Darren McFadden and Michael Bush (1 Viewer)

[Raiderfan32904]

Looks like a classic RBBC, update:

http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010...d-on-lead-back/

 

[hacim13]

You know. I don't think I've owned a single Raider in the past 3 or 4 seasons.

I still think they could both play roles as an RB3. Lately, I've thought of Oakland backs as matchup fill ins. It always seemed like someone was hurt, meaning one of the other backs would get all of the carries. Having said all that, I think I'll shying away from the Oakland backfield again this year.

Thanks for the link!

 

[Stealthycat]

RBBC until McFadden injures his fragile body again and then ya'll would have wished you'd drafted Bush

 

[Max Power]

McFadden will get the hype, but Bush will be the man.

Both should be an RB #3 at best, but Campbell will make this a respectable offense. DMC is the guy to have in a PPR, but Bush is the man in standard/.0.5 PPR league.

 

[Tanner9919]

Raiders are going to be the surprise team of 2010...Bush will be a huge part of that offense..

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

I feel pretty confident that Bush ends the year as a top 20 RB. I am buying in every league I can.

 

[frogpond11]

DMC's history of injuries sure lends itself to making Michael Bush a good start at some point during the season. And though an injury isn't a given, Bush represents pretty good value at his ADP I think. DMC goes down or gets outplayed and put in more of the "reggie bush" role..then you've got a pretty good flex player in Michael Bush..especially on good rushing matchups. Plus, Oakland drafted a stud linebacker..that defense is going to be better than it has been..especially at stopping the run.

 

[redBourne]

Am I wrong to remember that the Raiders, in their infinite wisdom, were attempting to convert Bush to a FB just 2 years ago? I have timid expectations that by the end of the year, we'll be looking at 60/40 dispursement of carries between the two, with Bush winning out. Davis will be pushing for DMC to get more touches.

 

[massraider]

Am I wrong to remember that the Raiders, in their infinite wisdom, were attempting to convert Bush to a FB just 2 years ago?

Yes, you are.

 

[No. 16]

Am I wrong to remember that the Raiders, in their infinite wisdom, were attempting to convert Bush to a FB just 2 years ago? I have timid expectations that by the end of the year, we'll be looking at 60/40 dispursement of carries between the two, with Bush winning out. Davis will be pushing for DMC to get more touches.

The Raiders were stacked at RB and lost both of their FBs to injury that year. It was a move made out of necessity.

 

[Rushmore]

McFadden will get the hype, but Bush will be the man. Both should be an RB #3 at best, but Campbell will make this a respectable offense. DMC is the guy to have in a PPR, but Bush is the man in standard/.0.5 PPR league.

Sounds to me like Bush is the one who gets the hype this year.

 

[cr8f]

Raiders are going to be the surprise team of 2010...Bush will be a huge part of that offense..

I think this could very well be true. If the defense sucks again they could run Bush a lot to keep the defense off the field.

 

[cr8f]

McFadden will get the hype, but Bush will be the man.

Both should be an RB #3 at best, but Campbell will make this a respectable offense. DMC is the guy to have in a PPR, but Bush is the man in standard/.0.5 PPR league.

Sounds to me like Bush is the one who gets the hype this year.

I'm surprised by all the fellow M.Bush fans in here, so maybe he will get all the hype this year in here but I'll bet DMC is ranked higher in the default Yahoo, CBS, etc. rankings and in the magazines and such. The majority of your fellow drafters will be taking DMC before M.Bush.

Ray Rice was picked in the 8th round last year(redraft) and Bush could this year too.

 

[travdogg]

Count me in what's apparently the minority, but I'd rather have McFadden. I think his receving skills will make him the more productive fantasy option.

 

[cr8f]

Am I wrong to remember that the Raiders, in their infinite wisdom, were attempting to convert Bush to a FB just 2 years ago? I have timid expectations that by the end of the year, we'll be looking at 60/40 dispursement of carries between the two, with Bush winning out. Davis will be pushing for DMC to get more touches.

