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RE: Bye week management by the numbers ...

This contest usually brings some discussion as well as frustration on how manage bye weeks. I think it will always be the case that you see value players you'd love to roster, but know that doing so might put too many players in the same bye week, risking elimination. Nobody wants to be sailing along successfully through many weeks of the contest, only to receive a knock on the door from the Turk when they arrive at a week with too many players polishing the bench. Nobody wants that last reach for a value player to be the move that ultimately gets them eliminated. To me, this dilemma is the crux of what makes this contest so much fun, yet so frustrating at the same time. But it's something we cannot ignore.

Guys who know me here know I'm a numbers guy and always have been. If there's a way to figure something out mathematically, I'll usually try to find it or waste a lot of time in the endeavor. But that said, there's no crystal ball and even the best fool-proof plan can quickly end in disaster as a result of a key injury. But if you are already on thin ice with one or more weeks with too many players sitting out, that key injury is far more likely to eliminate you than if you had done some better planning to spread out your bye week risk.

My method may sound complicated, but it's actually simple. It involves creating a spreadsheet that shows the point projections of the players I plan to roster, and which week they are on bye. This allows me to plot out who my best QB, my best 2 RB, best 2 WR, best 2 FLEX, etc, (along with their projected points) that are active each week. I can add the point projections of these active (starter) players to get a value that gives me a rough idea of the probability of getting a decent score that week. I can also see the point projections of my other active players at each position for each week, and get an idea of the likelihood that one them may score well if one of the top players does not.

With that much done, my risk management method uses 2 main assumptions. First - the cut line will be higher in weeks when a higher percentage of teams are cut from the contest. I think this assumption is fairly obvious, but I did go back 3 years and do some calculations to verify it. I found that for the last 3 years, the average cut line in 10% weeks was 124.5, in 20% weeks was 128.9, in 30% weeks was 136.5, and in 40% weeks was 149.5. So while there were a few exceptions, generally the cut line is in fact higher in weeks with a higher cut line percentage.

The second assumption is that overall contest scores will generally be lower in weeks when more stud players are on their bye week. While that's probably true, how can we quantify it in terms that are useful to this contest? I don't know a way to determine it, and any judgement of who those players are for the coming season would require a highly accurate crystal ball. So what I'm doing is using a fudge-factor that I arrive at by taking the percentage of NFL teams on bye each individual week and using 1/2 of that percentage as an approximation of the percentage of stud players that might be sitting out on bye that week. We know that the number of stud players in this contest are not evenly distributed across the 32 NFL teams, so I'm using 1/2 of the team bye percentage as my rough guideline inactive stud players.

So if you think this information has any value, how can we use it?

What I'm doing is plotting for each individual week, the cut line percentage, reduced by 1/2 of the NLF team bye percentage (as an approximation of inactive stud players likely to reduce overall scores) to create a modified cut line percentage (MCL) that I can add to my own roster's percentage of players that are idle each individual week to evaluate my bye week risk.

For example, in the first bye week (5), the cut line is 20% and we have 12.5% of the NLF teams on bye. So I'm taking the 20% cut percentage reduced by 6.25% (stud player idle %), to arrive at a MCL percentage of 13.75 for week 5.

My latest roster iteration has 13.8% of my potential fantasy points on bye for week 5, and needs to be added to the MCL percentage to determine a relative risk factor of 27.5 that can be compared to other weeks. This enables me to see see just how 'risky' some contemplated roster moves might be, as well as show me where I may need to go back and make adjustments to prevent the worst possible risk in the later weeks of the contest.

So my theory is your bye week risk for any given week will always be the sum of the cut line percentage plus your roster's bye week point percentage for that week, reduced by an approximation of the reduction in overall scores due to stud players on bye.

My biggest challenge has been trying to get my risk as low as possible in later weeks of the contest, assuming I'll even manage to make it that far. But the point of this cannot be exaggerated when we account for the fact that for all contest entries that survive through week twelve, 56% of them will be eliminated in weeks 13 -14.

Obviously the risk of elimination for all of us is the greatest in weeks with the highest cut percentages, and this methodology shows you how much you have added to that risk by the way you construct your roster. I think it also shows why the survival rate is much higher for larger rosters than smaller ones. One or two injuries on a 18 or 20 player roster almost certainly ends your chance.

Does this make any sense, or was it a waste of time?
 
Does this make any sense, or was it a waste of time?
I was able to follow along. As for the bye weeks, I like to dumb it down like this...
RB1
RB2
WR1
WR2
TE
Flex1
Flex2

I assume everyone has "expected starters" in these 7 spots. There are 9 bye weeks, and I try to make sure the 7 that fill these spots all have different byes. You could add your QB in here too, if you went with a stud/dud combo. Here would be an example team:

QB - J.J. McCarthy - MIN/6 - $19
QB - Geno Smith - LV/8 - $11
RB - Chase Brown - CIN/10 - $26
RB - Omarion Hampton - LAC/12 - $23

RB - Jordan Mason - MIN/6 - $11
WR - Jerry Jeudy - CLE/9 - $18
WR - Zay Flowers - BAL/7 - $16
WR - Jakobi Meyers - LV/8 - $16
WR - DJ Moore - CHI/5 - $16

WR - Stefon Diggs - NE/14 - $13
TE - Tyler Warren - IND/11 - $14
TE - Mason Taylor - NYJ/9 - $7

My assumption is I will use the bolded folks every week they play. Then Geno Smith, Jordan Mason, Stefon Diggs, and Mason Taylor sub in when one of the starters is on bye. This also assumes everyone stays healthy, which never happens.
 
