs scored and SBs than Pujols. That's it. Oh, and he has two triples to Pujols's zero. Don't get me wrong, Holliday is having a great year, but Pujols is having a better year, and his team has been in contention pretty much all year (although tonight's loss was putrid), while the Rockies have been below .500 all season, and to win the MVP on a sub-.500 team, you have to destroy the competition, and Holliday simply has not come close to doing that, so he will get very little support when it comes to MVP votes.Right now, I would probably give Ryan Braun second place in the NL MVP voting.MAC_32 said:
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the moops
Footballguy
Youkilis is getting screwed by not even being mentioned in any of these debates.Quentin should be in the lead, and I suspect he is. If Hamilton didn't have the 115 RBI, and didn't hit every ball out of the park in teh HR derby, he wouldn't be getting this mush love. And he shouldn't be.
MAC_32
Footballguy
This means absolutely nothing to me, the rest are good points though.
Good thing you don't have a vote then. It's MVP. Not MOP. Also CC is clearly the best pitcher in the NL. He should easily win the cy.
TitusIII
Footballguy
Rumor on the street is that Carlos Quentin may be done for the season with a broken forearm, it's just a rumor at this point, but a dagger to his MVP chances, and probably the White Sox season as well...
You can't give it to Sabathia, or Harden who has been equally as dominant in the NL, 11 starts isn't going to cut it...
You can't give it to Sabathia, or Harden who has been equally as dominant in the NL, 11 starts isn't going to cut it...
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Pat Patriot
Footballguy
With Quentin on the shelf for at least 3 weeks, Pedroia has to be considered the favorite. He has been incredible. He is leading the league in BA, hits and Runs. He is a guy with no power and no speed yet has 17 HR'S and 17 SB's. He plays a dynamite 2B and has been critical during the Red Sox recent string of good play.
Vladislav Tretiak
Footballguy
If the Twins win the division, Justin Morneau will get some action as MVP of the AL.
I don't see Josh Hamilton as MVP.
Josh Hamilton had 95 RBIs at All-Star break. He now has 121
Justin Morneau had 68 RBIs at All-Star break. He now has 113
He's putting together a nice season:
G:141
AB:534
R:86
H:166
2B:40
3B:3
HR:22
RBI:113
OBP: .389
SLG: .521
AVG: .311
I don't see Josh Hamilton as MVP.
Josh Hamilton had 95 RBIs at All-Star break. He now has 121
Justin Morneau had 68 RBIs at All-Star break. He now has 113
He's putting together a nice season:
G:141
AB:534
R:86
H:166
2B:40
3B:3
HR:22
RBI:113
OBP: .389
SLG: .521
AVG: .311
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Lee
Morneau
Webb
Pujols
Morneau
Webb
Pujols
Gopher State
Footballguy
VeryVladislav Tretiak said:
IF the Twins win Morneau should be the MVP
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Fixed
B Maverick
Footballguy
better
Nigel Incubator-Jones
Footballguy
AL: Cliff Lee, Justin Morneau
NL: Tim Lincecum, Albert Pujols
NL: Tim Lincecum, Albert Pujols
Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
This is such a horrible suggestion. I don't even know where to start. Reward the guy for obviously dogging it in Cleveland? Sure he's been lights out (oops - except that one game vs Chicago) but to take away the merit of pitchers who have dominated the league for the entire year (Lincecum, Webb, Dempster, Santana) for his half-yer performance? That's just not right.
Tecumseh
Footballguy
Obviously dogging it?? After April 15th, he didn't give up more than 4 earned runs in a game. Here are his monthly ERA averages:April: 7.76May: 2.44June: 1.89He got shelled in April. After that he was solid.
the moops
Footballguy
If the Twins win it, Joe Mauer should be the MVP.Even if they don't win it, he should be. He is clearly the most valuable when position scarcity is looked at.Same reason Dustin Perdoia should be 2nd on everyone's ballot.VeryIF the Twins win Morneau should be the MVP
