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Dante Hall traded to Rams (1 Viewer)
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Wow, Im glad, he always seemd to run one back or almost run one back on SD.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
No Ted Ginn to the Rams then
TheBradyBunch
Footballguy
There's been a lot of talk on Rams boards about them looking at Ted Ginn to both fill the return spot and to groom behind their old wr's. Good move by the Rams as they can now fix their defense!
Mike Herman
Footballguy
I believe KC was looking to move the older possibly-past-his-prime guy, and go the youth route.mozzy84 said:
Giving up a return man like hall for a 5th round pick. There must be some good drugs in KC
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Dante Hall was only average last year as a return guy.
He's almost like the Barry Sanders of returners. He'll have 3 or 4 where he actually loses yards and then get one for like 50.
He's almost like the Barry Sanders of returners. He'll have 3 or 4 where he actually loses yards and then get one for like 50.
Futeki
Footballguy
Hall contributes next to nothing as a receiver. His only value is as a returner. Herm wants more than that out of his guys.
Ever since that one season, he has been trying too hard. It isn't a "science". To the rest of the return crew it is, but the return man's job is an "art." He was trying to force it. Perhaps a change of scenery will do him some good.
Best of luck to Dante.
Ever since that one season, he has been trying too hard. It isn't a "science". To the rest of the return crew it is, but the return man's job is an "art." He was trying to force it. Perhaps a change of scenery will do him some good.
Best of luck to Dante.
The Jerminator
Footballguy
Yeah, but he's only 28. He's still got at least three good years, plus he's the ELITE player at his position (well maybe #2 behind Hester) and the Rams picked him up for a 5th?STEAL!
If STL can get Jenkins (as previously reported) then they have addressed their top two needs before the draft and they can try to take BPAs over "need guys." They also might entertain trade down scenarios to get some of these picks back...As a Rams fan I'm loving this move 
-OZ-
Footballguy
Maybe, but I'm thinking "Yamon Figurs" with that 5th the Chiefs got. In a year, you'll prefer Figurs to Hall. Write it down.
CalBear
Footballguy
Dante Hall had one lucky year as a returner. In 2006 he was not in the top 20 in either punt return or kick return average and scored just one TD on 80 returns. Among the players with a significant number of attempts who were better than Hall at returning both punts and kickoffs in 2006:Mewelde MooreSantonio HolmesPacman JonesTerrence WilkinsNate BurlesonBJ SamsDevin HesterWith the exception of BJ Sams, every one of those also contributed more than Hall on offense or defense.
Mike Herman
Footballguy
Hall may have slipped a notch or two, however he still ranked 5th in fantasy return points last year.
1. Devin Hester, CHI - The rookie brought significant attention to the importance of the returner role, for the first time since Dante Hall scored return touchdowns in four consecutive games in 2003. Hester set the NFL record for most return TDs in a season with six (three punt returns, two kickoff returns, and one missed field goal return). He ran away with (no pun intended) the top fantasy returner ranking, despite not becoming the Bears' primary kickoff returner until the last third of the season.
2. Chris Carr, OAK - He placed second due to shear quantity and despite not scoring any TDs. He logged every punt return this year for the Raiders, and all but four of the kickoff returns. Oakland's' generous defense provided Carr with 69 kickoff returns, the most for any player in the league.
3. Pacman Jones, TEN - His three punt return TDs, second most punt return yards in the NFL, along with handling a quarter of the Titans' kickoff returns, all added up the a third place finish. In his second year, Jones proved to be the playmaker the team had hoped he would be.
4. Eddie Drummond, DET - He played in 14 games (which is pretty good given his injury track record), and like Chris Carr, ranked near the top despite not scoring any TDs. His combined punt and kickoff return yardage total was second in the NFL.
5. Dante Hall, KC - Devin Hester is off to a great start, but he'll need to sustain that success to become one of the all-time great returners… like Dante Hall. The 5th place finish means Hall has now been a top five fantasy returner for five years in a row. He scored on a punt return for his 11th career return touchdown. He is third all-time behind Brian Mitchell (13) and Eric Metcalf (12).