QB - Trevor Lawrence - JAX/8 - $15
QB - Michael Penix Jr. - ATL/5 - $13

RB - Alvin Kamara - NO/11 - $24
RB - TreVeyon Henderson - NE/14 - $18
RB - Nick Chubb - HOU/6 - $8
RB - Miles Sanders - DAL/10 - $8
RB - Will Shipley - PHI/9 - $7
RB - Jacory Croskey-Merritt - WAS/12 - $6

WR - Jakobi Meyers - LV/8 - $16
WR - George Pickens - DAL/10 - $16
WR - Josh Downs - IND/11 - $12
WR - Emeka Egbuka - TB/9 - $10
WR - Rashid Shaheed - NO/11 - $8
WR - Keenan Allen - LAC/12 - $5

TE - Tucker Kraft - GB/5 - $15
TE - Tyler Warren - IND/11 - $14
TE - Hunter Henry - NE/14 - $11
TE - Juwan Johnson - NO/11 - $7

PK - Chris Boswell - PIT/5 - $4
PK - Cairo Santos - CHI/5 - $3
PK - Matthew Wright - CAR/14 - $3

TD - Tampa Bay Buccaneers - TB/9 - $4
TD - Las Vegas Raiders - LV/8 - $3
TD - Atlanta Falcons - ATL/5 - $3

I have $17 to play with, which position group needs the most love? $24 if I remove Juwan Johnson who shares a bye with Warren

I would upgrade from Downs and one of the tight ends
 
Does this make any sense, or was it a waste of time?
I was able to follow along. As for the bye weeks, I like to dumb it down like this...
RB1
RB2
WR1
WR2
TE
Flex1
Flex2

I assume everyone has "expected starters" in these 7 spots. There are 9 bye weeks, and I try to make sure the 7 that fill these spots all have different byes. You could add your QB in here too, if you went with a stud/dud combo. Here would be an example team:

QB - J.J. McCarthy - MIN/6 - $19
QB - Geno Smith - LV/8 - $11
RB - Chase Brown - CIN/10 - $26
RB - Omarion Hampton - LAC/12 - $23

RB - Jordan Mason - MIN/6 - $11
WR - Jerry Jeudy - CLE/9 - $18
WR - Zay Flowers - BAL/7 - $16
WR - Jakobi Meyers - LV/8 - $16
WR - DJ Moore - CHI/5 - $16

WR - Stefon Diggs - NE/14 - $13
TE - Tyler Warren - IND/11 - $14
TE - Mason Taylor - NYJ/9 - $7

My assumption is I will use the bolded folks every week they play. Then Geno Smith, Jordan Mason, Stefon Diggs, and Mason Taylor sub in when one of the starters is on bye. This also assumes everyone stays healthy, which never happens.

You've done well to spread them out, and we're thinking along the same lines.

My current iteration has every RB with a different bye week, and my 5 top WRs all with a different bye week, and only 1 WR has the same bye week as any RB.

Counting top RBs, top WRs, and all TEs as skill players, I have only 3 weeks with 2 skill players on bye.

I had to avoid some value players I really liked because of bye week conflicts, but I hopefully I came up with a ticket that will survive a while.

All but 3 of my "starters" have their bye weeks out of the way by week 10.
 
The cut % should be same every week not go up at the end. The reason the bye weeks are stacked late and your having the biggest cuts that doesn't work out.
 
QB - Trevor Lawrence - JAX/8 - $15
QB - Michael Penix Jr. - ATL/5 - $13

RB - Alvin Kamara - NO/11 - $24
RB - TreVeyon Henderson - NE/14 - $18
RB - Nick Chubb - HOU/6 - $8
RB - Miles Sanders - DAL/10 - $8
RB - Will Shipley - PHI/9 - $7
RB - Jacory Croskey-Merritt - WAS/12 - $6

WR - Jakobi Meyers - LV/8 - $16
WR - George Pickens - DAL/10 - $16
WR - Josh Downs - IND/11 - $12
WR - Emeka Egbuka - TB/9 - $10
WR - Rashid Shaheed - NO/11 - $8
WR - Keenan Allen - LAC/12 - $5

TE - Tucker Kraft - GB/5 - $15
TE - Tyler Warren - IND/11 - $14
TE - Hunter Henry - NE/14 - $11
TE - Juwan Johnson - NO/11 - $7

PK - Chris Boswell - PIT/5 - $4
PK - Cairo Santos - CHI/5 - $3
PK - Matthew Wright - CAR/14 - $3

TD - Tampa Bay Buccaneers - TB/9 - $4
TD - Las Vegas Raiders - LV/8 - $3
TD - Atlanta Falcons - ATL/5 - $3

I have $17 to play with, which position group needs the most love? $24 if I remove Juwan Johnson who shares a bye with Warren
Definitely need another 3-4 kickers
 
QB - Jared Goff - DET/8 - $16
QB - C.J. Stroud - HOU/6 - $14
QB - Tua Tagovailoa - MIA/12 - $10
RB - Bucky Irving - TB/9 - $29
RB - Jaylen Warren - PIT/5 - $17
RB - Tyrone Tracy Jr. - NYG/14 - $16
RB - Jordan Mason - MIN/6 - $11
RB - Jacory Croskey-Merritt - WAS/12 - $6
WR - Tee Higgins - CIN/10 - $25
WR - Mike Evans - TB/9 - $18
WR - Ricky Pearsall - SF/14 - $11
WR - Emeka Egbuka - TB/9 - $10
WR - Cooper Kupp - SEA/8 - $10
WR - Keenan Allen - LAC/12 - $5
TE - Jake Ferguson - DAL/10 - $15
TE - Dallas Goedert - PHI/9 - $11
TE - Zach Ertz - WAS/12 - $9
TE - Dawson Knox - BUF/7 - $3
PK - Jake Moody - SF/14 - $4
PK - Dustin Hopkins - CLE/9 - $3
TD - New York Jets - NYJ/9 - $4
TD - Miami Dolphins - MIA/12 - $3

Can't not double up on Tampa WRs. Wk 9 byes are a problem.
 
