Darren McFadden LisFranc Reported (1 Viewer)

[jim k]

Two items.

1) Was Phil Simms not supposed to mention this on the broadcast yesterday?

2) This type of injury basically the top part of the foot becomes separated from the rest of the foot. This injury is very bad for a skill position player - you lose the flexion in that foot and cannot bend the foot to make cuts. Basically ended the career of Larry Johnson, Kevin Jones and has turned Chris Ivory into a straight ahead power back. Not good for McFadden dynasty prospects.

 

[Banger]

can't say I'm the least bit surprised. He was in a boot for what 6 weeks and still isn't ready?

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Phil Simms did not report anything of the sort. He just threw out an uninformed opinion, like anybody else who can flap their gums. It hasn't been reported by anybody in the Raiders organization. P. Simms is the fool that spouted off that he turned down Al Davis for the Raiders HC position, after AD died.

 

[gianmarco]

Phil Simms did not report anything of the sort. He just threw out an uninformed opinion, like anybody else who can flap their gums. It hasn't been reported by anybody in the Raiders organization. P. Simms is the fool that spouted off that he turned down Al Davis for the Raiders HC position, after AD died.

Uhh...

(Rotoworld) Coach Hue Jackson said that Darren McFadden does have a Lisfranc injury in his right foot, but insisted the running back is not done for the year.

Analysis: During the Week 14 telecast, CBS' Phil Simms said McFadden has a Lisfranc injury, not a mid-foot sprain, and could be out for the year. After the game, Jackson brushed off the new diagnosis. "I mean, that's what we said - it's a sprained foot, Lisfranc, whatever you want to call it. Basically the same thing," he said. "I think Darren will be back before the season's over." A Lisfranc is much more serious than a mid-foot sprain, no matter what Jackson thinks. We can't realistically expect to see McFadden in Week 15.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Phil Simms did not report anything of the sort. He just threw out an uninformed opinion, like anybody else who can flap their gums. It hasn't been reported by anybody in the Raiders organization. P. Simms is the fool that spouted off that he turned down Al Davis for the Raiders HC position, after AD died.

Uhh...

(Rotoworld) Coach Hue Jackson said that Darren McFadden does have a Lisfranc injury in his right foot, but insisted the running back is not done for the year.

Analysis: During the Week 14 telecast, CBS' Phil Simms said McFadden has a Lisfranc injury, not a mid-foot sprain, and could be out for the year. After the game, Jackson brushed off the new diagnosis. "I mean, that's what we said - it's a sprained foot, Lisfranc, whatever you want to call it. Basically the same thing," he said. "I think Darren will be back before the season's over." A Lisfranc is much more serious than a mid-foot sprain, no matter what Jackson thinks. We can't realistically expect to see McFadden in Week 15.

Well, then this is news to me. thanks, I heard Simms speculate on air, but the words he chose didn't sound like he was reporting anything new. They both kind of danced around the word, but I don't remember them coming out and saying it for certain. Anyway, I stand corrected.

 

[zamboni]

Looking more and more likely that the team will pony up keep Michael Bush in silver and black.

ETA: that is, unless they believe Taiwan Jones is all that.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Looking more and more likely that the team will pony up keep Michael Bush in silver and black.

I agree. But he'll be 28 next year. The only dough he gets will be the franchise tag, and we can say goodbye to Mr. Seymour. Bush is going to be another in a long line of RB's that never get that career payday.

 

[Shutout]

Man, that is a bad injury. Not surprising since he has been out so long after a reported "sprain" but when I hear Lisfranc, I think of the types of injuries that take like a year to really get back from (for Rb or WR types anyways). I think Kevin Jones had one and he was looking so promising before and then was never the same.

Well, time for Taiwan Jones I guess.

 

[zamboni]

Looking more and more likely that the team will pony up keep Michael Bush in silver and black.

I agree. But he'll be 28 next year. The only dough he gets will be the franchise tag, and we can say goodbye to Mr. Seymour. Bush is going to be another in a long line of RB's that never get that career payday.

I'd be surprised if they franchised Bush and put him in the upper echelon of salaried RBs, but who knows. As good as Bush is, as you say, he'll be 28 and may not be that irreplaceable.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Looking more and more likely that the team will pony up keep Michael Bush in silver and black.

