Mack DAddy
Footballguy
Man this guy has been money all year, but the weather conditions in NE are looking nasty this weekend. Considering Schaub at Oakland in his place. Anyone else have the same dilemma?
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Dare sit Kurt Warner this week? (1 Viewer)
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I am considering it as well (I have Cutler at home vs Buffalo). I have a better option than you do and I am finding it tough to do. Warner is clearly one of the major reasons that either of us is sitting where we are and it is never easy to just bench that do to weather.
coyote5
Footballguy
I just pulled the game logs for his road games this season, hoping to see evidence of crappy games, but really none to be found in the last 4 or 5 games. It doesn't look like any of those games were in horrible weather though.
I'm praying for a blizzard in NE on Sunday as I'm playing against Fitz and Warner in my SB. I'm also hoping that AJ gets shut down by the oakland stud corner (no idea how to spell his name) as I'm also playing against him.
The answer to your ? is tough though. unless the weather is supposed to be awful, I probably dance with Warner. Too many weapons. Belicheck can't scheme to stop them all. Not a chance.
Yes, that's my attempt at a reverse jinx.
I'm praying for a blizzard in NE on Sunday as I'm playing against Fitz and Warner in my SB. I'm also hoping that AJ gets shut down by the oakland stud corner (no idea how to spell his name) as I'm also playing against him.
The answer to your ? is tough though. unless the weather is supposed to be awful, I probably dance with Warner. Too many weapons. Belicheck can't scheme to stop them all. Not a chance.
Yes, that's my attempt at a reverse jinx.
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omally
Footballguy
They should be motivated to play better. They haven't looked that great lately, and no team wants to head into the playoffs not playing well. I can see some of the starters not playing the entire game in week 17, but week 16 I think they play the entire game and to win.As for the weather, it's only Tuesday and the weather outlook can change by Sunday. Right now it's calling for snow showers which isn't that bad.
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ThaPenguin
Footballguy
I have Warner and Rivers and don't have the slightest idea of who to start.
I have the exact same problem - Warner or Schaub.
I watched every snap Warner took this past weekend against the Vikes - their offense looked horrible - this against a Viking's D that supposedly was crappy against the pass.
I wish I hadn't watched - but I did - he looked putrid.
So, Kurt heads into New England to face the best defensive mind in the NFL - but at least he has a good running game... not.
I agree it's tough to sit the guy who got you this far... but if they both were free agents in my league I think I would opt to pick up Schaub.
I watched every snap Warner took this past weekend against the Vikes - their offense looked horrible - this against a Viking's D that supposedly was crappy against the pass.
I wish I hadn't watched - but I did - he looked putrid.
So, Kurt heads into New England to face the best defensive mind in the NFL - but at least he has a good running game... not.
I agree it's tough to sit the guy who got you this far... but if they both were free agents in my league I think I would opt to pick up Schaub.
omally
Footballguy
The Patriots D is banged up. Oakland put up 27 points against them last weekend.
I hear you on this point all the way, cause I watched the game myself. However, even as putrid as he looked he STILL put up respectable fantasy numbers and I have a tough time imagining another team who is going to be able to get the sort of luck (Punt Return for TD, followed by a Int leading to a TD, followed by a Fumble, etc...) and getting a huge lead on the Cards to the point where they can just pin their ears back and rush Warner as the Vikes did. The Vikes had everything working for them that game and half way into the first quarter there was absolutely NO thread of a Cardinal running game. That surely will not happen again, but having watched that game brings the thoughts to mind. The thing is, putrid for Warner is 250/1/1 which will rarely kill a Fantasy team.
gman74
Footballguy
Agreed the weather could be a concern but not NE's D they are pathetic.
7 of the 27 were from a kickoff runback - but point well taken.The game was in Oakland though, and Cassel did throw for 4 scores against them (Schaub's oppenent this week).My mind isn't made up...
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Let me say this may be the best point of them all. No matter how you slice it going from Arizona to New England is a LONG trip. Tough to say what I am going to do but I am definitely leaning toward Cutler at the moment.
But on the other side Warner had to throw....throw.....throw....throw....they were down 28-0. I know the Cards throw a lot but they needed to throw even more, it was insane. The Vikes pass D is not as bad as it was last year, not even close, so Warner should still be solid play, it is a tough decision.