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For a buck less, you could roster all the Patriots WR's
Can't not double up on Tampa WRs.
WR - Stefon Diggs - NE/14 - $13
WR - DeMario Douglas - NE/14 - $7
WR - Mack Hollins - NE/14 - $3
WR - Kayshon Boutte - NE/14 - $2
WR - Kyle Williams - NE/14 - $2
 
Who else wishes they had just $10 more in cap money to spend❓
We should be able to spend $15 on a practice squad, and in any one week during the year, move players from active down to gone, and practice squad up to active, maintaining mathematical restrictions. That way, you can manage injuries at your own pace.
 
I think this has been the quietest subscriber contest thread in years. Is everyone busy changing your teams?
Everyone is waiting to see if Joe will offer his extra bonus for posting and not tinkering, then this thread will blow up with submissions!

I know we've thrown even more money at this in the past beyond the tens of thousands I put into the prize pool.

But I know you folks are more about the smack talk and pride.

This year let's switch things up from money and do something more fun with avatar badges. Let @Memphis Foundry and I work on something fun there.
Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges. But I definitely want one!
 
RE: Bye week management by the numbers ...

This contest usually brings some discussion as well as frustration on how manage bye weeks. I think it will always be the case that you see value players you'd love to roster, but know that doing so might put too many players in the same bye week, risking elimination. Nobody wants to be sailing along successfully through many weeks of the contest, only to receive a knock on the door from the Turk when they arrive at a week with too many players polishing the bench. Nobody wants that last reach for a value player to be the move that ultimately gets them eliminated. To me, this dilemma is the crux of what makes this contest so much fun, yet so frustrating at the same time. But it's something we cannot ignore.

Guys who know me here know I'm a numbers guy and always have been. If there's a way to figure something out mathematically, I'll usually try to find it or waste a lot of time in the endeavor. But that said, there's no crystal ball and even the best fool-proof plan can quickly end in disaster as a result of a key injury. But if you are already on thin ice with one or more weeks with too many players sitting out, that key injury is far more likely to eliminate you than if you had done some better planning to spread out your bye week risk.

My method may sound complicated, but it's actually simple. It involves creating a spreadsheet that shows the point projections of the players I plan to roster, and which week they are on bye. This allows me to plot out who my best QB, my best 2 RB, best 2 WR, best 2 FLEX, etc, (along with their projected points) that are active each week. I can add the point projections of these active (starter) players to get a value that gives me a rough idea of the probability of getting a decent score that week. I can also see the point projections of my other active players at each position for each week, and get an idea of the likelihood that one them may score well if one of the top players does not.

With that much done, my risk management method uses 2 main assumptions. First - the cut line will be higher in weeks when a higher percentage of teams are cut from the contest. I think this assumption is fairly obvious, but I did go back 3 years and do some calculations to verify it. I found that for the last 3 years, the average cut line in 10% weeks was 124.5, in 20% weeks was 128.9, in 30% weeks was 136.5, and in 40% weeks was 149.5. So while there were a few exceptions, generally the cut line is in fact higher in weeks with a higher cut line percentage.

The second assumption is that overall contest scores will generally be lower in weeks when more stud players are on their bye week. While that's probably true, how can we quantify it in terms that are useful to this contest? I don't know a way to determine it, and any judgement of who those players are for the coming season would require a highly accurate crystal ball. So what I'm doing is using a fudge-factor that I arrive at by taking the percentage of NFL teams on bye each individual week and using 1/2 of that percentage as an approximation of the percentage of stud players that might be sitting out on bye that week. We know that the number of stud players in this contest are not evenly distributed across the 32 NFL teams, so I'm using 1/2 of the team bye percentage as my rough guideline inactive stud players.

So if you think this information has any value, how can we use it?

What I'm doing is plotting for each individual week, the cut line percentage, reduced by 1/2 of the NLF team bye percentage (as an approximation of inactive stud players likely to reduce overall scores) to create a modified cut line percentage (MCL) that I can add to my own roster's percentage of players that are idle each individual week to evaluate my bye week risk.

For example, in the first bye week (5), the cut line is 20% and we have 12.5% of the NLF teams on bye. So I'm taking the 20% cut percentage reduced by 6.25% (stud player idle %), to arrive at a MCL percentage of 13.75 for week 5.

My latest roster iteration has 13.8% of my potential fantasy points on bye for week 5, and needs to be added to the MCL percentage to determine a relative risk factor of 27.5 that can be compared to other weeks. This enables me to see see just how 'risky' some contemplated roster moves might be, as well as show me where I may need to go back and make adjustments to prevent the worst possible risk in the later weeks of the contest.

So my theory is your bye week risk for any given week will always be the sum of the cut line percentage plus your roster's bye week point percentage for that week, reduced by an approximation of the reduction in overall scores due to stud players on bye.