I agree. But he'll be 28 next year. The only dough he gets will be the franchise tag, and we can say goodbye to Mr. Seymour. Bush is going to be another in a long line of RB's that never get that career payday.

I'd be surprised if they franchised Bush and put him in the upper echelon of salaried RBs, but who knows. As good as Bush is, as you say, he'll be 28 and may not be that irreplaceable.

We already tried this experiment with LaMont Jordan. We don't need to be repeating the same mistakes with aging RB's. I still think franchising isn't a bad option. If he leaves, the Raiders will lack the hammer back that can grind between the tackles. But having said that, RB's are really a dime a dozen.

 

[gandalas]

Looking more and more likely that the team will pony up keep Michael Bush in silver and black.

I agree. But he'll be 28 next year. The only dough he gets will be the franchise tag, and we can say goodbye to Mr. Seymour. Bush is going to be another in a long line of RB's that never get that career payday.

If you can't make 7-8 million dollars last a "career", then you need a better financial planner...

 

[elbowrm]

I think there are a bunch of guys potentially available to fill Bush's role next year, for a lot less than the franchise tag would cost, including Marshawn Lynch, BJGE, and Benson. The Giants are on the hook to pay Brandon Jacobs $4.4 million (+ a $500k roster bonus in March) next year, and based on how much we're seeing DJ Ware on the field in critical goal-line situations, he may be out there as well.

 

[FF Ninja]

Looking more and more likely that the team will pony up keep Michael Bush in silver and black.

I really hope that is not the case. Primarily out of curiosity to see what he could do somewhere like Cincy, but also selfishly as an owner.

I think there are a bunch of guys potentially available to fill Bush's role next year, for a lot less than the franchise tag would cost, including Marshawn Lynch, BJGE, and Benson. The Giants are on the hook to pay Brandon Jacobs $4.4 million (+ a $500k roster bonus in March) next year, and based on how much we're seeing DJ Ware on the field in critical goal-line situations, he may be out there as well.

Lynch is almost certainly going to stay in Seattle. They are already working on a new deal. I think Benson is a realistic replacement for Bush, although I feel like Bush>Benson and Bush>>>BJGE. And yeah, Jacobs is a likely cap/attitude cut. He's be a nice compliment to McFadden. But none of these guys will be able to fill in if McFadden goes down the way Bush has. So Bush's worth is determined by if the Raiders see him as a complimentary back to McFadden or an insurance policy. Complimentary backs are a dime a dozen. Not so much on the latter.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Lisfranc injuries arent all the same. Saying lisfranc is basically marking where the injury is not so much what the injury is. Potential career ending lisfranc injuries are displaced fractures. Judging by the time in the boot and that there was no structural damage on the xray, he has a nondisplaced sprain. That injury does take a while to recover from but its hardly a career ender. Takes a good 6-8 weeks in a boot, a special shoe and PT for another few weeks and full activity in 3-4 months.

 

[jurb26]

Lisfranc injuries arent all the same. Saying lisfranc is basically marking where the injury is not so much what the injury is. Potential career ending lisfranc injuries are displaced fractures. Judging by the time in the boot and that there was no structural damage on the xray, he has a nondisplaced sprain. That injury does take a while to recover from but its hardly a career ender. Takes a good 6-8 weeks in a boot, a special shoe and PT for another few weeks and full activity in 3-4 months.

So he'll be done for the remainder of the year then?

 

[fruity pebbles]

Lisfranc injuries arent all the same. Saying lisfranc is basically marking where the injury is not so much what the injury is. Potential career ending lisfranc injuries are displaced fractures. Judging by the time in the boot and that there was no structural damage on the xray, he has a nondisplaced sprain. That injury does take a while to recover from but its hardly a career ender. Takes a good 6-8 weeks in a boot, a special shoe and PT for another few weeks and full activity in 3-4 months.

So he'll be done for the remainder of the year then?

Hard to tell with an athlete with constant PT and the best medical attention but i would think he is, yes. It does sound like a minor lisfranc sprain, he didn't need surgery, he was in a boot for only 4 weeks, walking without a limp 6 weeks in. That said big difference between walking and cutting at full force.