Mr. Pink
Footballguy
Well, in this case both teams are traveling from the West Coast as AZ was home and NE was in Oakland. Granted, NE is home already and AZ has yet to travel, but you see what I'm saying.The weather doesn't look especially bad, just a little cold with a chance of snow showers. The Pats play on field turf, so those conditions shouldn't be impacted too badly.
An earlier poster spoke to the NE D being banged up....that is correct. Not to mention, I believe the only D to give up more passing TDs than NE is Arizona, ironically enough. Unless the weather is poor, this could be a shootout. Both teams have something to play for. NE is fighting for their playoff lives and AZ is still playing for playoff position (albeit not a bye) and to shake off the previous game.
Good luck with your choices.
skillz
Footballguy
If the weather is decent I am going with him. But if the weather is bad then I may have to go with Hill v St Louis. I got burned last year when I started Brady in nasty NE weather in my playoff game last year (and kept Warner v NO on the bench) so I won't make the same mistake this time around. Warner has played decent in recent weeks but hasn't put up any huge games either.
I have the same dilemma in a TD only league as I'm going for the title. As of right now, I'm leaning towards Schaub. But it's not an easy call in the least. Fortunately I can wait til kickoff time to make this decision.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Guess I have to pray for good weather because my other option is Thigpen.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
The weaknesses of NE's secondary are well documented this year, but you have to ask yourself why you would pass up a chance to have your QB against the Oakland Raiders to put in a QB who has documented problems travelling to the east coast, playing in bad weather, and going against Bill Belichick, particularly when NE is battling for a playoff spot and is top 5 in rushing. If you are the underdog and need a homerun, start Warner and cross your fingers. If you are even or the favorite in your matchup, start Schaub.
thatguythere
Footballguy
In the 4 games Warner has played on the east coast he has averaged 320 yds and 2.25 TD's. Yes, the weather may be a concern...but what more are people looking for? I don't care if the Cardinals win or lose, if Warner can put up those numbers you have to be good with that. I don't get the "Warner doesn't play good on the east coast" thing as far as fantasy goes...
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Deuce'sWild
Footballguy
Considering Orlovsky over Warner
joeski
Footballguy
That's Insane...are you a Lions fan?I can go Peyton or Kurt and I'm leaning towards going with the man that got me to the SB Warner.
thatguythere
Footballguy
There's no way he could be a Lions fan and be considering this. Here's a link to the weather for NE if anyone wants to check it out.............Cardinals @ Patriots
Doesn't look that bad......50% chance of snow and high 20's
Stealthycat
Footballguy
when will ya'll learn ..... DO NOT SIT GREAT PLAYERS or PLAYERS ON A ROLL
don't overthink - AZ will run maybe 15-20 times at the most, meaning 40-45+ pass plays
I'm starting Warner in one Super Bowl (my other choice is Romo)
don't overthink - AZ will run maybe 15-20 times at the most, meaning 40-45+ pass plays
I'm starting Warner in one Super Bowl (my other choice is Romo)
Another Warner / Schaub owner and I am considering Schaub but Warner did bring us to the Superbowl.
Warner Concerns:
The possibility of the Cardinal Coaching staff resting Warner in the 2nd half.
Bad weather.
Cross Country Trip
Warner Positives:
NE D is horrible especially since Russell threw on them last week.
Hes freakin awesome.
Schaub Concerns:
Raiders cant stop the run, which could result in Slaton getting all the TDs.
Asjhjy!%%)(& will cover Andre (Not that concerned)
Schaub Positives:
Texans have something to play for, more than ARZ.
Schaub is hot right now.
In the end, I dont think the point difference between the two is something Warner/Schaub owners to stress about. Unless there is a Blizzard at Foxboro, IMO, Start Warner. If news comes out that AZ may bench Warner in 2nd Half, then cant run the risk, Start Schaub.
Warner Concerns:
The possibility of the Cardinal Coaching staff resting Warner in the 2nd half.
Bad weather.
Cross Country Trip
Warner Positives:
NE D is horrible especially since Russell threw on them last week.
Hes freakin awesome.
Schaub Concerns:
Raiders cant stop the run, which could result in Slaton getting all the TDs.
Asjhjy!%%)(& will cover Andre (Not that concerned)
Schaub Positives:
Texans have something to play for, more than ARZ.