The Raiders were stacked at RB and lost both of their FBs to injury that year. It was a move made out of necessity.

They couldn't find an experienced FA FB deciding instead to make Bush play a new position? Blocking FB's aren't that hard to find.

 

[Birdie048]

McFadden is going about #136 in several leagues I checked... (sorry, don't know his ADP)

M Bush is going about #184 in those same leagues.

Value is based on performance vs cost. I like the value M Bush offers and see him as the better overall workhorse RB. He is now fully recovered from his leg injury (broken leg IIRC). He has the physical talent to do the task.... will he be given the opportunity?

I like M Bush. I own him in every league I am in (2 dynasty & 1 multi-player keeper).

 

[cr8f]

Count me in what's apparently the minority, but I'd rather have McFadden. I think his receving skills will make him the more productive fantasy option.

MFL ADP has McFadden going at RB31 and Bush going at RB35 so it appears MFL has caught up with us Bush lovers here. At that McFadden may be a better play.

 

[massraider]

Am I wrong to remember that the Raiders, in their infinite wisdom, were attempting to convert Bush to a FB just 2 years ago? I have timid expectations that by the end of the year, we'll be looking at 60/40 dispursement of carries between the two, with Bush winning out. Davis will be pushing for DMC to get more touches.

The Raiders were stacked at RB and lost both of their FBs to injury that year. It was a move made out of necessity.

They couldn't find an experienced FA FB deciding instead to make Bush play a new position? Blocking FB's aren't that hard to find.

You are right, and they did find one. The FB thing lasted about 3 weeks, and was more talk than action. And the only reason anyone remembers is because Bush was vocal about not wanting to do it. But if people want to believe that the Raiders tried to convert him, that's fine.

 

[Todem]

Classic RBBC. I like both of them. Bush is the steak, Mcfadden is the sizzle. In ppr McFadden will probably be more valuable. But both are capable of huge seasons if given the chance.

Mcfaddens problem has been health. 2 straight years of injury. But when he is right...he is a demon. Yes he is not the most natural RB...but man is he a gifted athlete.

 

[cr8f]

Am I wrong to remember that the Raiders, in their infinite wisdom, were attempting to convert Bush to a FB just 2 years ago? I have timid expectations that by the end of the year, we'll be looking at 60/40 dispursement of carries between the two, with Bush winning out. Davis will be pushing for DMC to get more touches.

The Raiders were stacked at RB and lost both of their FBs to injury that year. It was a move made out of necessity.

They couldn't find an experienced FA FB deciding instead to make Bush play a new position? Blocking FB's aren't that hard to find.

You are right, and they did find one. The FB thing lasted about 3 weeks, and was more talk than action. And the only reason anyone remembers is because Bush was vocal about not wanting to do it. But if people want to believe that the Raiders tried to convert him, that's fine.

I thought it lasted most of the season but I don't check Raiders news that often.

 

[Callas Disregard]

Sounds weird as I say it, but this is the most exciting situation to watch for me. Al Davis sure seems to be a heavy anchor but this team beat a couple good teams last year and I think Jason Campbell has just been hosed by situation more than limited by talent. Fargas has put up some decent numbers in this offense so I think if a guy like Bush can get a fair amount of carries (with a suddenly decent passing attack) that he could be dangerous. If he can somehow push DMC out of the picutre, or at least into the Reggie Bush role he is more suited to, then he's got a chance to be that guy who breaks into the top 10 that no one anticipated. It seems every year a guy drafted after the top 32 cracks (or nearly cracks) the top 10. I know every guy drafted that late is unlikely, but the least unlikely guy this year has to be Michael Bush. It'll probably end up being a high profile RB's backup, but it's impossible to predict early season injuries.

I've noticed a strange narrative developing on these boards that Jason Campbell is going to turn the Raiders around. To which I respond, "Huh?" Campbell is a decent QB, but he's not someone who elevates the value of his surrounding cast. More likely, the Raiders hold him down as much as the Redskins did.