My biggest challenge has been trying to get my risk as low as possible in later weeks of the contest, assuming I'll even manage to make it that far. But the point of this cannot be exaggerated when we account for the fact that for all contest entries that survive through week twelve, 56% of them will be eliminated in weeks 13 -14.

Obviously the risk of elimination for all of us is the greatest in weeks with the highest cut percentages, and this methodology shows you how much you have added to that risk by the way you construct your roster. I think it also shows why the survival rate is much higher for larger rosters than smaller ones. One or two injuries on a 18 or 20 player roster almost certainly ends your chance.

Does this make any sense, or was it a waste of time?
It makes perfect sense, but it's clear enough that I know I'm not putting nearly that much effort into it :) It's what I'm going for I think, but doing it completely by feel.
 
Here is my roster (at least as of today...or even right now). How many weeks will I last?

QB - Patrick Mahomes - KC/10 - $20
QB - C.J. Stroud - HOU/6 - $14
QB - Tua Tagovailoa - MIA/12 - $10
RB - Chase Brown - CIN/10 - $26
RB - RJ Harvey - DEN/12 - $19
RB - TreVeyon Henderson - NE/14 - $18
RB - Jordan Mason - MIN/6 - $11
RB - Jacory "Bill" Croskey-Merritt - WAS/12 - $6
WR - Mike Evans - TB/9 - $18
WR - Ricky Pearsall - SF/14 - $11
WR - Emeka Egbuka - TB/9 - $10
WR - Cooper Kupp - SEA/8 - $10
WR - DeMario Douglas - NE/14 - $7
TE - Jake Ferguson - DAL/10 - $15
TE - Tucker Kraft - GB/5 - $15
TE - Tyler Warren - IND/11 - $14
PK - Brandon Aubrey - DAL/10 - $8
PK - Ka'imi Fairbairn - HOU/6 - $6
PK - Tyler Loop - BAL/7 - $4
TD - Los Angeles Chargers - LAC/12 - $4
TD - Kansas City Chiefs - KC/10 - $4
 
Well I think I'm down to my final two iterations. One is a 20 man roster and the other is 30. Yes I bought two subscriptions so I could have two entries.

Don't worry I have plenty of kickers on both. Here is one.

QB - Lamar Jackson - BAL/7 - $27
QB - Sam Darnold - SEA/8 - $10
RB - Josh Jacobs - GB/5 - $29
RB - Aaron Jones - MIN/6 - $21
RB - Chuba Hubbard - CAR/14 - $20
RB - Isiah Pacheco - KC/10 - $18
WR - Jameson Williams - DET/8 - $20
WR - Mike Evans - TB/9 - $18
WR - Zay Flowers - BAL/7 - $16
WR - Keenan Allen - LAC/12 - $5
WR - Dont'e Thornton Jr. - LV/8 - $4
WR - Luke McCaffrey - WAS/12 - $2
WR - Nick Westbrook-Ikhine - MIA/12 - $2
WR - Kyle Williams - NE/14 - $2
TE - Travis Kelce - KC/10 - $20
TE - Mark Andrews - BAL/7 - $18
TE - Zach Ertz - WAS/12 - $9
PK - Cairo Santos - CHI/5 - $3
PK - Joey Slye - TEN/10 - $3
TD - Atlanta Falcons - ATL/5 - $3

Total value: 250

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QB - Lamar Jackson - BAL/7 - $27
QB - C.J. Stroud - HOU/6 - $14
RB - Aaron Jones - MIN/6 - $21
RB - Chuba Hubbard - CAR/14 - $20
RB - Isiah Pacheco - KC/10 - $18
RB - Javonte Williams - DAL/10 - $13
RB - Bhayshul Tuten - JAX/8 - $8
RB - Jacory Croskey-Merritt - WAS/12 - $6
WR - Zay Flowers - BAL/7 - $16
WR - Deebo Samuel Sr. - WAS/12 - $14
WR - Rashod Bateman - BAL/7 - $10
WR - Emeka Egbuka - TB/9 - $10
WR - Marquise Brown - KC/10 - $6
WR - Keenan Allen - LAC/12 - $5
WR - DeAndre Hopkins - BAL/7 - $5
WR - Malik Washington - MIA/12 - $5
WR - Dont'e Thornton Jr. - LV/8 - $4
WR - Troy Franklin - DEN/12 - $3
WR - Allen Lazard - NYJ/9 - $3
WR - Noah Brown - WAS/12 - $2
WR - Luke McCaffrey - WAS/12 - $2
WR - Tim Patrick - DET/8 - $2
WR - Nick Westbrook-Ikhine - MIA/12 - $2
WR - Kyle Williams - NE/14 - $2
TE - Zach Ertz - WAS/12 - $9
TE - Cade Otton - TB/9 - $8
TE - Will Dissly - LAC/12 - $6
PK - Cairo Santos - CHI/5 - $3
PK - Joey Slye - TEN/10 - $3
TD - Atlanta Falcons - ATL/5 - $3

Total value: 250
 
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RE: Bye week management by the numbers ...

This contest usually brings some discussion as well as frustration on how manage bye weeks. I think it will always be the case that you see value players you'd love to roster, but know that doing so might put too many players in the same bye week, risking elimination. Nobody wants to be sailing along successfully through many weeks of the contest, only to receive a knock on the door from the Turk when they arrive at a week with too many players polishing the bench. Nobody wants that last reach for a value player to be the move that ultimately gets them eliminated. To me, this dilemma is the crux of what makes this contest so much fun, yet so frustrating at the same time. But it's something we cannot ignore.

