Dan Haren to the Red Sox Rumor Mill (1 Viewer)

[tikigods]

It looks like Billy Beane has contacted the Red Sox about Dan Haren. Stay tuned.

 

[Bogart]

Would be the smart move. Let the Yanks overpay for the bigger name, and land a solid stud for less.

 

[Wrigley]

Would be the smart move. Let the Yanks overpay for the bigger name, and land a solid stud for less.

They are still going to have to pay for Haren.

 

[Alias]

Beane would have to come down a lot for there to be anything to this rumor, last I heard it was Buchholz + Ellsbury is what they were looking for.

 

[dparker713]

Beane would have to come down a lot for there to be anything to this rumor, last I heard it was Buchholz + Ellsbury is what they were looking for.

If Beane would take the basic deal that Boston offered last, Crisp + Lester + prospect(s), I think that might wind up being a better deal for the Sox. Though I think Santana is a better pitcher, he's also going to get a 6 year deal atleast at a high yearly salary. Meanwhile, Haren is younger and still a little bit away from a monster contract. Beckett, Haren, DiceK, Schill, Bucholz. Sox would once again be favored to win the WS.

 

[Balco]

Would be the smart move. Let the Yanks overpay for the bigger name, and land a solid stud for less.

It won't be much less, if at all. Haren is an unbelievable, young starting pitcher. It will be very tough to pry him from the Athletics.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Would be the smart move. Let the Yanks overpay for the bigger name, and land a solid stud for less.

It would be the stupid move if they do it BEFORE Santana is dealt. Beane and Cash are supposedly close, so I think this will keep the Sox bluff to bid up the pot honest here. If it goes down before the Santana deal, that is great for the Yanks landing him, as the field is thinned of their top competition(based on reports).

 

[Bogart]

Would be the smart move. Let the Yanks overpay for the bigger name, and land a solid stud for less.

It would be the stupid move if they do it BEFORE Santana is dealt. Beane and Cash are supposedly close, so I think this will keep the Sox bluff to bid up the pot honest here. If it goes down before the Santana deal, that is great for the Yanks landing him, as the field is thinned of their top competition(based on reports).

You gotta let the Yanks/Santana deal happen first.And I am by no means saying that Haren will be moved for cheap, but will be cheaper than Santana, and will be better value.

 

[topjimmy]

The key here is that Haren is under contract already as long as the A's exercise his option. Total for package I believe is 16 mill which is a far cry from santana money and for a pitcher is the same ballpark talent wise, albeit not as good as santana. He would come for less talent, there is no way that beane can be serious asking for elsbury and bucholtz, but I could see them sending lester, masterson (or Bowden) and Crisp

 

[tikigods]

Haren, who will make $4 million next season, $5.5 million in '09 and has a $6.75 million option in 2010, was 15-9 and allowed only 1.20 runners per inning while logging 222ª in '07. He would be the winter's biggest pitching prize not named Johan Santana, and industry sources have said teams such as the New York Mets, Arizona Diamondbacks and Los Angeles Dodgers may offer the most.

I wonder why the A's want to move him at this price? They must assume his has hit his ceiling of talent.

 

[Balco]

Haren, who will make $4 million next season, $5.5 million in '09 and has a $6.75 million option in 2010, was 15-9 and allowed only 1.20 runners per inning while logging 222ª in '07. He would be the winter's biggest pitching prize not named Johan Santana, and industry sources have said teams such as the New York Mets, Arizona Diamondbacks and Los Angeles Dodgers may offer the most.

I wonder why the A's want to move him at this price? They must assume his has hit his ceiling of talent.

If that is his ceiling of talent as a 27 year old, he is better than 95 % of the pitchers in the majors. With his salary, and his talent, he will not come much cheaper than Santana. I am amazed that people think he will be had for a bargain.He is an innings eater who had a 3.07 ERA last year and 190 strikeouts. DOn't laugh when you hear Bucholtz and Ellsbury's name mentioned.

 

[DropKick]

Haren, who will make $4 million next season, $5.5 million in '09 and has a $6.75 million option in 2010, was 15-9 and allowed only 1.20 runners per inning while logging 222ª in '07. He would be the winter's biggest pitching prize not named Johan Santana, and industry sources have said teams such as the New York Mets, Arizona Diamondbacks and Los Angeles Dodgers may offer the most.

I wonder why the A's want to move him at this price? They must assume his has hit his ceiling of talent.

If that is his ceiling of talent as a 27 year old, he is better than 95 % of the pitchers in the majors. With his salary, and his talent, he will not come much cheaper than Santana. I am amazed that people think he will be had for a bargain.He is an innings eater who had a 3.07 ERA last year and 190 strikeouts. DOn't laugh when you hear Bucholtz and Ellsbury's name mentioned.

No slight intended to Haren, but I just don't see Boston giving up both of those guys.

 

[Balco]

Haren, who will make $4 million next season, $5.5 million in '09 and has a $6.75 million option in 2010, was 15-9 and allowed only 1.20 runners per inning while logging 222ª in '07. He would be the winter's biggest pitching prize not named Johan Santana, and industry sources have said teams such as the New York Mets, Arizona Diamondbacks and Los Angeles Dodgers may offer the most.

I wonder why the A's want to move him at this price? They must assume his has hit his ceiling of talent.