 

[LawFitz]

Sounds weird as I say it, but this is the most exciting situation to watch for me. Al Davis sure seems to be a heavy anchor but this team beat a couple good teams last year and I think Jason Campbell has just been hosed by situation more than limited by talent. Fargas has put up some decent numbers in this offense so I think if a guy like Bush can get a fair amount of carries (with a suddenly decent passing attack) that he could be dangerous. If he can somehow push DMC out of the picutre, or at least into the Reggie Bush role he is more suited to, then he's got a chance to be that guy who breaks into the top 10 that no one anticipated. It seems every year a guy drafted after the top 32 cracks (or nearly cracks) the top 10. I know every guy drafted that late is unlikely, but the least unlikely guy this year has to be Michael Bush. It'll probably end up being a high profile RB's backup, but it's impossible to predict early season injuries.

I've noticed a strange narrative developing on these boards that Jason Campbell is going to turn the Raiders around. To which I respond, "Huh?" Campbell is a decent QB, but he's not someone who elevates the value of his surrounding cast. More likely, the Raiders hold him down as much as the Redskins did.

Right, but if he can do what he did on the Redskins last year, that was WAY better than JaBustus.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

What no has talked about is that the Raiders finally have an offensive coordinator. Tom Cable couldn't call a game to save his life. Now we have Hue Jackson as the new OC, who came over from Baltimore and was responsible for that team's offensive emergence. Hue Jackson brings some grit and is a very vocal leader. The OTA's are the most colorful in years and he is getting the offense and defense into skirmishes. He is going to bring some nasty attitutde to the team. Already DHB is progressing well, and while it's too early to evaluate this team, it looks light years ahead of Cable's "remedial education of how not to commit penalties, no contact" camps that he had early last year. Hue Jackson = huge action.

 

[Mister CIA]

I think McFadden/Bush split will be a 60/40 (or 40/60) this year, the actual result wholly dependant on McFadden's performance. In other words, McFadden ought to still have a long leash to try to make things happen.

 

[Kowskull]

What no has talked about is that the Raiders finally have an offensive coordinator. Tom Cable couldn't call a game to save his life. Now we have Hue Jackson as the new OC, who came over from Baltimore and was responsible for that team's offensive emergence. Hue Jackson brings some grit and is a very vocal leader. The OTA's are the most colorful in years and he is getting the offense and defense into skirmishes. He is going to bring some nasty attitutde to the team. Already DHB is progressing well, and while it's too early to evaluate this team, it looks light years ahead of Cable's "remedial education of how not to commit penalties, no contact" camps that he had early last year. Hue Jackson = huge action.

Agree 100%

 

[mrip541]

You will regret drafting either of these guys, as usual.

 

[Pickle Rody]

You will regret drafting either of these guys, as usual.

Well certainly, if you draft either as your RB1, maybe even if drafted as your RB2. But if you pick either one up as a RB3 you will not regret it. Personally, I like Bush to emerge as the main RB in Oakland (I might select him as my RB2 this year) but I can see where some might still feel it's going to be McFadden as the main RB in Oakland. Either way, it certainly appears as though they will be RBBC.

 

[BigTex]

McFadden will get the hype, but Bush will be the man.

Both should be an RB #3 at best, but Campbell will make this a respectable offense. DMC is the guy to have in a PPR, but Bush is the man in standard/.0.5 PPR league.

Sounds to me like Bush is the one who gets the hype this year.

I'm surprised by all the fellow M.Bush fans in here, so maybe he will get all the hype this year in here but I'll bet DMC is ranked higher in the default Yahoo, CBS, etc. rankings and in the magazines and such. The majority of your fellow drafters will be taking DMC before M.Bush.

I don't get it either. Bush hasn't shown anything at all at the NFL level (yes I know he's been injured but he still hasn't shown anything), no more than McFadden so I'm not sure why everyone is so confident in Bush.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Raiders are going to be the surprise team of 2010...Bush will be a huge part of that offense..

I think this could very well be true. If the defense sucks again they could run Bush a lot to keep the defense off the field.