Schaub is hot right now.
In the end, I dont think the point difference between the two is something Warner/Schaub owners to stress about. Unless there is a Blizzard at Foxboro, IMO, Start Warner. If news comes out that AZ may bench Warner in 2nd Half, then cant run the risk, Start Schaub.
kingmalaki
Footballguy
I have to choose between him and Cutler. I hope the weather is good because I would rather go with him.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
I have the exact same situation. Right now I have Schaub in there. My opponent has Andre Johnson and we get bonuses for long TD passes. It's also 6 pts. all TDs and no points off for INTs. The weather is a concern for me, but the fact that Arizona doesn't have a lot to gain by this game has me more concerned. Warner has been a stud all year, but they seem to be in a funk as of late. I don't know; a championship is on the line. Maybe the weather forecast will change too.
taz
Footballguy
That's why I have a hard time believing Whisenhunt would consider resting Warner, esp. with another game to play. They need to get things right and build momentum going into the playoffs, and going all-out against the Patriots, on the road, would give them a good indication of where they're at.At least I hope so; I've ridden Warner all season, and would hate to have to go to Delhomme or Thigpen (or even pick up Orlovsky) at this point.
zamboni
Footballguy
It's been discussed in other threads (and maybe here), but don't overlook Warner attempting to chase Marino's record. It's a longshot at best (as with Brees), but I wouldn't be surprised to see Kurt air it out to see if he can get within striking distance heading into week 17.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
so there are predictions of bad weather on Sunday made on Tuesday?
I doubt the weathermen know what its gonna do in NE tomorrow let alone 4 days from now.
Start Warner unless game day indications are that its a blizzard
I doubt the weathermen know what its gonna do in NE tomorrow let alone 4 days from now.
Start Warner unless game day indications are that its a blizzard
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm struggling with the same thing. Do you stick with the guys that got you there, or do you possibly out-think yourself by trying to play matchups?
Do I go with Warner or Delhomme? Do I go with D-Will or S-Jax?
I think I'd rather go with my stud guys and risk them putting up a bad game rather than over-think things and lose because of it. Although, I'll be keeping my eye on the weather. If it gets TOO bad, then I'll probably make the switch.
Do I go with Warner or Delhomme? Do I go with D-Will or S-Jax?
I think I'd rather go with my stud guys and risk them putting up a bad game rather than over-think things and lose because of it. Although, I'll be keeping my eye on the weather. If it gets TOO bad, then I'll probably make the switch.
I think that decision is easy. Start Warner over Delhomme. Even if Warner doesn't have a great game, he will still perform above average and his upside is much greater than Delhomme. Delhomme's upside is just above average.Start D-Will over S-Jax. Gotta ride D-Will if you have him.GroveDiesel said:
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Yeah, that's the way I have them now and the way I'll probably keep it. My opponent's 2nd best player is Steve Smith though, so the thought of mitigating a potential big game from Smith is clouding my judgement some. I always tell people just to play their best players and let it play out, but it's hard to take my own advice when it's all on the line!
Ridgelake
Footballguy
I have the same delimma (and also throw in Cassel). Right now, I'm leaning towards Cutler, but thats because of the weather. I think its supposed to be yucky in NE. I will say that I've very concerned with Az travelling to the East Coast. They have not done well in those situations this year.kingmalaki said:
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Same hereYankee23Fan said:
Deuce'sWild
Footballguy
70% chance of snow and tempatures may dip into the teens.
For a team that plays in Arizona, this will be a rude awakening. I don't see the Cardinals doing anything.
Orlovsky plays vs a weak NO seconday indoors and will have to throw all game.
Makes it a tough decision for me.
For a team that plays in Arizona, this will be a rude awakening. I don't see the Cardinals doing anything.
Orlovsky plays vs a weak NO seconday indoors and will have to throw all game.
Makes it a tough decision for me.
Johnny Rock
Footballguy
For what it's worth, my opponent in the Championship Game said he's likely going with Rodgers over Warner due to his concern that ARI will rest him.
Muahahaha
Footballguy
I drafted Warner in all four leagues I am in. Started him basically every game. Probably not going to start him this game and am considering either Orlovsky or Schaub.