Guys who know me here know I'm a numbers guy and always have been. If there's a way to figure something out mathematically, I'll usually try to find it or waste a lot of time in the endeavor. But that said, there's no crystal ball and even the best fool-proof plan can quickly end in disaster as a result of a key injury. But if you are already on thin ice with one or more weeks with too many players sitting out, that key injury is far more likely to eliminate you than if you had done some better planning to spread out your bye week risk.

My method may sound complicated, but it's actually simple. It involves creating a spreadsheet that shows the point projections of the players I plan to roster, and which week they are on bye. This allows me to plot out who my best QB, my best 2 RB, best 2 WR, best 2 FLEX, etc, (along with their projected points) that are active each week. I can add the point projections of these active (starter) players to get a value that gives me a rough idea of the probability of getting a decent score that week. I can also see the point projections of my other active players at each position for each week, and get an idea of the likelihood that one them may score well if one of the top players does not.

With that much done, my risk management method uses 2 main assumptions. First - the cut line will be higher in weeks when a higher percentage of teams are cut from the contest. I think this assumption is fairly obvious, but I did go back 3 years and do some calculations to verify it. I found that for the last 3 years, the average cut line in 10% weeks was 124.5, in 20% weeks was 128.9, in 30% weeks was 136.5, and in 40% weeks was 149.5. So while there were a few exceptions, generally the cut line is in fact higher in weeks with a higher cut line percentage.

The second assumption is that overall contest scores will generally be lower in weeks when more stud players are on their bye week. While that's probably true, how can we quantify it in terms that are useful to this contest? I don't know a way to determine it, and any judgement of who those players are for the coming season would require a highly accurate crystal ball. So what I'm doing is using a fudge-factor that I arrive at by taking the percentage of NFL teams on bye each individual week and using 1/2 of that percentage as an approximation of the percentage of stud players that might be sitting out on bye that week. We know that the number of stud players in this contest are not evenly distributed across the 32 NFL teams, so I'm using 1/2 of the team bye percentage as my rough guideline inactive stud players.

So if you think this information has any value, how can we use it?

What I'm doing is plotting for each individual week, the cut line percentage, reduced by 1/2 of the NLF team bye percentage (as an approximation of inactive stud players likely to reduce overall scores) to create a modified cut line percentage (MCL) that I can add to my own roster's percentage of players that are idle each individual week to evaluate my bye week risk.

For example, in the first bye week (5), the cut line is 20% and we have 12.5% of the NLF teams on bye. So I'm taking the 20% cut percentage reduced by 6.25% (stud player idle %), to arrive at a MCL percentage of 13.75 for week 5.

My latest roster iteration has 13.8% of my potential fantasy points on bye for week 5, and needs to be added to the MCL percentage to determine a relative risk factor of 27.5 that can be compared to other weeks. This enables me to see see just how 'risky' some contemplated roster moves might be, as well as show me where I may need to go back and make adjustments to prevent the worst possible risk in the later weeks of the contest.

So my theory is your bye week risk for any given week will always be the sum of the cut line percentage plus your roster's bye week point percentage for that week, reduced by an approximation of the reduction in overall scores due to stud players on bye.

My biggest challenge has been trying to get my risk as low as possible in later weeks of the contest, assuming I'll even manage to make it that far. But the point of this cannot be exaggerated when we account for the fact that for all contest entries that survive through week twelve, 56% of them will be eliminated in weeks 13 -14.

Obviously the risk of elimination for all of us is the greatest in weeks with the highest cut percentages, and this methodology shows you how much you have added to that risk by the way you construct your roster. I think it also shows why the survival rate is much higher for larger rosters than smaller ones. One or two injuries on a 18 or 20 player roster almost certainly ends your chance.

Does this make any sense, or was it a waste of time?
It makes perfect sense and I am taking your methodology into account while constructing my roster.
 
Bill (Croskey-Merritt) is going to be on approximately 99% of rosters at this point. What's the all-time record for % rostered fir a single player?

Has to be 100 percent Julius Thomas was 1 or 2 dollar with the Broncos the year Manning threw 55 tds.
 
Bill (Croskey-Merritt) is going to be on approximately 99% of rosters at this point. What's the all-time record for % rostered fir a single player?

Has to be 100 percent Julius Thomas was 1 or 2 dollar with the Broncos the year Manning threw 55 tds.
I dunno about Julius Thomas in 2013, but since 2015, only 2 players have reached 60% ownership
- 2017 RB Kareem Hunt for $10 was owned by 68.7%
- 2021 RB Gus Edwards for $11 was owned by 64.9%

We all remember Gus missed the entire season. Rookie Kareem Hunt ran wild, totaling 1782 yards and 11 TD's.
 
Bill (Croskey-Merritt) is going to be on approximately 99% of rosters at this point. What's the all-time record for % rostered fir a single player?

Has to be 100 percent Julius Thomas was 1 or 2 dollar with the Broncos the year Manning threw 55 tds.
I dunno about Julius Thomas in 2013, but since 2015, only 2 players have reached 60% ownership
- 2017 RB Kareem Hunt for $10 was owned by 68.7%
- 2021 RB Gus Edwards for $11 was owned by 64.9%

We all remember Gus missed the entire season. Rookie Kareem Hunt ran wild, totaling 1782 yards and 11 TD's.

I don't remember who, but there was another "Winz" in the contest thread before you. Thomas was over 90 percent and the highest ever single owned person.
 