 

[az_prof]

I think there are a bunch of guys potentially available to fill Bush's role next year, for a lot less than the franchise tag would cost, including Marshawn Lynch, BJGE, and Benson. The Giants are on the hook to pay Brandon Jacobs $4.4 million (+ a $500k roster bonus in March) next year, and based on how much we're seeing DJ Ware on the field in critical goal-line situations, he may be out there as well.

Bush is better than all of those guys IMO.

 

[jurb26]

I think there are a bunch of guys potentially available to fill Bush's role next year, for a lot less than the franchise tag would cost, including Marshawn Lynch, BJGE, and Benson. The Giants are on the hook to pay Brandon Jacobs $4.4 million (+ a $500k roster bonus in March) next year, and based on how much we're seeing DJ Ware on the field in critical goal-line situations, he may be out there as well.

Bush is better than all of those guys IMO.

Do you really think so? Bush is a very capable back but he doesn't appear to be anything special. At the very least those guys are all in the same ball park if you ask me. I'd be inclined to say that Lynch is the best of them but it's close.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I think there are a bunch of guys potentially available to fill Bush's role next year, for a lot less than the franchise tag would cost, including Marshawn Lynch, BJGE, and Benson. The Giants are on the hook to pay Brandon Jacobs $4.4 million (+ a $500k roster bonus in March) next year, and based on how much we're seeing DJ Ware on the field in critical goal-line situations, he may be out there as well.

Bush is better than all of those guys IMO.

Do you really think so? Bush is a very capable back but he doesn't appear to be anything special. At the very least those guys are all in the same ball park if you ask me. I'd be inclined to say that Lynch is the best of them but it's close.

I'm inclined to agree with the previous post. Bush is better than all of them. The Raiders have had injuries all along their line, and yet he's been able to squeeze through tight holes, set up blocks, and maximize his yardage better than all of those others on a more consistent basis. But he's getting worn down now as he's the bell cow and is facing stacked boxes. I can't emphasize enough the impact of losing playmaking receivers Ford and Moore. Bush's running lanes are night and day different with their absense. In any scenario, I'd much rather have Bush over any of the others mentioned including Lynch.

 

[gethugefast1]

Still beating a dead horse...

 

[FF Ninja]

Still beating a dead horse...

That one was 10 pages of speculation and "relax fellas, he'll be back soon" posts. This one is a more direct discussion of a specific injury. I'd be ok with the other thread disappearing.

 

[jim k]

Lisfranc injuries arent all the same. Saying lisfranc is basically marking where the injury is not so much what the injury is. Potential career ending lisfranc injuries are displaced fractures. Judging by the time in the boot and that there was no structural damage on the xray, he has a nondisplaced sprain. That injury does take a while to recover from but its hardly a career ender. Takes a good 6-8 weeks in a boot, a special shoe and PT for another few weeks and full activity in 3-4 months.

This is an important distinction. If McFadden eventually has to surgery to hold the foot in place that is very bad for his dynasty prospects. If the top part of the foot bonds back to the foot naturally then that is very good news for his dynasty prospects.

 

[elbowrm]

But is Bush better enough to justify the franchise tag, which would cost, according to wikipedia, $8.2 million for the year?

Franchise tag

 

[Steed]

Lisfranc injuries arent all the same. Saying lisfranc is basically marking where the injury is not so much what the injury is. Potential career ending lisfranc injuries are displaced fractures. Judging by the time in the boot and that there was no structural damage on the xray, he has a nondisplaced sprain. That injury does take a while to recover from but its hardly a career ender. Takes a good 6-8 weeks in a boot, a special shoe and PT for another few weeks and full activity in 3-4 months.

This is an important distinction. If McFadden eventually has to surgery to hold the foot in place that is very bad for his dynasty prospects. If the top part of the foot bonds back to the foot naturally then that is very good news for his dynasty prospects.

He woulda had the surgery by now if it was fractured. Schaub just had his done. Plenty of guys have bounced back from sprains so no need to be an alarmist like your first post. Bryan Westbrook had a career season a season removed from a lisfranc sprain.

 

[Amused to Death]

Still beating a dead horse...

That one was 10 pages of speculation and "relax fellas, he'll be back soon" posts. This one is a more direct discussion of a specific injury. I'd be ok with the other thread disappearing.

The original thread became useless for any updated information. Thanks for the new thread jimk.