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1. Devin Hester, CHI - The rookie brought significant attention to the importance of the returner role, for the first time since Dante Hall scored return touchdowns in four consecutive games in 2003. Hester set the NFL record for most return TDs in a season with six (three punt returns, two kickoff returns, and one missed field goal return). He ran away with (no pun intended) the top fantasy returner ranking, despite not becoming the Bears' primary kickoff returner until the last third of the season.
2. Chris Carr, OAK - He placed second due to shear quantity and despite not scoring any TDs. He logged every punt return this year for the Raiders, and all but four of the kickoff returns. Oakland's' generous defense provided Carr with 69 kickoff returns, the most for any player in the league.
3. Pacman Jones, TEN - His three punt return TDs, second most punt return yards in the NFL, along with handling a quarter of the Titans' kickoff returns, all added up the a third place finish. In his second year, Jones proved to be the playmaker the team had hoped he would be.
4. Eddie Drummond, DET - He played in 14 games (which is pretty good given his injury track record), and like Chris Carr, ranked near the top despite not scoring any TDs. His combined punt and kickoff return yardage total was second in the NFL.
5. Dante Hall, KC - Devin Hester is off to a great start, but he'll need to sustain that success to become one of the all-time great returners… like Dante Hall. The 5th place finish means Hall has now been a top five fantasy returner for five years in a row. He scored on a punt return for his 11th career return touchdown. He is third all-time behind Brian Mitchell (13) and Eric Metcalf (12).
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Reaper
Footballguy
STEAL
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah. For a 5th, not a bad move at all, but if Rams fans are expecting Dante Hall from a few years ago, well.......He hasn't been scary in a while.
enfuego
Footballguy
Early rumors had the Titans checking the price on Hall. I suggest they found out that a round 5 pick was too high and decided to pass...especially for a KR/PR specialist that some say is on the downside of his career. The other factor is Hall's salary = $1.5m in 2007, $1.9m in 2008...Yeah, but he's only 28. He's still got at least three good years, plus he's the ELITE player at his position (well maybe #2 behind Hester) and the Rams picked him up for a 5th?STEAL!If STL can get Jenkins (as previously reported) then they have addressed their top two needs before the draft and they can try to take BPAs over "need guys." They also might entertain trade down scenarios to get some of these picks back...As a Rams fan I'm loving this move
Kiddnets
Footballguy
STEAL
Leon Washington for Herm replaced by Mangini? Who drove the getaway car???
CalBear
Footballguy
But that was due to his number of attempts, not because he did particularly well. Only six players had 70 or more combined kick and punt returns; Hall had 80.
Sounds like a karma thing.Herm wanted a 5th rounder before the draft started. He couldn't get one for Trent Green (Miami does not have one) so he traded away a real asset for the pick. Good thing for him the Rams went for the deal, Herm may have given away Larry Johnson next to get that all important 5th rounder.
Routilla
Footballguy
It does look like KC was wanting to acquire extra picks for some reason. I wonder if they have something else planned. Hall is just a KR as his value at WR would only show up if he was not covered on a play. At 1.5M that is a bit costly for a KR and it goes up in '08. Now if he was still the threat that he was a few years ago I don't think KC would have made the trade. He WAS a difference maker. But the last few years he has dropped off. I like the move for STL, getting Hall on the carpet will improve their field position I think.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
not sure if this precludes taking ginn... since he could be in plans as WR (some scouts think he is second best at position after calvin johnson... if so, he is a steal at 1.13)... & hall turns 30 next season (though mitchell played into his 30s, i think... #1 in NFL career return TDs)...
i like move for rams... they have improved in all three phases of game in off-season...
with STL, SF & ARI all looking improved & SEA still strong, NFC west looks like an ascendant division...
i like move for rams... they have improved in all three phases of game in off-season...
with STL, SF & ARI all looking improved & SEA still strong, NFC west looks like an ascendant division...
Mike Herman
Footballguy
You are correct, sir. From a fantasy perspective, in many scoring formats quantity is more important than quality. Of course the Chiefs and Rams probably weren't particularly concerned with any fantasy implications.
Mike Herman
Footballguy
If it is someone already on their roster, WR Jeff Webb is the likely candidate. He filled in on kickoff returns last year when Hall was injured.