Bill (Croskey-Merritt) is going to be on approximately 99% of rosters at this point. What's the all-time record for % rostered fir a single player?

Has to be 100 percent Julius Thomas was 1 or 2 dollar with the Broncos the year Manning threw 55 tds.
I dunno about Julius Thomas in 2013, but since 2015, only 2 players have reached 60% ownership
- 2017 RB Kareem Hunt for $10 was owned by 68.7%
- 2021 RB Gus Edwards for $11 was owned by 64.9%

We all remember Gus missed the entire season. Rookie Kareem Hunt ran wild, totaling 1782 yards and 11 TD's.

I don't remember who, but there was another "Winz" in the contest thread before you. Thomas was over 90 percent and the highest ever single owned person.
@ZWK keeps stats going back pretty far. Probably the one.
 
Bill (Croskey-Merritt) is going to be on approximately 99% of rosters at this point. What's the all-time record for % rostered fir a single player?

I'm sure I and others will have Bill due to fomo, but there's a pretty good chance there's a four headed committee beast in Washington going forward.

Depending on roster construction, there are other juicy options at $4, $8, $11, etc.
 
Bill (Croskey-Merritt) is going to be on approximately 99% of rosters at this point. What's the all-time record for % rostered fir a single player?

I'm sure I and others will have Bill due to fomo, but there's a pretty good chance there's a four headed committee beast in Washington going forward.

Depending on roster construction, there are other juicy options at $4, $8, $11, etc.
I would have guessed Arian Foster was on a LOT of teams
 
RE: Bye week management by the numbers ...

This contest usually brings some discussion as well as frustration on how manage bye weeks. I think it will always be the case that you see value players you'd love to roster, but know that doing so might put too many players in the same bye week, risking elimination. Nobody wants to be sailing along successfully through many weeks of the contest, only to receive a knock on the door from the Turk when they arrive at a week with too many players polishing the bench. Nobody wants that last reach for a value player to be the move that ultimately gets them eliminated. To me, this dilemma is the crux of what makes this contest so much fun, yet so frustrating at the same time. But it's something we cannot ignore.

Guys who know me here know I'm a numbers guy and always have been. If there's a way to figure something out mathematically, I'll usually try to find it or waste a lot of time in the endeavor. But that said, there's no crystal ball and even the best fool-proof plan can quickly end in disaster as a result of a key injury. But if you are already on thin ice with one or more weeks with too many players sitting out, that key injury is far more likely to eliminate you than if you had done some better planning to spread out your bye week risk.

My method may sound complicated, but it's actually simple. It involves creating a spreadsheet that shows the point projections of the players I plan to roster, and which week they are on bye. This allows me to plot out who my best QB, my best 2 RB, best 2 WR, best 2 FLEX, etc, (along with their projected points) that are active each week. I can add the point projections of these active (starter) players to get a value that gives me a rough idea of the probability of getting a decent score that week. I can also see the point projections of my other active players at each position for each week, and get an idea of the likelihood that one them may score well if one of the top players does not.

With that much done, my risk management method uses 2 main assumptions. First - the cut line will be higher in weeks when a higher percentage of teams are cut from the contest. I think this assumption is fairly obvious, but I did go back 3 years and do some calculations to verify it. I found that for the last 3 years, the average cut line in 10% weeks was 124.5, in 20% weeks was 128.9, in 30% weeks was 136.5, and in 40% weeks was 149.5. So while there were a few exceptions, generally the cut line is in fact higher in weeks with a higher cut line percentage.

The second assumption is that overall contest scores will generally be lower in weeks when more stud players are on their bye week. While that's probably true, how can we quantify it in terms that are useful to this contest? I don't know a way to determine it, and any judgement of who those players are for the coming season would require a highly accurate crystal ball. So what I'm doing is using a fudge-factor that I arrive at by taking the percentage of NFL teams on bye each individual week and using 1/2 of that percentage as an approximation of the percentage of stud players that might be sitting out on bye that week. We know that the number of stud players in this contest are not evenly distributed across the 32 NFL teams, so I'm using 1/2 of the team bye percentage as my rough guideline inactive stud players.

So if you think this information has any value, how can we use it?

What I'm doing is plotting for each individual week, the cut line percentage, reduced by 1/2 of the NLF team bye percentage (as an approximation of inactive stud players likely to reduce overall scores) to create a modified cut line percentage (MCL) that I can add to my own roster's percentage of players that are idle each individual week to evaluate my bye week risk.

For example, in the first bye week (5), the cut line is 20% and we have 12.5% of the NLF teams on bye. So I'm taking the 20% cut percentage reduced by 6.25% (stud player idle %), to arrive at a MCL percentage of 13.75 for week 5.

My latest roster iteration has 13.8% of my potential fantasy points on bye for week 5, and needs to be added to the MCL percentage to determine a relative risk factor of 27.5 that can be compared to other weeks. This enables me to see see just how 'risky' some contemplated roster moves might be, as well as show me where I may need to go back and make adjustments to prevent the worst possible risk in the later weeks of the contest.

So my theory is your bye week risk for any given week will always be the sum of the cut line percentage plus your roster's bye week point percentage for that week, reduced by an approximation of the reduction in overall scores due to stud players on bye.

My biggest challenge has been trying to get my risk as low as possible in later weeks of the contest, assuming I'll even manage to make it that far. But the point of this cannot be exaggerated when we account for the fact that for all contest entries that survive through week twelve, 56% of them will be eliminated in weeks 13 -14.