This one puzzled me. How is that you can run a lot with a crappy defense? Usually you end up having to throw a lot if you are playing from behind. In any case, I think the Raider D will improve from last year. I think for those of you in IDP, watch out for converted DT Texas Lamarr Houston, who is going to maul QB's at the DE position. Rolando MaClain will help solidify the interior D playing off of Richard Seymour. So, I agree with you that Bush gets hammered in there a lot, but because of a good defense, not in spite of it.

 

[todisco1]

McFadden will get the hype, but Bush will be the man.

Both should be an RB #3 at best, but Campbell will make this a respectable offense. DMC is the guy to have in a PPR, but Bush is the man in standard/.0.5 PPR league.

Sounds to me like Bush is the one who gets the hype this year.

I'm surprised by all the fellow M.Bush fans in here, so maybe he will get all the hype this year in here but I'll bet DMC is ranked higher in the default Yahoo, CBS, etc. rankings and in the magazines and such. The majority of your fellow drafters will be taking DMC before M.Bush.

:( I don't get it either. Bush hasn't shown anything at all at the NFL level (yes I know he's been injured but he still hasn't shown anything), no more than McFadden so I'm not sure why everyone is so confident in Bush.

I disagree that bush "hasn't shown anything at all at the NFL level". If that were the case he would be a dismal failure, but last season he outplayed mcfadden and had a nice ypc.

 

[foxco]

Yeah, Bush was a bit inconsistent last year but looked great at times - as a between the tackles runner he outplayed McFadden, and he's had some big games as a pro -- "showed nothing" is simply an incorrect statement.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

You will regret drafting either of these guys, as usual.

this.I expect some improved production with better QB play, but these dudes are waiver wire fodder in typical re-draft leagues

 

[humpback]

What no has talked about is that the Raiders finally have an offensive coordinator. Tom Cable couldn't call a game to save his life. Now we have Hue Jackson as the new OC, who came over from Baltimore and was responsible for that team's offensive emergence. Hue Jackson brings some grit and is a very vocal leader. The OTA's are the most colorful in years and he is getting the offense and defense into skirmishes. He is going to bring some nasty attitutde to the team. Already DHB is progressing well, and while it's too early to evaluate this team, it looks light years ahead of Cable's "remedial education of how not to commit penalties, no contact" camps that he had early last year. Hue Jackson = huge action.

Yeah, it was mainly him, but also mainly Cam Cameron. (Flight of the Conchords reference in case anyone thinks I'm r3t@rd3d for using mainly twice).

Cameron, Rice, Flacco, etc.- there were plenty of people more important to the Ravens offensive emergence than their QB coach. Don't get me wrong, he has to be an upgrade for Oakland, but it's not like he's some guru. He'll help, but he alone isn't going to transform them into an offensive powerhouse overnight.As for Bush, a 4.6 career YPC (on an admittedly smallish sample) is certainly showing something, especially considering the situation he was in. He's certainly shown more than McFadden at this point.

 

[massraider]

Cameron, Rice, Flacco, etc.- there were plenty of people more important to the Ravens offensive emergence than their QB coach. Don't get me wrong, he has to be an upgrade for Oakland, but it's not like he's some guru. He'll help, but he alone isn't going to transform them into an offensive powerhouse overnight.

Man, people know a lot more about the Raven QB coach than I do.

 

[socrates]

I think both backs have some talent, and should not be overlooked. They both represent value at their draft position. Figuring out who will get the lion's share of the carries is pure guesswork at this point, however.

McFadden demonstrated break-away speed in college, but he has yet to show he can be a consistent break-away threat in the NFL. He often runs tentative and lacks the leg drive to move a pile (or even break many tackles). I am still hopeful that McFadden can make the adjustment to the NFL and be more than just a Reggie Bush-like change-of-pace back.

Michael Bush, of the two, seems more capable of carrying the load. Remember, he was also an elite back in college. Unlike DMac, Bush can be a punishing inside runner. While not flashy, Bush has good acceleration and cut-back skills, and he is underrated as a receiver.