If that is his ceiling of talent as a 27 year old, he is better than 95 % of the pitchers in the majors. With his salary, and his talent, he will not come much cheaper than Santana. I am amazed that people think he will be had for a bargain.He is an innings eater who had a 3.07 ERA last year and 190 strikeouts. DOn't laugh when you hear Bucholtz and Ellsbury's name mentioned.

No slight intended to Haren, but I just don't see Boston giving up both of those guys.

Don't get me wrong. not saying they will. Just don't think Haren can be had for as much a bargain as people seem to think.

 

[Max hardcore]

Haren, who will make $4 million next season, $5.5 million in '09 and has a $6.75 million option in 2010, was 15-9 and allowed only 1.20 runners per inning while logging 222ª in '07. He would be the winter's biggest pitching prize not named Johan Santana, and industry sources have said teams such as the New York Mets, Arizona Diamondbacks and Los Angeles Dodgers may offer the most.

I wonder why the A's want to move him at this price? They must assume his has hit his ceiling of talent.

The calculus here is this: Beane knows he cannot resign Haren once he's up for FA, even with Oakland's relatively bigger budget. So it's either trade him and get some value for him, or let him walk and get a sandwich pick (and continue to reap the benefits of having Haren for the next couple years), and obviously trading him with a couple cheap years left will net a larger return. Esp. in a year where pitching is so thin via free agency.That said, the price is going to be high. If Boston could've gotten him for leftovers like Crisp and Lester, it would've happened already. Buchholz will have to be included. Lowrie also. After that, I'm not sure. But several teams who are rich in prospects (LAD, Arizona) are also in the running, and have the side benefit of not being in the AL.

 

[MrPhoenix]

I still can't believe Jocketty traded Haren AND Barton AND Calero for the remnants of Mark Mulder's left arm.

 

[curta269]

I still can't believe Jocketty traded Haren AND Barton AND Calero for the remnants of Mark Mulder's left arm.

I know. Every time I hear Mulder's name mentioned, I think of Haren and the other 2. He did make a lot of good trades for the Cards, but this one was his worst.I wonder what the A's are asking for in return for Haren. Could the Cards swing a deal for him?

 

[Max hardcore]

I still can't believe Jocketty traded Haren AND Barton AND Calero for the remnants of Mark Mulder's left arm.

I know. Every time I hear Mulder's name mentioned, I think of Haren and the other 2. He did make a lot of good trades for the Cards, but this one was his worst.I wonder what the A's are asking for in return for Haren. Could the Cards swing a deal for him?

Who is the Cards' best pitching prospect?

 

[MrPhoenix]

I still can't believe Jocketty traded Haren AND Barton AND Calero for the remnants of Mark Mulder's left arm.

I know. Every time I hear Mulder's name mentioned, I think of Haren and the other 2. He did make a lot of good trades for the Cards, but this one was his worst.I wonder what the A's are asking for in return for Haren. Could the Cards swing a deal for him?

Who is the Cards' best pitching prospect?

Probably Jaime Garcia, although you could probably throw Chris Perez in as a possibility, even though he's a reliever.

 

[Max hardcore]

I still can't believe Jocketty traded Haren AND Barton AND Calero for the remnants of Mark Mulder's left arm.

I know. Every time I hear Mulder's name mentioned, I think of Haren and the other 2. He did make a lot of good trades for the Cards, but this one was his worst.I wonder what the A's are asking for in return for Haren. Could the Cards swing a deal for him?

Who is the Cards' best pitching prospect?

Probably Jaime Garcia, although you could probably throw Chris Perez in as a possibility, even though he's a reliever.

 

[tikigods]

I still can't believe Jocketty traded Haren AND Barton AND Calero for the remnants of Mark Mulder's left arm.

Daric Barton very well might be the AL ROY this upcoming year. The A's will move Dan Johnson this week to make room for him at 1B if they can find an affordable DH. Back to Haren, the Red Sox have reportedly been talking to the Brewers about Sheets and Hardy. The offer I read on a Milwaukee blog was Sheets/Hardy for Lugo and Lester. Nick Cafardo of the Globe said he "would do it in a heartbeat". I can't imagine the Brewers taking on Lugo's contract but I've seen stranger things happen in baseball.

 

[guru_007]

I really hope the Red Sox don't chase Haren.

One thing I found interesting...

Danny Haren:

Similar Pitchers through Age 26

Compare Stats

1. Oil Can Boyd (982)

 

[tikigods]

I really hope the Red Sox don't chase Haren. One thing I found interesting...Danny Haren:Similar Pitchers through Age 26Compare Stats 1. Oil Can Boyd (982)

Did you see this in Baseball Prospectus?

 

[Finless]

I really hope the Red Sox don't chase Haren. One thing I found interesting...Danny Haren:Similar Pitchers through Age 26Compare Stats 1. Oil Can Boyd (982)

Oil can was like Hollywood style when I was growing up. He was the man.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Beane would have to come down a lot for there to be anything to this rumor, last I heard it was Buchholz + Ellsbury is what they were looking for.

If Beane would take the basic deal that Boston offered last, Crisp + Lester + prospect(s), I think that might wind up being a better deal for the Sox. Though I think Santana is a better pitcher, he's also going to get a 6 year deal atleast at a high yearly salary. Meanwhile, Haren is younger and still a little bit away from a monster contract. Beckett, Haren, DiceK, Schill, Bucholz. Sox would once again be favored to win the WS.

concur