Obviously the risk of elimination for all of us is the greatest in weeks with the highest cut percentages, and this methodology shows you how much you have added to that risk by the way you construct your roster. I think it also shows why the survival rate is much higher for larger rosters than smaller ones. One or two injuries on a 18 or 20 player roster almost certainly ends your chance.

Does this make any sense, or was it a waste of time?
It makes perfect sense, but it's clear enough that I know I'm not putting nearly that much effort into it :) It's what I'm going for I think, but doing it completely by feel.
Same here. I’m not doing any math at all. I’m simply spreading out my bye weeks and especially avoiding the same bye weeks among any of my top 2-ish players at each position. (Not actually possible across the board but you get the idea)
 
Bill (Croskey-Merritt) is going to be on approximately 99% of rosters at this point. What's the all-time record for % rostered fir a single player?

I'm sure I and others will have Bill due to fomo, but there's a pretty good chance there's a four headed committee beast in Washington going forward.

Depending on roster construction, there are other juicy options at $4, $8, $11, etc.
I would have guessed Arian Foster was on a LOT of teams

Yeah, Foster is the one who always sticks out in my mind. The number I have in my head for him is like 82% rostered for $2.
 
I think this has been the quietest subscriber contest thread in years. Is everyone busy changing your teams?

I'll probably have as many roster iterations as anyone else as we prepare for the new season, but they are all in a spreadsheet and I don't usually post all the preliminary versions.

There are a lot of moving parts during training camp, not to mention injuries, possible trades, players cut and getting signed to a team with a different bye week, and all sorts of crazy stuff like that, which usually results in needing to make more changes even if you thought you were done.
What's the fun in saving all your iterations to yourself? Post those bad boys!

And why is your text bigger than mine? :-)
I was told size doesn't matter
 
Only 22 players. Atleast 1 stud at every offensive position and some value picks for depth. CIN, ATL, TB bye weeks 😅

QB - Joe Burrow - CIN/10 - $26
QB - Michael Penix Jr. - ATL/5 - $13
RB - Derrick Henry - BAL/7 - $31
RB - Chase Brown - CIN/10 - $26
RB - Nick Chubb - HOU/6 - $8
RB - Jacory Croskey-Merritt - WAS/12 - $6
WR - Drake London - ATL/5 - $30
WR - Mike Evans - TB/9 - $18
WR - Matthew Golden - GB/5 - $12
WR - Emeka Egbuka - TB/9 - $10
WR - Keenan Allen - LAC/12 - $5
WR - DeAndre Hopkins - BAL/7 - $5
WR - Troy Franklin - DEN/12 - $3
TE - George Kittle - SF/14 - $25
TE - Chig Okonkwo - TEN/10 - $8
TE - Cole Kmet - CHI/5 - $5
TE - Dawson Knox - BUF/7 - $3
PK - Evan McPherson - CIN/10 - $4
PK - Dustin Hopkins - CLE/9 - $3
PK - Cairo Santos - CHI/5 - $3
TD - Las Vegas Raiders - LV/8 - $3
TD - Atlanta Falcons - ATL/5 - $3
 
How to tell that the Home Leagues and FBG Bowl Leagues are huge success for SharkPool members and have been all consuming these past few weeks?

@TheWinz hasn’t posted in this contest thread in 24 hours.

Please send an ambulance to his house asap to check on him!

Not to worry. I've already checked on him, and he said he has an 8 pm draft tonight, so that's what he's doing at the moment.
 
How to tell that the Home Leagues and FBG Bowl Leagues are huge success for SharkPool members and have been all consuming these past few weeks?

@TheWinz hasn’t posted in this contest thread in 24 hours.

Please send an ambulance to his house asap to check on him!
hehehehe

Sounds like @Joe Bryant is coming up with a badge of honor for anyone willing to not tinker for the last 48 hours. Of course he knows I will manage the contest for him if he wants. but it's not a contest unless we get copious amounts of submissions posted in this thread, Time to get busy is now!
 
How to tell that the Home Leagues and FBG Bowl Leagues are huge success for SharkPool members and have been all consuming these past few weeks?

@TheWinz hasn’t posted in this contest thread in 24 hours.

Please send an ambulance to his house asap to check on him!
hehehehe

Sounds like @Joe Bryant is coming up with a badge of honor for anyone willing to not tinker for the last 48 hours. Of course he knows I will manage the contest for him if he wants. but it's not a contest unless we get copious amounts of submissions posted in this thread, Time to get busy is now!

Now? What have you been doing for the last couple of weeks?
 
How to tell that the Home Leagues and FBG Bowl Leagues are huge success for SharkPool members and have been all consuming these past few weeks?

@TheWinz hasn’t posted in this contest thread in 24 hours.

Please send an ambulance to his house asap to check on him!
hehehehe

Sounds like @Joe Bryant is coming up with a badge of honor for anyone willing to not tinker for the last 48 hours. Of course he knows I will manage the contest for him if he wants. but it's not a contest unless we get copious amounts of submissions posted in this thread, Time to get busy is now!

Now? What have you been doing for the last couple of weeks?
I'm probably on my 100th iteration. I need to post my yearly "do not roster" expensive D's or K's post.
 
How to tell that the Home Leagues and FBG Bowl Leagues are huge success for SharkPool members and have been all consuming these past few weeks?

@TheWinz hasn’t posted in this contest thread in 24 hours.

Please send an ambulance to his house asap to check on him!
hehehehe

Sounds like @Joe Bryant is coming up with a badge of honor for anyone willing to not tinker for the last 48 hours. Of course he knows I will manage the contest for him if he wants. but it's not a contest unless we get copious amounts of submissions posted in this thread, Time to get busy is now!