 

[sholditch]

Cable's most recent comments represent a huge lack of confidence in both backs IMO. He wanted a feature back but after looking at them in OTAs realizes that he just doesn't have one in either of them. They will cancel out each other's potential by virtue that neither of them have a complete skillset.

 

[MAC_32]

Maybe this year they really will be the poor man's version of Reggie/Pierre I expected last year now that replacement level Fargas is gone. I don't know if Bush can be a feature back in the league, but I am confident DMC can't. He can make plays, but he needs the ball in space and can't be trusted to get the ball too many times/game without hurting himself.

 

[Thomsen]

I was pretty high on Bush until Cable's statement. I think he has shown plenty of flashes when given the opportunity, but he hasn't had a consistent run of starts yet. The Raiders run O can produce, as we saw with Fargas to some extent. But this statement scares me, because I really thought Cable wanted Bush to be the guy, and this tells me he has seen some things in training he doesn't like.

 

[renesauz]

You will regret drafting either of these guys, as usual.

this.I expect some improved production with better QB play, but these dudes are waiver wire fodder in typical re-draft leagues

Over-state much? I'm not sold on either being a viable every week play, but CLEARLY they are not "waiver wire fodder" in any but the smallest of leagues.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Cable's most recent comments represent a huge lack of confidence in both backs IMO. He wanted a feature back but after looking at them in OTAs realizes that he just doesn't have one in either of them. They will cancel out each other's potential by virtue that neither of them have a complete skillset.

What are you talking about? It's June. What is he supposed to say, "Darren McFadden might as well not work hard and practice this offseason because I plan to put him on the sidelines and only give him a couple carries a game"?

 

[Stealthycat]

at this point I think its safe to bet on McFadden getting injured in 2-4 games, thus M Bush is the RB to have for OAK

 

[LawFitz]

at this point I think its safe to bet on McFadden getting injured in 2-4 games, thus M Bush is the RB to have for OAK

This is fair to say given history. But what if DMC actually stays healthy and you sit on Bush for weeks waiting for DMC to go down? I hate playing that game.Anyone who thinks that DMC won't limit Bush's stats signifcantly is fooling themselves. He is far more explosive and most importantly, Al Davis loves him.That said, if the defense improves as much as it has the potential to with the additions of McClain, Houston and Henderson and if the passing game can be just respectable, there are enough rushing stats to make both players very relevant if this becomes a 50/50 RBBC. No way would I take either of these two as starting RB this season, but I wouldn't mind stashing either late as an RB 4 or 5 just to see what the Raiders do with all that talent.

 

[Stealthycat]

But what if DMC actually stays healthy and you sit on Bush for weeks waiting for DMC to go down? I hate playing that game.

In anything but redraft leagues, you hold a 2nd RB that's likely to get the goal line carries, like you hold any other RB primed to become the #1. And he's a FA next year? that's also a very good thing

Anyone who thinks that DMC won't limit Bush's stats signifcantly is fooling themselves. He is far more explosive and most importantly, Al Davis loves him.

again, that might be, and if it is? I still think McFadden isn't the goal line back, and M Bush is still a 125-150 touch or more RB and in big leagues that's valuable.

No way would I take either of these two as starting RB this season, but I wouldn't mind stashing either late as an RB 4 or 5 just to see what the Raiders do with all that talent.

exactly - its just I think Bush has the potential to be a 300+ touch guy + the goal line back AND I think people misunderstand how well M Bush can catch and run.

 

[Todem]

I have always liked Bush's skill set coming out of college. I watched him a ton at Louisville....but watching him last year I got the sense that he take too long to get going...and in the NFL...speed kills. Bush seems to have a lack of acceleration. I think he can be a good part of a RBBC which is exactly what Oakland has. He can move a pile and has great hands.

They will give every chance to McFadden to break out this year. This is it for both of these backs to be even more to the point. Either one will emerge this season or Oakland will be looking to cut loose (via trade or out right release) at least one of them next off-season. I don't know the contract situations so maybe someone here can post that and draw some kind of conclusion if either were not so great this year and who would make the most ecomonic sense to let go of.