 

[Dought Man]

Looking more and more likely that the team will pony up keep Michael Bush in silver and black.

I agree. But he'll be 28 next year. The only dough he gets will be the franchise tag, and we can say goodbye to Mr. Seymour. Bush is going to be another in a long line of RB's that never get that career payday.

I imagine Bush would consider it a very nice payday if he got franchised. About the same he'd get on the open market.

 

[Amused to Death]

Looking more and more likely that the team will pony up keep Michael Bush in silver and black.

I agree. But he'll be 28 next year. The only dough he gets will be the franchise tag, and we can say goodbye to Mr. Seymour. Bush is going to be another in a long line of RB's that never get that career payday.

I imagine Bush would consider it a very nice payday if he got franchised. About the same he'd get on the open market.

For one year. On the open market, a new deal would likely come with a big (guaranteed) signing bonus. That's why players don't like the tag.

 

[jim k]

Lisfranc injuries arent all the same. Saying lisfranc is basically marking where the injury is not so much what the injury is. Potential career ending lisfranc injuries are displaced fractures. Judging by the time in the boot and that there was no structural damage on the xray, he has a nondisplaced sprain. That injury does take a while to recover from but its hardly a career ender. Takes a good 6-8 weeks in a boot, a special shoe and PT for another few weeks and full activity in 3-4 months.

This is an important distinction. If McFadden eventually has to surgery to hold the foot in place that is very bad for his dynasty prospects. If the top part of the foot bonds back to the foot naturally then that is very good news for his dynasty prospects.

He woulda had the surgery by now if it was fractured. Schaub just had his done. Plenty of guys have bounced back from sprains so no need to be an alarmist like your first post. Bryan Westbrook had a career season a season removed from a lisfranc sprain.

Agree with you completely.This whole thing just reminded me how Kansas City handled Larry Johnson's injury.

 

[TheFootballJesus]

I absolutely hate the Raiders for this. For Hue Jackson to try to equate a Lisfranc injury and a regular sprain....ugh. It's almost as if he wanted fantasy owners to hold on to DMC the entire season.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I absolutely hate the Raiders for this. For Hue Jackson to try to equate a Lisfranc injury and a regular sprain....ugh. It's almost as if he wanted fantasy owners to hold on to DMC the entire season.

It does remind me a little of the year Coughlin wouldn't IR Fred Taylor and kept acting like he was almost ready to come back.

 

[az_prof]

I absolutely hate the Raiders for this. For Hue Jackson to try to equate a Lisfranc injury and a regular sprain....ugh. It's almost as if he wanted fantasy owners to hold on to DMC the entire season.

There were people in the other thread who strongly suggested this might be lis franc based on the description as a "mid foot sprain," and that he might not be back in time for fantasy playoffs.

 

[King of the Wolfies]

hue jackson sucks. all season i've been holding onto hope that dmc would be back for the fantasy playoffs when it looks like that was never going to be the case. i hope hue never wins another football game. i thought that coaches werent allowed to lie about injuries?

 

[TheFootballJesus]

I absolutely hate the Raiders for this. For Hue Jackson to try to equate a Lisfranc injury and a regular sprain....ugh. It's almost as if he wanted fantasy owners to hold on to DMC the entire season.

There were people in the other thread who strongly suggested this might be lis franc based on the description as a "mid foot sprain," and that he might not be back in time for fantasy playoffs.

And there were people who insisted he'd be fine and back as early as week 11 or 12.I'd figured trusting the only source with actual access to his medical records was the way to go, but didn't count on them lying through omission. Teams have done it before though, so Ive only got myself to blame.

 

[N Zone]

I knew it. And that's why I traded him away long ago in one league but stuck with him in another. I will never draft him again or trade for him. The fact that the Raiders organization kept this a secret hurts my ff decision making.

 

[N Zone]

hue jackson sucks. all season i've been holding onto hope that dmc would be back for the fantasy playoffs when it looks like that was never going to be the case. i hope hue never wins another football game. i thought that coaches werent allowed to lie about injuries?

ditto

 

[elbowrm]

I don't know, owning McFadden and Bush has been my ticket to total points and playoff championships last year and the number 1 seed this year. i'll happily draft him again next year, in probalbly the sixth round, along with whomever is his backup in the ninth.