This just has major-league red lights going for it. Arizona looks like they have quit. Can't put my finger on it, but I don't like them in this game at all. On-the-road, east coast game, much less to play for than New England, cold weather, possible snow, etc. New England is just not a team I am comfortable shorting in the month of December. I don't like my championship hopes riding on Warner in this situation. Belicheck just scares me too much.
I live in New Jersey and my driveway was basically an ice patch this morning. Supposed to get more on Friday and Sunday. Even if it doesn't snow, the field conditions are not going to be great. Arizona is a finesse team used to playing in artificial climates; they are going to be punched in the face. We all know this.
This just has major-league red lights going for it. Arizona looks like they have quit. Can't put my finger on it, but I don't like them in this game at all. On-the-road, east coast game, much less to play for than New England, cold weather, possible snow, etc. New England is just not a team I am comfortable shorting in the month of December. I don't like my championship hopes riding on Warner in this situation. Belicheck just scares me too much.
I live in New Jersey and my driveway was basically an ice patch this morning. Supposed to get more on Friday and Sunday. Even if it doesn't snow, the field conditions are not going to be great. Arizona is a finesse team used to playing in artificial climates; they are going to be punched in the face. We all know this.
simey
Footballguy
They aren't going to rest Warner this weekend. The cardinals know they aren't playing well right now, and they have to do better. Here are a few quotes from their website:
Spike
Footballguy
The main reason I disagree with this post is we're not talking about Arizona winning, we're talking about Warner putting up some solid (or better) fantasy points.
Deuce'sWild
Footballguy
All this talk about Warner (not to hijack), but are Boldin and/or Fitz that good of plays? Boldin hasn't done jack in the past 3 weeks...and only had 1 pt last week. I was lucky to pull off a W after that.
Muahahaha
Footballguy
Well, there does tend to be a pretty high correlation between wins and fantasy points. 'Zona is a 7.5 dog.In my league, Warner has averaged 17.5 fps/game this season. Here are the last five games:Week 11: 16Week 12: 15Week 13: 15Week 14: 13Week 15: 12Not a real inspiring trend, huh?Somebody mentioned him throwing 40+ times this w/e. Well, in those last five games he has averaged more than 40 attempts.I don't generally like to start guys who are on a cold streak with the hope that they rebound.
I own Warner and Peyton. I should be fine playing either one this week. I'm going to play Manning and hope for the best. I own Boldin/Breaston and am actually facing Warner/Fitz in another game. I'll take my chances. Warner can play in cold conditions, I just believe Manning will have the better game.
If you are still playing in week 16, trust yourself. You have made good decisions so far.
If you are still playing in week 16, trust yourself. You have made good decisions so far.
drfeelgood
Footballguy
No it isn't. They are one of the worse D's against the pass.
Deuce'sWild
Footballguy
226 payd/against (19th in the league)
zamboni
Footballguy
And they recently were lit up by Seneca Wallace and Jamarcus Russell (albeit the latter in garbage time) - they're not good.But as someone noted above, leave it to Belicheck to put a clampdown when the stakes are highest.
Need to clear up some misconceptions
Warner is Money - Not exactly true. I have Warner on my team and he has had a very good season (avg 15 pts/game) but over the last 5 weeks he has been very average at best scoring 13, 11, 13, 11, and 11.
Vikings Suck vs Pass - Vikings are have allowed the 26th lowest FF points vs. QBs 10.4 per game (pass td = 4, 30 pass yds = 1, 10 rush yds =1, rush td =6)
New England D is Good - They are awful especially against the pass allowing 4th most pts. to FF QBS 13.7 per game. (Russel 14.1, Wallace 21.8, Pennington 27.7, Osullivan 12.6 on 3 tds)
Warner is Money - Not exactly true. I have Warner on my team and he has had a very good season (avg 15 pts/game) but over the last 5 weeks he has been very average at best scoring 13, 11, 13, 11, and 11.
Vikings Suck vs Pass - Vikings are have allowed the 26th lowest FF points vs. QBs 10.4 per game (pass td = 4, 30 pass yds = 1, 10 rush yds =1, rush td =6)
New England D is Good - They are awful especially against the pass allowing 4th most pts. to FF QBS 13.7 per game. (Russel 14.1, Wallace 21.8, Pennington 27.7, Osullivan 12.6 on 3 tds)