No doubt but few NFL players are as exciting with the ball in their hands. Vermeil used to try and find ways to get him involved and I always wished he had. He's one of my fave players to watch
Mike Herman
Footballguy
"We have to get younger, and the only way you can do that is through the draft. You're going to have to give up something to get something."
- Herm Edwards
"We feel that it's always important to have at least seven draft picks. Hopefully, we'll be able to acquire another one or two in the days to come."
- Chiefs president Carl Peterson
- Herm Edwards
"We feel that it's always important to have at least seven draft picks. Hopefully, we'll be able to acquire another one or two in the days to come."
- Chiefs president Carl Peterson
Boone22
Footballguy
From KFFL...
Chiefs | D. Hall trade update
Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:19:11 -0700
Updating a previous item, Adam Teicher, of the Kansas City Star, reports the Kansas City Chiefs and St. Louis Rams have swapped third-round picks in this year's NFL Draft as part of the trade which sent WR Dante' Hall to the Rams Wednesday, April 25.
Chiefs | D. Hall trade update
Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:19:11 -0700
Updating a previous item, Adam Teicher, of the Kansas City Star, reports the Kansas City Chiefs and St. Louis Rams have swapped third-round picks in this year's NFL Draft as part of the trade which sent WR Dante' Hall to the Rams Wednesday, April 25.
Aaronstory
Footballguy
For all those bashing Herm - time management issues aside, what exactly did Vermeil do that Herm hasn't? They both got the Chiefs into the playoffs and lost.
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
HULLOBUDMAN
Footballguy
Whether the PK/KR is doing bad or good, I think they get too much credit/too little blame. Dante was good and made some of those plays himself but the special teams that year definitely didn't hurt him. Same with last year, I don't think Hall was THAT MUCH WORSE but the special teams probably didn't preform as well either.
zadok
Footballguy
So....it's the Rams 5th AND a swap of 3rds?
Mike Herman
Footballguy
Yes, both. In the 3rd the Chiefs move up to 82nd overall, the Rams down to 84th.
HULLOBUDMAN
Footballguy
Is that a typo? 82 and 84? Rams pick 13 and Chiefs 23rd I thought.
Edited to add 82/84 is correct.
Edited to add 82/84 is correct.
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Didn't KC make the playoff this past year after not the year before?KC falling apart under Herm.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
These are probably the same people that said Manning/Harrison would be Dungified.
I live in KC and it was less of a secret that he was gone than Trent Green will be. He did next to nothing last season and is not a favorite of the current coaching staff. Whether he's lost something or teams just got better at covering him he really had little to no value to the Chiefs last year.
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
Been awol this afternoon and lookie what happens
I LOVE THE MOVE!
Hall has declined...I would say steadily, but it really was pretty fast. he is too small to be used as a WR. His cap # was over 1 MIL I believe, and then throw in that he was going to be 29 this season.
I like it...we are stockpiling picks.....now trade Green and Wesley and get even more.
I LOVE THE MOVE!
Hall has declined...I would say steadily, but it really was pretty fast. he is too small to be used as a WR. His cap # was over 1 MIL I believe, and then throw in that he was going to be 29 this season.
I like it...we are stockpiling picks.....now trade Green and Wesley and get even more.
hutchins929
Footballguy
This doesn't make a lot of sense to me at least from the KC side of it. St. Louis made out great!!! They have been horrid on Special Teams and Hall can break one on any return! Not only that but he will single handedly give the Rams a better starting field position on vertually every possetion. Yet, all they gave up is a fifth round pick? That is a no brainer for the Rams, IMHO. KC looses a great weapon. Yeah, he wasn't great on offense but he set up the offense to have a shorter field.
They're nuts (Chiefs)
Good Move Rams
They're nuts (Chiefs)
Good Move Rams
hutchins929
Footballguy
So you saying that Barry Sanders wouldn't have been worth a 5th rounder?
I don't think you will be posting anything for a while, after embarrassing yourself like that.Edit: to say that I get your point where Barry would have some negative plays and then have a great run. However to say that Barry was Average is crazy!!!
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