Well, judging by how quiet it has been here, maybe an avatar badge isn’t enough incentive to get folks to lock in their rosters early, and avoid last minute tinkering.

❓Question for @TheWinz : How many who qualified to compete for the extra $100 bonus last year actually made the finals and received it ❓

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was only 2 or 3.
 
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How to tell that the Home Leagues and FBG Bowl Leagues are huge success for SharkPool members and have been all consuming these past few weeks?

@TheWinz hasn’t posted in this contest thread in 24 hours.

Please send an ambulance to his house asap to check on him!
hehehehe

Sounds like @Joe Bryant is coming up with a badge of honor for anyone willing to not tinker for the last 48 hours. Of course he knows I will manage the contest for him if he wants. but it's not a contest unless we get copious amounts of submissions posted in this thread, Time to get busy is now!

will do....September 3 at 11pm.

an hour is plenty enough time for my brilliant "week 3 exit" roster to be copied....
 
Nearly complete, I did a few tweaks to balance position groups a bit, but kept it at a 21 swing for the fences roster (Presumed Starters in Bold), I think I'd be happy with this if rosters were locked today, not deep but if this lineup made it all the way to the playoffs, I like the firepower if it gets there:

QB - Jared Goff - DET/8 - $16
QB - Cam Ward - TEN/10 - $11

RB - Jonathan Taylor - IND/11 - $29
RB - Kyren Williams - LAR/8 - $27
RB - Chase Brown - CIN/10 - $26

RB - Tyrone Tracy Jr. - NYG/14 - $16
RB - Jordan Mason - MIN/6 - $11
RB - Jacory Croskey-Merritt - WAS/12 - $6

WR - Mike Evans - TB/9 - $18
WR - DJ Moore - CHI/5 - $16
WR - Calvin Ridley - TEN/10 - $16

WR - Ricky Pearsall - SF/14 - $11
WR - Troy Franklin - DEN/12 - $3
WR - Jahan Dotson - PHI/9 - $2

TE - Mark Andrews - BAL/7 - $18
TE - Zach Ertz - WAS/12 - $9
TE - Luke Musgrave - GB/5 - $3

PK - Blake Grupe - NO/11 - $3
PK - Graham Gano - NYG/14 - $3

TD - Miami Dolphins - MIA/12 - $3
TD - Carolina Panthers - CAR/14 - $3

Total value: 250
 
Nearly complete, I did a few tweaks to balance position groups a bit, but kept it at a 21 swing for the fences roster (Presumed Starters in Bold), I think I'd be happy with this if rosters were locked today, not deep but if this lineup made it all the way to the playoffs, I like the firepower if it gets there:

QB - Jared Goff - DET/8 - $16
QB - Cam Ward - TEN/10 - $11

RB - Jonathan Taylor - IND/11 - $29
RB - Kyren Williams - LAR/8 - $27
RB - Chase Brown - CIN/10 - $26

RB - Tyrone Tracy Jr. - NYG/14 - $16
RB - Jordan Mason - MIN/6 - $11
RB - Jacory Croskey-Merritt - WAS/12 - $6

WR - Mike Evans - TB/9 - $18
WR - DJ Moore - CHI/5 - $16
WR - Calvin Ridley - TEN/10 - $16

WR - Ricky Pearsall - SF/14 - $11
WR - Troy Franklin - DEN/12 - $3
WR - Jahan Dotson - PHI/9 - $2

TE - Mark Andrews - BAL/7 - $18
TE - Zach Ertz - WAS/12 - $9
TE - Luke Musgrave - GB/5 - $3

PK - Blake Grupe - NO/11 - $3
PK - Graham Gano - NYG/14 - $3

TD - Miami Dolphins - MIA/12 - $3
TD - Carolina Panthers - CAR/14 - $3

Total value: 250
Very strong. Should do well if you can avoid the injury bug!
 
Nearly complete, I did a few tweaks to balance position groups a bit, but kept it at a 21 swing for the fences roster (Presumed Starters in Bold), I think I'd be happy with this if rosters were locked today, not deep but if this lineup made it all the way to the playoffs, I like the firepower if it gets there:

QB - Jared Goff - DET/8 - $16
QB - Cam Ward - TEN/10 - $11

RB - Jonathan Taylor - IND/11 - $29
RB - Kyren Williams - LAR/8 - $27
RB - Chase Brown - CIN/10 - $26

RB - Tyrone Tracy Jr. - NYG/14 - $16
RB - Jordan Mason - MIN/6 - $11
RB - Jacory Croskey-Merritt - WAS/12 - $6

WR - Mike Evans - TB/9 - $18
WR - DJ Moore - CHI/5 - $16
WR - Calvin Ridley - TEN/10 - $16

WR - Ricky Pearsall - SF/14 - $11
WR - Troy Franklin - DEN/12 - $3
WR - Jahan Dotson - PHI/9 - $2

TE - Mark Andrews - BAL/7 - $18
TE - Zach Ertz - WAS/12 - $9
TE - Luke Musgrave - GB/5 - $3

PK - Blake Grupe - NO/11 - $3
PK - Graham Gano - NYG/14 - $3

TD - Miami Dolphins - MIA/12 - $3
TD - Carolina Panthers - CAR/14 - $3

Total value: 250
Very strong. Should do well if you can avoid the injury bug!
Agreed. I re-read that line up a couple of times to understand how that roster fits in the $250 budget. Nice.
 

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