 

[chickenlittle]

I don't know, owning McFadden and Bush has been my ticket to total points and playoff championships last year and the number 1 seed this year. i'll happily draft him again next year, in probalbly the sixth round, along with whomever is his backup in the ninth.

McFadden won't last until the 6th round in any league, unless he still has not played by next pre-season

 

[Shutout]

Lisfranc injuries arent all the same. Saying lisfranc is basically marking where the injury is not so much what the injury is. Potential career ending lisfranc injuries are displaced fractures. Judging by the time in the boot and that there was no structural damage on the xray, he has a nondisplaced sprain. That injury does take a while to recover from but its hardly a career ender. Takes a good 6-8 weeks in a boot, a special shoe and PT for another few weeks and full activity in 3-4 months.

That sounds promising and simple enough but its not correct. A Lis Franc, by definition, is not a sprain. If the coach is correct in calling it a Lis Franc, the situation is much more serious.Check out the link for a nice, short, description. http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=A00162

A couple of things to take special notice from is:

1) The basic Non-surgical treatment calls for the foot to be in a boot and non-weight bearing for 6 weeks. That is right at where DMAC is (suggesting that it IS a Lis Franc). THen, you have along period of rehab (so DMAC is likely done this year).

2)Look at the very bottom of the link. It specifically mentions that sometimes athletes never recover from this type of injury because the injury is very susceptible to creating arthritis and sometimes requires a fusion procedure that limits the ability of the foot.

Someone mentioned that Westbrook had a career year a year after his injury. That actually happend over 18 months after the injury and there are quite a few RBs that never were the same. Not trying to bring gloom and doom but it seems the injury is worth looking at more seriously.

 

[gethugefast1]

I absolutely hate the Raiders for this. For Hue Jackson to try to equate a Lisfranc injury and a regular sprain....ugh. It's almost as if he wanted fantasy owners to hold on to DMC the entire season.

There were people in the other thread who strongly suggested this might be lis franc based on the description as a "mid foot sprain," and that he might not be back in time for fantasy playoffs.

From 'OTHER' thread...

roto has reported many blurbs the last few days that he is aiming for a week 15 return. ill file under believe when i see it.

LOL... My first thought after reading cynpoka's post:If it looks like Bullshizzz & smells like Bullshizzz & taste like Bullshizzz... it is Bullshizzz

 

[Lascelle]

I absolutely hate the Raiders for this. For Hue Jackson to try to equate a Lisfranc injury and a regular sprain....ugh. It's almost as if he wanted fantasy owners to hold on to DMC the entire season.

More like they wanted their deluded Raider faithful to continue to shell out for tickets and Run DMC merchandise under the mistaken expectation that he would be back shortly and they'd have no trouble making the playoffs.Thankfully the magical Tebow season has exposed them as dishonest frauds. And now their fans are well aware of it. Might as well come clean now and 'fess up on the actual extent of the injury.

 

[Drop]

Do McFadden's injuries make it seem like he has an overall bone density issue?

 

[fruity pebbles]

Lisfranc injuries arent all the same. Saying lisfranc is basically marking where the injury is not so much what the injury is. Potential career ending lisfranc injuries are displaced fractures. Judging by the time in the boot and that there was no structural damage on the xray, he has a nondisplaced sprain. That injury does take a while to recover from but its hardly a career ender. Takes a good 6-8 weeks in a boot, a special shoe and PT for another few weeks and full activity in 3-4 months.

That sounds promising and simple enough but its not correct. A Lis Franc, by definition, is not a sprain. If the coach is correct in calling it a Lis Franc, the situation is much more serious.Check out the link for a nice, short, description. http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=A00162

A couple of things to take special notice from is:

1) The basic Non-surgical treatment calls for the foot to be in a boot and non-weight bearing for 6 weeks. That is right at where DMAC is (suggesting that it IS a Lis Franc). THen, you have along period of rehab (so DMAC is likely done this year).

2)Look at the very bottom of the link. It specifically mentions that sometimes athletes never recover from this type of injury because the injury is very susceptible to creating arthritis and sometimes requires a fusion procedure that limits the ability of the foot.

Someone mentioned that Westbrook had a career year a year after his injury. That actually happend over 18 months after the injury and there are quite a few RBs that never were the same. Not trying to bring gloom and doom but it seems the injury is worth looking at more seriously.