 

[Birdie048]

I drafted M Bush in 16 team dynasty start up at 11.02 (pick # 162) as the #34 RB off the board. Slaton, Choice, Hightower were still available.

He is my RB3 in a Start 1 RB league. He is worth the value to me of getting 150-170 touches this year as RB3 ==> that is 10-12 touches a game. In a RBBC, that is very possible. If he gets the GL carries and a few rec in this PPR league, he is well worth the value.

All RB's at that point have questions. Some questions get better clarity as OTA's & Mini-Camp get underway, some won't be answered until training camp is fully underway.

M Bush is a very talented RB. He suffered a serious leg injury out of college (Louisville). IMO, he was a potential Heisman until that injury. His situation is far from ideal, but if you believe talent wins out, place your bet on M Bush in this race.

 

[kremenull]

What no has talked about is that the Raiders finally have an offensive coordinator. Tom Cable couldn't call a game to save his life. Now we have Hue Jackson as the new OC, who came over from Baltimore and was responsible for that team's offensive emergence. Hue Jackson brings some grit and is a very vocal leader. The OTA's are the most colorful in years and he is getting the offense and defense into skirmishes. He is going to bring some nasty attitutde to the team. Already DHB is progressing well, and while it's too early to evaluate this team, it looks light years ahead of Cable's "remedial education of how not to commit penalties, no contact" camps that he had early last year. Hue Jackson = huge action.

Yeah, it was mainly him, but also mainly Cam Cameron. (Flight of the Conchords reference in case anyone thinks I'm r3t@rd3d for using mainly twice).

Cameron, Rice, Flacco, etc.- there were plenty of people more important to the Ravens offensive emergence than their QB coach. Don't get me wrong, he has to be an upgrade for Oakland, but it's not like he's some guru. He'll help, but he alone isn't going to transform them into an offensive powerhouse overnight.As for Bush, a 4.6 career YPC (on an admittedly smallish sample) is certainly showing something, especially considering the situation he was in. He's certainly shown more than McFadden at this point.

Yeah, being amongst the next wave of emerging talents who are in line for an NFL head coaching position sure sounds like an insignificant piece to the team's success.Meet Hue Jackson, a star on the rise, soon-to-be NFL Head Coach, and the man primarly responsible for Flacco's quick development.....in case u didn't know.

Raiders will be dramatically improved on offense (and defense) and will be in the championship hunt in 2010.

Grape is ny favorite Kool-Aid.......

 

[sholditch]

I have always liked Bush's skill set coming out of college. I watched him a ton at Rutgers....but watching him last year I got the sense that he take too long to get going...and in the NFL...speed kills. Bush seems to have a lack of acceleration. I think he can be a good part of a RBBC which is exactly what Oakland has. He can move a pile and has great hands.

They will give every chance to McFadden to break out this year. This is it for both of these backs to be even more to the point. Either one will emerge this season or Oakland will be looking to cut loose (via trade or out right release) at least one of them next off-season. I don't know the contract situations so maybe someone here can post that and draw some kind of conclusion if either were not so great this year and who would make the most ecomonic sense to let go of.

Yeah, sounds like you know his college career very well.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

What no has talked about is that the Raiders finally have an offensive coordinator. Tom Cable couldn't call a game to save his life. Now we have Hue Jackson as the new OC, who came over from Baltimore and was responsible for that team's offensive emergence. Hue Jackson brings some grit and is a very vocal leader. The OTA's are the most colorful in years and he is getting the offense and defense into skirmishes. He is going to bring some nasty attitutde to the team. Already DHB is progressing well, and while it's too early to evaluate this team, it looks light years ahead of Cable's "remedial education of how not to commit penalties, no contact" camps that he had early last year. Hue Jackson = huge action.

Yeah, it was mainly him, but also mainly Cam Cameron. (Flight of the Conchords reference in case anyone thinks I'm r3t@rd3d for using mainly twice).