A lisfranc injury can most certainly be a sprain, which by definition is a stretching or tearing of the ligaments. A simple sprain, no. Judging by what was said about the scans and the fact that he's out of the boot already, it was a nondisplaced sprain with no fractures or dislocations in the joint. As i said before, saying its a lisfranc is akin to saying someone has a knee injury. really doesn't tell you much other than where the injury is.

 

[need2know]

I keep hearing that he could be back this week. I guess we will know tomorrow. If hes not back in a limited capacity at practice I would think its another week at least. Oak is really struggling without him. Bush seems like hes wearing down and carson can't pass them to wins. Oak is done this year imo.

 

[jurb26]

I keep hearing that he could be back this week. I guess we will know tomorrow. If hes not back in a limited capacity at practice I would think its another week at least. Oak is really struggling without him. Bush seems like hes wearing down and carson can't pass them to wins. Oak is done this year imo.

At this point I think Oak has to really ask themselves if it's worth bringing him back at all. If it's going to set him back on his recovery and potential mean he isn't 100% for next year I think they have to shut him down.

 

[gethugefast1]

Darren McFadden - RB - Raiders

Coach Hue Jackson strongly reiterated Monday that Darren McFadden (foot) does not need surgery.

Lisfranc injuries can sometimes require surgery to fully heal, but Jackson insists McFadden doesn't need it. It's a small glimmer of light in an otherwise maddening situation. Jackson also admitted that he still has no idea when McFadden will be cleared to practice. We're expecting Michael Bush to start again in Week 15.

Related: Michael Bush

Source: Contra Costa Times

Dec 13 - 8:28 AM

Jackson says no surgery = out for year and needs surgery.

Book it. :IBTL:

 

[Shutout]

Lisfranc injuries arent all the same. Saying lisfranc is basically marking where the injury is not so much what the injury is. Potential career ending lisfranc injuries are displaced fractures. Judging by the time in the boot and that there was no structural damage on the xray, he has a nondisplaced sprain. That injury does take a while to recover from but its hardly a career ender. Takes a good 6-8 weeks in a boot, a special shoe and PT for another few weeks and full activity in 3-4 months.

That sounds promising and simple enough but its not correct. A Lis Franc, by definition, is not a sprain. If the coach is correct in calling it a Lis Franc, the situation is much more serious.Check out the link for a nice, short, description. http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=A00162

A couple of things to take special notice from is:

1) The basic Non-surgical treatment calls for the foot to be in a boot and non-weight bearing for 6 weeks. That is right at where DMAC is (suggesting that it IS a Lis Franc). THen, you have along period of rehab (so DMAC is likely done this year).

2)Look at the very bottom of the link. It specifically mentions that sometimes athletes never recover from this type of injury because the injury is very susceptible to creating arthritis and sometimes requires a fusion procedure that limits the ability of the foot.

Someone mentioned that Westbrook had a career year a year after his injury. That actually happend over 18 months after the injury and there are quite a few RBs that never were the same. Not trying to bring gloom and doom but it seems the injury is worth looking at more seriously.

A lisfranc injury can most certainly be a sprain, which by definition is a stretching or tearing of the ligaments. A simple sprain, no. Judging by what was said about the scans and the fact that he's out of the boot already, it was a nondisplaced sprain with no fractures or dislocations in the joint. As i said before, saying its a lisfranc is akin to saying someone has a knee injury. really doesn't tell you much other than where the injury is.

Split the frog hairs as fine as you want, what I'm saying is when a guy twists his ankle in the NFL, they call it a sprain or a tweak. For them to drop the word Lis franc AND the fact that he HAS been in a boot for 6 weeks strongly suggests that this was the typical, textbook Lis franc injury and now the only question is surgery required or no. Either way, mark it down, he's not playing again this year (and feel free to bump this and correct me if I'm wrong). I'm just suggesting that interested parties may want to research Lis franc because when you start throwing that word around, it suggests much more than a sprain. When is the last time you ever saw an NFL guy have a true sprain (even a high ankle one), and not even test it on a practice field for almost two months? In contrats, a Lis Franc necessitates in its recovery description everything we have seen DMAC do (boot for 6 weeks/minimal weight bearing/no stressing of it).