Cameron, Rice, Flacco, etc.- there were plenty of people more important to the Ravens offensive emergence than their QB coach. Don't get me wrong, he has to be an upgrade for Oakland, but it's not like he's some guru. He'll help, but he alone isn't going to transform them into an offensive powerhouse overnight.As for Bush, a 4.6 career YPC (on an admittedly smallish sample) is certainly showing something, especially considering the situation he was in. He's certainly shown more than McFadden at this point.

Yeah, being amongst the next wave of emerging talents who are in line for an NFL head coaching position sure sounds like an insignificant piece to the team's success.Meet Hue Jackson, a star on the rise, soon-to-be NFL Head Coach, and the man primarly responsible for Flacco's quick development.....in case u didn't know.

Raiders will be dramatically improved on offense (and defense) and will be in the championship hunt in 2010.

Grape is ny favorite Kool-Aid.......

 

[Todem]

I have always liked Bush's skill set coming out of college. I watched him a ton at Rutgers....but watching him last year I got the sense that he take too long to get going...and in the NFL...speed kills. Bush seems to have a lack of acceleration. I think he can be a good part of a RBBC which is exactly what Oakland has. He can move a pile and has great hands.

They will give every chance to McFadden to break out this year. This is it for both of these backs to be even more to the point. Either one will emerge this season or Oakland will be looking to cut loose (via trade or out right release) at least one of them next off-season. I don't know the contract situations so maybe someone here can post that and draw some kind of conclusion if either were not so great this year and who would make the most ecomonic sense to let go of.

Yeah, sounds like you know his college career very well.

Relax jerky....caught my mistake (brain fart)...Louisville Cards....yeah I watched him a ton.

Sheesh...make a mistake around here and your hung like a murderer rapist in a NY minute.

 

[humpback]

What no has talked about is that the Raiders finally have an offensive coordinator. Tom Cable couldn't call a game to save his life. Now we have Hue Jackson as the new OC, who came over from Baltimore and was responsible for that team's offensive emergence. Hue Jackson brings some grit and is a very vocal leader. The OTA's are the most colorful in years and he is getting the offense and defense into skirmishes. He is going to bring some nasty attitutde to the team. Already DHB is progressing well, and while it's too early to evaluate this team, it looks light years ahead of Cable's "remedial education of how not to commit penalties, no contact" camps that he had early last year. Hue Jackson = huge action.

Yeah, it was mainly him, but also mainly Cam Cameron. (Flight of the Conchords reference in case anyone thinks I'm r3t@rd3d for using mainly twice).

Cameron, Rice, Flacco, etc.- there were plenty of people more important to the Ravens offensive emergence than their QB coach. Don't get me wrong, he has to be an upgrade for Oakland, but it's not like he's some guru. He'll help, but he alone isn't going to transform them into an offensive powerhouse overnight.As for Bush, a 4.6 career YPC (on an admittedly smallish sample) is certainly showing something, especially considering the situation he was in. He's certainly shown more than McFadden at this point.

Yeah, being amongst the next wave of emerging talents who are in line for an NFL head coaching position sure sounds like an insignificant piece to the team's success.Meet Hue Jackson, a star on the rise, soon-to-be NFL Head Coach, and the man primarly responsible for Flacco's quick development.....in case u didn't know.

Raiders will be dramatically improved on offense (and defense) and will be in the championship hunt in 2010.

Grape is ny favorite Kool-Aid.......

You keep thinking that about Jackson if you'd like. He's such a "star on the rise" that so many teams were beating down his door, offering their head coaching job to him, right? It's not like the offensive coordinator position for the Raider's is one of the most coveted jobs in the league right now.This is his 3rd OC gig, his previous two he's held the position for 1 season, and settled for a lesser position with a new team the following season- it's not like he moved on to bigger, better things. His previous two teams have both finished 23rd in total offense (Atlanta was actually 23rd in yards, 29th in points in his season there). Not a stellar track record.

Don't get me wrong, I like Jackson and he is an improvement for Oakland. I also think that the Raiders should be better this season. All I'm saying is, he wasn't the main reason for Baltimore's success on offense. In case you didn't know.