 

[fruity pebbles]

Lisfranc injuries arent all the same. Saying lisfranc is basically marking where the injury is not so much what the injury is. Potential career ending lisfranc injuries are displaced fractures. Judging by the time in the boot and that there was no structural damage on the xray, he has a nondisplaced sprain. That injury does take a while to recover from but its hardly a career ender. Takes a good 6-8 weeks in a boot, a special shoe and PT for another few weeks and full activity in 3-4 months.

That sounds promising and simple enough but its not correct. A Lis Franc, by definition, is not a sprain. If the coach is correct in calling it a Lis Franc, the situation is much more serious.Check out the link for a nice, short, description. http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=A00162

A couple of things to take special notice from is:

1) The basic Non-surgical treatment calls for the foot to be in a boot and non-weight bearing for 6 weeks. That is right at where DMAC is (suggesting that it IS a Lis Franc). THen, you have along period of rehab (so DMAC is likely done this year).

2)Look at the very bottom of the link. It specifically mentions that sometimes athletes never recover from this type of injury because the injury is very susceptible to creating arthritis and sometimes requires a fusion procedure that limits the ability of the foot.

Someone mentioned that Westbrook had a career year a year after his injury. That actually happend over 18 months after the injury and there are quite a few RBs that never were the same. Not trying to bring gloom and doom but it seems the injury is worth looking at more seriously.

A lisfranc injury can most certainly be a sprain, which by definition is a stretching or tearing of the ligaments. A simple sprain, no. Judging by what was said about the scans and the fact that he's out of the boot already, it was a nondisplaced sprain with no fractures or dislocations in the joint. As i said before, saying its a lisfranc is akin to saying someone has a knee injury. really doesn't tell you much other than where the injury is.

Split the frog hairs as fine as you want, what I'm saying is when a guy twists his ankle in the NFL, they call it a sprain or a tweak. For them to drop the word Lis franc AND the fact that he HAS been in a boot for 6 weeks strongly suggests that this was the typical, textbook Lis franc injury and now the only question is surgery required or no. Either way, mark it down, he's not playing again this year (and feel free to bump this and correct me if I'm wrong). I'm just suggesting that interested parties may want to research Lis franc because when you start throwing that word around, it suggests much more than a sprain. When is the last time you ever saw an NFL guy have a true sprain (even a high ankle one), and not even test it on a practice field for almost two months? In contrats, a Lis Franc necessitates in its recovery description everything we have seen DMAC do (boot for 6 weeks/minimal weight bearing/no stressing of it).

Who's splitting hairs? You said a lisfranc by definition is a fracture, not a sprain and thats just flat out wrong. I mean you can paint a worst case scenario if you want but judging by what we've seen in his treatment, its pretty clear what it is. A ligament tear in the lisfranc joint takes a long time to recover from compared to other joint sprains. Average recovery time is 3-4 months. If he needed surgery he would have had it already. The scans reportedly showed no fractures or dislocations so whats surgery going to fix exactly? Unless the Raiders are lying about the extent of the injury which is always a possibility but doesnt look like it given he's walking around already. Just a time thing in how long it takes the ligaments to heal. I already said i didn't think he'd be back this year.

 

[Dought Man]

185/3 this week. Mark it.

 

[TheFootballJesus]

From article on yahoo.

"A Lisfranc injury is a rare injury to a joint in the center region of the foot. So that part is correct. It is a mid-foot injury; however, it is more severe in that it is a fracture of the midfoot bones and/or disruption of the midfoot ligaments, and takes longer to recover.

This injury is highly debilitating for an athlete who depends on their lower extremities for so much of their athletic performance, and can take the player out for the entire season and even end careers."

 

[Scooby1974]

I keep hearing that he could be back this week. I guess we will know tomorrow. If hes not back in a limited capacity at practice I would think its another week at least. Oak is really struggling without him. Bush seems like hes wearing down and carson can't pass them to wins. Oak is done this year imo.

I haven't seen any Raider's games. I curious as to why you are saying Bush is wearing down? I was actually surprised to see nearly 80 yards rushing and a TD in a blowout loss to the Packers. Sush is the #9 ranked RB in scoring over the last 4 weeks in my pay league. The bigger issue to me is an anemic passing game with injured WR's and a Defense that isn't doing much to get the Offense back on the field.